adywan

rcb said:

JediMasterFisher said:

THat image is beautiful omg! :D

 

 so ady, 2010 is the absolute confirmed release of ESBR? or is that just a goal you're making for yourself? i'm getting to excited to wait!

2010 is the goal i have set but there may still be a slim chance of the Xmas 2009 release. the main factor against this happening at the moment is money. building these sets and everything else is costing a lot more than i had originally anticipated. I desperately need the Fine Molds Millennium Falcon before i can begin to build the hangar set because of getting the scale right. The same goes with the asteroid canyon scene. but with the only Fine Molds models i can find are on Ebay and are about £200, a quarter of that is just shipping to the Uk, its just a case of saving up as much as i can and preying there is still one available when i get the cash. Then there is the problem of building these huge sets but living in a 1 bedroom flat and still being able to live in this place with these huge sets in my front room. That's going to be fun. Its all going to have to be done one set at a time. Then there is the depressing thought that as soon as that one set is complete and filmed it will all have to be smashed up and disposed of so i can move onto the next one.  I'm not looking forward to that.

Tobar said:

Hey Ady, I was just glancing at the excellent comparisons you have in the first post when I noticed something:

Were these just temporary starfields?

starfields is one thing that has never bothered me. the last thing you should be looking at in a space sequence is the stars. i never wanted to use generated starfields and instead wanted to use original starfields from the stare was movies . you will get repeated starfields because there is only so much area i can grab and combine to use to create a very hi res starfield that can be used for panning shots and fast movement. Its the same starfield i used for ANH:R and no one commented on that so i'm not too bothered by repeated star clusters. lol

vaderios said:

here :)

Still i like the sky has a bit more blue to popup

 

-Angel

the thing is that the sky was never blue in the original. the 2004 set was completely blue in that shot so when i did the colour correction i gave the land mass and the sky a bit of definition. But ,even though its hard to notice in that scene, its actually snowing when Luke chats to Han so it should have that cloudy and misty feel to that shot.

Desidious said:

Hi, Mr. Adywan, as you can see I've never posted in this forum but I visit this tread quite often so as many other people I'm anxiously waiting the release of Episode V Revisited. First of all, I'd like to congratulate you for your terrific work with Episode IV, to me it IS the definitive version of the classsic.

Recently I watched Yoda's second sneak peek, where he's digitally enhanced... I'm very impressed. Having said that, I still have two suggestions... the first is that he needs to blink more; I mean, those little details you've added really make the difference between a nice puppet and a believable character but the pace needs to be faster; and second, he also needs to look forward or at least not looking squint.

Thanks for your work, Mr. Adywan, every single fan around the world now owes you one.

Greetings from México.

Desidious.

Welcome to the forum Desidious and Burdokva.

When adding any emotives to a puppets face there is a danger of adding too much. subtle will always look more natural. i have studied the actors in the scenes with Yoda to see how often they blink and if you watch the scenes you will see that you hardly catch a blink by them so it seems right that you would only catch a few with Yoda now and then. Also i have tried to add some eye movement but this just ended up looking really fake so i have decided against that.

Sevb32 said:

So will Wednesdays be the day for Ady's weekly "Select" still from ESB:R? We got our first one on Wednesday.

No, it will be every Thursday leading up to the release of the trailer on the 21st May, which is also a Thursday. The first one was posted on a Thursday GMT.

Here is a message from Darth Neo over at the forum:

Hi everybody,

This weekend StarWarsArchives is making a new start. Over the past 1.5 years I have been getting a lot of comments on the site, most of them very positive, but also negative ones about the functionality of the website.
I agree with most of the negative comments and I have been working to sort out the bugs and make the site more user-friendly.
As a result I am making a fresh start for the site with the earlier promised higher resolution images in the galleries and higher resolution video's (including the ones from the ESB documentary).

It has bugged me in the past that not many serious people would come to the forums. It also seemed that it was not very clear that there was a forum for StarWarsArchives. In the new layout there is more room to promote the forum (and its sister forum for other classics). I will close the regular registration for the forums this weekend because it has given me too many headaches with all the spam and bogus registrations and people that get left out unintentionally. Instead I will invite people to send me an email with a requested username to get access to the forums. At least now I know that the registrations will be genuine and I won't waste time to filter out the spam and other bogus registrations by hand. Of course all members are free to invite others to do the same (the more the merrier).

There are also people who have a problem with the whole Flash thing. I personally love Flash and will stick to it, but I have tried to get as much usability into it as possible. In my mind the website is an experience (yes, including my selections of music) rather that just taking and taking whatever content is in there. I have tried to get a new form of gallery where you can search through all the images that are in it but that is not possible for now. It is possible to do that in Flash but the PHP functions are not supported with my provider. I would have to change to a more expensive provider and that is not an option right now. I have checked the new website for usage on more platforms, but I do hope the people will contact me if they run into problems instead of bitching about the site on other forums. If I don't know there a problem I won't be able to fix it.

