adywan

vaderios said:

Where is ImpFighter when i need him :P

First pic. That shit that is next to vader has no purpose. We dont see it again. Or not. Correct me

Second pic the carbon chambers or where the duel begun it should be visible in some shots from behind.

And:

 

-Angel

Pic 1 - what you are seeing is the railing for the stairs on the gantry where falls over. This shot was obviously taken from earlier on in the sequence. I have removed the railing in this shot.

Pic 2 - the angle this shot is taken would make the structure off left side of the screen so wouldn't be visible

Pic 3 -  I see what you mean here. i will look into fixing that

Mouse said:

I've browsed these boards, and have enjoyed watching the trailer to A New Hope Revisited, but where do I obtain such a movie? most of the normal sites I visit to obtain things do not carry it..

Check your PM's

not sure if this is the correct section to put this or not but i though i should let people know about this

nimal55 said:

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 (nimal_buba@yahoo.com)

please reply me with my email address.

an obvious spam email in my PM inbox. I just thought i'd give the heads up on this just in case.

DF Shadow said:

AdY real quick PT question.........Obviously the OT had major recoloring issues.....what's your opinion of the coloring in the PT?

The PT will be getting a complete colour correction overhaul. TPM is pink, AOTC is orange , and only ROTS looks any way normal.

sans_fi said:

This is some kind of personal thing, and it will affect the story IN A HUGE WAY... It mainly affects ROTJ, but there is one little scene here.

Dont make Luke and Leia Brother and Sister... It just feels forced and stupid. It makes no sense that nobody ever felt the force in her, why obi-wan never even cared about her rescue on A New Hope, why nor yoda nor obi-wan even cared training her AT THE SAME TIME as Luke. And it breaks that tension between Han-Leia-Luke, without really giving anything to the story.

It wouldnt be that hard to edit from ROTJ, the biggest change would be how to make luke get angry with vader... But any other time is just cutting dialogue.

In ESB youll have to cut down the "No, there is another" (thats why im posting this here first and not waiting untill ROTJ:R)

no, i will be keeping the brother/ sister relationship. There is no real way around it. It's the reason why Luke gets so angry with Vader and taking this out leaves nothing else for Vader to push Luke into almost turning to the dark side

Savage said:

As a completely non-OT:R subject but related to Ady's mock-up, I would also suggest making Mace the only Jedi to confront Palpy.  This may be a nightmare to edit (both visually and auditory), but if pulled off would add a lot to Mason J. Windu's character.  Just something to file away until 2019....

i will be doing that.

Darth Piccolo said:

vaderios said:

I love most ROTS sabers for the reasons that ady hates them. I read millions od topics about how the sabers should looks etc etc. I dont care if he will make them with more gradient glow! I know the fact that what he is going to do will be awesome!

 

-Angel

 

i don't know from what i can tell it seems he wants to change it just for the sake of it or just for the sake of nitpicking.  i mean really does changing the sabers really further the story?

heck i'm all for him tweaking the pt stories to match the ot, i'm glad he is going to replace the bad cg sets (aotc) with real sets and dumbing down the unnessary effects to match the ot. i'm all for that.

 

Why is is that when someone doesn't agree with something i'm doing sometimes they sue the "changing it for the sake of it.." line. I have stated from the very beginning of these edits that the PT will be changed to fit the OT. I also stated from the beginning that i will be changing the lightsabers in the PT to match the OT versions. That includes lightsabers. They don't look the same in the PT and even the blue colouring is different and so is the pointy tip. To create some form of continuity they HAVE to be changed to match the OT ones. i made a mock-up (very rough ones)of the Revisited PT sabers.

I know which ones i prefer. :)

As for the "stardestroyer" line, it's not something that has ever bothered me and still doesn't so i can't see myself doing anything to that. Maybe she isn't actually Anakin's child but is in fact Ric Olie's. lol

corellian77 said:

 

adywan said:

Adventures on Hoth:

21. Flipping the shot of the saber cutting open the taun Taun because its hind legs are the wrong side of the frame.

 

Just checking out the updated list on page 1.  I think there's a problem in flipping the shot discussed above...

We see Han preparing to slice from (his) left to right, which is consistent in the following shot of the tauntaun's belly being cut.  However, if the shot gets flipped, the saber will be going from in the wrong direction on the next shot, no?

Unless you have a way of eliminating the saber from the shot ady, might I suggest that, if you still want to flip it, you simply zoom in to avoid seeing whatever it is we're seeing to the right of the frame?  (I'm assuming this is the tauntaun's leg, which I assume you're assuming as well, hence why you want to flip the shot in the first place).

