Some new colour comparison screenshots:
PaulisDead2221 said:Were there any distinctive changes made to the laserdisc track?, or was it simply synced up to the 2004 video?
I just synced it to the 2004 transfer & cut greedo shooting. nothing else was changed
doubleofive said:adywan said:well the colour correction on Empire is coming along nicely. Vaders saber is again red and not pink. The walls in Cloud City are no longer blue. But there are many shots where most of the colour information is almost gone. I've said it before, and i'll say it again: Whoever did the colour restoration on these movies needs to be shot. I'll post some more screenshots later
So are you just color correcting Vader's saber to be red, or are you going to go through and redo all of the sabers and laser blasts like you did with ANHR?
I'm recolouring the red for now, just for the AVCHD version, but for revisited i will be re-rotoscoping all the sabers
well the colour correction on Empire is coming along nicely. Vaders saber is again red and not pink. The walls in Cloud City are no longer blue. But there are many shots where most of the colour information is almost gone. I've said it before, and i'll say it again: Whoever did the colour restoration on these movies needs to be shot. I'll post some more screenshots later
Just tried connecting my HD box ard drive to my pc and it seems sky must have updated something since that programs last update because it no longer works. A strange thing too is that for some reason C4HD is encrypted even though its supposed to be a free to air channel. so i'm pretty much stuffed transfering it in HD at the moment :(
skyjedi2005 said:I mean seriously what is the budget for this show? Bargain Basement Dvd and vhs Like the Unauthorized star wars story, and the stars of star wars were able to get Hamill and Ford.
Even the god awful 1978 Star Wars holiday special cost a Million Dollars to make. I doubt this show costs that, lol.
Don't you realise that those videos were made up from existing interviews? They never got any of the main cast for any of those productions.
Bring back Star Wars was pretty fun. Even though it was on C4HD it wasn't actually in HD, which was a shame. God, Anthony Daniels really does think that he is the Star of the Star Wars saga. That guy is such an ass (and i know cuz i met him). All in all a good fun program.
Just saw this advertised on UK TV
Looks like it could be a good collection (although i'd probably only get the OT vehicles). the magazine looks pretty good too
Looks like i pissed off a Lucas fanboy over at demoniod. he he
I don't wish to complain, nice up BUT.......
I think the only person that should be allowed to do the edits should be george lucas himself.
When fans suddenly start deciding what THEY want in a particular version of the movie then it will lead endless uploads of what fans have decided should or should not be edited in or out.
What if i wanted this WITH the Han/Greedo shooting scene included, what gives you the right to decide that i can not see this?
This is the start of a slippery slope, adjust the colours fine but do not start editing movies to suit your own personal preferences.......leave that decision with the viewer.
I was 9 when i saw this movie in 1977 and been a fan ever since. like many people i thought the special editions had good and bad points to them but i would NEVER upload a copy cutting out the bits i didnt like!
Sorry to rant on....just my opinion....like i said anyway, thank for the upload. ;)
Well i've managed to get hold of a copy of TPM laserdisc from ebay, so that should be here within the next couple of weeks and i can start on the theatrical version of that soon.. These may be released out of order because the colour correction on Empire is a little more extensive because i will be using that for my Revisited edit. Luckily Jedi doesn't need much done to it at all as the colours don't suffer with the blue tint like the other OT ones.
bkev said:*facepalm*
Anyway, I don't see how Mark Hamill would want so much for a simple appearance. It's not like he's doing anything anyway; why not reunite with his fellow castmates? I'm sure they're still on good terms. Then again, it is kindof an inconvenience to fly across the globe; he lives in Malibu, was it?
He didn't have to travel anywhere as C4& JLC fly out to where the cast live
Spudz777 said:pjvader said:i apologise in advance for my crap upload speed :(
I'll join you as a seed. I was putting a torrent together when I saw this. However, I also have crap upload speed.
**EDIT** And now the real reason I checked back in this thread... For what it's worth, ImgBurn didn't give a good copy of the disc for this. I am the proud owner of a fairly expensive coaster. Nero6 seems to have worked fine, though.
