adywan

but the trailer will be coming out on the 21st may to mark the greatest star wars movie and not the 19th so not a  bloody phatman menace celebration. lol

i just can't wait to get my hands on those PT moies so i can rip them to shreds.

HAHAHAHA

(can you tell i'm buzzing my tits off on painkillers at the moment? I cracked my whole canine tooth off and no chance of getting to a dentist anytime soon and the hsopital won't touch any dental work unless refered to them by a dentist. catch 22. thanks you the UK government for making our NHS so crap)

i'm going to maybe add a faint saber glow on lukes face only in a couple of closeups. the whole glow issue seems to have been overdone a bit in the PT but the bit where they swing the sabers around their heads in AOTC is going anyway so the other glows are so quick you hardly notice them anyway

R2's jets are also going in the PT so they won't be added in the OT. I hate all the bloody EU explanations for everything which is why all that crap is staying out of Revisited.

The rotating room is an interesting idea but just wouldn't work. i've been looking over that scene again and the scale of things is all messed up. the cloud car is too big when it reaches the building. either that or the lift on the side of the building is for midgets only. maybe it was the ugnaught only lift. lol. it does need a new matte. i was thinking about shrinking the window a bit but leia needs to be the focal point of that shot so that may not work. plus the window needs to be higher up on the building because the interior ceiling is too low down. Is it worth all the extra work to try and sort out the continuity mess though? i'm not so sure at the moment.

i won't be changing the way the xwing sets down on dagobah when yoda lifts it out the water. i've never had a problem with that scene.

G E Predator said:

rcb said:

only one month left til may! :)

 

Yep.  It'll mark the tenth anniversary of The Phantom Menace.

now i just want to crawl up and die. lol. i just didn't want to be reminded of that movie. that marked the year i first hated a star wars movie.

i haven't had the time to turn these into a PDF so here's the scans and hopefully someone will convert them to pdf

http://rapidshare.com/files/214642761/lost_scenes.rar

on another note i'm a bit cranky tonight because i just tried to rip my 2004 dvd bonus disc which i need for some stuff and it refuses to rip or even play now in my DVD player or PS3, yet there are no scratches. Not happy. i don't want to have to fork out another £30 odd just to get the bonus disc when i already have 2 copies of the 2004 set thanks to the GOUT. why couldn't this thing just have been sold separately

Savage said:

RE: Lightsaber reflections/glow

I remember discussing this back in the ANH:R days, especially in regards to Ben in the Cantina.  Someone did a mock-up that looked extremely convincing back then, but it was not to be incorporated into the final revision.  Maybe things have changed for Ady and he would want to give it a go this time around.  This is an effect I'm 100% in favor (or is that favour?).  As long as it is pulled off right (and this is Ady we're talking about, so I would expect nothing less), ambient glow bouncing off the environment would add more realism and cast a mood in certain scense, expecially inside the carbon freeze chamber.

If it's possible, I say do it!

yeh i remember that. there was a reason why i decided not to add the lighting into ANH:R and that was that if i had added it into ANH:R then i would need to add it into the other 5 movies. now i was looking ahead and this created all sorts of problems. mainly in ESB & ROTJ. Thats problem was Vader. it may look good when adding it to the human faces but there is a huge problem with Vader. the scenes are dark and there is no lighting on vaders mask in many of the shots. now to pull this thing off convincingly i would have to create a travelling matte of vaders helmet & face illuminated which is just too damn crazy to even attempt to pull off.  when the sabre glow hits vaders mask you would need to see the detail, which is none existent in most shots. while this would be possibly if he remain perfectly still, the only way to pull this off would be to create a 3d head and track every movement in every shot precisely then mask only the parts that need to be exposed. plus you would also have to match the trajectory of the lightsabre for the lighting on the 3d head.

this is why it wasn't in ANH:R and won't be featuring in th rest of the revisited saga i'm afraid.

plus if the lightsabres have to reflect upon its surrounding wouldn't that mean that i have to illuminate objects that laser blasts pass close too? i think it would. lol

i hope you all can see why i decided against it.

teharri said:

I am looking forward to the next official clip we get. Hope it is one from the duel.

