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The correct setting for the layer break on the PAL DVD-9 is cell 27 which is right after Tarkin says "Terminate her, immediately". The NTSC DVD-9 also had this layer break set but some versions of IMGBurn reported it as a bad layer break position, even though i was able to burn it ok with my version of Imgburn. So there was a fix posted to solve the imgburn problem that changed the layer break for the NTSC to cell 28 which is the start of the scene that Vader walks to the falcon in the death star hangar.

ImperialFighter said:

Some more great work there Adywan, thanks for the preview.  Just lovin' the vibrancy of the colour, and the look of the sky in your version.  The work on the buildings looks great also, of course.

Although your shots there aren't finished yet, I'm curious to see if you are going to be amending the look of the Millennium Falcon's cockpit windows in any of these shots.  For instance, in the shot at the top here, the windows are totally blackened out (which I quite like in that actual shot), whereas in the other two shots shown here, one has a 'reflective' look, while the other has a 'grey' look.

Just curious if you are keeping the current looks, or not.  Happy either way.

Oh, and have you considered if it would be an idea to add the 2 red lights at the end of the MF's front 'prongs' to come on, somewhere when it lands, in the top shot?  Just another thought to think over. 

 

Hopefully i will be using a model shot for the Falcon instead of the painted matte because it lacks detail so the windows will be changed. There are actually a couple of things that i need to fix for the landing shot that i'm really surprised that ILM didn't fix for the SE. The main one is the tiny cloud car that looks like it flies right through the falcon. If they had digitally re-composited all the FX for the SE then this mistake would not still be there. I'm starting to really question the truth of what was said in all those making of the SE docs.

The other thing in that shot is that as the falcon lands on the platform you can  see the platform moves/ wobbles but the matte sections remain static. And i have already added the falcon lights to this shot but i like the idea of them turning on as it lands so i'm probably going to go with that idea.

focuspuller said:

Not to be anal, but, do the two new shots have continuity? The building placement looks completely different. That being said the new shots at the very least are visually pleasing.

Also, didn't some kind of tram pass under in one of the new shots? Is that still going to be there?

Monroville said:

You may want to play with/consider blurring the buildings more and more as they recede into the background due to atmospheric effects (like when you look at a city from far away and it has an almost transparent bluish look).  Maybe that was one of the problems with the city effects of the prequels was that everything in foreground to background looked sharp, when you would have focal issues and atmospheric effects that could have made the scenes more realistic.

Things like the monorails and air traffic could be nice visually, but at the same time the focus should be on the main action, not the stuff moving in the background.

I would nix the trains, but maybe put those slow pulsing red lights that buildings here have on the top (for airplanes at night) and have one or two cloud cars VERY far in the distance... maybe just reduced to a black dot with running lights.  Maybe something enough to bring the city to life (like maybe the addition of audio effects to indicate a busy city behind and underneath them) but not enough to pull away from what we are supposed to be paying attention to.

Yes, i've been keeping an eye on the continuity of buildings. as you can see from the shots below but they added a large building placed behind the platform in the approaching shots that knocks out the continuity. I tried adding the building to these mattes but it just didn't look right and took over the shot so I'm either going to have to try and omit it from the SE approaching shots or just screw continuity for one shot.

I still haven't finished the mattes yet, these were more of a teaser.

The buildings are actually more blurred already the further back they are but its difficult to see due to the small res of the pictures. There is also quite a bit of sky traffic too but again hard to spot. I already have cloud cars flying past as well as distant glows from engines, like the ones seen in the SE. The monorails is also still in there. Its hard to see without seeing moving images.

Bingowings said:

Some of those ideas I'm very keen on but one of the things I remember from seeing the film all those years ago was the feeling of dread that such a huge city being so quiet instilled in me at the time (I'm not sure if that was a deliberate directing decision or just down to not having enough money to bring the place to life back in 1980).

It foreshadowed that something wasn't right about the place (with the Imperials kicking around it would make sense for Lando to try and keep as many people away from danger as possible without looking like he was...you know, administrate casual).

The daytime scenes kind of blew that out of the water but the quiet did set a tone which was backed up by Leia's apprehensions.

I think it was more to do with FX limitations or budget reasons back in 1979. I always saw it as a busy mining colony. I think if it was too quiet then Han would have been suspicious the moment they arrived. plus we saw all the activity inside the city pre-SE so i guess it was always intended to be a busy place.

