adywan

Janskeet said:

Adywan, why did you change the alderaan explosion? I liked the previous one better. You should've used this one. When you get to the ROTJ, please take out the celebrations outside of Endore. I don't want to be reminded of those. Of course, irt's your decsision, but I'm just warning you ahead of time I think a lot of fans here would like to see the extra celebrations on different planets at the end of ROTJ gone.

The explosion you mentioned is the same as the original in that youtube clip. the new one is much better. It more like a planet blowing up now. The original one in the SE was too much like the Death Star exploding. hell do you actually like anything about this edit? lol

Just because you don't like the end celebrations you really can't "warn" me that others don't. the only thing i hate about the celebrations is the "weessa free" line. I'm keeping the celebrations so you better stick to your 2006 GOUT if you don't like them because you'll hate my edit :)

digitalfreaknyc said:

 I've done my own PAL2NTSC projects as well so I know what I'm talking about.

How do you do your PAL2NTSC conversions then?

And shouldn't all this talk about my HD version be in the HD thread anyway? lol

digitalfreaknyc said:

adywan said:

i'm afraid you are totally incorrect there. Slowing it down does not create any extra artefacts at all. the encode is done at the 25fps speed and then the frame rate is changed only. No other encoding process is happening at all. so its impossibly for any extra artefacts to be there. And Europe does have 1080p braodcasts because the BBCHD channel broadcasts 1080p and not 1080i which is the more common.

 

 

 Please explain how you can take something that's captured at 25fps, slow it down and stretch it to 24fps and NOT include any artifacts?  Unless you're not doing the stretch, that would be impossible. 

you just change the framerate after the encode in the video information. its really easy and quick. you're only changing the information specs that the equipment reads to play it back and nothing else. its exactly the same encode right down to the last pixel. it plays back at the different frame rate. nothing else. the video is speeded up for PAL, with no extra frames added, so slowing it down to 24fps is easy. and with HD resolutions they are universal. its only when you come to DVD with the differences between PAL & NTSC that you have to re-encode the video, due to the horizontal lines being 480 for NTSC and 576 for PAL, but if you are working from a lossless master then they will still be the same

digitalfreaknyc said:

negative1 said:

 Actually, this is inaccurate.  There is no such thing as a 1080p broadcast.

Not in America.  That's why Adywan uses the German HDTV broadcast.

So he slowed it down to be 24fps?  That would introduce a host of other artifacts. 

 

man, you guys sure quote a lot, why don't we go over to original thread

here , and discuss it:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THE-STAR-WARS-SAGA-1080P-AVCHD-for-PS3-Blu-Ray-players-to-fit-on-a-DVD-9/topic/9536/

 

from the first post :

Disc 4:- A NEW HOPE - (basic colour correction)

Details:- 1080p True 24fps

AC3 5.1 English Dolby Digital Audio
Ac3 2.0 Directors commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
aC3 2.0 Alternate commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
Chapters
No menus
Greedo doesn't shoot

 

and yes, there are more soundtrack options added..

-------------------------------------------

there are 2 samples posted, download them, and see for yourself how

awesome they are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

later

-1

 

Man...I still can't believe you have those film prints and know so little about film. 

If they're the german broadcasts, they're in PAL.  PAL is sped up at 25fps.  If you slow something down from 25-24...that will introduce other artifacts that maybe YOU cannot see but others will. The question is whether they were sourced from NTSC or PAL broadcasts. 

i'm afraid you are totally incorrect there. Slowing it down does not create any extra artefacts at all. the encode is done at the 25fps speed and then the frame rate is changed only. No other encoding process is happening at all. so its impossibly for any extra artefacts to be there. And Europe does have 1080p braodcasts because the BBCHD channel broadcasts 1080p and not 1080i which is the more common.

ben_danger said:

ady, i read on another thread that apparantly on the 2004 release, that scenes during battles of people being shot were shortened as not to offend younger viewers. i wasnt aware of this, but have you restored any of these in your IV and V edits?

