adywan

Kurgan said:

Cool. Can someone post some comparison shots for ESB and ROTJ?

How about some shots comparing Wookieegroomer's HD-DVD edition to Adywan's blu-ray?

Thanks in advance

There are no comparison shots for ESB or ROTJ because i ahven't even done them yet. i've only just finished colour correcting ANH. the others will be months away yet

Ziz said:

Idea for the Walker red eye/window issue - instead of erasing the red from the outside or tinting the whole cockpit red on the inside...meet it halfway.

Tint just the window red on the inside.  Put some numbers, meters, gauges and such around the edges so that it becomes a red navigation/targeting/HUD type of display.  It's still a window, just with this red image/data being projected onto it.  If you really want to get picky, make a hint of red light spill on the AT-AT drivers in the wider cockpit shots where you can see them from the front.

ok. heres my reasoning why i will be erasing the red cockpit window from the AT-AT.

Its only in 1 shot and it is only 1 AT-AT that has this colour cockpit. to keep the red cockpit in the lead AT-AT i would have to either add a red display to the inside or some form of red lighting. this means that i have to do work on many shots , recolouring or adding FX that really don't need to be done. Why would i want to give myself more work to do by adding all this when i can just erase 1 red cockpit from 1 shot?

The red window will be going.

The Golden Idol said:

ladyferry said:

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Ady, regarding the request of Yoda's facial expression, why not try out a sample scene just for the hell of it to see how it would work out. You could do a split screen and show the difference. It would be interesting to see how it would look. If the effect isn't distracting it just might work.

 

 Like TOTALLY! (oops, do I sound like some valley girl or what?)

 

 Yes, please do this!

I might just do this once i have finished the colour correction. I can't wait for that part to be finished. i have so many things i want to try out

Darrell Kaiser said:

It just doesn't match with the rest of the series! All of them end with a shot of the characters.

But that's what i love about ESB. It is different. A lot of sequels are just rehashes of the original, but Empire was fresh. The whole ending with the characters became overused in my opinion

I'm only doing minor tweaks to these releases. Most of them will be closer to the theatrical SE releases than they appear now (apart from Han being the only one that shoots), so replacing the new with the old emperor and replacing Hayden. If i can get hold of the TPM laserdisc then i will be doing the theatrical version of TPM instead of the DVD version we have now. but removing things like Jedi Rocks i will leave to my Revisited edits

onto the debate about the size of tvs then i have to join in this

"Size matters not"... well a lot of times it doesn't. having a bigger screen doe not mean that the picture is better. in fact a larger screen could possibly introduce artefacts that aren't even there on the blu-ray/ AVCHD in the first place, and the same goes for smaller TV's. It all has to do with the quality of the panel (how much you paid for it or the manufacturer has nothing to do with it) many LCD's over 40" are using 8 or even 6 bit screens whereas other smaller ones are using 10 + bit. this does make a difference. colours just don't blend as well and even though you would be going through HDMi/digital connections the panel displays what looks like artefacts & fringing, that makes it look like compression problems, when in fact its not the case. if you have a 10+bit 32" LCD and a 60" 8 bit panel then the 32" is the one that would win every time as that is displaying closer to the original source than the 60" one. i never judge the quality of something just by the size of it there are so many other factors that have to go into consideration with TV's before the true quality of something can be argued

Darrell Kaiser said:

Adywan, any chance you could end the film with Luke, Leia, 3P0 and R2 looking at the window? I did an example edit of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbaup8Kd-Gk

Nice idea but i like the way it ends originally too much too so i won't be changing it.

Comparison screenshots for Episode IV have now been added to the first page

GoodMusician said:

We really need to compile a list of already asked questions... this is getting rediculous...

I'll see if i can get a list sorted out with answers to the suggestions that have been put forward so far which will make things a lot easier. Give me a few days

i have to say that that trailer for the series looks 100 x better than the movie. it was nice to hear some OT music in there. based on that trailer i'm going to give the series a chance but i could never sit through the movie ever again

Sevb32 said:

It's looking like I will never get my C3PO "chin skin showing fixed" question answered until the edit is out!;)!!

