adywan

hey, sojourn, good to see you around here again.

I'm a bit worried about doing any more tweaking to Yoda because it could become overdone and smearing would become very noticeable through the warping technique used to animate his face.

Sevb32, i had thought about zooming in to eliminate the leg but i have always liked being able to see the leg. I'm going to try some different ways to fix the problem first.

the graphics on the binoculars are having a bit of a  revamp for both Luke's and the Troopers shots. they will both be identical in the finished shots and will be almost the same as the troopers vision as it was in the new clip. I just want to improve the graphics a bit but not too much.

As for the underside of the AT-AT well there isn't much i can do about that but i'll have a look over that scene later and see what can be done. One thing i did notice though is that not only does the leg strut have the wrong detailing but it is also too small compared to the model. I'm trying to find the concept drawings & paintings for ESB because i think they may have built the set from the concepts but the models wee redefined for workability for the stop motion model when doing the effects which were done after filming. I just wish i knew where i put those scans.

And the stick will be gone in Revisited. :)

PaulisDead2221 said:

Vegas can do it without re-rendering?  is it like a muxer ady?

yeh. if you make sure the project settings are the same settings as your video and in the video clip properties you disable "maintain aspect ratio" and that the field settings are exactly the same as the video then all it does is mux the clips together using its smart renderer. thats why i always use vegas. It will only render the clips i want it to render so never lose quality

are you working with HD files? if you are a 500gb will not be enough space to do an uncompressed render. Is there any way you can export the movie in sections then just use Vegas to join the sections together? this way vegas doesn't have to re-render the footage and will just splice it together.

BarBar Jinkx said:

I got it From the direct link on the fanedit.org site link to rapidshare, just before the link was taken down

PM sent

BarBar Jinkx said:

I swear by Handbrake myself

 

I couln't burn the movie to DVD due to some glitch with "Star_Wars_Revisited_By_Adywan_PAL.part20" so I coundn't even watch it with my Macbooks DVD player past that chapter.

I put it trough handbrake and I've had it on my iPhone ever since

that sounds like a corrupt rar file. you should have just re-downloaded part20. where did you download it from because if it was usenet then the pars would have fixed that file and you would have been good to go

Ripplin said:

That's insane! I get the opposite with my ISP: I started out with a speed of 5MB and they've gradually upped it to 8MB for free. 60GB usage (combined up/down) per month, too.

You really do need another provider, it seems. That's incredibly restrictive, especially if you're paying for a decent plan. I bet they're going to lose a lot of customers.

yeh. they actually didn't even announce what they were doing which many were annoyed about. people started complaining about severely low speeds and the customer support just said it was a problem with their line. It was only when one of the ISP's resellers, who i am with, leaked out the memo from my ISP that things came to light. lots of people are leaving for other isps its just that we don't have a great choice in the UK of who i could go with. I've been with many, double figures now, in the past few years and i'd hoped these would have remained as good as they use to be, what a great new years gift this was. :(

well the 14bg version won't be coming any time soon. my bloody ISP has just changed its policy and lowered the usage limit to 7GB per month and my speeds have gone down from 8mb down 1 mb up to just 125kb up so it would take me forever to upload 14gb plus i couldn't possibly do it with those limits. Guess i'll be looking around for another provider.

Ziz said:

The beauty of that clip is that, just like ANH:R, if you didn't know what to look for, you'd never know anything was changed.

 

I mean that in a good way.

 

But just for the sake of comparison, could you post it as one of those top/bottom before/after versions?

yeh. i'll get that ready to post tomorrow

Possessed said:

 Hey, is the torrent I found of the Episode V 1997 Special Edition colour corrected by Ady actually real? While I am very interested in this project, I would still like to have a colour corrected version to tide me over in the mean time. But I have it downloaded, and I try to shrink with DVDShrink and it won't let me, something about a UDF File system error.

it is real but it isn't a standard DVD so DVDshrink won't work with it. It is a AVCHD which is the hi-def 1080p version playable in the PS3 & bluray players and not playable in standard dvd players. It uses the udf 2.50 filesystem so you neeed the driver installed to be able to browse the disc

Monroville said:

You could also consider moding the nose to have it snort or breath.  Anything to indicate it is a living thing and not a puppet head.

It already breaths. you can clearly see the Taun Tauns breath coming from its mouth in the movie. It wouldn't breath from its nose while its mouth is open

Monroville said:

All you have to do is watch the link above and compare the time markers I listed.  The movements are noticeably different.