You must have done something wrong because Imgburn was used to create the Iso file (you did select the .mds file when burning didn't you?). I have burned 2 copies so far from the image and i had no problems.
pjvader said:im putting a torrent up on demonoid if thats ok with ady if not just let me know
if u have an nfo or anything u want added to the text just ask
yeh the nfo was posted to a.b.starwars with the fileset. it has all the information i would like put with the torrent, if possible (the info on demonoid doesn't mention that the main audio is the laserdisc 5.1 mix, and not the crap 2004 mix, and that there are english and dutch subtitles too)
skyjedi2005 said:I remember hearing that Mark Hamill won't be on this show because they cannot pay his appearance fee.
Supposedly the dude behind the show wrote up on his blog about Mark being a has been actor and greedy.
I also read they want actors to go on the show for free. LOl good luck in that.
Plus since this is unofficial without Lucas consent i think Mark wants to be remain in Uncle George's good graces by declining to appear unless paid a considerable fee. Carrie on the other hand they probably won't have a hard time getting. Harrison won't do it period unless he is piad three times what they would have paid hamill.
They will probably get dave prowse, jeremy bulloch, and peter mayhew, and kenny baker.
Star Wars to me is the trio of Mark, Harrison, and Carrie. IF they cannot do that then this whole affair is pointless to me. The only reunion picture i have seen is a fake photoshop job of all the actors shot seperately.
And if they bring any of the prequel actors consider me a million miles away from this crap. Though i'm sure Hayden would not be hard to get since he'll be lucky to get another acting job in hollywood ever again after Revenge of the Sith and Jumper, and Attack of the Clones. Natalie won't do it unless the money for it would go to charity probably, and Ewan probably won't want to do it just because he hates the prequels. Sam Jackson whos Street Cred is absolutely destroyed would have no problem being on it.
There has already been a reunion. Maybe you should check out the AFI George Lucas tribute. they had a reunion of the main characters on that where they recreated the positioning on the throne room scene.
Apparently Mark Hamill wanted over £25,000 (about $50,000) for a brief appearance on the show, which is ridiculous. So far, from the advert, they have shown Carrie fisher, Billy Dee Williams, Warwick Davies, Kenny Baker, Dave prowse, Anthony Daniels & Peter Mayhew. No PT stuff whatsoever :)
Good thing about this one is that its on for 90 mins instead of the usual 60.
yeh, i'm recording BBSW on C4HD on sunday (have it all set up with sky+). I just wish i knew how to transfer if fom my SKYHD box to my pc in HD. any help?
Josh, if you are having problems with the forum software you need to post information about it in the bugs thread. if you are using Internet Explorer try using firefox instead. i'm using that and having no problems at all
Darth Mallwalker said:Never burned an avchd.iso before--should I be bothered with layer break position?
Use Imgburn to burn the iso. it will set the layer break for you
It's all complete now on alt.binaries.starwars.
enjoy :)
Gurida said:Hello everyone,
I discovered the episode 4 by adywan a while back, and just got news of this project. I have to say the screens of the 1st post are incredible and i'm looking foreward to seing this one. Also, i was wondering how close is the release of episode 5? I realize the magnitude of the works to be done, but mayne a general idea of when is known and would like to know aswell, so thanks to let me know.
I hope i'm not offending anyone or a rule by asking this, if so, please accept my apologies in advance.
welcome to the forum.
ESB:R is at least another year away yet, i'm afraid
Wookie Groomer said:My original 13GB Han Shoots first edition was already color corrected. What was wrong with it?
I have never said that there was anything wrong with your versions ever. I'm not sure why you have got so defensive. I prefer to use my own work for my edits and not rely on the work done by others (apart from the people who originally made the movie of course.) I haven't got your "han shoots first" version so i can't comment on the colour correction, but i think its always best to use the original source for an edit instead of a re-encode and thats why i decided to do my own correction.
