adywan

Kurgan said:

 

adywan said:

      

Kurgan said:

        I thought you said that the removal of color was due to the aging of the film and the crappy restoration jobs of the past...

    Well i have never said that anywhere. I'd love to know where you think i am supposed to ahve said that.

    I cannot locate the original posts, but I KNOW you've said before that the color information has been lost in some scenes (when you were talking about ANH revisited). People pointed out that some scenes look like black & white with color "pasted on." There are some shots where this is glaringly obvious, like the one where the TIE pilots follow Vader down that hallway to meet the Rebels.


Are you saying you just did this for stylistic reasons, not because of the loss of color information?

I thought you were talking about prior to the 2004 restoration because you said "of the past.." and it was after i posted the pics of the TIEs from the GOUT. Its almost 9am here now and i've been up for the past 24 hours working on this damn edit so my brain is pretty fried.

Kurgan said:

 

adywan said:

      

Kurgan said:

        I thought you said that the removal of color was due to the aging of the film and the crappy restoration jobs of the past...

    Well i have never said that anywhere. I'd love to know where you think i am supposed to ahve said that.

    I cannot locate the original posts, but I KNOW you've said before that the color information has been lost in some scenes (when you were talking about ANH revisited). People pointed out that some scenes look like black & white with color "pasted on." There are some shots where this is glaringly obvious, like the one where the TIE pilots follow Vader down that hallway to meet the Rebels.


Are you saying you just did this for stylistic reasons, not because of the loss of color information?

I thought you were talking about prior to the 2004 restoration because you said "of the past.." and it was after i posted the pics of the TIEs from the GOUT. Its almost 9am here now and i've been up for the past 24 hours working on this damn edit so my brain is pretty fried.

Kurgan said:

         Oh, okay, you took the 2004 edition and modified it to create a pseudo-1997 SE...  did you put Luke's "scream" back in there? ;)

Sounds like it's as much a fan edit as the "Classic Editions,"...

 

Fan edits and restorations are 2 separate things. A fan edit changes the movie where as a restoration returns it to its original state or , as in the laserdisc transfers, archives a movie that is only available on an obsolete format and transfers it to a modern day format in the best possible quality. The revisited saga is a fan edit, my AVCHD is a restoration. They even include their theatrical audio from the laserdiscs, so yes, Lukes scream is restored

I really need to end this now. I've spent so much time on this subject i'm exhausted now and lost time i should have been spending on the edit. :)

Kurgan said:

I didn't remove the pic, just resized it (hit refresh). It's one of several shots you can easily find with google image search from that show. You said before you wanted to tone down the blue, but still leave them blue, before. Then you said you wanted it gray after a few people seemed up for that idea... then when I mentioned it last time, you said you were making them blue and I'd just misunderstood. Now we're back to gray again?

Well for one i hadn't even started the colour correction on any of the FX scenes when i originally said that the TIEs would be blue. I was still planning what i was going to do. it wasn't until i saw what they look like blue that i made my final decision

Kurgan said:

I thought you said that the removal of color was due to the aging of the film and the crappy restoration jobs of the past...

Well i have never said that anywhere. I'd love to know where you think i am supposed to have said that.

Kurgan said:

I think you had the right idea with making all the TIEs blue. Why are you making them all gray in one version and all blue in another? Your HD edition is also a fan edit... I just don't understand the back & forth. Blue just looks better. Heck, even if you just left the TIEs as is (how they looked in 1980) that'd be cool. There's been nothing wrong with them all this time. To suddenly make them all gray just makes it more boring, visually. Gray TIEs next to gray asteroids, gray ISDs on a black background with white stars, chasing other gray objects. Yawn.