What has bugged me a lot in the past personally is the scattered ways my news is presented (ticker on the main site, a blog and the updates on the forum). I have made a whole new xml news system that is set up on the main site. The ticker and the blog will be deleted. I will continue to post images in the forum but the main website will become the place for news regarding finds and updates.


I also intend to delete the special contributor’s forums. These were intended to share special images between the serious collectors and keep them from the hands of the leechers and to get people to share more to become a contributor on the forum. Since both goals have not been successful I see no reason to keep the special forums (any objections please let me know).

And now for the big one this weekend:
ALL CONTENT FROM THE MAIN SITE WILL BE DELETED..............
I have a few options, to painstakingly change the low-res content into high-res content or to start fresh. Since it also was my intention to better divide and subdivide the galleries I think the best option is to start fresh (I have too much sorting out as it is). All content will return in the future but will be unavailable as of this weekend. If you haven't saved stuff you really want you should do so before the weekend.

Since the focus of StarWarsArchives has shifted over the past year from the main site to the forums it is also my intention to post most special rare images to the main site and keep them there. The site has been my baby and I want to keep my focus there. Of course I won't allow others to take those images from the main site and post them in the forums.

I guess that's about it. Feel free to comment (positively of negatively :-) )

Expect some big surprises for the re-introduction of StarWarsArchives :-)

Cheers,

Darth Neo

Sevb32 said:

Oh man I wish Ady would have one SELECT image every week from his edit kind of like Lucas did leading up to the release of AOTC and ROTS.

 

It's hard to wait!

nice idea.

So here's the first one......

i guess i'm just a bit cranky today cuz i've been up for 3 days solid so i could get the last few shots of yoda finished and out the way. Pumped full of energy drinks isn';t the best time for me to come here and read this thread i guess. lol

OMG is this thread serious?

AxiaEuxine said:

I am sure I don't speak for just myself when I say I enjoy the EU, enjoy it immensely. Adywan has revealed that he intends to destroy the entire EU with his plans for ROTJ:R. I for one love your work Adywan and I respect that you dont want to ADD anything from the EU into your Revisted trilogy but pleeeeease dont make the entire EU irrelevant by killing off Lando, or any other major character.

Im begging here Adywan. Begging I tell ya.

i have to thank you for proving my reasons why i have stated so many times why the EU will have nothing to do with my Revisited edits. It stifles any form of creativity when creating a fan edit. Episodes 1 -6 is all that count in these edits and i personally don't give a rats ass if something i do ruins the EU. For gods sake you really need to learn what a fan edit actually is. the clue is in the title. Is isn't something that is supposed to be canon. It is an editor bringing HIS (or her) vision of a certain movie to life. They are what path they believe a movie should take. To hell with the EU. I have stayed away from most the EU and now i know why. I stated in my ESB:R thread that i won't be budging on my decision to kill off Lando in ROTJ:R and that the only way i won't go through with it is if i can't accomplish what i want convincingly, yet you decide to start a thread to try and get the support to make me change my mind. IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN SO PLEASE GIVE IT A REST. There are plenty of Star Wars edits out there and if you don't like something i do then why not do your own?

AxiaEuxine said:

It does and I will but I know nothing of film editing and have no interest in learning. I have enough time-sucking hobbies.

Well i knew almost nothing about editing when i started ANH:R but i was committed enough to bother to learn. But as you said you can't be bothered to learn so please don't be offended when i just ignore your begging about ruining the damn EU if you can't be bothered to do something about it yourself.

Its not as if the Revisited edits are now to replace the originals. they are still out there and available and your precious EU follows them. but don't expect mine to worry about anything that happens in the EU because it won't. I really don't know how many more times and how much more clearly i can explain this. If you don't get it after all this then i just give up.

EyeShotFirst said:

having lando die at the end of return of the jedi escaping the death star explosion sounds like a RIP OFF of shadows of the empire on easy mode where Dash Rendar dies escaping skyhooks explosion. Sounds exactly the same.

Well i have never played SOTE of even seen the game so even if that was how he was to die i certainly wouldn't be ripping it off. I always had an idea almost straight after seeing ROTJ in 1983 that Lando should have died. i had even planned it and wrote it down and i still have the outline i wrote. it took away the rehash of ANH feeling i had away from it. One thing i couldn't understand is why the hell would the emperor not protect the main core from torpedoes after what happened to the original DS? That just didn't make sense and still doesn't. My original outline was what if they reached the core and the torpedoes had no impact at all on the shielding. what do they do? the only ship large enough to do any sort of damage was the falcon. i had planned to have lando ram the core as he screams "yeeehaa" and it is wedges X-wing that you see just escaping the death star just before it explodes. But bloody independence day went and did it. i still love that idea but can i still do it now that film came out? i don't know. i may have to find an alternative ending somehow. now after the SE came out and the PT there was an extra part i wanted to see after the DS explodes which ties in all the celebrations around the galaxy. that, i am keeping secret for now.