I already have done that before i replied to you last time. the ear wobble is not due to movement. The ears have a skeletal like rod in the upper part of the ear extending from the skull to the tip of the ear. This creates the movement and also the vibrating wobble. The ears aren't just rubber like most puppets are. if you look at the shot where he turns around at the beginning of the clip you can see that the ear vibrates. if it was a wobble due to the rubber it would have not have continued the vibrating motion for so long after the puppet turned.

the ear wobbling was done deliberately at the time of filming as it had a mechanism built into the puppet to make the ears do that so it doesn't need to be changed. I'm keeping an eye on the hands but there isn't much i can do about those.

Sevb32 said:

Awesome, Ady you plan on having the Tauntauns ears twitching a bit? Someone suggested it, and I think it would work well, being so many animals move their ears.

No i won't be doing the taun Taun's ears. i did try to tweak them but the head is moving around too much for me to do anything to them.

Ok well i have tweaked Yoda a little bit more. If i do any more then its going to become overdone. As for the teeth moving with the mouth then when i was doing the mouth i cut away the inside of the mouth and the teeth are as in the original with nothing done to them so if they move then they did originally and it has nothing to do with my tweaks.

Can anyone that uploaded the old clip to youtube please delete the old clip and replace it with this one. Thanks

FINAL YODA TWEAKED

YOUTUBE VERSION (but i would recommend the downloadable version above due to better quality)

bkev said:

Well... keep in mind I'm just one person, but I think it makes it seem a little faker.  Yoda doesn't need any work done on him.  At least, I think so; right now, that kinda screams "let's do it because we can" - which is what was wrong with the original SEs.

To each his own of course.  As always, the color correction is great.

Faker? well yoda does need a bit of work done to him. the thing that always screamed Puppet to me was the mouth movement. Its something i always wanted to tweak so it isn't in the same class as "doing it because i can". Anything i do to yoda is only going to be minor and subtle mouth tweaks. It's mainly certain words or letters that really make it look like a puppet so that's the only tweaking i'm going to do to yoda.  i don't want to do anything to the face though. I did try to add subtle movements and blinks but that really didn't work and that looked too fake.

Monroville said:

Yes, very nice. Thanks, Sev. :)

And nice to hear your thoughts on the number of AT-ATs, Ady. It does seem like more of a 'crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke' kind of arrogance only sending a few AT-ATs to get rid of all the Rebels.

With all due respect, that's a load of BS.  Again, if the Empire is going to send a Super Star Destroyer and 10 to 12 regular Star Destroyers, why send an army of "5 friggin AT-ATs"?!?!  Why not send ONE regular Star Destroyer ala the beginning of ANH if the Empire is that overconfident?

And how I ask can you "crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke" with 5 AT-ATs?  That's like knocking down Mike Tyson with one swift stroke... from Gary Coleman!

Look, I understand the visual clutter issue, but if the Empire has an ARMY they are going to use it.  5 AT-ATs does NOT constitute an army!  Now what you CAN do to rectify that is another issue.  Also, if you want just 5 AT-ATs, that's what the OT is all about and Ady's HD torrents.  Granted, there has to be some logic to whatever changes are made, but I thought the whole point of this was to have fun and go for the gold when it comes to "special editionalizing" these things?

why is that BS? The At-At's were only sent down to knock out the shield generator. They weren't sent to wipe out the rebels at all. The original assault was from the Stardestroyers and was supposed to be a surprise attack. The Empire is quite cocky about their superiority over the rebels so i really don't think they would have sent a whole attack force down there just to destroy a shield. The Stardestroyers became a blockade and they were confident that they could stop all the escaping rebel ships.

And you have got the whole point of the Revisited edits totally wrong. They were never going to be "going for gold when it comes to special editionising" the movies at all.  That's just turns it into an edit that does add things just because it looks good and because it can be done. Some things don't need to be changed while others do. it was only ever supposed to be a colour correction and continuity fixing project but it grew when i learned how to do the FX work. The battle of Yavin got an overhaul because it was supposed to be a fight for their lives and needed that grander scale. Now the hoth battle isn't the same. Vader wants Luke alive. He isn't going to send down a whole attack force that could probably wipe out the rebels completely and Luke along with them.