The HD version is a restoration of the theatrical SE and not a fan edit at all. I never liked the blue TIEs since ESB's release. The Revisited edits were started so i can get versions of the saga that i have always wanted to see ( not counting the the OUT of course), so removing blue TIEs fits into that perfectly. I toyed with the idea of keeping blue TIEs only due to nostalgia but after seeing the completed colour correction for those sequences i just didn't like them. If you find having grey TIEs boring then i'm not forcing you to watch it.Its not like i'm saying "This is the only version of the Star Wars saga that exists". I'm not George you know. :) This is just a fan edit. It's nothing special and not an official release. I'm getting more and more sympathetic towards George Lucas everyday. lol. Somedays i wish i'd never even done ANH:R

Kurgan said:

But you went and recolored the TIEs for the HD ESB, and now you're going to re-color (or desaturate) them again? And do the same for ROTJ? Look, I know you don't want to go back to ANH:R, but it sounds like you're saying you're locked into "consistency." But that's saying you're doing this to cover a mistake you made (in not making the TIEs in ANH blue to match the rest of the saga).

 

I can understand you hating blue because of the tints that Lowry Digital/Lucasfilm put in in 2004, but don't hate on the original TIE fighters for something those guys screwed up 24 years later!

yes i recoloured the TIEs for the restoration only. I have said this already. And i did not make a mistake by not colouring the TIEs blue in ANH at all. And i'm certainly not trying to cover anything by having the TIEs grey for consistency. It also has nothing to do with the 2004 restoration either. Check the pics i posted from the non restored version. Total screw up there. And another thing Lucasfilm screwed the colouring as they sent out a colour corrected version to Lowry, which was unthinkable as the colour correction should have been done after the restoration. They added the blue tint, not Lowry, which screwed the colouring up.

I guess we can add another to the lsit now:

The great probot/ meteor debate
The great green laser debate
The great TIE fighter blue / grey debate. lol

:)

Kurgan said:

Hey, I'm sure you can deal with a little constructive criticism. ;)

 

The Empire has millions of TIE Fighters... why do they have to all be the same color? The interceptors too?

If anything, you should be changing the ones in ANH to blue, for consistency's sake!

The less of the movie that looks like black & white, the better...

yeh but theres constructive critisism and then theres stuff like this:

Though honestly if he's the type who'd seriously decide it'd be a good idea to make TIE fighters in ESB white (the TIEs in SW are white only to resolve technical issues with blue screen photography: the fighters were originally supposed to be blue) then maybe he's not entirely the best sort of person to be helming a project like this. You'd think he would have done the research to prove him wrong.

I have done my research and as your pic shows (which you have now removed)the TIEs are not the colour we see in ESB or ROTJ. I won't bow down to any form of pressure, in fact im a stubborn bugger and would probably do the complete opposite that was i was being told to do ( and that doesn't mean that everyone should start telling me the TIEs have to be grey just so i'll keep them blue. lol). If i was the sort of person that did bow to pressure then i may as well just hand the edit to someone else and i just do the work. That will never happen. :)

ANH is finished and i will never go back to that, so recolouring the TIEs will never happen

I love the muted tones used in ANH. more and more colour began to be used as the movies went on and that became a huge problem with the PT. They are just too colourful and lose the feel of the OT completely. Not everything has to be colourful

here's some shots taken from the GOUT. Just look how many times the colouring changes in this short sequence from shot to shot. They're all over the place. The last 2 of the asteroid chase are the same TIE. its starts grey until the next shot when it turns dark blue (and it has nothing to do with the sparking because the previous shot it is still light blue/ grey right up until the last frame). then we see them bombing the surface. the bombers are light blue and the TIEs are grey, and look much better IMO

Kurgan said:

 

So the TIEs are now definitely going to be back to grey. The Bombers will have the original colouring because they are different ships. TIEs were grey in ANH, so i want to keep the consistency there

 

Argh, why do the space battles need to look like black & white? Anyone can just dial down their color contrast, right?

The TIEs were originally intended to be blue, and this gave ESB & ROTJ a unique look.

 

Glad you're keeping the Executor color, but I say, bad idea on the monochrome TIEs in ESB.... :(

The colour correction i am doing at the moment has all blue TIEs. This video will be available on my AVCHD release in 1080p HD glory. But for revisited the TIEs will be grey. You have to remember this isn't a restoration its just a fan edit. I hate the blue TIEs in ROTJ & ESB. no amount of pressuring will make me change my mind on this (and yes i have just been pointed to  the topic you started over at stardestroyer.net, Kurgan, that links to this thread to get people there to try and change my mind.). I have always preferred the TIEs to be grey. ANH:R has grey TIEs so suddenly jumping to having all blue TIEs really doesn't fit with continuity with my edit. The whole bollox explanation that the Death Star TIEs were a different squadron so were white/ grey is just more EU bullshit to explain an error. If that's the case then why did ILM add the CG TIEs for the SE as blue/grey ones? That totally screwed up that theory.