So please stop thinking that applying any form of pressure to get me change my mind will ever work because it won't. I'm a Taurus so a stubborn bugger. lol

EyeShotFirst said:

can we not have a poll. on the subject.

Han Dies

Lando Dies

Neither Dies

 

oh god. a poll about who does or doesn't die?  you can't seriously think that i'll even bother to look at it let alone change my mind.

god this is just getting out of control now. I seriously think i need a break from all this crap for a long time.

vaderios said:

And if the ESB and ROTJ wishlist thread fails to capture the off topic convs why not someone opens one specific thread for ROTJ:R to fill everyone's fetish :)

-Angel

 

please, no one open a ROTJ:R thread. i will do that when the time comes.

Savage said:

Agreed. Although I'm guilty of it myself. :)

I'm still wondering if anyone has further thoughts on the amount of time that elapses between the Falcon's landing and eventual escape from Bespin.

I'd say that it was within the same day, 2 at the most. they land at sunrise and escape at sunset.

Kurtyboy said:

Don't know if these have been discussed before but they always bothered me.

As Luke watches the Falcon blast out of the rebel base his head turns but doesn't seem to be synced with the falcon, like he's looking in the wrong direction.

that's already been fixed

Sevb32 said:

So i guess if Han dies how are we gonna see the celebration scene with the Ewoks, Han ,Luke, Leia?

Again I beg and plead for a purist version if any major character bites it.

Han isn't going to die. And again i state that there will never be a purist version of ROTJ:R

EyeShotFirst said:

No god no dont kill them. Why is it that everytime a movie full of white folks the only cool brother gotta die.

Well you win the award of making my idea of killing off Lando sound like a racist one. lol

Sevb32 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

ROTJ definitely needs a complete restructuring. There is a good movie in that mediocre jumble somewhere, but it can't be brought out by new effects and continuity polishes - it *needs* major story changes, in some ways more so than the prequels.

While I'm pretty sure Ady said there will be *no* purist version for Empire, I think it's a real possibility for Jedi.

And yeah, ESB:R will definitely not be done by Christmas. I'd say spring/summer 2010. May 21, 2010 would be really cool - 30 years to the day after its theatrical release.

 

From what I've seen there is no need for a purist version of Empire:R since there are no major story changes.  ROTJ on the other hand if he's gonna ax Lando I beg and plead for a purist version.

there will be no purist version of ROT:J ever. There was a reason why i did a purist version for ANH:R and that reason doesn't count for ROTJ:R. In fact i might run a competition sometime to see if anyone can figure out the real reason behind the purist edition. Some of the changes will be controversial but these changes need to happen. Jedi really needs that bitter sweet ending and an ending to wrap up the whole saga. it also needs to steer away from being a rehash of ANH. The idea was there from the beginning, as can be seen in Han's line, but that lead nowhere. I'm not going to budge on the ending, i'm afraid. in fact the only thing that will make me change my mind is if i can't pull it off convincingly

AuggieBenDoggie said:

"Sevb32" said:

So my hope of ESB:R being done by Christmas 2009 are dashed?

 I second that sevb32; Ady what happened to the Christmas 2009 deadline?

The Xmas 2009 deadline went out of the window the second i needed to make and film new model elements

Serji-X Arrogantus said:

Boards such as the the Replica Prop Forum http://www.therpf.com/ and the Replica Prop Board http://theukpropparty.yuku.com/ have guys making Studio Quality Miniatures of Star Wars models and Costumes etc... that would be perfect for some of the shots, there are even Stop Motion Replicas of the Taun Taun and the AT-ST getting built.

Although it would be great to have the guys from this forum on board the problem would be filming the models. I can't see, and i certainly wouldn't want to risk anyone lending me these models in order to film them. too many risks of damage in transit involved for me to take the risk

Ziz said:

Ady,

I asked this in the other thread, but since it's kind of a crossover question...since you're going to have to take time out to generate so many models and such to create new shots for ESB:R, when do you think you'll be at a stopping point to shift sideways and whip up ROTJ AVCHD?  At least complete that set for us while we wait for Revisited.

there probably isn't going to be any stopping point. i'll still be working on the video aspects of ESB:R while i am building the models so its all non stop work until the video side of things is finished. The AVCHD project is probably dead until 2010

Bingowings said:

vaderios said:

ImperialFighter said:

Considering how good the new background looks in the ION Cannon shot too, I just wonder what the final look of some of the shots of the AT-AT battle might also show....