I answered your question a long time ago. it will be fixed

ladyferry said:

Adywan, I can't remember if anyone has asked this but will you be tweaking/animating Yoda's facial expressions like the aliens in S.W.R? and adding a few more insects and froggy things in the Dagobah swamp?

i haven't decided yet but i would probably say no to adding any tweaks to Yoda. The puppet looks great to me.

The Griff said:

I'm very eager for this project to come to fruition. Been waiting for those promised screenshots for a while now!

yeh, sorry about that. there have been a few problems with the colour correction so i've held back with the screenshots until i've sorted it out

RoccondilRinon said:

The only things that need an update tweak are the displays

On this subject I was wondering if you had any plans for the display in the Millennium Falcon when Han first mentions Lando. As it is we only see a glow reflected on the characters' faces. It's not exactly necessary in my mind but I don't think it would hurt — any thoughts?

No, i don't think that we need to see a display at that point so i won't be adding one. Some things are best left for your imagination to do the work. Things were over explained in the PT which really hurt the films and i don't want to go down that route for the Revisited edits.

Well i'm recovering from last nights party. Had a great time but the Darth Vader suit wasn't a good idea. Just way to hot and restricting. i'm gutted that no one seemed to have brought a camera with them though and the 2 shots the wife too on her phone were just too dark to see anything. the thing is the suit got slightly damaged during the night (plus i ran out of time to complete the costume so a few things were missing). But i'm going to repair it this week and i'll post some pics when its done

vbangle said:

nohandluke said:

Nothing about the 1980 version of Empire Strikes Back sucked. It was a seminal moment in film history where everything came together in the end in complete narrative and aesthetic synergy. There are only a handful of films that can boast such perfection (e.g. Lawrence of Arabia) At the end of the day, were there a proper anamorphic DVD transfer of this original 1980 version, there would be no need for Adywan to even work on this film. As it is however, sadly, there is no proper DVD and hence Adywan must take a not-so-special edition and make it special so we can have something that is presentable on a modern home theater.

Whether you like the prequels or not, I believe it is very shortsighted to declare that simply because something is 28 years old means it must be updated and changed. At its very essence, Empire Strikes Back is THE ONE AND ONLY Star Wars film that did work seamlessly right out of the gate. The film was the product of a courageous script, brilliantly directed and produced with groundbreaking effort and convention-breaking choices.

Star Wars, while a narrative success certainly, suffered from the compromised budget that left many of its optical effects lagging far short of intentions (which Ady has now admirably corrected). Return of the Jedi was always only one-third the movie it was originally intended to be, and the special edition only complicated the matter. Phantom Menace was a racehorse that tripped out of the gate and limped around the track. Attack of the Clones was, aside from 10 minutes in the middle, an insipid intelligence-insulting love farce. Revenge of the Sith was, in many ways, the most troubled and negligent film of them all - the one without any excuses and yet even after almost six hours of time in previous films to tell the story of Anakin Skywalker, the creators waited until the last 20 minutes of Sith to finally get around to the essential story in a series of truncated scenes tacked on to the end in wipes while blatantly ignoring major sections of established continuity and throwing those to the wind.

The Empire Strikes Back is the only film without either fatal narrative flaws or compromising technical errors. It is "Star Wars" fully realized and the way it was originally intended, no matter what revisionist history you believe. So, if spaceship interiors a movie make, then have at it. For me, there's nothing wrong with the ship interiors, they look amazing - and probably because like every other single element of Empire Strikes Back, they all service the story and not the other way around.

Ady, my apologies for waxing poetic about this in your thread. Feel free to delete at your leisure if this offends you.

If I was a betting man I would lay odds that Adywan agrees with everything you said.....I sure do.

Once again you put to words what the majority of us feel. Props to you my friend.