And as you can see from the pic you posted Kurgan the TIEs in ESB & ROTJ aren't even that colour. The TIES were artificially coloured for many shots. Its really obvious when comparing the model to the screen version. That colouring would have been almost grey when filmed. Like i said before they forgot in a lot of shots to recolour them and they are grey. This was the start of ILM finding out they could do something new and then totally overdoing it. They can recolour the TIES so they oversaturate them, but forget some shots; they find out that they can eliminate the black matte lines for the Hoth Battle by making the matte slightly transparent, but then use the same technique during the space scenes and the falcon & TIEs become transparent.

Darth Chaltab said:

I get that hacks would be against the rules, but why would legitimate serial numbers be?

And thanks, I may try that power-pack thing.

The problem with someone sending you a serial is that it might not work with your version. it all depends on what build your office version is. Each build version has a different batch of serial numbers that can be used. I came across this problem when i purchased a second hand computer and it came with a legit copy of Office but without the booklet and serial number. I tried to input one i wrote down from a box in my local WHSmith but it came up as an invalid serial.

You could try putting the hard drive in the other PC as Ziz suggested. I wouldn't use the PC for too long though because with all the diifferent drivers between computers could cause crashes, but if you can get office started then you should be able to find the serial so you can install it on the other PC.

One thing i did forget to mention: Recently i have been flooded with both PM's and emails regarding suggestions and questions about my edits. Well i have to say that if you do have questions or suggestions that you please ask in the appropriate thread. Its just become too many now. So from today i will no longer be replying to any PM's or emails that is about anything that belongs in the Revisited (or its offspring threads)or AVCHD threads. I'm sorry but, not only is it causing me to lose track of things, but there are just too many now, with most covering things that have already been discussed in here and they are just filling up my PM's & email way too fast.

astromech said:

Episode IV had 'The Great Hand/Flipper Debate'

Episode V has 'The Great Green/Red Laser AND Meteor/Probe Droid Debate'...! 

I wonder what Episode VI will bring....

Probably the great Boba fett dies/ lives debate.

This whole "probe droid" debate is getting a bit out of hand. There is no need to do an editing to that scene whatsoever. It is the same crash seen from 2 different points of view. The whole suspense thing is built up because we have already seen what emerged from the crater . Now when the Taun taun begins to get jumpy we think that it has sensed the probe approaching. You are expecting that to attack and then WHAM its something completely different. This is how i have always thought since seeing it in 1980, and as Darth Bo said before me.

It wouldn't have gone after Luke because its probably not programmed to detect life signs but instead technology. The Empire is searching for the new Rebel base so sending out hundreds of probe droids that scan for life forms on all these planets and report back would be a huge amount of time wasted sifting through all the information. But if it were only programmed to detect certain types of technology then only important information would be sent back to the Empire. If it could have detected Luke then why didn't it detect Han & Chewie waiting ready to ambush it? It wasn't going to investigate them but just steadily going about its business.It only reacted when Chewie stood up and roared. Then knowing it was ambushed and the high percentage of it being disabled or captured, the self destruct set in. If it could detect them then it wouldn't have fallen into the trap.

professa adyfan said:

but if that was the probe landing by luke it was no distance away from the base, han made the journey by tauntaun twice and spent time talking to chewie, threepio, reiken and leia and changed his clothes twice and a night passed and the rescue took place and luke healed in bacta all before the probe droid got to the power generator.

There is a picture of a storyboard somewhere from ESB where the Probe is caught in the snowstorm and gets buried in snow which would explain why it took so long to get to the generator. The cold could well have affected its systems.

Isley said:

If you look at the background of this shot, you can see what looks like a destroyed defense turret, which seems odd since the battle hasn't started yet.