Boy, that's a lot of assumptions...

Oh, and by the way, sorry to hear you're not doing well at the moment ady... I hope you feel better soon, and that it's nothing too serious.

have a look at the first shot of han you posted. Look at the emblem on his coat and you will see that its a flipped shot, so flipping that first shot and the taun taun and the sabers are all in the correct direction

Darth Piccolo said:

Ripplin said:

adywan said:

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be.

Interesting! I always thought maybe it was stop-motion animated, for whatever reason there would be for doing such a thing. Is there a way of making it slower without actually making it slower, if you know what I mean?

As for the explosion immediately after, could some extra little explosion or something help to hide some of the hidden frames?

I also agree about the PT sabers. To me, there's a little too much sharp separation of white and color, and why would they have sharp tips like a real sword? They're just beams of energy. I dunno, I still think the ones in ESB are the best.

 

 

that's one part i can't agree with the pt lightsabers are fine the way they are. the only thing that needs to be changed in windu's lightsaber color.

The sabers in the PT look more fake than the OT ones. This weapon is giving off a coloured glow and the core is supposed to be bright, but there is no gradient of the glow which is totally artificial. they got the sabers right in the OT

Sevb32 said:

While it is true there were few physical ships built for AOTC and ROTS, there were plenty of models Lucas could have surrounded himself with, it just wasn't practical. Or he could have surrounded himself with TPM only ships, would have been fine. Queen's Starship, droid control ship, etc.

THe main reason minature sets were build, like the GEONOSIS arena is he wanted more exotic looking enviroments, not to be Earth bound by forrests, Snow, or desert only. What would be the sense in building the entire Geonosis arena in full scale? Read Sculpting a Galaxy, you'll see how many miniatures were built physically.

 

I have sculpting a galaxy so i do know what i am talking about. There were not a few ships built for AOTC .. there were none. The only ships that were built were to enable the CG artists to create the 3D models. No physical models were used for ships in AOTC and especially ROTS

Ripplin said:

adywan said:

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be.

Interesting! I always thought maybe it was stop-motion animated, for whatever reason there would be for doing such a thing. Is there a way of making it slower without actually making it slower, if you know what I mean?

I've already been able to fix it without having to slow it down.

doubleofive said:

Josh said:

Where have you been, this house is a mess lol

Just curious, because I forgot, what programs/hardware do you need to burn images onto a disk, I know about the "disk burners" but I'm confused. I really want adys disk art!

For burning images onto a disc, you need a LightScribe drive, or something like it.  Its a special disc burner that burns the data on normal or special discs, then you can flip over the special disc and burn a B&W image on the other side.  Most people around here just print out an image on an Avery label or whatever and stick it on there.  Being paranoid, I heard that the stickers can mess up the data over time, so I didn't even write on my DVD-9s of ANHR!

I always use printable discs and my Epson printer will print directly on the disc in photo quality

God, this thread has turned into a mad house.

Ok, first things first. The cut-off period for your names in the credits was 12AM GMT today. I've added a note to the first page about this. I have had enough of people either PMing or emailing me saying things like " If i post in your thread does will my name be in the credits"  or " can i please have my name in the credits". Now these aren't even from members here at OT.com but from people that are just going to join to get their name in the credits. This isn''t going to happen. Anyone that joins now and posts will NOT be getting their name in the credits. I had to have a cut off point because the credits could become longer than the movie at this rate with things like this happening.

ok now that's out the way....

Asteroid-Man, loving the covers. A small critique though. The text on the back has very jagged edges. Did you copy and past this from the official DVD's and use some form of cut-out tool or apply a blending mode? I would suggest creating new text from scratch as this is the only thing letting these covers down.

i don't know why there has been so much negativity about the bar code on the back. i can take or leave bar codes on custom covers, it really doesn't bother me. Official DVDs have the bar codes so why not custom one. It does make them a little more authentic.