 

Well you would have won that bet. ESB is the best movie out of the whole saga, one of the very few sequels that actually surpasses its predecessor. I remember seeing it on opening day when i was 13 and i was mesmerized by it. It was as if star wars had matured just as i was at the time. While Star Wars was a great movie that changed my life i felt after walking out of that theatre that ESB was now my favourite film of all time. If Empire was this good compared to ANH then i just couldn't wait for Jedi (boy was i disappointed 3 years later)

negative1 said:

if this movie is so great, why DON'T YOU OWN IT? am i the first person to come onto

this board, that actually was bothered enough to get it? and by the way, i'm desperately

trying to get the other reels of 'Star Wars' too... which are much more important to me,

and i THINK TO ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS BEEN TO THIS BOARD...............

 

where do you come off, on being the all-knowing, all-speaking voice for supposedly

everyone here?

 

don't you think i have better things to do with my money and my time?

the only reason i'm sharing this stuff on this board, is because i'm tired of

waiting around for anyone to do anything about it..

 

if its that easy for a 'casual' fan such as myself to get this, what is everyone

else doing (and yes, i'm totally aware of all the restoration projects, and other

things going on, and am totally appreciate of what there is going on)..

 

if everyone would quit griping about there is NO HD, anamorphic versions of the

movies they liked, why don't they actually do something about it? i've been coming

to these boards for years, and i KNOW that there have been plenty of copies in

16mm, and 35mm of the trilogy on ebay several times (a 16mm version of empire

sold for twice what i paid for the 35mm version)..........

 

are you telling me that nobody has bothered to acquire a version that they are

willing to share with the community up until now??????? i find it hard to believe,

but you seem to be telling me that is the case..

wow, you just insulted every member of OT.com. i can't believe you just said all that. Not everyone here has the type of funds to be able to buy a copy off ebay and get it transferred. i personally know someone who, 6 years ago, acquired a 35mm copy of the pre-SE  ROTJ that he tried to get transferred. he found a place that would do the transfer and then, when he handed over the first reel, the lot was confiscated and handed over to lucasfilm and was prosecuted for attempting to make a copy of a copyrighted movie. It cost him his home and job. As you have found out, its not easy to find somewhere that will touch the transfer process of a star wars movie and risk the wrath of the Lucasfilm lawyers. I admire what you are doing with your 35mm preservation but to insult everyone here like this is just plain wrong. Sometimes i think you just post stuff like this to be controversial and its beginning to get pretty tiresome, and not just to me either.

Jay said:

C3PX said:

negative1 said:

yeah, looks like pointless overkill to me..

i'm happy with animaniacs, and tiny toons..

You really like to go out of your way to go against the grain don't you?

He's a chronic thread crapper who can't help but express his complete disinterest in anything that doesn't appeal to him.

Everyone here has  their opinions about matters but sometimes it gets out of hand and takes the thread on a different path. I read every post and do take into consideration all the suggestions but i have to admit that this just made me laugh out loud:

negative1 said:

phantom menace was average, attack of the clones was decent, and revenge of the sith

was excellent to me, right up there with empire, and in my eyes will surpass it......

You are definitely in a minority there. ROTS is nowhere near as great as ESB. for one ESB doesn't contain anything that's as cringeworthy as the balcony scene. Empire has its flaws but nothing that compares to the flaws in the PT

s_tanje said:

DMaarten said:

cas_tanje said:

 

 

Hello guys, my first post here! :D

I have spoken to Adywan on Youtube, and asked him some things. Most of these were already added to the list, so there are only four things left that I would like to be added:

- Give the lightsaber duel a faster pace. (I didn't see it on the list?)
- Change the interior of the ships (on Hoth?) So they look more like the prequels
- Let the platforms of the ships (Where the people walk in and out the ship) go down more smoothly (In Cloud City etc.)
- Add more ships to Cloud City

Excuse me if they are already on the list. And Excuse me for my bad English, I hope you can understand me xD.