I double hope for that ;) Considering the continuous Sky/weather/Sun changing.

Fingers Crossed :)

 

-Angel

 

I've got my fingers crossed for a few more AT-STs (seeing them back in 1980 was super cool) I know they only appeared from the side in two shots but it made the Empire seem a bit bigger (like the Tie Bombers) because they had a few items in their armoury which they only broke out for specific jobs (in this case scouting around).

there are only a handful of backgrounds that really need changing in the battle. As for more AT-St's in the battle, unless i can find someone who can produce a movie quality CG animation or make a stop motion model its going to be a no go for adding any more.

Sevb32 said:

RoccondilRinon said:

 

Was watching ESB:GOUT tonight and made a new observation.

If you look outside the base doors as they’re being closed, it’s very dark outside (you can see twilight on the horizon), but in the next scene (Luke’s vision and Han finding him) it’s still daylight. The distance between the two locations would not be sufficient to explain the difference in light levels; it’d have to be at least a few hundred miles on an Earth-sized planet. If we take the idea that only equatorial Hoth is habitable (borne out in the EU but also by a simple consideration of the basic physics involved), that minimum stretches to 1000 miles. Darkening the second scene would help continuity and also (in my opinion) add tension. Should be quite simple to achieve compared to the rest of what Adywan’s doing for this film. Your thoughts, Ady?

 

 

Also when Luke collapses before seeing Kenobi's spirit, I hate how the amount of snow on Luke changes from shot to shot. From a lot to a little and back.

the scene was darkened for the SE. plus twilight would seem a lot lighter when outside due to the snow coverage. i hate the way the amount of snow on luke changes too but there isn't much i can do about it i'm afraid.

Chrille said:

adywan said: I want the battle to put the opening ROTS one to shame for scale. that alone is going to cost me a fortune to pull off because i need to build new models and a few full size cockpit sets as well as a few creatures and costumes

If it would save you money, ady, maybe you could tone down the battle in Reveng of the Sith a bit when you get to that edit? I always felt that the ROTS one was too cluttered, there is so much going on at once it's making me disy, and it's hard to even make out who's firing at whom. By decluttering it you could hopefully save a little money in ROTJ:RV, and sort of allow ROTJ and ROTS to meet in the middle, to borrow a phrase from ben dancer.

Enigmas said:

I'll admit, alot of EU is garbage, but for the sake of the good stuff, I hope Adywan doesn't kill off Lando and the Falcon or have Boba Fett dodge getting eaten by the Sarlacc Pit. Or anything too dramatic.

i don't want to have to tone down the ROTS battle just to save a lot of work and money on ROTJ:R. Ifr its going to be done i want it to be done right. The new ROTJ ending will need a lot of FX work and it needs the bitter-sweet ending that it would originally have had. this is supposed to be the fight to end all fights yet our heros escape unharmed (apart from a flesh wound with Leia). As i have said before the EU has nothing to do with the Revisited edits so i'm not too bothered if some of my decisions screw with the EU. I have the ROTJ:R ending already planned in my head which will take away the rehash of ANH feeling i always get when watching ROTJ. But you have to wait a few years to find out what i really have planned. lol

Bewy said:

In a desperate attempt to come back on topic :D :

I may have mentioned it some time ago, but I've noticed quite some continuity error during the Cloud City escape; indeed, we see Chewie sitting in the cockpit, and 3PO is visible in the background. Yet, right after this short shot, we see R2 dragging his friend on the floor, and he was not visible in the previous shot, where we should have seen him at least arrive and attach wires to 3PO or something like that.

yes, i will be doing something to address this continuity error.

Asteroid-Man said:

That was very impressive! The only thing that bothered me was how brown Yoda looked...

Yoda should have a brown colouring to him. he always has ever since 1980 in that scene. Its all to do with the way the scene is lit. the orange glow from the fire will change the green colouring somewhat. but you can tell he is still green.

Matticon said:

Wow, this forum went way off topic for awhile.

 

Ady, with all the stuff you have planned you will need to do some sub-contracting. That is too much for a one man job! I need to learn some video editing programs and help you out! Or perhaps we could get some people making costumes, building sets etc...

The one thing that i love about doing these edits is that i am learning new ways to do thing all the time. I prefer to do as much of the work needed myself rather than get someone else to do it. CG work is the one thing that i would have to pass onto someone else to do because i just can't get a grip with 3D programs. But if i can do it with a model or set piece then thats what i would prefer to use.

doubleofive said:

Hey Ady!  I built you a new TIE Fighter model for the shots you're redoing!