It's highly likely you will see clips from the duel in the trailer but i'm actually thinking of giving you all a sneak peak at the behind the scenes short that i'm making of the wampa next week. it may even feature the final wampa footage with the new puppet if all goes to plan.

sorry its taking so long but i'm having problems with my scanner. hopefully this weekend i'll have it sorted

yeh it would mean scrapping the whole exterior scenes which i don't want to do.  there's also another issue when you see the corridor view that is outside the door that Lando & Chewie enters

as you can see there is another apartment entrance  next to leias and the window she is looking out of would actually be looking into the next door apartment. What a mess. i hate continuity issues...lol

so it needs a new matte that shows a smaller window and a matching one next to leias to help fix this issue to make the building look larger that it does at present

either that or just leave everything as it is which i'm more in favour of now.lol

yeh its the outdoor matte that is throwing everything out.  I've checked all the interior layout and have been able to map where the door that chewie and lando is in each shot. as you can see there is no way such a vast corridor , in fact no corridor at all, could be outside the second door that lando & chewie enters based on the exterior views. another nightmare. lol

doubleofive said:

doubleofive said:

And I hate to question you Ady, but are you sure that's where the window is:

I mean, the lighting must be all kinds of messed up since the shadows are on the back wall at the beginning, and now on the front or side?

EDIT: It looks like the corridor appeared along the back wall.  If you look at the shadows across the wall decor, they match perfectly with the establishing shot.  Maybe just insert that corridor in the first shot?

I overlayed the later shot over the establishing and confirmed:

yes i'm sure where the window should be logically but its not necessarily as it stands with the whole scene . if you turn that later shot into the same angle as the first one where han enters it creates a huge problem that chewie & Lando would both walk through a door that is at the side of the building which would lead directly to thin air and not to a vast corridor. the door behind han is actually the one that he originally entered from because you can see the plant by the side of the door but other door just wouldn't fit in its placement with what we see from the outside. neither the original or the SE matte helped with the confusion

i'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. where has the window that Leia looks out of gone? surely there should be a window instead of a corridor there?

but thats going to be hell, if not impossible, to fix so i may just leave this

Sevb32 said:

The fact there is glass in the ceilng is not lost on me. Yes bright lighting would be possible with the skylights, but the scene with her and Han inside really isn't that bright. And from the outside it definitely would not be as bright as shown in the window.

 

your forgetting one thing. you're all going by the 2004 colouring and not my colour correction. as you can see here there is hardly any difference between the brightness of the room in both shots. all that may need doing is to very slightly darken the shadows inside for the exterior shot

and there is already a small reflection on the window but you need to view the scene moving to see it.

and no more pink buildings. lol

Bingowings said:

TMBTM said:

Wayne Pygram who looks pretty much like a young Cushing

F...,  I never paid attention that young Tarkin is Scorpius from Farscape!

How can the final result look so bad :

When this test looked so spot on?

 

the bottom one was actually a make-up test for Christopher Eccleston (Doctor Who) which looked so much better than what we got.

Just a quick update....

I've fixed Vader's helmet wobble on the vane. It was a real pain to do and a few sleepless nights.

Now to answer some of the things recently mentioned...

1. i won't be adding any more TIE's to the Falcons escape from Bespin or Hoth. There is just no need to add any more. The Empire isn't trying to destroy the Falcon so why would they send a whole squadron of TIEs after them? When they escape Bespin the TIE's are just herding the Falcon towards the Executor. 4 is plenty for this

2. When the falcon jumps to lightspeed the angle is perfect as it is. so there will be no change there.

BarBar Jinkx said:

adywan said:

again interesting but this would be an unnecessary addition

May I Suggest using that as the background for the chapter selection page on the DVD!

 

its to damn good to go to waste ADY

 

 

damn, i don't want to even think about the DVD structure yet. I'm only half way through the film. lol

vaderios said:

Ady i forgot to ask, are you going to have any background changes to hoth battle so the weather is the same all the time?

-Angel

A few shots need the sky changing but i will be keeping most of them as they are now.