 

As far as i'm aware this only happened for EPIV and i restored those shots back into Revisted

Janskeet said:

Adywan, do your new HD ersions have better picture quality than you revisits? Obviously they do or you wouldn't have them separate. But to this day the best source of SW is the '04 DVDs right, all thius HD stuff isn't SW in True HD. It's artificial HD, because there is n way to truely get better picture quality from DVDs right?

Janskeet you really should read up on what HD is and that my HD versions are from a high quality HD broadcast in true 1080p HD and therefore NOT artificial HD at all. These have nothing to do with my revisited edit at all so any questions about the differences in picture quality between the two is irrelevant because they are 2 totally different movies so that is why there are 2 separate threads.

The best source is not the 2004 DVD's at all. You really need to read the thread before posting . you seem to be just posting for the hell of it sometimes and doing this will only get you put on peoples ignore list. I noticed you just made a new thread about where my HD thread has gone when its only a few posts below this one.

Edit: i guess you beat me too it negative1. lol

There was a couple of reasons i changed that shot. if you look at the left hand stardestroyer in the original its filmed at a different angle than the other one and towards the end of the shot it looks odd. also the way its filmed they look like they would collide later on as they head toward each other. plus when we see the falcon escape there are no stardestroyers in sight yet they are coming from the same place. so they now look like they are coming from the opposite side of the planet.

Janskeet said:

Did Adywan post his HD versions yet? I didn't see them at fanedit.org.

 

They won't be at fanedit.org because they are not a fanedit. they won't be posted in the newsgroups until tomorrow

I'm going to try one last encode before i release this. hopefully it will start appearing tomorrow evening. And, yes, the commentaries will still be on it. its just the alternate mix i have taken off and added the laserdisc track instead.

Well i wouldn't use Revisited as a colour match reference as i took some liberties with the colour (making the Death Star interiors grey and not the grey/Blue it should be. Even though the AVCHD i'm doing is closer to what it should be the 2004 transfer had so many colour problems that its impossible to get the perfect balance. With a colour correction taken direct from a print transfer it is best to start from scratch. The GOUT is not a source that should be used for reference. It has a red tint to it and this also has its own colour problems.

As for the throne room scene well the 2004 transfer crushed the blacks and a lot of detail was lost and impossible to recover, but here's a snapshot from my AVCHD that matches the one above:

As you can see the background detail has been lost but thats thanks to the transfer and not the colour correction. Nothing can be done about that though

ok a bit of an update. Things seem to be going ok now. I've added the laserdisc audio along with English & dutch  subs. Now the laserdisc audio is set as the main one and i have taken out the alternate audio mix, which i will explain why in a moment. The foreign subs i downloaded so i can't guarantee they are correct  and the timings may be slightly off because i had no way of checking them.

Ok the reason i put the laserdisc audio as the main one is that i have made a decision about which direction i am going with these AVCHDs to make them different to the ones already available. Well i have decided to make these the Theatrical versions and not the 2004 versions (apart from ANH because of removing Greedo shooting & a couple of other changes done in the 2004 transfer which i didn't replace.) So it makes sense that they will all have the laserdisc audio as the main because these (i think) were closer  to the original  theatrical audio, if not the actual theatrical mix. All apart from AOTC & ROTS because there were no laserdiscs of these. So that means that ESB will have the original Emperor returned, ROTJ will have Sebastian Shaw replacing Hayden and the Naboo shot will be removed, and TPM will also be the theatrical version with the laserdisc audio. Now i decided to take out the alternate mix because i won't be doing one for the others and i want to keep this set as consistent as possible. also the glitch seemed to be with the audio and not the video. Now the laserdisc audio hasn't got such a great surround sound as the 2004 mix

So i will update the first post with the new specs as soon as i can

gavin77 said:

Ok.....what is Ady up too. I think he's been sneaking around and doing tons of work on this project, and we're going to get tons of amazing clips and stuff very soon......I can just feel it......great idea by the way *8.......peace....

