adywan

no i'm not using the HV encodes at all. They were taken from the sky broadcast which wasn't very good quality and had glitches. I gave up using them as a source at the beginning of the project. I'm using the original 16gb german broadcasts (i only need to get hold of AOTC & ROTS). x264 is a miles better compression format than MPEG2 so compressing them to a DVD-9 is an almost negligable quality drop than the originals and at least with the AVCHD's you don't have to stream them from the PC so you can watch them in 1080p instead of 1080i (which most HD video PC cards output)

darthflan said:

Was TPM ever broadcast in HD? What are you using as a source?

 

Looking forward to all 6!!

 

Flan

all 6 have been broadcast in HD

Deathcrow said:

adywan said:

Well a torrent file wouldn't be faster at all. For one my ISP throttles the hell out of torrents so you think rapidshare is slow, you want to see my crappy upload speed on torrents. It would take a week for someone to get a file this size (ok slightly over-egaggerated. lol). Plus if someone came to this site after a week or more and wanted to get the file it would be totally dependant on someone still seeding. Not really worth it for a clip. I haven't got a rapidshare account but i can still download at about 3-5 mbps, which is a lot faster than uploading a torrent.

Well, thats funny. Since a few weeks i only get max 30 KB/sec as a free user on rapidshare. I am currently at 73% and Opera estimates another 18 minutes to go (24 KB/sec currently).

damn, that is slow. i never get anything lower than 180kbps off rapidshare. what speed connection do you have?

Deathcrow said:

Hey Ady, thx for the teasers. But why do you put them on a commercial site like rapidshare? The speed is extremly slow for a free user and maybe not everyone has a premium account there. A quick torrent file would be so much faster and more convenient (but i guess - maybe - there are some people who dont have a bittorrent client yet?!).

Well a torrent file wouldn't be faster at all. For one my ISP throttles the hell out of torrents so you think rapidshare is slow, you want to see my crappy upload speed on torrents. It would take a week for someone to get a file this size (ok slightly over-egaggerated. lol). Plus if someone came to this site after a week or more and wanted to get the file it would be totally dependant on someone still seeding. Not really worth it for a clip. I haven't got a rapidshare account but i can still download at about 3-5 mbps, which is a lot faster than uploading a torrent.

ben_danger said:

the colouring is so much better and cleaner now!

 

in some shots where luke is trying to raise the x wing, he is stood facing the fog, so we see him against a grey foggy background.

 

how difficult would it be to have some more treelike background in the distance? i understand it is very foggy, but perhaps it may look more interesting if there was more depth. one thing i liked about SW:R was the additions that made you feel like you were watching the movie for the first time again. in some ways i wish i could reset my mind as if id never seen it just for that reaction all over again!

The one thing i have always loved about dagobah is that it always seemed mysterious. You never knew what was behind the fog. I think that adding in new background elements would totally take this feel away. The OT was great for letting your imagination run wild whereas the PT explained & showed us too much.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

regarding the clip, I think you did a fantastic job ADY!  However I don't remember yoda being that green in the OUT version of Empire.  I seem to remember him being a paler green.  Can you provide a shot from the OUT to compare with your work? It's probably just my imagination.

Yoda looked paler in the home video releases of the OT because the colouring of those are slightly off too, especially the GOUT. They have a brown / red tint to them. Skin tones have an orange tone to them. this causes green tones to be muted.  Just have a look at behind the scenes video and you'll see the true colour of Yoda. Plus don't forget this isn't a restoration so the colouring won't be exact to what it would have looked like in the theatres

And to answer your earlier question then i really wish that the colour correction could be done without all the masks and layers but it just isn't possible. there is too much missing colour information and the blue tint has screwed around with the existing colour so much that trying to eliminate the tint causes more problems. so unfortunately al the layers & masks are necessary.

Ok, here's an XVID version

Dagobah scene XVID

damn. i spend hours getting the video ready and encding it to keep it as high resolution & quality as possible without the filesize being too large and now everyone wants to watch it on youtube. lol. I give up. :)

But seriously, i would recommend getting the original file as youtube video is just too small & low quality to view it properly

Some good news (for the PT fans). I got my laserdisc of TPM yesterday so i can begin work on the theatrical version of this in the week. I haven't had chance to listen to the 5.1 track yet but i'll begin ripping it tomorrow and then begin the long editing process shortly after. This will probably be the next release.