Sevb32 said:

Ady, something else to look at where the mattes meet the set footage on the SD bridge. Can these be smoothed and blended more/better? Where Vader walks the floor looks white/light gray and it is darker where the matte begins on the floor.

actually the matte is pretty good at representing the set lighting. as you can see from this pic the floor part of the matte has the light area so the set would have been illuminated so that vader was in a sort of a spotlight so you focus is drawn more towards him which wouldn't have worked so well of the floor and surrounding were brightly illuminated equally.plus the window matte doesn't end where you have pointed but the matte ends at floor level so no blending problems.

i have the issue. i should be able to scan it and make a pdf of the lost cut article

Dangerous Incorporated said:

adywan said:

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Uncanny Antman said:

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Yes its just before Han enters the command center. It was shown on the 1997 theatrical release but removed on the VHS release.

Mmmm.   Not to sound doubtful, but the "I saw it once but it was cut out on the VHS/DVD" memory phenomenon seems to happen a lot in the SW community.

 

 

It wasnt just me but a group of us that went and noticed we had never seen that shot before but when the VHS came out it wasnt on it.

there was only ever one version of the 1997 theatrical SE which all prints were taken from. the VHS & laserdisc were exactly the same as the theatrical release as they were taken from those prints. there was never an extra shot added before han enters the command centre. there was a bootleg VHS copy of ESB SE floating around which was filmed in the cinema and there was no extra shots. it was exactly the same as the VHS which is why i never kept it.  This is the same type of thing that happened with ANH when people swear that they saw Luke miss with the grappling hook and that the Luke & Biggs scene was shown in theatres. memory is a funny thing.

 

Some Canadian theatrical prints of the 1997 "Special Edition" contained an added scene just before Han is shown entering the command centre on Hoth. The shot is inside the command centre and focusses on a "white C-3PO" using a penlight on a glass map. Then, the movie continues as normal and Han is shown entering the command centre. This scene was not present on the video release.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080684/alternateversions

 

 I googled it and found on IMDB that there was a shot before Han entered the command center and that this isnt just me and my 5 friends thinking we remembered something. Its true that there was another scene.

Don't believe everything you read on IMDB. Anyone can add so called facts on this site. they add them all the time and many have been proved wrong.

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Uncanny Antman said:

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Yes its just before Han enters the command center. It was shown on the 1997 theatrical release but removed on the VHS release.

Mmmm.   Not to sound doubtful, but the "I saw it once but it was cut out on the VHS/DVD" memory phenomenon seems to happen a lot in the SW community.

 

 

It wasnt just me but a group of us that went and noticed we had never seen that shot before but when the VHS came out it wasnt on it.

there was only ever one version of the 1997 theatrical SE which all prints were taken from. the VHS & laserdisc were exactly the same as the theatrical release as they were taken from those prints. there was never an extra shot added before han enters the command centre. there was a bootleg VHS copy of ESB SE floating around which was filmed in the cinema and there was no extra shots. it was exactly the same as the VHS which is why i never kept it.  This is the same type of thing that happened with ANH when people swear that they saw Luke miss with the grappling hook and that the Luke & Biggs scene was shown in theatres. memory is a funny thing.

vaderios said:

Ady, Where this building/Wall is in the next shots?

 

-Angel

oops. thats one of the old shots. I've updated the screenshots on page 1with the correct image

Chrille said:

i won't be doing anything to the rank pins in ESB:R. this type of thing has never bothered me

But you do have it under "things I will be doing". Don't take this the wrong way, but I thought you wanted to address errors. This is an error, however minor.

which list are you looking at because i can't find mention that i will be fixing this on page 1

Nashguy said:

Hi all. I've downloaded the DVD-9 version of revisited as well as the AVCHD versions and have had zero luck burning them to disk on OSX using Disk Utility. Thrown away quite a few disks.

 

The blu-ray file starts playing on my PS3 (NTSC version with the latest system updates) and gets into it about 5 seconds before it tells me "invalid disc".

 

The DL DVD-9 version of revisited plays but jumbles up all over the place. Starts a scene and then switches to the end credits. Next scene mixes video throughout the movie.

 

Suggestions? Anyone willing to post these 3 DVDs to me in return for postage and media costs? I'm in the USA.

this sounds like your using inferior DVD-s to me. only use Verbatim discs and burn at 2.4 speed and you should find they will play without problems

Monroville said:

teharri said:

I am looking forward to seeing the emperor hologram now that it has been a year since we first saw it with ANH:R. I want to see the side view of that scene.