Yeh, i noticed that. I will be doing something with the background on that shot

doubleofive said:

Wait a minute:

Are those footprints from the guys who set the explosive charge?

I didn't notice that one though.  I will have to do something about that.

Octorox said:

TheoOdo said:

sgdelta1771 said:

 

I really like this. The difference in color always bothered me, so this just looks so much better to me.

 

ditto

Sorry, but i have always preferred the Executor to be blue (as it was originally, not the mess it became in the 2004 release). It really makes this ship stand out as something important. Having it grey just makes it another stardestroyer.  This is how it will look in ESB:R. Taken from my colour corrected version:

The TIEs though, after colour correcting, i really don't like them blue at all. They just don't look right at all. That was the good thing about ANH that the space battles were very muted in colours, almost like watching a black & white movie and gave the feel of old world war 2 dogfights. The TIE colours were boosted to the point of oversaturation in ESB but in many shots they are grey (and that's in the original version and not just the 2004 version). So the TIEs are now definitely going to be back to grey. The Bombers will have the original colouring because they are different ships. TIEs were grey in ANH, so i want to keep the consistency there

Some good news: I have now completed 1hr 43 minutes of the colour correction on ESB. Totally worked my ass off but it has been great to be able to get back to it. Probably just after X-mas you may start to see a few new FX clips appearing :)

Darth Chaltab said:

My main computer just crashed utterly tonight; it won't even start up. I grabbed my old computer from the back room and set it up, but it does not have Office installed on it. This is a problem given that I'm in school and need to write papers quite often. Obviously there are freeware alternatives, but I'd prefer to use the real thing.

Unfortuantely, the CD key sticker has been torn in half, so I can't install it again, and a CD key finder is useless because Office has never been installed on this computer..

Does anyone have a CD Key they'd be willing to spare?

 

sharing any sort of serials or hacks is totally against the forum rules.

It may be a problem with your powerpack as i have just had the same problem. try swapping the powerpack from your other computer, its really easy to do.

failing that try this. Its free:

OPENOFFICE

Ripplin said:

adywan said:

ESB will probably have a larger bitrate because it will only have the 2 audio tracks unless i manage to find the DVD web commentaries, which isn't looking too good at the moment.

And like I suggested, if you haven't already, make a thread about it. People will bend over backwards to help you! ;)

I did last week. here: )

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-DVDs-Web-commentaries-are-they-lost-forever/topic/9904/

but with 257 views it only received 2 replies so far

Well Episode 2 is airing on Adult Swim on November 16th. Here's a clip (there's a bit of a crappy bit at the beginning before Seth Green)

http://vids.eonline.com/services/link/bcpid1396519019/bctid1906851346

Kurgan said:

Can you try http://www.archive.org/index.php (wayback machine, formerly on webarchive.org)?

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately they didn't archive the commentaries. Surely someone somewhere has these. Someone did ANH so i would have thought they may have done the rest too.

lithiumus said:

Hey Ady,

 

I was wondering if you would consider doing another re-encode of the video portion leaving everything else the same.  The size of the release leaves about 530mb of room left on a DVD9 which is a significant amount of space that can be used for the video.

Did you use Megui to do the encode and what profile / x264 settings did you use?  How large was the final video before you did the x264 encode?  Just trying to squeeze every last drop of quality out...  The current release is 7200kbs video bitrate.  You can probably get to 8000 if you used up the rest of the 530mb.

I know it takes a long time to re-encode and I'd offer to do it if I had the files or can get them from you...

unfortunately the original uncompressed video no longer exists. It took up an enormous amount of space and i needed the space for ESB so i had to delete it. I pushed the bitrate up to 7600kbs and it became too big to fit the disc with all the audio tracks. there was no visual difference between that and the 7200kbs final one. ESB will probably have a larger bitrate because it will only have the 2 audio tracks unless i manage to find the DVD web commentaries, which isn't looking too good at the moment.

bkev said:

The green saber was fixed to white in '06. 

No it wasn't. Its still green.

Ripplin said:

I made a VIDEO folder on my SD card and also made sure it was in the VIDEO folder on my memory stick and it still didn't do somefin' or nuffin'. My PS3 has firmware 2.30 on it. Does it need something newer to recognize that format?