Admittedly, its a little small, and its starting to stink.  Just realized I should have used a blue egg...

More Pics

love it. now i can add more TIEs to the Bespin escape. lol

doubleofive said:

I think the answer lies with Ady buying one of these:

Master Replicas Studio Scale Falcon

and inserting it into whatever mattes need work.  At least, that would be the most awesome answer.

That would be a dream come true if i could get one of those. there are some shots that i need to replace the falcon and it would be invaluable for ROTJ:R , but alas that would just be a pipe dream at that price. I have been looking into getting one of the fine molds Millennium Falcons because with a little work i can get it to match the studio model, but again that's out of my price range at the moment with everything else i need to purchase. oh well

Monroville said:

FINAL SCENE WITH REBEL FLEET:
clips seen here and here:

Whether the galaxy shots are changed to something else (to show the fleet hiding in a nebula or around a black hole, etc), the galaxy is modified with a better looking one or you bring the galaxy closer so we can see the spiral arms in the other fleet shots, is there any way to maybe make the fleet bigger as well as work on some of the ships?

If not add new designs or slightly mod the ones we currently see (like maybe make the "neck" on the frigate Luke and Co. are on a bit thicker, as it seems rather flimsy and an easy way to get the ship destroyed), I say the flight paths of the ships could definitely use some work.  Watch the second clip and look at how the frigate is moving in comparison with the other ships - is it just me or does that look a little awkward?

Maybe you could just change the transport on the lower left to point to the left from the get-go so it doesn't look like it's about to ram the frigate... and could we make the frigate engines orange or blue too?

Also, at 7:01, would it be conceivable to make the docking arm thicker or move it to where the portal Lando went out to get Luke on Bespin?

And could we open a button or two on Lando's shirt (at 7:04)?  I'm not gay or anything but he looks like a dork with the shirt buttoned all the way up; no self-respecting playa would wear a shirt like that.

And at 7:55, maybe the medical droid in the background could move a little bit?

I won't be changing the galaxy shot at the end. thats one thing i have always loved and i can't see why many want it changing. there are a couple of shots at the beginning of the scene where it needs its position changing  to fix continuity problems but thats about it.

that rebel transport that almost rams the frigate has always bugged me as has the static ships in the background. nothing looks right in that shot at all. I've tried a few things to eliminate the transport but because it covers the front end of the frigate i can't see  a way of eliminating it yet. this will probably be one of the last shots i do.

the neck on the frigate as well as the docking arm don't need changing to me. the thickness wouldn't matter in space due to having no gravity. just look on our space stations just how flimsy they are build yet the docking section of that is fine for the shuttle.

The medical droid issue has already been fixed.

and why open a button on Landos shirt? got to admit, that does sound gay. lol

so far i have worked out what i need to build to accomplish this edit:

New rebel hangar model to replace the matte shots including a studio quality rebel transport
New Wampa plus arm with articulated hand
Inside of Slug Mouth
Extra snowspeeder models
Large hangar exterior model to replace mattes
Shield generator model
A few extra ships for the end fleet to replace obvious matte of background ships

there are a few other small things that may need making also. So many things left to do so i'm glad i gave ESB:R a 2010 deadline

just search for "star wars avchd" on demonoid and you'll find them

Sevb32 said:

Yeah but I am talking about the scenes where I have seen people complaining about it being CG when I know it was a model. Like Kenobi walking to the Youngling training room, etc.

Don't worry i do a lot of research when doing these edits so i'll only be replacing shots that need to be changed or if i have changed the action to a different place which would need a different backdrop.

but all this is about 3 years away yet before i even get to the PT

Sevb32 said:

adywan said:

Sevb32 said:

You can't replace a whole skyline reaching miles with a model!

 

 

I'm on about the interior of the temple with mace, Obi-Wan and yoda. the exteriors look fine but the interiors sometimes look terrible. you really don't like anything done to the PT do you. lol

Just make sure what you're replacing is really CG and not a model, you might be surprised what was a model and what wasn't. More physical models were built for each prequel than the entire OT combined. Check out the "Sculpting a Galaxy" book.

 

i have the "sculpting a galaxy" book and its actually pretty easy to spot when a miniature was used and when a CG background was used without even looking in that book. the jedi temple scene being one of them

a lot of the problems with the PT looking like a video game is the colouring, which i will be sorting out

Sevb32 said:

You can't replace a whole skyline reaching miles with a model!