I'm sticking to the original number of 5. I've changed the rear 2 At-At's in the opening shot and i have them more animated as they are just motionless in the original. There are other ways i can intensify the battle without having to add more AT-At's or any AT-ST's for that matter too. I might take them out completely anyway. The one shot we see of an AT-ST is completely out of proportion to the AT-AT when we see it walking past . Its way too high up the screen and looks like its floating off the ground. It should be much lower down in ratio to the AT-AT. Adding any AT-ST's is impossible to do without either making a model and film it in stop motion or get someone to make a CG model and animate it to match the stop motion effect of the models.

Which brings me nicely to my next item....

I am now looking for anyone who can do CG rendered mattes that can perfectly match the CG cloud city buildings seen in the SE. I only need a few mattes done and they would all be still shots but i want to replace the original matte paintings.

I also need someone who has enough time to do some CG work i need doing of some fighters etc.

Hopefully someone knows someone that can help with these. But they do have to be movie quality though and have to know what they are doing.

Well i can see the AT-AT debate still rages on. lol. Looks like i've got a lot of catching up to do. I'll reply to things that have been said a bit later when i get some spare time. But for now....

This is a clip i was hoping to post for Christmas but i didn't get a chance to finish it because of getting the damn flu. I have tweaked Yoda a bit. I've stuck to just the mouth movements because i don't feel the face needs anything. I have just tried to sync the lip movement more with what he is speaking.

Enjoy, and a Happy new Year

YODA TWEAKED -17mb approx XVID (link changed to the final video post)

i just want to wish everyone on here a Happy New Year.

So what do we all wish for in 2009?

I guess what we all want is the OUT released on Blu-ray & DVD fully restored with no horrible colour corrections.

What we will probably get is another rehash DVD box set release of the SE & GOUT. But i guess we can be hopeful

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!

JediMasterFisher said:

I just dont want these movies changed in ways they dont need to be. Taking Boba out is pointless. Who cares if he goes out like a punk?

Many, many fans do. Boba fett was never supposed to have been in ROTJ. He was only added because he became a fan favourite. The thing is GL didn't know what to do with him. At the time, in '83, everyone i knew hated the way Boba died. It just seems a childish slapstick moment. If GL didn't know what to do with him then he should have left him out. Having Boba in the PT was the same thing. The whole jango/ Boba storyline was only put in because he was a fan favourite. Lets not forget we were to have originally seen a young Han solo and we saw a young Greedo (TPM deleted scene) plus a few other things thrown in for nothing more than fanwank.

Jedi was the weakest of the OT and almost on par with the PT in my books. It was just a rehash of ANH for the most part so that one i have always said needs the most work done on it. Even the opening is a clone of ANH.  The PT will be ripped apart so PT fans i would advise you to stay well clear of my Revisited edits. ;)

Monroville said:

vbangle said:

doubleofive said:

Some people complain about removing the completely unnessary Boba Fett from RotJ and have no problem removing the plot-centric Jar Jar Binks from TPM.  I guess its all a matter of taste.  Boba Fett is all insert shots in Jabba's palace, interacts with one person (and then only in the SE), then flies from Jabba's sail barge to a skiff, gets knocked off and dies.  How is that essential in any way, especially since everyone wants him to live anyway?

But that has nothing to do with ESB, so I'll drop it now.

I think you guys are missing the point. It isn't so much about Boba Fett than it is about Han Solo having a measure of revenge on Boba....

 

I like someone else's suggestion of taking some of the Django Fett scenes, recolouring his outfit and giving Boba an escape option (have him fly away, gain control of his jet pack and fly over the sail barge... or something.  Hell, just ADD some extra Fett maybe by taking that CLONES clip and have him firing on the skiff crew).  Remember, it's more of a "Han getting revenge against Jabba" thing than anything else.  Too bad his girlfriend has to do it for him.

 

ok i have to point out a HUGE problem with using any shots of Jango for Boba Fett in ROTJ. The two costumes are so different. For one it isn't just a case of recolouring the outfit but Bobas armour has a lot of damage on it whereas jangos looks brand new. Adding this texturing to Jangos costume is impossible. Not only that but if you look at the two photos you will see other differences. jango has 2 holsters and Boba has none. Boba has a cape and jango doesn't. They both use different weapons.The belt is different. Jango has leg & shin armour and boba has none. Different boots and probably more but i can't be bothered with spot the difference any more. lol

The whole skiff battle will have some re-edits done to it and i want to change Bobas death if i actually keep him in the movie but using Jango for footage just isn't an option. Anyway this is the ESB thread and ROTJ isn't even going to be started until 2010 so maybe we should get back on topic. lol ;)

Getting back to ESB, i have been looking at the new Hoth battle footage and i'm really not too sure if adding more AT-AT's is the way to go. I've been thinking and i think that the original amount is perfect. Having just a few AT-At's kick the rebels ass really shows the might of the empire. Adding more in was really just a bit of fanwank really if you think about it. Its something that goes under the category "adding it because we can". It really adds nothing. I will be making the battle more intense but not with extra AT-ATs.

negative1 said:

i think that blu-ray is just a stop-gap measure before another standard takes its place, or more people go digital..