Hmmm. Thats really strange because it plays fine on mine although i have firmware 2.52 but the same file type has always played with previous firmware (although not sure about firmware as old as 2.30 though). What county's PS3 do you have? maybe best to update your firmware

Ripplin said:

"...and Return of the Jedi will have a new ending"

Hmm, is the Falcon gonna get blowed up? :p

I'd like to watch that Emperor clip, but VLC won't play it all the way through, Media Player Classic doesn't display a picture, and my PS3 doesn't seem to recognize it. Or maybe I'm not putting it in the right place on the memory stick or SD card? Or...does it need to be updated again?

Strange that your ps3 doesn't recognise it. Have you put it in a folder called "VIDEO"? I know mine doesn't see any videos that aren't in that folder unless i have burned them to a DVD

bkev said:

Anyone else having trouble playing that clip?  VLC not only incredibly lags, but when it's not lagging, it just shows a black screen.  Do I need a new codec?

it sounds like your PC can't cope with a 1080p mkv file. try mediaplayer classic. If you have a PS3 just stick it onto a memory stick and it'll play without problem

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Doubleofive:

"Adywan actually plans to redub or distort helmeted Jango in Attack of the Clones: Revisited to keep continuity in his own special way"

Is this true? : D

yeh, thats true. The PT trilogy will be an even more extensive edit than the OT. Lots of new voice dubs and edits. I'm hoping to make those movies almost unrecognisable. lol

Oh yeh, i forgot to tell you guys. I had my first newspaper interview about Revisited recently and it got published today. Here is the online version:

http://www.meridianstar.com/backstagepass/local_story_310230238.html?keyword=secondarystory

MasterObiSwan said:

It's been a while since I've spoken up here, so I thought I'd clear my throat and make a suggestion that will no doubt be ridiculed and shot down quickly.

In Cloud City, when the poop is hitting the fan and Lando makes an announcement to all his citizens, I suggest the two new SE shots from '97 (the two people in the hallway stopping to listen, and the big shot outside) be flipped in order so that the outside shot comes first then the shot of the two people stopping.  My reason for this is the two people who stop probably wouldn't bother stopping just because Lando is making an announcement.  They have places to be.  However, by moving that shot to a second or two later it makes more sense that they stop because they just heard that the Empire has taken control of the city.  This is something that has always bothered me but I've never heard anybody else bring it up. So, even if Ady doesn't fix it, and even if everybody here thinks I'm wrong, I hope I've planted a subconscious awareness of this problem and I hope it jumps out at everybody when you watch it from now on and causes you all many sleepless nights.  Unless of course it gets fixed.

Also, I just want to make sure I'm in the end credits on this one, too.

Thansk, Ady! You da man!

- Master Obi Swan 

 

You're actually spot on with what i want to do with that scene. i always felt that the shots should have been in that order. It just makes so much more sense

Now the extra 3PO line that's been mentioned will be remaining. The thing is that this line was in the movie when i went to see it in 1980. I was lucky enough to see the 70mm version about 5 times. Now it always seemed odd to em when i saw the 35mm version and then the home video releases that this line was suddenly gone. None of my mates every believed me when i told them about this extra line, as well as a few other differences in both dialogue and the end sequence being shorter.  I guess it all comes down to what version you are most familiar with. I've also never got use to Leia saying " I know where Luke is" instead of repeating "we've got to go back" when they rescue Luke from Cloud City

Work is just flying along at the moment. I've even been able to re-create the original Emperor scene in HD for my AVCHD release of Empire. I posted the link in that thread but if anyone wants to see it then here is the link:

ESB ORIGINAL EMPEROR SCENE 1080P AC3 5.1 .ts stream

MoveAlong said:

OK, well I can finally chime in on this project now that I have SEEN it properly. I watched it on my new 46" Samsung 650 series LCD with a PS3 and it is just phenomenal! Ady, I'm so glad that you're part of this community. We all owe you so much and it is difficult to really express how much respect I have for your efforts (... a lot...)

Anyway, keep up the great work. I can't wait for the AVCHD of Empire!