Plus to quote your nfo for your "han shoots first" edition:
There is also some color de-saturation on this release because if you noticed, people that live in space shouldn't have sun burns! I took the liberty of knocking the color back a few notches so things should look a little more natural or subdued and "closer" to how they originally looked before it was revised in 2004 re-release. It's harder to restore color saturation with non-state of the art hardware then it is to fuck it up with state of the art hardware.
colour de-saturation isn't colour correction. the blue tint and the Pink reds will still be there. The reason i decided to continue this project after the AVCHD of your versions came out that i decided to colour correct the whole OT to make them different to yours and i did check your nfo for your Han shoots first " edition and it didn't mention that you had done any colour correction, so i continued with this project.
asterisk8 said:new guy here. I really enjoyed ANH:Revisited, which I've watched 3 times in the last week. I want to contribute in some way. I have an idea I'm still fleshing out. Hold for procrastination until such date as I can catch up with myself.
Anyway, I'm still working my way through all 122 pages of this mammoth thread, so apologies for repeating what may have already been dealt with, but I wanted to mention something I just noticed.
The few exterior shots of the Echo Base hangar door in the beginning could use a little fog obscuring the view into the hanger, and maybe some billowing out. Nothing major or obvious. Subtle. It's warmer inside the hanger, right? The interior shot of Han trotting in on his tauntaun has that misty quality of a warmer interior space that's open to the colder exterior. But the exterior shot immediately before it lacks realism because it lacks the high-to-low pressure movement of that water vapor. Even obscured behind adywan's excellent personnel restructuring, that extra bit of environmental effect would really help to sell this shot.
And thanks, adywan! Thanks for putting in all the hard work for those of us without the talent! Instead we can just sit around and catalogue our every whim for you to realize!
(Edit: I realize this would be harder in, for example, the shot of Threepio and R2 waiting for Luke. Or am I wrong in thinking the hanger is warmer than the outside? Or am I wrong in thinking that would create vapor billowing out of the hangar door? Maybe the temp. difference is not large enough.)
asterisk8 said:
adywan,
A couple issues regarding the Cloud City processing vane. You say, " As for the vane it is a bit of a design flaw. I think that Luke was supposed to have reached there through the long tunnel but they put the support pole in the wrong position on the matte which caused confusion."
I knew I'd seen a cutaway in a book somewhere, so I did some looking around and found this:
You can see that the long tunnel is actually a tram-tunnel probably intended to carry cargo back and forth from the city to the processing plant in the vane. The carbonite chamber is at the very top, and it seems to me that the lighted tube Luke walks through is all within the upper part of that vane, and not in the support arm. That should save you some trouble repainting the matte.
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Also, when Luke exits the tunnel, a large gate closes behind him, but when we see the same tunnel entrance from a different angle a few seconds later, the gate is open.
asterix8, some nice ideas here.
I had a look at the entrance shots to the hangar on Hoth and, if you look at the inside shots where you see the entrance (the one where Han returns on the Taun Taun and the other when the speeders return after finding Han & Luke) there seems to be quite a bit of vapour in the hangar. this could mean that the cold air is meeting the warm air inside the hangar therefore you probably wouldn't see any emerging outside of the hangar because the tempratuter is already close to the same by the doors as it is outside.
Now to Cloud city. one thing that always bugged me when i saw the cross-sections is where the carbon chamber is supposed to be. Now if you look quickly at the shot where Luke is about to enter the tunnel after knocking Vader off the ledge you can see he has just climbed down a ladder, so i guess that is where the carbon chamber is supposed to eb. The problem is that in the matte painting of the vane the dome at the top is just too small to house the chamber. that needs to be larger, so i'm going to do something about that
As for the gate being open, i never spotted that. thanks
That cloud city corridor was one of the worse FX additions done in the whole SE trilogy. Not only were the shadows transparent but the rotoscoping done on the character was really below par too. Thats one shot that really needs fixing
Darth Lars said:Ziz said:Tons O' Fun said:I can remember at the very end of Empire when all the Rebel ships are at the nebula at the end just before the credits, I can remember seeing them all jump to light speed just before the credits rolled.