Now one thing i WONT tolerate in this thread is people slating someone who is genuinely trying to contribute something.  It really annoys me when people display a superiority complex. Just remember this .. there is always someone out there better than you. Constructive criticism is always welcome but down right rudeness WILL NOT!.Now i know that the recent negativity was all a misunderstanding directed at the wrong person but this is al something to think about for the future

Now there are some (and i'm not going to mention any names but you know who you are) that just seem to post without bothering listening to any help or suggestions that other are providing and it turns out to be the same garbage over and over again. Hell, even janskeet has begun to listen to what we have been saying to him and is off my ignore danger list. lol

Everyone has to start somewhere. Don't forget that when i started ANH:R i had never done any form of Fx work and had never touched After Effects. It's all a learning curve and i received a lot of negativity when i started , but i just brushed that aside because i have received that type of crap all my life. But not everyone is like that and when they get bashed for genuinely trying to do some thing they would just give up. I say don't. I say forget what others say unless its constructive criticism

EyeShotFirst, i like your poster. Yes, it does need some work, but the layout and idea is very good. A few suggestions...  I would definitely do something about Yodas hair. he looks like he's suffering from a bit of static there. lol. also use some feathering on the clouds to help the characters look like they are behind the clouds. Shrink R2 & 3PO a little and bring cloud city over so it isn't cut off one one side. I'm not sure if the moon really works. i think it would look better if it wasn't there. When constructing things like this you don't have to fill every bit of space on the page. Try it without anything where the moon is and cropping the top down a little.

Custom covers and posters are welcome in this thread as long as it is directly related to ESB:R.

Now can we please return this thread to some form of normality.

Back to what this thread is supposed to be about.

vaderios said:

Interesting enough Ady, you didnt mention the jump cut when the gun of falcon pops down when it turns and ofc the Obvious jump cut when the gun hits/explodes the snowtroopers...

 

By the way any change to open a bit the landscape of the dagobah? I know you like the close feel it has and i agree with you. Just only to eliminate the stage look and look more alien and natural in the long shots. Only subtle things( remember my mockups if you wish)

-Angel

Actually there is no jump cut when the gun appears. What's happened is that they speeded up the film to make the gun come out faster. I have checked this shot frame by frame and there are no missing frames. What looks unnatural to the eye is that because the shot was originally slower there is no motion blur on the gun when there should be. 

Now the jump cut when the gun hits the troopers and the gun explodes is another matter. I'm not sure how the hell i can fix this because there are too many missing frames to be able to reconstruct them. I've been trying out a few tests for this shot and t just isn't working at the moment. It might end up being a smooth out rather than a general fix.

And dagobah, i prefer it the way it is. i don't feel that the landscape needs to be opened up at all as the enclosed look gives the planet a bit of eeriness and mystery.

vaderios said:

Something to mention in adding to the list:

When Chewie goes to see where is C3po after he blasted, we see to brake the step,

-Angel

Actually the step isn't breaking at all. I've been studying this and its just a shadow. If you look at the shot of chewie walking up the steps you'll see the shadowing is exactly the same.

So no need for a fix here.

oh_riginal said:

I would just like to bring this one back up.

Ady, will you be adding any saber marks for this shot? I figure since Luke swings across the surface, rather than stabbing the door lock, that it seems logical to see where Luke's saber touched the surface. Thoughts?

 

Luke had cut the latch and there is no real place to add any burn marks. i may add a faint heat glow on each section of the latch but that's about it

thanks for the link Killbot but i refuse to pay that site for their pictures when they are uploaded by other members, many stole from other sites.

vaderios said:

Is anyone else feels that vader's saber should look more like in the second pic i posted? Just gathering thoughts.

It looks like more a cod rotoscope (thin) and not as a saber. maybe with that way it looks more like mace's saber attacking palps.

-Angel

no, i prefer the rounded end of the OT sabers. I hate the PT sabers. They'll all be changed in the PT:R

sans_fi said:

That new shot of GL really annoys me. There is not 1 physical model in that shot. Its all GC and it really does show how artificial the models can look. The argument about more models were used in the PT than the OT is total rubbish too and just some garbage that PT lovers try to use to defend the prequels. Models were used for the ships in the OT and full physical sets were built . The Pt was a lot of greescreen sets for which they build model sets or CG sets. Only TPM used any form of physical models for ships. AOTC & ROTS all the ships are CG.

no updates on the progress i'm afraid. there are a few things going on in my life at the moment, and my health isn't too good either, that is preventing me from starting on the models. Hopefully it won't be long before i can start though.

Updated the list on page 1

Will reply to some of the new posts later. Have to dash. :)

Janskeet, i've been reading a lot of what you are intending to do in your edit in this thread an others and many of the things have me completely baffled. you seem to be ripping the movie apart without any proper thought. For one, you mention the colour of the crawl to be too "orange" and that you prefer the ROTJ crawl colour. Well are you working on a colour calibrated monitor because if you are not you are not seeing the true colours of anything. The ROTJ crawl is horribly washed out. you also pointed out that the blue hue is missing form the cockpit windows. well it shouldn't be there at all anyway. you need to check to see just how thick the cockpit is and you will see that this is the thickness of the window frames and it is in shadow ( which has been tinted blue which you would see if you have a calibrated monitor).

there seems to be many things that you are taking out just because you don't understand them, which is a very bad mistake in my opinion.