Thank you MoveAlong.I'm glad you enjoyed it

digitalfreaknyc said:

Do we have any idea which film is next...and when it will be "released?"

Well originally TPM was going to be next but with disc space running out fast working on ESB:R the next release will be Empire and maybe available before Christmas. I just wish i could find someone who managed to record the starwars.com DVD commentaries before they were taken offline. I managed to find ANH and added it to the EpIV AVCHD but i'm missing the rest of the saga..

Anyway, as a teaser for my next release here is the theatrical Emperor in glorious 1080p HD. I was expecting this to take me ages to do but once i had reconstructed the background plates it just fell together

ESB ORIGINAL EMPEROR SCENE 1080P AC3 5.1 .ts stream

On the 2004 OT SE set & the PT DVD’s there is a link using Interactual player that takes you to exclusive online commentaries for the movies. But ever since Starwars.com changed its appearance the commentaries are no longer available. I managed to get ANH but did anyone ever manage to get the rest of the commentaries or have these disappeared forever? With the new box sets just being repackaged versions why hasn’t Starwars.com kept these so called exclusives?

I’m hoping that someone somewhere has recorded the rest of the commentaries because i would love  to be able to use them for my AVCHD saga project

C3PX said:

Mielr said:

I know most of us here either bought them in '06 or refused to buy them, but I think there are still a few people here who want the GOUT discs but haven't bought them yet.

 

For anyone that hasn't bought them yet, you're still better off buying them seperately, they'd be cheaper and they won't be the crappy slimline cases. You might not be able to find them in stores anymore, but you can still get them brand new from places like amazon.

I was one of the ones who refused to buy the GOUT. I finally got a set a few weeks ago used for three bucks a piece. Even at $9 for the whole set, I feel like I probably could have found a better use for my money. For anyone who still doesn't have them, their best deal would be to find them at some used DVD store.

Well i saw the Gout and the PT DVD's on sale at HMV in the UK in their 5 for £30 sale ( to get the 6th you'd have to pay £9 but Woolworths have the saga for £6.99 each), so for the same price as one of these new box sets you can get the complete saga.

The thing is, if these sets are just the 2004 /6 OT sets repackaged then the SE DVD-Rom links will be useless as they have removed all the content from the site.

DarthBo said:

This time I wasn't fast enough :-(

Can anyone who downloaded it reupload it? (preferably with a premium account so it doesn't expire) :-)

 

The file link is still active. there must have been something wrong with rapidshare last night. try the link again

vbangle said:

Ady, if it isn't too uncomfortable to talk about and I think I speak for everybody here...How are you and your family doing? We appreciate your work on the SW projects but I think we are more concerned with how you are doing......

 

We're doing as well as can be expected really. Its hit my kids pretty hard. they saw him every day as he lived just over the road from them and the accident happened very close to their house. His funeral is tomorrow and it looks like its going to be a very big turn out. The police still haven't released any details about the lad who was driving the car. Isn't this country great when the law protects the guilty.

Well i managed to get shit loads done today. The colour correction is coming along pretty fast now. So here's the new comparison clip i promised. Trying to keep 3PO's colour constant was a bit of a nightmare. Just look at his colouring in the original video compared to mine and you'll see what i mean. Some shots he was almost black & white. Gotta love those colour correction guys at ILM. I bet they're really proud of their work

ASTEROID CHASE COLOUR COMPARISON - XVID 50MB approx

russs15 said:

Please find some more details about the Editdroid releases at

 

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/gtf/dvd/OT/edit.html

Thanks for the info russ 15. Looks like the info i was sent the other day was completely wrong and the ones i have are indeed the editdroid set.  Disc 1 is going up in a.b.starwars now

Great news. I got the powerpack today and have restarted work on ESB:R. Maybe a new clip soon :)

Thanks to everyone that helped me out.

TheDoctor1987 said:

Thank you ADYWAN i have been looking for this set and found them on torrents but there were no seeds when do you think you will be done with this upload i really cant wait to see this set. 

They weren't the Editdroid set, i'm afraid, so i won't be uploading them. Hopefully someone has this set and can upload them