DF Shadow said:

If I remember correctly in the SE DVD the consistency of the millennium falcon when entering cloud city is off. The falcon is thinner in the the new CG shots and thicker in the old shots. I think this is most obvious when it lands on the platform.

Once the ship has docked it's back to it's usual thickness.

Something to look at AdY?

yeh i always thought it looked a bit flat but having looked at it closer it seems the shadowing is off giving it the flat effect. Its the same CG model that is used in the previous shot when being pursued by Slave 1 and also used in ANH SE and it looks fine then. I'm not sure what i can do with it but something does need to be done.

doubleofive said:

I found some transparency issues while the Falcon is being chased by Star Destroyers.  That's just ridiculous.

yeh, i mentioned this previously. the whole film has serious transparency issues , many which are impossible to fix without having the original separate elements. They figured out a way to minimize the black matte lines for the hoth battle then used it for the rest of the FX shots. They did the same thing with ROTJ too. In the opening shots the Shuttle becomes transparent and you can see endor through its wings.

almonkey said:

adywan, do you have a photo album comparing all the old shots and your shots? i really enjoyed looking through your work in picture form for star wars (yeah, yeah, a new hope now!)

No, there won't be one until the movie is complete because many shots go through changes throughout the editing process it just wouldn't be worth starting one yet

ABC said:

Great work ADY ! (And don't be shy, answer to my PM if you'd like ! ). :)

What PM? I can't find one from you, but my inbox is pretty full so i guess its about time i started to delete some

don't unpack the ISO. Nero will burn the iso image file. Just open nero and when the new compilation box appears just click "open" and select the iso then burn.

A better way of burning (because many people have problems burning with nero and to be honest it isn't very reliable), just download the free burning tool IMGBURN then you can  just open the iso and burn. Its a much better burner than nero and the discs are much more compatible than any i have burned using nero

Funnily enough that's exactly what i've been working on. Here they are, although not yet quite finished:

Ripplin said:

ImperialFighter said:

DarthBo said:

I was just under the impression (or hoping) that the transformation would be cut, so I could watch the saga in chronological order without knowing for sure who Vader is until episode V.

 

Wow, I don't remember reading that anywhere!  I'd hope to see the 'transformation' into the suit in some sort of 'Adywaned' way....

Yes, like DarthBo, I seem to remember Adywan saying that we'd only see Vader for the first time in Ep. IV...

 

No, what i actually said was:

adywan said:

I am toying with the idea that we don't see vader in the PT but I'm probably more inclined to give Vader a better role at the end. I want to see him hunting down and killing some of the remaining Jedi at the end not the stupid wimp screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" Also i never understood why the hell he needs a lifesupport suit when all that happened was he got burned. His lungs wouldn't have been affected. I'm going to be adding something that explains why he has to breath artificially when i get to ROTS:R

Monroville, i can't understand why you are still saying that the TIE laser sound Fx sound off. You have even  quoted the post where i did say that the audio is a temp track. i only added the sound of the TIE lasers because it would have looked odd if i didn't, with the new lasers added. Also you should look more closely at the clip you mentioned. There are several fighters firing at once but each individual TIE fighter isn't firing at the pace they did in ANH. They are more singular blasts from each fighter rather than repetitive ones in ANH. How can the laser fire be too slow when its a sequence taken from a different part of the movie & matted over the original footage? wouldn't that make the original TIE lasers too slow?

alt.binaries.hdtv.repost

Thanks for the comment guys.

There one thing i need to say about the clip though. The sound track is only temp, as with all my preview clips. These are only posted to show the visuals. The audio won't even be started until the video is completely finished. So the sound of the TIE lasers and their volume isn't a problem.

Monroville,  the TIE lasers in ESB seem to take a completely different firing pattern to that of ANH. IN ANH the firing pattern was very fast but if you check out the few times that the TIE's fire in ESB they are a slower paced rate. The new TIE lasers i have added are actually footage taken from elsewhere in ESB & rotoscoped into the footage so the firing pace is the same but sometimes looped / shortened  due to length.  The clips i post are all NTSC so the sound is the correct speed and the lasers in the clip are the same sound fx  i used for ANH:R

I'll try and answer all other things once i get a chance to read everything later.

here's 2 versions to choose from:

ASTEROID SCENE EXTENDED COMPARISON

ASTEROID SCENE EXTENDED SOLO

They're only slightly longer than the one posted recently but these are the shots as they will appear in ESB:R. A certain debate that raged on for a while can now be put to rest. It's over. I have made my decision. lol

The Golden Idol said:

Ady, I don't know if this was previously acknowledged, but I noticed that when Luke flies out the window during his fight with Vader, his lightsaber seems to disappear, but he has it again later. Will this be fixed somehow?