Cas_Tanje

My opinion:

1 not gonna happen, the fight is good as it is

2 not gonna happen, the interiors are fine, the prequels suck :)

3 like it, would be better if it is smoother faster

4 also good, since a LOT of people live/work there, just no overload, just a couple more here and there

 

 

 

1 - Oh common! Imagine how many better the fight will be! Why shouldn't adywan do that as he did with Obi vs. Vader in A New Hope?

It would also be better if he added some music as he did with ANH.

And the worst part is when Vader starts throwing things to Luke (with the force offcourse). It really looks fake!Those things won't hurt at that low speed. Maybe you can speed those things up?

Face it xD ! The fight just isn't spectacular anymore. In my opinion it really has to be a little pimped!

2 - It doesn't matter if the prequels suck, the OriginalTrilogy is the future of the PrequelTrilogy. The interiors look prehistoric, not futuristic. That's why they could use a good makeover. They just don't fit anymore in the chronologic order.

3 - Thank you :D !
4 - Thanks again :D xD!

 

 

So, Adywan/GoodMusician, please consider that you add these things to the list.

Cas_tanje

 

welcome to the boards Cas_Tanje.

1: I think the saber duel doesn't need anything doing to it. ANH needed something done to the duel to give it the faster pace but the vader/ Luke duels look fine to me. the boxes thrown at Luke would hurt at low speed. they are heavy objects. the speed of them means nothing. it doesn't need to be spectacular. Luke has only had a small amount of training and Vader isn't trying to kill his son

2:Everything in the OT is supposed to have that worn/old look to it. The PT shows the galaxy in a time before the Empire when everything looks new . when the Empire took charge times became hard for everyone. The only things that need an update tweak are the displays. The interiors are fine and the style of the OT interiors were used in the PT at the end of ROTS so they don't need updating

doubleofive said:

The XVID is PAL speed, isn't it?  That would make sense...

The ANH:R XVID was NTSC

Janskeet said:

Adywan, are you making an audio commentary about all the fixes and changes you made to the movies? Perhaps you could make a short video of you working on the movies?

I did consider it when working on ANH but i decided against it. I may do one once the OT:R section is finished, but its doubtful.

Josh said:

Adywan, If you need clouds to compostite, I have A Hi-Def Camera, I could get some for you to composite, like on Bespin (With a little croping of course!) Ya or Nay, Whaterver, I Shall do it anyways (yes I took these!) Tell me if they help!

i like those 2 skylines. these are the type of clouds i would need. i was thinking of trying to get hold of a 1080p camcorder to capture some moving clouds instead of using stills but its out of my price range, but would have been very beneficial to the edit for the cloud city scenes as you can tell where they try to animate still shots of th clouds. its just looks too fake. i guess i need to start saving. what camera do you have Josh?I have a canon 350d, which is a great digital SLR. i would love to see one of those pics in their natural resolution and uncompressed

nohandluke said:

Two quick observations for Ady if you're reading this - 1) Right before Han gives C-3PO "the finger" as they're trying to get the Falcon out of Echo Base the entire computer console prop shakes because he's leaning on it - Don't know if that has been mentioned before.

Secondly, in the opening shot of Echo Base where Han rides up to the cavernous entrance on the Tauntaun, I don't recall if it was an SE addition or an Ady addition, but the Rebel Soldier standing straight up and holding the gizmo near the turret - well, he kinda looks mannequin-like. I think it's his "stillness" and his pose. I know he's "moving" in the shot, but in the span of the footage at a glance, he kind of looks like a cardboard cutout.

Every other element in that shot looks perfect. The guy with the cannon control box just isn't meshing as well.

Just an observation - take it for what it's worth - which is very little, my friend. Very little. lol

 

nohandluke

Yeh i want to redo that whole FX shot of the Falcon going behind the cloud. As for the Echo base entrance, that was one i did. It was only a test shot and i want to replace the standing officer with one that has more motion.