We already covered that earlier in this thread. It never happened, it was just some people's imaginations feeding off of each other.
You are wrong.
The movie ended with a concentric wipe. The setting in space is replaced with the black background of the end credits.
The wipe gives the effect that the ships went to lightspeed - if you don't look close enough.
So, those who remember it, do remember it correctly, they just perceived it wrong to start with.Yes, this was covered before, and I did write the same explanation back then, but I see that several people did not get it. The wipe was (also) in the OOT. You can verify that for yourselves!
I would very much like the wipe to be restored in this edit.
The wipe may be very slightly different but it has never given the effect that the ships shoot off into hyperspace. people are remembering things the same way as they do about seeing luke missing with the grappling hook or seeing the Luke/biggs tatooine footage in the movie when it was in theatres.
Well work officially restarts on ESB:R tomorrow as my EPIV AVCHD is now done. I'm going to finish the last section of the colour correction then jump right into the FX work.
MoBiUs said:Screencaps of the changes ect would be nice. When people get it of course :)
There are no changes for EPIV (apart from taking out Greedo shooting first along with correcting & adding some colour to Lukes sabre). Just colour correction. Screencaps can be found on the first page
Problem solved. Going up now :)
can't connect to usnet for some reason. i need to constact giganews. please be patient. sorry it probably won't be started until later this evening now.
if it unpacked without errors then the file isn't corrupt. maybe its because its a wmv file and i'm not sure if the mac plays then (i don't have a mac but wmv is a microsoft codec). hopeful someone who has a mac will be able to tell you what player is best to use to play it.
Going up in alt.binaries.starwars in about an hour :)
digitalfreaknyc said:adywan said:digitalfreaknyc said:I've done my own PAL2NTSC projects as well so I know what I'm talking about.
How do you do your PAL2NTSC conversions then?
I use TPMGenc. You'd do a conversion from 25fps to 23.976 which has more of an effect visually than on the audio.
You're doubling frames to keep up with the correct speed.
The audio is totally fine.
Well that's why your getting artefacts then. TMPGenc isn't what you should be using if you want a high quality PAL2NTSC conversion. you should be adding any frames whatsoever and that's why it'll look bad. you want to manually change the framerrate in the files information only. no adding of frames. If i do a NTSC2PAL or a PAL2NTSC this is how i do it:
rip the DVD to one large file (no file splitting) using dvddecrypter. demux the audio & video seperately using the stream processing tab. make sure you select "demux" for each stream you want to rip separately . then load the VOB into virtualdubMod. then go to the "video>framerate" settings. change the framerate to 23.976 in these 2 sections: "source rate adjustment> click on "change to.." enter 23.976 then in "framerate conversion" click on "convert to fps" and again enter 23.976. now click on OK and close the box. Next got to "video>filters." ad the Resize filter. change the width to 720 and the height to 480 and filter mode needs to be changed to Lanczos3. now again click OK. now select your compression in the "video>compression section. i always use lagaryth lossless codec because its a lossless codec. it does produce a large file but you lose no quality whatsoever. now export the video. once this is done use a high quality Mpeg encoder like Procoder or CCE as these are the best out there.Remember to add the 2:3 pulldown when encoding for NTSC
to change the speed of your audio just load the AC3 file into Besweet , change the framerate from 25fps to 23.976 and export your audio to ac3. you get an almost exact copy and it plays at the correct NTSC speed. Now just load your new MPEG" & AC3 file into a DVD authoring program. Add your chapters and create a new DVD. you'll see that this way may be longer but the results produce a DVD that is almost the exact same quality as the original(if you are doing it do a DVD-5). if you are going to be adding it to a DVD-9 then the quality is as good as the original. no artefacts whatsoever if you ahve done all the steps correctly. in fact using a PAL DVD as a source for an NTSC conversion will probably give you better results than the actual NTSC DVD because this way it retains most of the detail of a PAL encode
Using TMPGenc to do a PAL2NTSC conversion is almost as bad as using a 1click program to do it. You can't expect to take short cuts and get quality results