 

I'm on about the interior of the temple with mace, Obi-Wan and yoda. the exteriors look fine but the interiors sometimes look terrible. you really don't like anything done to the PT do you. lol

yeh, ROTJ:R needs to be done before i tackle the PT because i need as much practice at new FX skills as possible to tackle those films and ROTJ will be a great stepping stone to get those skills. I'm hoping to replace some of the obvious CG backgrounds, eg the jedi temple, with physical models

Darth Ideias said:

I just wanted to be safe because I am making my own project. ......

I am a christian and need to be on the safe side.......

What the hell is this supposed to mean? Why do you think you won't be safe doing this Star Wars project because you are a Christian?

Darth Ideias said:

When you join tell me your name and what church you came from. It will be very strict. If you lie about being a christian I will have to ask you a few questions on OT.com. Ok, it begins now. Place your name and what church you go to. I will be as nice as I can. I can't take catholic, not because I hate Catholics. I just want to be on the safe side. If I get like spam form you guys I am deleting my account and I will have to start all over again so be careful. I know This is long to read. 

Well i can almost guarantee that you have alienated most of this forum straight away by this. why do members of this forum have to tell you their name and what church they go to? Most people here use a screen name for anonymity and its highly unlikely that they are going to give a complete stranger those kind of details. What is so important about a Star wars project that it can be for Christians only? And telling members to "be careful" is just going to rub everyone up the wrong way. You have given no information about what the project is yet want anyone interested, that has to be Christian, all those details? Are you trying to round members up for some sort of Christian religious star wars cult or something.

maybe you have given me an idea for a new Star wars project of my own. A star wars movie about the Dark side. So only Satanists can contact me because i need to stay safe so i need to know what sect you belong to and how many virgins you have sacrificed. but if you spam me i'll just think about deleting my account but just decide that i need to get a life and continue my work here.

An no i am not a Satanist before anyone gets the wrong idea. lol

You just don't get the whole Star Wars saga and its community at all do you. peoples religious beliefs should never be a cause to alienate people from the Star Wars universe. You should respect everyone's different beliefs and you shouldn't even have to ask them what religion they are if you are truly a Star wars fan.

You sir, have restored by faith in being an atheist. It is single minded and bigoted people like you that alienate anyone who's beliefs don't match your own and that is one of the main reasons why the world is such a shitty place to live in today. thank you and don't let the forum hit your ass on the way out.  lol

well let me start off by saying sorry about the April Fools joke. i just couldn't resist it. the actual Wampa puppet won't be finished for a few months yet

Sluggo said:

I asked before, but did Ady add extra static to Luke and Han's comlinks on the wampa clip?

no, the soundtrack is the same as the 2004 version.

rcb said:

DarthRayne said:Does anyone else have a problem with the speed at which the tauntaun runs across the screen? It looked odd to me somehow.

 

 i kinda thought the same thing.

Again, this isn't a finished shot because i am still working on this shot as you can see here:

ben_danger said:

am i right in assuming that all the rebels in ESB are merely just one group of rebels, including the fleet at the end? one big PT/OT divide is the alien variation. we only ever see aliens in bars in the OT mainly, and one would assume that the rebellion would be full of them!

I've always thought that we only see a small section of the Rebel alliance in ESB & ANH and that we don't get to see the full scale of the Rebellion until ROTJ. My new ending of ROTJ will have a larger fleet attacking the Death Star, including a few more pilots but also it will tie up the question why there are so many celebrations around the galaxy so quickly after the Emperors death when there would be such a large Imperial presence left in the Galaxy. But you'll have to wait for this because i'm not giving up any hints of the ending until ROTJ:R is released. I want the battle to put the opening ROTS one to shame for scale. that alone is going to cost me a fortune to pull off because i need to build new models and a few full size cockpit sets as well as a few creatures and costumes

The Golden Idol said:

Ady, I did notice a small error in the clip. One of the tauntaun's blinks is weird, because theres a SECOND EYELID coming out from underneath the outer one! This is only present on one of the blinks. Will this be fixed?

it's ok. that is just added for tracking purposes. the finished shot won't have the second eyelid

sorry, had a few peoblems uploading anything tonight so i had to pop down to my daughters house and upload it from here PC and only just got back. anyway here it is

NEW WAMPA -XVID 20mb approx

TheTome said:

Well I drink pickle brine when I'm hungover, but most people seem to think thats a bit strange, so I recommend it's close substitute, poweraid.