GoodMusician said:

As for musical changes, the only thing I'd suggest is for the arrival at cloud city, there are two takes available of the music,. One with the choir mixed much louder and the instruments fucked up, and the one on the Anthology which is the film take. If you wanted more choir, I could mix the two easily... but its up to you... I dunno if the choir was meant to be heard that loudly.

I only have the Anthology version of the ESB soundtrack (apart from a few tracks from the SE CD) so i can't really comment on this i'm afraid

I won't be adding any music to the saber duels. it doesn't need it. that was one of the problems with the PT. Too much music, with a lot of it just re-used tracks.

As for the asteroid scene i will be recompositing most of it so a lot of tweaking for those scenes

Vadakin said:

This may have been answered already. If so then I apologise.

 

Are you going to fix the opening crawl? It's been a while since I watched Empire Strikes Back but I have a distinct memory of the crawl texts not being fully on the screen when it appears. I may just be remembering a fullscreen version and if that's the case then you can ignore this.

If I'm right though and you do plan on fixing it, it may be worthwhile doing it from scratch. You could just ignore it I suppose, but it's inconsistent with the crawls from the rest of the saga which either start out right on the edge or just inside.

If you do decide to redo the crawl from scratch, I may be able to help. I think I'm getting pretty good at creating these crawls.

On a related but slightly off topic note, I've read you aren't planning to do any more work on Star Wars Revisited, so I wanted to ask if it would be ok with you if I went back and fixed the crawl. I've noticed that the timing is off on it in Revisited. It would be just for me and I wouldn't try to upload and pass the whole thing off as my own, but I still wanted to check if it would be ok with you.

I hope it's ok for me to post links here. This is a rough version of what I have in mind. I did it earlier today. It's not perfect, it was a quick 20 minute job:

http://www.vimeo.com/1589113

You may recognise the starfield...it's from Revisited. You can download the video from vimeo at the bottom of the page.

If you want I can try a version for The Empire Strikes Back.

 

 

The crawl for EPIV REVISITED doesn't need fixing. The timing was changed to have the crawl appear at the cue it was intended to appear and did appear before they added "A NEW HOPE". Ever since they added the episode number it screwed the music up. I always remember it appearing at that cue and hated it when it came in later with the Episode IV title. All Revisited edits will ahve the cue appear at that cue.  Also all the crawls are different. I won't be redoing any of the crawls for the OT. I like the individuality of each crawl so i won't be fixing anything apart from the timing of the appearence.

ladyferry said:

Adywan, have you thought of adding Hoth's moon at the beginning of the movie, and in the rebel ships escape/Imperial space attack sequence?

 

See this clip from Shadows Of The Empire:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTDPwowyn-c

I'm pretty sure that you don't see a moon in the movie so i won't be adding a moon. The EU doesn't exists to me and as i have said before if it doesn't appear or isn't referenced in any of the movies then i won't be adding it to the  Revisited saga.

I also won't be adding Luke & Leia's theme to this movie I'm afraid

i say keep the title "Clone Wars". forget about the new series having the same title. In my eyes, and from the looks of things, alot of other peoples eyes, the new movie/tv series doesn't exists anyway. this cartoon was far superior to the garbage Lucash is bringing out now. If the new movie is anything to go by i can see the 3D version fading out of existence. lol

This was the original Clone Wars so i think it should stay that way. :)

ok, i'm having a short break from making my Darth Vader costume for the kids party so i can finally reply to some of the posts:

ImperialFighter said:

an interesting idea but i won't be adding any TIEs until the Falcon escape scenes. Don't forget that Vader has tricked Lando into thinking that the Empire won't be taking over Cloud City at first. so seeing TIE's or other imperial ships would take this deception away.

I also won't be adding any imperial ships to any of the shots where Luke approaches Bespin. It's supposed to be a trap so i think Vader would have  ordered any ships to remain hidden.