I know this has been brought up (and Ady, if you made a decision, a simple confirmation will do and I will start re-updating the ESB:R list), but didn't someone suggest making Ozzel and Harriet... uh, Piett a hologram as opposed to be onscreen (ala their holograms are being projected by the same unit the Emperor hails from)?

 

yeh i remember this idea but i will be keeping it as a viewscreen

Bingowings said:

I just happened across this image on the great meditation chamber debate, it might be fiddleaboutable, It's Veers waiting to see Vader (must be a deleted scene) :

cool find. Totally impossible to create a scene from a still though, especially one that is black & white and such low res. i don't think an extra shot really needs to be added anyway

ChainsawAsh said:

vaderios said:

Something that CAN fixed. Obvious he is not David. Armor and mask floating...

Even when he rotates there is a previous shot that can be used reversed.

 

-Angel

Are the ones on the right your fixes?  If so, they're fantastic - I've always thought the ones on the left looked a little ... off.

what's throwing this scene off is the fact that the helmet is underneath the chest plate armour for some reason. i'm going to leave it as it is though. It looks to me more that Vader had to quickly replace the helmet when Piette entered and that the suit isn't on correctly. Not only that but changing the helmet in a shot where he spins around in the chair probably couldn't be pulled off

Chrille said:

TESB is unique in that all the imperial officers are wearing perfect rank badges and cylinders. For one who is into these things, its very easy to determine the ranks of for instance Piett, Ozzel or Veers by mearly looking at their rank badges. By comparison ANH's rank system is terribly vague, with officers wearing a confusing mixture of red, blue and yellow. And let's not even talk about the mess in ROTJ, were virtually everyone seems to have the same rank!

There is one officer that is wrong, though, and it seems like a shame when everyone else are perfect. He appears briefly as an extra without lines in Vader's first scene. As Ozzel and Piett are argueing and Vader is making his way over to join them, the camera pans down to the trench and an officer standing looking up at Vader. He is wearing the rank insignia of a navy captain, even though Piett is captain of the ship at that time. However, if another cylinder is added to his other cheast pocket, he becomes a commander instead, which would clear it all up.

I have mentioned this earlier some time ago, so forgive me ady if you've already addressed this, but I wanted to make sure it hadn't been forgotten in the ocean of posts here.

i won't be doing anything to the rank pins in ESB:R. this type of thing has never bothered me

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Why shorten the Wampa scene?

HotRod said:

Cos it's shit!!

 

Why is it shit? The SE version is better than the original version.

Each to their own! As was said, its Adys edit. Thats like some models saying that they dont like to show their boobs as its better to leave it to the imagination but Id rather see the boobs. Just like here (no I dont wanna c the wampas boobs), Id prefer to see the wampa. If you were there, wouldnt it be scary seeing the wampa come after you? (Not if you're a future Jedi!)

Sevb32 said:

Yes but weve seen what the Wampa looks like for years, kinda hard to put the cat back in the bag. I don't mind shortening the scene a bit, but to expect me or most people to forget all memory of what I saw hundreds of time is ridiculous

SE version better than the original? are you serious? All the added wampa footage takes away what should be the main focus of the scene... Luke. It originally focused solely on Luke with brief glimpses of the wampa approaching. The tension was built as Luke regained consciousness and began his escape just as the wampa reaches him. Now in the SE version the focus is shifted towards the Wampa. It takes away the whole mystery when the wampa is full on in your face throughout the scene.It has nothing to do with the fact that we have now seen the wampa so the mystery is gone at all. Plus it will eb a new Wampa in this movie anyway. lol

And Dangerous Incorporated can you please change your sig pic. Its way too big for the forum and its getting confusing when scrolling through for the mock-ups

vaderios said:

Well this took me a while... working 1080p is fun :P

We can see the establishing shot that a X-wing is landed an R2 unit aproach the door and next shot luke its inside the building and R2 enters from behind.

 

-Angel

again interesting but this would be an unnecessary addition

GoodMusician said:

hey adywan, was curious how things were going...