Here's a new clip showing the final colour correction. It's a split screen comparison so you can see just how terrible the 2004 colours are. Its a mkv file with AC3 audio so make sure you have the correct codecs needed and its 100mb

Dagobah-Xwing rises scene sept 2008

TRIFORCE89 said:

Are there any problems if I were to use my TV as a monitor for my computer and watch the movie off of that (instead of a Blu-Ray player)?

You'll need a good dual core or quad core processor to be able to watch it using your pc without serious lagging. But if your processor can handle it then hook it up via DVI and using your TV will be fine.

doubleofive said:

So, Adywan, what has been your toughest shot to color correct so far?  And maybe could you do another Photoshop file showing all the layers just in your color correction?

Well i've only just begun the second phase of the colour correction but i would have to say that dagobah has been the biggest challenge so far. trying to get yoda his correct colouring, or even somehwere close, has been a nightmare but i've finally got Yoda looking the way i want him to. It took many, many masks & layers to try to rebuild the colour . I think this shot alone shows just how bad the colour is with the 2004 transfer

oh , Hotrod, i've had a good look at the footage and i've discovered that it isn't a snowflake on Chewies foot. It's actually Wookie dandruff :)

The problem with the 2004 5.1 mix had nothing to do with the age or elements used for the mix at all. If you listen to the 5.1 1997 mix that is on the laserdiscs you'll see that there is no problem with the mix. No reversed music rear channels, no fx coming out of the incorrect speakers, no difference in dialogue quality from shot to shot and no problems with the music being way too quiet or even missing in the mix.  Lucasfilm have spouted a lot of bull as to the reasons why the mix is bad (creative decisions , my ass). The main problem with the 2004 mix is that it was handed over to Ben Burtt who put his sound FX above all other elements, but couldn't even get that right. But Lucasfilm would not admit that there was a problem with the audio mix because it would have meant a very costly replacement program.

What really pisses me off is that Lucasfilm claim that they can't do a restoration of the theatrical version because the Oneg was cut up to make the special editions but then admit that they had to use some shots from a film print for the SE because the neg was too badly damaged. So why can't they just use a film print to restore the changed scenes? All we're being fed from them is total bullshit time and time again and when you get idiots saying that we should be happy with the horrific 2004 transfer of the SE then i just want to scream.

If we do ever get a bluray release of the trilogy i think it will only be the 2004 transfer with the messed up soundtrack and colours. i can't see Lucasfilm going back and fixing the transfer at all. Lucasfilm couldn't care less about what the fans want anymore as long as they're making money off us.

Well the first colour pass is now complete. And the final colour pass is about 20% finished. The Hoth battle is a nightmare to try and remove the blue tint yet keep the blue skys. lots of masking to do  so that's going to take weeks alone to do, so still a way off before i get to the FX work.

download the udf 2.50 driver from here:

windows xp udf 2.50 driver

 unzip the file and in the folder right click on thdudf.inf and select "install" from the menu. once installed restart your pc and you will be able to see the files on the mounted image. open up the BDMV >STREAM folder and play the .m2ts file with mediaplayer classic or vlcmediaplayer

hmm. not much info there at all.

So we all need to stop complaning? well after a google search i guess you are trying to say that we're all on a diet then cuz we're a bunch of fat b**tards then and need to stop.

COMPLAN

but seriously now, you really need to do some research on the problems with the DVD's before you tell us to stop complaining. then you will see what we're all on about before you tell us all that we should be happy with it.

so, if you purchased a newly built house that's supposed to be better than the one you live in and when you move in you find that the bathroom is in your living room, the water coming out of your taps is bright blue instead of clear and the building company makes changes that there when you originally paid for it and totally ruin the property, then you should be happy because you have a roof over your head then? Sheesh, some people have no mind of their own and just believe that because something is supposed to be better then it must be because the person who sold it them says so.

who is the more foolish? the fool or the fool who follows the fool?

kenkraly2007 said:

STOP COMPLANING ABOUT THE SETS PEOPLE.