Well Ice Cream works wonders for me or an ice lolly. anything really cold and the headache goes away very quickly and i'm almost back to normal.

well i didn't get much done last night and today because i went to my daughters BBQ yesterday and i have the mother of all hangovers today. The chances of getting any of the BTS footage into the clip is almost none existent. But i will still post the clip later tonight. i've just one shot to finish because i had forgotten to remove the footprints in the snow when the probe crashes. so it will be a few hours away yet but should only be 4 to 5 hours before it gets posted

DF Shadow said:

"you WILL get to see a brief glimpse of the new wampa. I've got to admit i'm pretty nervous about revealing this but i though it best to reveal it earlier just in case it doesn't work and i'm looking at it with too favourable eyes just because i built it. but anyway you'll see soon. hopefully it will be ready & online by tomorrow night  and maybe even earlier"

 

^^ That's awesome.............I wasn't expecting it so soon. Thanks AdY! And I'm sure it'll look fine bTw. Now I'll be checking in on the board every few hours, lol.

It's only going to be the first reveal at the beginning of the movie. i'll leave the cave sequence for its final release

wow, my comments really stirred something up with the PT crowd.

Dangerous Incorporated said:

I dont think the PT should really be touched that much. If you dont like them then dont watch them let alone re-edit them. It sounds like your planning on sabotaging them Ady.

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Obviously if Im saying that he shouldnt watch them if he doesnt like them then Im not going to watch his Revisit of the PT if he ends up sabotaging it based on his dislike for them. If he doesnt like them then why touch them? Its not that hard a concept to grasp I dont think. He just should stick to the OT and not watch the PT just as I wont watch his PT if he sabotages them based on his dislike for them.

Dangerous Incorporated said:

DarkFather said:

If he doesn't like them, why touch them?

Because he sees the potential there to make something decent, via hard work in editing.

"It's not that hard a concept to grasp"

Not at the expense of damaging the movie though. Ripping them apart as he puts it doesnt sound positive. Anyway I was over this 2 posts ago but some of you SW fans can really hold a grudge!! None of this is ESB related.

 

AxiaEuxine said:

adywan said:

i just can't wait to get my hands on those PT moies so i can rip them to shreds.

 

 gawd you depress me so much when you say things like that. I love ANHR and ESBR seems to be right on track as far as quality and vision goes. Yet your vision of the pequels seems to be the same as everyone elses and that means gutting them. With everything you've said that you are taking out of the prequels there doesnt seem to be enough material left for one movie, let alone three. Im just sad I wont have a revisited prequel trilogy to go along with the OTR.

Sevb32 said:

I think some people have huge adult egos that when anything slapstick or childlike, their "I'm an ADULT and too sophisticated to enjoy that" ego prevents them from liking it.

 

Than being said, if you added up all the slapsticky moments in TPM they would likely take up less than 2 minutes screentime.

ok, where the hell does it say that i don't like the PT? i have NEVER stated that i hate it anywhere. In fact i have, on numerous occasions, stated that i do somewhat enjoy the PT but that they just don't fit with the feel of the OT and that they are substandard movies compared to the OT. This is a fact. The PT will NEVER be looked upon as classic movies the same way that the OT was. Adult egos preventing people from liking them? are you serious? i'm totally fed up with a minority trying to make excuses as to why the PT is hated so much. If this was supposed to be the reason why the PT is hated so much and why i think they are bad movies then why the hell am i enjoying the clone wars series so much? isn't that aimed at a younger audience? That threw that crappy reason right out the window didn't it? If i hated the PT so much then why would i be willing to sacrifice at least 6 years of my life to work on them?

There is good in them. they have only forgotten their true self

They are bad movies that really screwed up the Star Wars universe. Its as if they were made by two completely different people. the guy who made the PT would be one that had never watched the OT which caused him to make so many mistakes that it was embarrassing. then he goes back to the other guys movies and changes those so his fit in better even though they were made many years later. It has nothing to do with "adult egos" as you say. if that's the case then why do so many kids love the OT but think the PT is garbage? If i hated the PT so much as you say then why the hell would i have kept the "episode IV" title in ANH? surely i could have changed that to "Episode I" which would have eliminated the PT totally from Revisited.

The two trilogies just don't mesh together. It has nothing to do with visuals but the style in which the PT was edited, written and directed. In the OT the story and humour can appeal to both kids and adult alike. So why doesn't the PT? because the whole trilogy talks down to the audience. Why is everything explained so much all the time. Does he think the audience won't get it unless its completely spelt out at the expense of the movie? Just look at Ric Olie in TPM. he's almost a narrator. why does he have to explain everything that is going on when we can plainly see that?

"there's the blockade"... duh, yes we can see that
"That's it. Tatooine".. why bother saying that at all? we have been told a few times already that they are heading for Tatooine and now when he says this we have seen the planet. yeh so Luke may have explained that what we see was dagobah but it was part of a conversation with R2 and placed as a reply not an obvious and unneeded statement
Courscant. the entire planet is one big city. There's Chancellor Vallorum's shuttle. and look over there. Senator Palpatine is waiting for us.".... Is this one of those read along books or a movie. The visuals clearly show whats going on. talking down to the audience at the worse level here. Chancellor vallorum is introduced by palpatine so no need for Ric Olie to say who it is.