ImperialFighter said:

I think that the Executor would probably be a lot further back from the blockade. I will be doing something with this shot, but i think that Hoth should still be in shot

also the idea of the ships shooting off into hyperspace (sorry i can't remember who suggested this) is a pretty good idea. i may include this. i also like the PSYCHO_DAYV's idea of one of the X-wings being destroyed to add to the peril of the escape, as it does look a bit too easy as it stands now.

Also i don't think the stardestroyers should be in any sort of formation in the Exector reveal scene.

But the shot where we see the full Executor for the first time, they have omitted the third stardestroyer in that shot as has been pointed out, so it will have to be fixed and the position of the stardestroyer underneath is wrong compared to the previous shot. they all have to be fixed.

Now as to the colouring of the Executor. the original Blue colour always looked best so i will be keeping it blue (just not as much as it is in the 2004 transfers). the TIE's on the other hand will have their colour changed to light grey/blue. the change in colour will be more explained in ROTJ:R when you will see that the death star TIE's are all grey, whereas the the stardestroyer TIEs will have the slight blue tint to them. But all this may change when i get around to the FX work. Recolouring things can look very fake so, because many of the shots in ESB have the TIEs as grey, if there are any colouring problems then they will have to go back to all being grey. i would rather have the bland grey look than a fake recolour job that looks like the recoloured black & white movies. even using overlays can cause a lot of problems due to the framing of the movies in the GOUT compared to that of the 2004 set. using the GOUT for many of the chase sequence just wouldn't be possible.

But after all i have to remind people that i'm not doing a restoration at all so the colouring does not have to be the same. This is a re-imagining of the saga. If i was doing it as a restoration then it would be of the OOT not the SE

Darth Lars said:

I noticed something with the color correction, in a few of the videos that were posted. I don't know if these were intended to be the final shots or if they have been corrected.

The hue of the Snowspeeder pilots costumes is not consistent between every shot. Some times, the costume is much too red. The real flight suit (pants) had a mid-orange hue with no shift towards red. The jacket should have largely the same orange hue as the pants (coveralls) but be only slightly less saturated, except on Dagobah where the jacket gets darker because it gets wet and dirty. If the jacket has a shift from orange, it is towards yellow.

See especially in the shot where Han arrives at Echo base after leaving Luke. Look first at the pilot that passes Han Solo and then at the pilots working on a snowspeeder. I noticed no such color problems in my OOT / laserdisc-RIP.

you have the 2004 transfers to thank for this. there isn't much i can do because trying to get the suits to match is throwing off the skin tones. same thing happened in ANH:R. i'll try and do something but i don't hold out too much hope.

The ION cannon blast will have a small tweak done to the FX but i agree that its not meant to destroy the ship, just disable it.

i see we are still on the subject of Bobas voice somewhat. I won't be keeping Morrison's voice. the whole delivery of the lines is BAD. the original sounds much better and more menacing. You have to remember that i will be doing the PT so the voice while wearing the amour for Jango will be changed. If he was this fearsome bounty hunter why would he wear a mask but have his voice unchanged? surely he would have some sport of voice modulator that would disguise hiw voice so no one knows his true identity, else why wear a mask in the first place?

now the asteroids... i think they look fine as they are. i always loved the look of them. they just need their original colouring restored and some re compositing, thats all.

Shadowman99, that's some good observation there. i need to fully view that sequence again before i can make any comments on this.

teharri, thanks for pointing out that shot in the DVD menus. I really want to use that, and most probably will be able to now because i have some real bad news....

it is going to be impossible to do the revisited saga in HD. I've been doing a lot of wok in FX testing (which i won't be showing since it looks fake) and because i will have to be using so much SD elements to create these edits, upscaling them to HD makes them stick out like a sore thumb. I just wouldn't be happy releasing anything that looks so inferior to what could be achieved by working in SD. I can't apologise enough but its a very difficult decision i had to make.