 

just as digital downloads have replaced/outpaced physical sales with music.. it COULD happen with movies also, given the right combination of infrastructure / pricing / availability...

 

i'd like to think blu-ray will become a high-end videophile niche, much like what happened to laserdisc....

 

it will never go away, unless and IF, (and that's a big IF), they start discontinuing dvd's, and go blu-ray exclusive.. that would really push the format along....or have some (*AHEM STAR WARS*) movie that would also push it further..

 

again, the PS3 factor is really fading away.. PS3 sags in battle against xbox 360/wii http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123050978162738293.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop 

 

"But early results from this holiday season aren't promising. U.S. sales of the PS3 fell 19% last month from a year earlier, while sales doubled for the Wii console and rose 8% for the Xbox 360, according to research firm NPD. "

 

later

-1

But one thing that never seems to be taken into account is the price of the consoles. The PS3 here is still £299 whereas the Xbox360 can now be got for as little as £100. Plus the Xbox360 & the wii can be chipped/ hacked so you can play backups. The PS3 can't. Once that can be hacked then sales will start to take off as long as they start to get better games for the PS3. The ones available at the moment aren't that great compared to ones on the XBox. But has nothing to do with how well blu-ray is doing.

Digital downloading for movies will never work here in the UK as long as BT continues to charge such high prices for lease of their lines. All but one ISP has download limits. Even ones that say they are unlimited have what they call fair usage policies. You can download a couple of GB (sometimes its even as low as 700mb) and then your speeds drop so much that you only just about surf the net let alone download a movie.

DVD's took a long time to take off because many people said they were happy with their videos. The same thing is happening with Blu-ray. It will be a couple of more years before we see which way the format will go.

But with the way the financial climate is at the moment sales will continue to drop for most things as money becomes tight.

I'm not able to view any of the pictures for some reason. Each link just goes to the photobucket home page

MCBarkingSpoon said:

Doctor M said:

What's is bloody hilarious, is I never thought about it before. Mind you I've been hearing him say that line since I was 5 years old.

I stopped thinking about what makes sense in Star Wars 200 viewings ago.

I'm kinda OCD with stuff like that myself, started noticing things like that as a kid. ;)

 

What about when R2 finds Leia on the Death Star in the computer.

3PO: I dont know sir, he keeps saying I found her and that she's here.

Luke: Who?

(At this point R2 makes no sound after the found her bit)

3PO: Princess Leia

What did R2 do, mime who it was afterward?

Adywan, if you ever go back to patch anything else, please add a beep or two from R2 before 3PO says who?

:D

R2 doesn't need to make a sound there at all. He would have already told 3po it was the princess when he was making all that noise

MCBarkingSpoon said:

I ran the test dvd for AOTC,

Looks good from sitting down, but closer to my TV i see artifacts.

My TV is a 52 inch and used my PS3, hdmi cable and all that goodness, could it be that bigger screens will always show some even on BluRay files?

The AOTC test dvd was just a sample from a different source (the hv release which wasn't very good quality) that i won't be using for the final AVCHD.

JediMasterFisher said:

but that is still young vader he changes in 19 years.

 

But he wouldn't have grown about 6 inches though? And if he was more machine than man then surely his bulk would be the same as it was in the OT.  Like i said the transformation was poorly executed and Vader just isn't right. I'm going to have great fun redoing the whole Anakin burned / Vader born section :)

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Adywan:

"One thing i am planning on, and i really hope that i can pull it off, is i want to replace all footage of Hayden in the vader suit with Dave Prowse's Vader from the OT."

Why?

well for one there is something just not right about Vader's appearance in ROTS. Hayden just does not look right in the costume. His portrayal is just not Vader. look at the end scene when they are looking at the Death Star. he folds his arms. Vader in the OT would never have done that. He doesn't even fill the suit correctly and is too short. he has built up  heels on for gods sake in ROTS. I may not even be able to pull it off but its something i'm seriously considering.