It doesn't need to be fixed. Luke loses the lightsaber as he falls out of the window. when he is hanging on the ledge you can see the lightsaber is lying there on the platform.

well i'm hoping to post a slightly extended version of the latest asteroid scene later (probably tomorrow) so i'll do 2 versions, 1 without the splitscreen

The Golden Idol said:

adywan said:

Ripplin said:

^What is this 'Luke's bobbing head' thing you mention? The Dagobah crash?

i think its the carbon chamber scene when Luke jumps down and then you can see his head bob back up

 

Where exactly is this?

 

when luke is fighting vader in the carbon chamber and he knocks him off the side. Keep an eye on the left hand side of the screen as Luke jumps down. You will see his head bobbing back up into frame

mrbenja0618 said:

Haha... I just hope Ady doesn't paste those images. =)

 

damn. Now i have to think of some other way of adding the graphics. ;)

jivjov said:

When I was a kid, I had the Special Edition Trilogy VHS box set, with the little commentary thing at the beginning of each movie, and as such, the biggest error I remember about Empire was the transparant Snowspeeder cockpits, because they showed a bunch of comparison shots of that gaffe during the commentary.

yeh, i still have those box sets. I remember thinking how great it was that the cockpits are no longer transparent. it wasn't until i started Revisited that i realised that what they said was totally and utter lies. All they did was slightly change the black level and didn't re-composite the shots at all.  I decided to re watch that clip where they showed the difference before and after because i thought that the 2004 DVD's may have mistakenly used the unfixed footage. but i couldn't believe that , even though they show a before and after comparison and say how they fixed it, that the 2 shots were exactly the same but with different black levels.

Actually, if you look at these comparisons closely, the cockpit is more transparent in the SE version than it is in the Original. You can clearly see the outline of the AT-AT through the cockpit, especially its neck and foot, strut in the SE but you can't so much in the GOUT

i really wish i could get hold of the original elements so i could re-composite them properly but that's never going to happen, sadly.

Ripplin said:

^What is this 'Luke's bobbing head' thing you mention? The Dagobah crash?

i think its the carbon chamber scene when Luke jumps down and then you can see his head bob back up

jivjov said:

adywan said:

6. Not adding anything in just because its in the EU - The EU doesn't exist to me so no more EU suggestions

 

I just stumbled across this thread for your revisited version of ESB, and I must say I'm looking forward to it, because ANH Revisited was amazing.

I respect your stance of not wanting to cram your Revisited version of ESB with Expanded Universe references, but how can you say that it doesn't exist to you? There are well over 100 novels, an even greater number of comics, and a smattering of short stories and other various pieces of Expanded Universe literature, many of which show scenes from this very movie.

I think you're selling Star Wars as a franchise short by discounting so much work by talented authors, artists, desigeners, etc, claiming that it doesn't exist to you.

That being said, I hope you don't take this as a personal attack, rather just my concern that making such a bold statement about the Star Wars EU is a little troubling.

Again, I can't wait to see Empire Revisited, and I hope your work progresses smoothly.

I Think you have misunderstood what i mean by that. The EU doesn't exist to me within the realms of creating the Revisited saga. in my personal life i don't discount the EU at all. It was just that there started to be so many suggestions for additions or fixes because it either didn't fit in with or was part of the EU that i had to make that statement before things got out of hand.

Josh said:

AND HERE IS THE YOUTUBE LINK(May not yet be processed.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0NBuD1bFUs

thanks for putting that up Josh.

I would recommend watching the download version though because Youtubes compression completely destroys the effect.

Ziz said:

It looks like the asteroid belt is tilting more - er, the Falcon is tilting more - you know what I mean.

yeh. In the original shot, to me, it looked like the Falcon just bobbed up and down in the cockpit window shot so i wanted to make it look like it was actually flying into the asteroid field and that it was dodging the asteroids.

mrbenja0618 said:

That is freakishly awesome, Ady. What did you do to the asteroids to make them look so good?

the whole background asteroid field i had to rebuild from scratch. The original was just a doubled matte and looked blurred. then there is about 30+ different layers of asteroids added on top to fill the background and give it more depth. The on top of that there are all the single larger asteroids added. The each layer has to have a separate motion path given to match the main motion of the shot. all in all the cockpit shot alone had almost 100 different layers to create it. Even my quad core struggled to render all that so i am so glad i dropped the 1080p idea because i now know it would have been impossible.