But i will still be doing the colour corrected SE trilogy though.

its most likely the equipment you are watching the PAL video on.  Its all to do with the way the NTSC TV (or video equipment) handles the PAL image so it can be viewed on a NTSC TV. The same type of thing (but not to such a degree) happens with  some PAL TV's with NTSC footage (mainly older CRT ones). Check a PAL source and an NTSC source DVD of the same movie on your PC and there is no difference. I have many DVD's that are both the NTSC & PAL versions.

Crygor64 said:

Hmm, another person telling me to go back to TFN.  Hmmm.  For the record I don't post on any other sites.  I guess that's why I'm not used to the pathetic, fanboy melodrama going on in this thread.

Adywan you are the perfect example of a hypocrite. You don't get it do you?

You complain about George's actions and yet your own fan film is nothing more than SW: The Extra Special Edition.  I have a suggestion for your ESB Edit.  More Wampas! How about 10 Wampas all attacking at once?  Maybe you could add another couple of dozen AT-ATs?  I'm sure GL is very proud of your work. Its done very much in the spirit of his own Special Edition. 

Also saying that people only like Clone Wars because it has the "Star Wars" tag is an ignorant generalization.

Again, I'm not defending the quality of the film.  I really am just laughing at the people who are outraged over a kids movie.  Its completely alright to hate this film just don't act like GL has slapped you in the face.

You willingly paid money to see something you probably knew you were going to hate.

And guess what?  If you saw the prequel trilogy and didn't like it, and yet you still went out to see Clone Wars....well not only is your opinion invalid but you probably shouldn't be complaining in the first place. 

 

I just can't believe, in a thread about The Clone Wars, you decide to attack my edit and myself to prove your point. Again you call my reasons for my edit into this argument, but failed to even bother finding out the reasons why i did it in the first place.  And also why people have grown to hate the SE. It isn't me who doesn't get it, it is you. It was a small way of saying "look George, its all now been done. stop messing with the OT and give us the originals we want", and was just a fun alternative to the SE, not a replacement.

you also showed that you haven't even bothered to read what i originally wrote, yet decide to go on the offensive. I DID NOT PAY TO SEE THIS MOVIE. I stated this clearly in my first post. The only reason i went to see it is because i was taking my daughters younger half sister , who is a huge Star Wars fan, because she asked me if i would take her. And again i said that i enjoyed the PT upon first viewing and i don't hate the PT, i just don't think its anywhere near as good as the OT, so please try and get things right before you post your attack.

If the story had been good then the crappy CG wouldn't have bothered me, but it wasn't.

This thing was made for TV for gods sake, but the powers that be decided to try and milk even more money out of the Star Wars fans. That's one of the reasons we are pissed about this movie.

now hopefully we can be a little more civilized towards each other.

And CO, you have pretty much summed it all up there

Since your little "fanboy jab was directed at me I'll just say this:

Your "Star Wars Revisited" is merely "Star Wars: The Extra Special Edition."  So by OT.com standards your opinion on this matter is invalid.  You are as bad as Lucas if not worse.  You know what would make Star Wars even better?  More Tie Fighters! (lol)

We need less childish drama over this kids movie.  Didn't like it?  Too bad. Stop acting like Lucas has slighted you personally.  Some of you just need to let it go. 

This isn't like Greedo shooting first.  This isn't the Prequel Trilogy.  Its a kids movie.  Its fun and incredibly stupid.  Some of you have forgotten how to experience joy.  Others are just too old for this shit.  Most people who saw the original SW in the theaters are at or over 40 years old.  That's your problem right there.  Well that and a complete lack of youthful imagination.

for gods sake, grow up and go back to TFN. it wasn't directed at you at all. Actually what you said was almost word for word from other sites so it was a generalised quote.  And just because i have done a fan edit of the SE doesn't make my opinion on the Clone Wars invalid at all. Maybe you should do some research about the edit and about me before your childish attacks. You have just proved you know nothing at all, which makes your comments a lot more invalid than mine ever could be. sheesh, i guess you were bottle fed.