I'm afraid not. no clips for a while. i'm still working on my EPIV AVCHD. I won't be starting work again on Empire until later this week

negative1 said:

i hope you got the link to the uncorrected scans i posted..i sent you a pm..

yeh just sent you a reply

well you know when you get that feeling you wish you'd never started something? Well i have that now. I've just sat through the AVCHD and there are glitches on the video and audio that aren't there in the original masters. I'm not going to bother doing another encode so i'm just going to switch back to my first encode, even though it now doesn't fill up the whole disc. the quality is exactly the same. so i'm going to add an extra audio track which will be the untouched laserdisc SE 5.1. so it probably won't be until later today that i start posting

EPIV will be going up in the next few hours. here's a sample to tide you over. I haven't included the commentaries on the sample but you will be able to get an idea of the new sound mix

EpIV 1080p sample

you can just stick it on a memory stick or external hard drive and play it on the PS3

Negative1 is there any chance you could post a couple of untouched Hi-res shots (no colour correction etc) at all? I would like to try something with the colouring if possible

no it only has the hardcoded English subtitles for Greedo & Jabba parts

negative1 said:

actually as far as the commentary goes... , it was pretty funky...but the word is 'defunct'

Ah well. I guess thats what happens when i have no sleep working on 2 projects at once. lol

Would anyone be able to torrent this AVCHD version at all? If Negative1 is torrenting the HD-DVD version then it would be great if someone can cover the original AVCHD version for a torrent.

thanks

yeh, it will be going up in alt.binaries.starwars

i've just done a test AVCHD and it looks great on my 42" 1080p TV. The encode came in a bit smaller than i had anticipated so i'm going to do a second encode and up the bitrate, although having checked the first one side by side with the master lossless avi there are no compression artefacts visible. it looks exactly the same. there is some very minor video noise in places but that is down to the colour correction and couldn't be avoided.

I'm working on the Main audio right now. so far the specs for EPIV are this:

1080p True 24fps Video
AC3 5.1 640kbps English audio, a new audio mix so no reversed rear channels
Directors commentaries
Alternate commentaries from the now defunked DVD-ROM website
Greedo doesn't shoot!!!!

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Hey guys, I don't believe this shot has been mentioned (I checked the suggestion terminal)...

The camera pulls back and is suppose to be stationary, but it jerks around quite a bit.

yeh its motion isn't too smooth. I'm going to try and do something about this

As for the Emperors eyes, i won't be doing anything like that to them.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Will you be torrenting as well, for those who don't "do" newsgroups?

no. I never use torrents because my ISP throttles torrents so the speed is unbearably slow. at least with newsgroups you can use your full connection speed

GoldStone9 said:

Thanks!!!! :)

I am sorry, but just for clarification, is the MKV you are making, is it the "THE STAR WARS SAGA" edition or WookieGrammar's?

because after actually (doy) reading this thread, I rather get your "THE STAR WARS SAGA" color corrected with added comentary version in mkv format.

Evidence: http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5484/epivhdcompay7.jpg

:)

The Mkv i am rendering now is my version with the colour correction and a few tweaks and has nothing to do with the Wookiegroomer editions at all. They are stright from the original high quality HD broadcasts. The mkv will be used for the AVCHD. I won't be releasing it as a straight mkv

Savage said:

Just to clarify: did you do any additional rotoscoping of the lightsabers/laser blasts for this release?  You made mention of it before, but I'm not quite sure if you went ahead with it.

I did a few tweaks to Luke Lighsaber to make it blue aboard the Falcon, and fixed a couple of shots during the duel where Obi-Wan's lightsaber turned purple, but apart from these and the colour correction, i decided against any other tweaks

The shuttle is one thing i always intended on changing. it just looked wrong to me that the shuttle would look exactly the same as a TIE bomber

I'm encoding the mkv now and that should be finishd by later today. If all goes well ANH should be appearing in newsgroups this weekend

Mielr said:

The HD broadcasts are 16:9, right? I was watching ANH on Spike TV last night, (the standard def version) and it was shown at 16:9. I noticed that the 2nd-to-last shot had to be panned&scanned (Luke was almost totally cut off on the left until they panned over to him), but the very last shot they showed at 2.35:1 (?) 

No, they are 2.35:1, although there were some earlier broadcasts of the PT that were zoomed to 16:9