The whole asteroid sequence is having a makeover so be prepared. lol

Ripplin said:

^Unless I missed something, the asteroids look the same to me, just color corrected.

The thing I get a kick out of is the camera shake. That makes a massive difference. Watch the guys flinging themselves around with no shake and it just looks funny now. It's almost like they meant to do a camera shake and forgot.

Another big difference is when they're going into the asteroid and Leia is saying "what looks pretty good?" Look at the top windows in the cockpit in the original version. It's almost like the windows are greasy and it's making the blue tint more evident. Ady's is cleaned up nicely. :)

you haven't seen the new clip then. thats the old one you mention which was only colour corrected. This one is a different scene and every FX shot is new. The new one i posted up here^^^^^^^^

Well i got my first DVD player in 1999 and that cost me £250.  was the only person that i knew that had one and its wasn't until late 2001 when i got married that one other person had one. Now onto the present day and i have a Blu-Ray player in the form of a PS3. But after 2.5 years of Bluray most of the people i know has a blu-ray player. Many of the first DVD players were unable to play both DL DVD's when they arrived or and DVD-R discs,plus some of the newer discs were unplayable or caused major problems.  So what is the difference with having some Blu-ray players only having the 1.1 or 1.0 profile? Well for one even if  blu-ray player doesn't have the 2.0 standard you are still able to view the disc. A lot of the blu-ray players can be upgraded to the 2.0 standard by a simple firmware upgrade.

Argos, here in the UK, have a Blu-ray player for £97 which works out to about $145. I know someone who works in management in Argos and they had just over 60 of the players at both local sores here. they ALL sold out in the run up to Xmas and were unavailable to order because the warehouse stocks ran dry due to demand. I can remember this happening when the cheaper DVD players began appearing and then DVD caught on.

HD on demand via the internet will fail here in the UK due to sever bandwidth limitations set by the ISP's. People are now being offered the choice of buying extra bandwidth because the limits are so bad that even online channels like BBCiPLayer takes up too much of your bandwidth to be viable. So imagine trying to stream or download HD movies.

itunes has only succeeded because an ipod or the iphone is the in thing to have and with today's society the way it is your seen as a joke and a loser if you don't own one amongst the younger generation.

HDTV's are now owned by everyone i know. Hell, even my parents have one and they're in their 70's. It really makes me laugh when i hear people say that blu-ray won't take off because an upscalling DVD player can make a standard DVD look comparable to a 1080p HD movie. They either need to get a better TV because there's is crap or go to specsavers to get their eye tested. Maybe on a 720p tv the results would be closer because of both the upscaling of the DVD but also that either the player or the TV has to downscale the 1080p source to 720p, so not a very good test.

The gadget show, here in the UK, did a test between what is considered the best upscaling DVD player and a Blu-ray player. They got 2 identical 1080p TV's and played the DVD & Blu-Ray of Iron man side by side. Their conclusions were that there was a huge step up in clarity and detail and everything looked so much better on the HD version.

I wonder how much sales of Blu-Ray players would escalate if a certian Saga got a blu-ray release?

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Hey Ady, 

I was mistaken about the smaller AT-AT guns not firing. I watched the 2004 box set of Empire and noticed that they did fiire, but it was kind hard to catch. Perhaps you could make them more noticeable.

 

Btw, you seem to avoid responding to any of my inquiries, what gives?

sorry. I've had a look back a few pages but i can't see them. Can you repost what you originally said  because they seem to have got lost with everything that's been posted lately

And here's the new clip. it's only brief but it's a new sequence i've just been working on.

New Asteroid sequence Split Screen Comparison - XVID -approx 17mb

Enjoy...

New clip coming soon......

C3PX said:

You said it Axia! For once we can agree! A well executed movie will use the audience well, entertain them and really get them into the story, Ep. III did a bang up job of putting people to sleep, most definitely a waste of a good audience.

That is so true. EP 3 was the only star wars movie, in fact only movie EVER,  ever that my kids all fell asleep in the cinema. I wasn't far behind

The Golden Idol said:

The Golden Idol said:

I'm not sure if it was mentioned or not, but when Yoda chews on Luke's food stick thing, I believe there's a crunching sound, but when Luke takes it back, it's whole. Maybe remove a small piece off the top?

 

Did this bother anyone else?

yeh, i mentioned a while ago that i would be trying to fix that