You just don't get it do you. It has nothing to do with how old someone is. If i had become too old and have no youthful imagination then i wouldn't still like Star Wars would i? and i also wouldn't have like the original Clone Wars cartoon either or anything else that specifically aimed at kids, but i do. This movie was horrendous , no matter how old you are. but there are still people out there that will say its good just because it has the tag "Star Wars" and will continue to defend any piece of crap that Lucas keeps on putting out. If this was good then i would have said that it was, but it wasn't and the majority of the world tend to agree.

And i probably have more "youthful imagination" as you call it than you ever could. and i did see it through a childs eyes: an 8 year old kid who loves Sci-Fi & Star Wars but hated the movie. And isn't the best critic for a movie aimed at kids is a child? enough said.

Well i succomed to my curiosoity and watched TCW. Now i am desperately hoping someone here can help me out with something......

HOW THE HELL CAN I ERASE THIS PIECE OF SHIT FROM MY MEMORY????

I've been a fan of Star Wars since 1977. The PT, though not of the same calibre as the OT, i still enjoyed seeing for the first time. But this... How the hell anyone can say this is good is beyond me.

This should have remained what it was meant to be and that is a TV cartoon series. Releasing 3 episodes strung together is an insult to Star Wars fans. So its supposed to be aimed at kids. So why not just keep it for the TV where the kids can watch it for free? Money, that's the only reason. Lets see.... kids tickets are usually half the price of adult ones so the parents then have to take their kids to the cinema and pay full price. Great, now more money is coming in. Well not from me. I'm just glad i didn't pay to have to sit through this abomination. The fanboy excuse of "see it through a child's eyes" is complete crap.Most  kids that were at the showing were restless and bored, some even leaving half way through. i have never seen this at any other Star Wars movie i have ever watched at the cinema.

What happened to the promise that the animation would "not be like anything we've seen before"? well i, for one, am glad we have never seen anything like it before because the animation was truly outdated. there was just no suspense in any part of the movie. All the battles, we knew who lives, so they became pointless and boring. Why keep flogging the clone wars to death? They could have done so much with an animated series without having to go over old ground.

Lucas screwed up with AOTC when we never got to see the clone wars, as he had promised, so we now get lumbered with this.

Call me a hater as much as you want, but know this before you generalise me.... i wasn't, until now.

Welcome, vadershamader.

things are progressing really slow now. too many things going on in my personal life at the moment, so sorry for the lack of any feedback & updates from me recently. After this month is over i will finally be able to get back into it all.

Kurgan said:

Not that it's any of my business of course, but I couldn't help noticing... Adywan, your kids are either adopted, or you're remarried... am I right? I did a double-take at first before I realized that had to be the case!

 

Edit: I see Darth Solo beat me to the punch!

 

yeh, my kids are from my first marriage

hopefully this may help you. they are the complete pre-ANH theatrical subtitles taken from Moth3rs bootleg xvid

Just a quick update:

another problem has hit. The rendered mkv looked great but while watching i noticed a problem that was to do with the master avi render. i'd enabled a temp layer in vegas and some wrong shots had been rendered , so back to square 1. i'm rendering the master avi now and the mkv should be finished by tomorrow. But i will post some screenshots a bit later.

i'm still here.  Its just been a mad couple of weeks for me. I've just finished the colour correction on ANH for my AVCHD project so i can get back to ESB now. I've also had a few internet connection problems, and this week i was struck down with a sickness bug. I've also been having to make my kids & my fancy dress costumes for the birthday bash we are having at the end of the month.Not good that my kids 16th, 18th & 21st birthdays have all fallen in the same year and within a couple of months of each other. I didn't plan that very well. Plus its my wifes 30th too so having a big party to celebrate.

It all happens at once

Looks like i have a lot of catching up to do and a lot of reading. So i'll try and reply to everything a bit  later