Complaning? i don't think anyone here has ever done that. what is it? Sounds like it could be fun. :)

yeh, shouldn't this be in the "general star wars discussion" section?

darth_scourge said:

Looking very cool Master Ady! Though the sabers in those first shots still look skinny a la SE 97/2004. Will you beef them up a bit?

 

Did you say earlier in the thread that the reflections would be fixed in the "running to catch Han" scenes with the really small balcony outside? You could also raise the height of the balcony maybe to make it look like they wouldnt tumble over!

 

And yes bingo I think you're right, was a ring modulator! I had a mynocks suckin on my power cables (aka Fruit Bats) outside my window - noisy buggers!

 

 

i'll be re-rotoscoping all the sabers in revisited to give a more uniform width (they're all over the place at the moment, from skinny to fat)

And yes, that balcony shot will be getting a complete overhaul

Josh said:

So if you don't mind, what are your plans for the Battle of Hoth?

i haven't planned anything out yet. i need to finish the colour correction first

Ripplin said:

doubleofive said:

Spudz777 said:

I don't suppose there's any "official" cover art for this? I've gots lots of possibilities, but nothing that screams perfection...

As Ripplin points out, there are plenty of possiblities, but nothing can beat an original painting by the editor himself.

Hey, I don't remember if Ady has said he's doing paintings for ESB and/or ROTJ! Is that a possibility, Ady?

 

yes. The complete Revisited saga will have the official covers painted by me.

kenkraly2007 said:

Look I'm sorry but I am not complaning about the 2004 dvd releases like everybuddy else is. It's been 4 years since they came out stop complaning about them and be happy with the releases and not so nagitve.

But why should we be happy with a product that has so many problems? The sound is all messed up with the music in ANH coming from the wrong channels. Sound fx are coming from the incorrect speakers, The colour on ANH & ESB is beyond bad and is a joke. It was a rushed & botched set of DVD's but Lucasfilm deny that there is anything wrong with them even when the evidence is presented to them. They just spout crap like " it was a creative decision".

It may be 4 years since they originally came out but look just how many re-releases there have been. They released the original theatrical versions as a bonus disc so if we wanted them we had to buy the 2004 set again, but still no fixes. then it turns out that the Theatrical versions were lame ass laserdisc transfers that weren't even anamorphic so look terrible on a 16:9 tv.

I have spent a lot of money on Star Wars products since 1977 so i think i have the right to complain about the crap Lucasfilm is pushing at us now and i will continue to complain until Lucasfilm admit what an abortion the 2004 transfer is and fix the problems with the transfer and also release the pre SE theatrical versions in the highest quality of todays standards.

You may be happy with just how crappy the 2004 set is but you are certainly in the minority, and not just on this board.

doubleofive said:

You are changing them all to blue even though it seems intentional, right?  Continuity!

they will be blue for revisited but they won't be changed for the 1080p ESB AVCHD because thats how they appeared theatrically

Josh said:

Now that i think of it, why does it have a red/orange glow, was it ment like that, or an accident during post production?

i'm not sure but the stardestroyer engines in ESB don't have the blue glow they have in ANH and have a orange glow now too, so i guess it was intentional.

Double post.

Josh said:

YES! Nice!

Just a question, are you going to change the falcones engine to blue?

yes. That will happen in the FX clean-up stage. But even in the GOUT the engines are red/orange in many shots. heres one of the mate shots taken from the GOUT:

Bingowings said:

Loving the return of the white walls and the red Sith sabre Ady but I also noticed that the blue tint actually helped the Cloud City exterior shots (possibly because it created an illusion of natural sunlight and hid some of the thick matte lines) those shots seem to be the only ones which looked better (in thumbnail at least) on the dreaded DVD version than after your clean up.

Actually the exterior matte shots have ahd a very pink tint added to them and other exterior shots have been reddened, which makes them look terrible and totally un-natural. If you look at the sky in the matte shots of the 2004 transfer the sky has had all blue stripped from it. There is a lot of work to be done on this edit.