Its all this type of thing that ruins the movies for many people.

Now the humour is again totally different in the OT and the PT. OK ROTJ became a stepping stone for the low quality of humour we were to see in the PT. All the slapstick is too "in your face" and in many wrong places which ruins what is supposed to be a serious scene. Do we see any poop and fart jokes in the OT? No. Why? because the humour was of a higher calibre aimed at both kids and adults. i can almost see Lucas when he was writing it saying to himself.."lets make that creature fart" or " jar jar can step in a pile of crap. that will get a laugh for sure". Again this has nothing to do with so called "adult egos"

Now the main problem, apart from the acting & directing, is the editing. And this is what i meant by "ripping apart the PT". study the OT and the editing is tight. it never lingers on something longer than it should. now we get to the PT and so many times can you see where a scene or shot shout end but it lingers before the wipe or scene cut. You only have to check out the article about the "lost cut" of ANH to see just how different this movie could be if GL had edited the movie to his vision. You can see it HERE. You can also see GL's style when viewing the whole cantina scene that was from the Lost cut on the Behind the magic CD-ROM. The acting wasn't great in ANH but the editing turned what could have been a disaster into the great movie it became. You actually get a PT feel when you watch the lost cut footage or read the article descriptions of the editing. Can editing alone save these movies? no. but it can go a long way.

Now another thing that takes away the feel of the OT is the accents. In the OT the accents were British and American. Now in the PT we have all forms of accents for the creatures. its was as if they were too lazy to design a different sound for a creature that they went with over the top accents. It was obvious when they switched from studio filming in the UK to Australia and that changed the feel even more so. The Kiwi accent just didn't fit in the movies and that is nothing against that accent at all. You have all the clone troopers, who are supposed to be the link between the PT & the OT in that these were the PT's stormtroopers, speaking without an American accent. And please don't get me started on the abomination that was changing Boba Fetts voice in ESB just to try and fix the mess the PT created. Jango & Boba will have an American accent in the PT revisited, along with all the clone troopers but the troopers won't be all from Jango fett so will sound different, again helping the PT to tie in with the OT without having all the crappy EU stuff attempting to explain all this.this is nothing against other accents though. its all to do with what sounds right and what fits in. if i was just changing it because i have a problem with other accents then surely i would change all the accents to British?

If you don't want to watch my Revisited edits for the PT then no one is forcing you too. i certainly ain't going to lose any sleep if the PT lovers think i'm sabotaging their precious movies. GL has already done that for the rest of us. I got enough flack when i was doing ANH:R and then even more when it was released and still get it to this day. in the immortal words of Catherine Tate " Am i bovvered? Am i bovvered though? I ain't bovvered". Everyone has different tastes and i respect that but don't try to tell me that i'm sabotaging the PT by ripping it apart, even though you clearly knew nothing of what i have planned for those movies, or that i don't like them because of my adult ego when you know nothing about me or my viewing tastes and not expect me to defend these accusations, especially when you couldn't have pickled a worse time when i'm in so much agony i just want to rip something apart. lol

Now can we leave all this talk of the PT until i get round to Episode I please. there are already threads where you can discuss this. This is only for EPISODE V and anything that directly relates to this edit

One thing to remember though when making suggestions... Just because something is in the Pt doesn't mean that it should feature in the Revisited OT because there is a good chance that it will be omitted in the PT:R saga. as i have said before its the PT that should be changed to fit the OT and NOT the other way around

Now back on topic.....

I'm working on editing some of the BTS footage of the making of the wampa for the new clip. problem is that with my tooth gone and my voice changed somewhat with it missing i can't do the voice over i wanted to do so i may just leave out the BTS footage and just show the clip. But i did do some voice over while filming the clips so i may just use that. It will only be a short BTS and the full version including the filming of the new model and set elements will feature in full on the DVD-9 of ESB:R .I've got a bit of tweaking to do on the new wampa footage so it matched the original footage but so far it looks great. I've been able to articulate the mouth more than the original and also the face somewhat. But even though the sneak peak BTS footage may not make it to the final clip, you WILL get to see a brief glimpse of the new wampa. I've got to admit i'm pretty nervous about revealing this but i though it best to reveal it earlier just in case it doesn't work and i'm looking at it with too favourable eyes just because i built it. but anyway you'll see soon. hopefully it will be ready & online by tomorrow night  and maybe even earlier

Bingowings said:

Perhaps someone should do a worst of Star Wars project.

they already did. It's called the prequels.

(sorry i just couldn't resist that. lol)

well i have had an idea of what to replace Jedi Rocks with in ROTJ

ROTJ Jedi rocks replacement