Things are going ok at the moment. the shots i'm working on at the moment are taking up a lot of my time. they are just brief shots but each one is taking about 3 days solid to complete.

i've just changed the comparison pics on the first page because some of the shots have now changed. plus i added a couple more

doubleofive said:

yes the soundtrack for ANH:R featured a rebuilt  sound mix with new sound FX and the same will be done to ESB:R

Awesome.  You do too much.  Now, I've been telling people you redid every sound effect and its a whole new mix of the music for ANHR.  Am I exaggerating, or did you truly scrap everything and start from scratch?

no, i didn't scrap everything. I used various sources including the laserdisc 5.1 and foreign audio tracks which had different mixes but with many scenes only the English centre channel was used and the other channels were created from scratch

AxiaEuxine said:

Is anyone else having issues downloading those sound files from fan-files.com?

I haven't tried downloading anything from there for a couple of years so i don't know if they're all still active

adywan said:

I don't think the two entrances need to be made to look the same. Don't forget there is a north and south entrance to the base. although the mattes need enhancing they don't need to be exactly the same

i have things planned for the sequence where the shield generator is destroyed but i'm keeping this one secret until the edit is released.

as for vaders chamber, i do like the corridor idea abut not an airlock or lift. he wouldn't need a sterile environment so his wounds wouldn't get infected because they would have healed after all this time. i've always thought that the actual  meditation unit had some sort of inbuilt force field protecting Vader when he has his mask off and that his breathing apparatus was linked into its systems which would allow him to have his mask off for short periods of time. i won't be doing any changes to that apart from the entrance.

 

I've just noticed that this original post has disappeared. very strange. hmm

vaderios said:

Oh! Sweet new matte! One question, the bluish part of the sky should be there to previous shots right?

Sevb32 said:

Looks great, but I am hoping he added sky traffic, because that is after Lando advised people to leave.

this is a temp shot to check the composite before final render so many of the elements are unfinished or missing. I have to do this to check that the tracking of the new mattes matches the original footage. if you notice the original footage is hardly stable and adding a new matte without tracking the originals motion would look odd if the new matte was static but the original element was unstable. This shot was more of a teaser as i won't be showing any more finished shots until after the trailer is released. So it already has a different sky & sky traffic since i posted that pic as the shot is now complete. you'll just have to wait til either the trailer or the movie is released to see the finished shot .lol

Tobar said:

That's beautiful Ady. The whole thing. How long did it take you to amass all of those sound effects?

I've been collecting various sound Fx over the years but i managed to get hell of a lot of Star Wars effects from HERE.

ben_danger said:

wow ady, are you inserting completely new sound effects? (did you do that in ANH:R)

yes the soundtrack for ANH:R featured a rebuilt  sound mix with new sound FX and the same will be done to ESB:R

Just thought i'd show you just how the edit is progressing. The top line of video are all the completed shots and the bottom line is left to do

Wideload said:

chris1712 said:

Any news on the 14gb higher bitrate mkv versions? I don't really have a use for AVCHD releases and would rather a nice big mkv file for my htpc. The sample posted a couple pages back is awesome!

 

Will it be for both ANH and ESB:R? When can we expect them Adywan?

 

 

 Hi Adywan,

I was wondering about this too the other day.  I know you did have problems with your upload limits imposed by your ISP, which were delaying this.

i've decided just to stick to what the project was originally which was AVCHD's so i'm not going to bother with mkv high bitrate releases. I've just got too much on at the moment to be doing several versions for each movie.  if the rest of the saga ever gets completed is anyone's guess at the moment

dickalan said:

 

Thanks for the info doubleofive!!!!

Thats good to know that adywan's isn't truely the 97 Special Editions. That's weird that he calls it 1997 Special Editions When he/she is only using it as a color reference. This doesn't make sense to me and is misleading. The 2004 DVDs are NOT the special editions. Last time i checked i didn't see special edition on the box anywhere. I think this is where the confussion comes in.

My AVCHD's aren't the 2004 DVD's at all. check out my AVCHD thread and you will see that ESB has been returned back to the 1997 version with the original Empror instead of Ian mcdiarmid and insignia badges have been reflipped as they were in '97 along with the theatrical 1997 5.1 audio mix taken from the laserdiscs and not the abomination mix that the 2004 DVDs contain, so not misleading at all as this is the 1997 version in content as none of the 2004 changes are present in ESB and won't be in the rest of the saga when i get around to it. I only labelled ESB as the 1997 theatrical version as ANH had a slight re-edit taking out Greedo shooting first, but that also contained the 1997 5.1 mix.