Now i don't mind people using my edit for their own edits but its looking like your just going to rip it apart without any proper thought or understanding and with you doing it to something i put in a lot of time and effort to create i'm kind of concerned about this. You mention that you going to be changing some of the Fx shots too so you will have to learn to use an FX program like After Effects. Maybe you would be better off using the original Star Wars for this instead of my edit. If this is just going to be a personal project for yourself then fair enough, but if you intend to do all these things and then release it then, after seeing what you are intending to do, i would prefer it if you didn't use my edit for this.

fishmanlee said:

does anyone have a matte background of the freezing chamber in ESB? 

not sure exactly what you are requesting here. As has been said it was a physical set and no matte was used. If you give a little more detail then maybe we'll all know what you want

vaderios said:

ben_danger said:

is it possible that fishmanlee is actually a member of the board deliberately winding people up with a second account?

Let the mods see if the IPs are the same..

 

-Angel

 

yeh, check it with zigfrieds. he's the only other person i can remember who loved to use mspaint. lol

just jesting. I am curious however why you say you have the first disc on the net but when someone asks for a link you say its in hiding.

Deleted - double post

ell i have downloaded a couple of rars and made some snapshots to help those that have asked for samples etc.

well WG has applied colour correction.  I'd need to download the whole disc to give any sort of review of the colour correction but 40GB is just too much for me.

i would say however that there was no benefit with this being a DL-BR as the video quality is the same as the German HDTV broadcast ( which it would be the same as the source no matter how much extra bitrate you give it) that you used so a  SL-BR would have been more than sufficient when the original source was only 17GB.

I'm not knocking what you have done in any way WG, so please don't think that. I know what a pain in the ass attempting the colour correction alone is with these transfers so anyone that attempts it gets my up most respect.

Wookie Groomer said:

I did stuff and I left things alone. If you care then you'll find out. I refuse to outline every damn little tiny thing that I did when I friggen just uploaded a super high quality bluray version of this! You people suck

Wow WG, what's with all the hostility.? All people have asked is a couple of questions. It has nothing to do with if we care or not. The bandwiths limit imposed by many ISP's now has caused many of us to be unable to risk a 40Gb download when we know nothing more about a release apart from it is Blu-Ray format. heck, my ISP's monthly limit is 40GB so for me i would have liked to know a little bit about this release before committing a whole months allowance on a release that may or may not be any better or different than the 17Gb German HD broadcasts i already have ( apart from yours having the English crawl) or the HQ version i did for myself. No one here was being unreasonable and to say that we suck is totally uncalled for. A few screenshots, a sample or some details isn't at all asking too much. I may try downloading a couple of rars and seeing if Vlc will play them

Molly said:

...

you're 12, aren't you?

no, according to his youtube profile he is 21. i just can't make out if all this is a joke, serious or someone who has set out to deliberately screw with us.

rcb said:

brash_stryker said:

rcb said:

 that's crap! no offense to ur country of course.

Same goes for air conditioning.

At least we have free healthcare though :)

 

i could trade in one of those for the free healthcare. god! the economy sux over here!

 

well i have air conditioning :)

small update. you'll be glad to know that i have managed to fix " no neck Vader" in the meditation chamber scene. Not an easy fix my any means but i've finally done it. i'll also be updating the list on page 1 very shortly.

fishmanlee said:

hows this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLY_8pdUEgs&feature=channel_page

i'm sorry but that is just a mess. i guess you chose to ignore the advise i gave you about mixing and planning out everything first in my previous post then. oh, that video you used looks very familiar. It would ahve been nice if you had given a bit of credit for the source used.

now everyone has to start somewhere and its all a learning curve but at least concentrate on getting the edits to mesh together before moving onto a new one. in your re-score thread you got quite aggressive when someone questioned you abilities and you snapped that you have got skillz ( as you put it) and talent, but it is sorely lacking in these clips. people here are very knowledgeable and can advise you about most things but you have to put in the effort to learn first and at least take the advise when it is given to you.

forget about constantly producing clips and concentrate instead on perfecting your editing skills and what your software is capable of doing. once you have this mailed then you can think about more clips. but plan, plan , plan first.

i know this all sounds harsh but it isn't intended to be. Its just advise. you can take it or leave it.

ChainsawAsh said:

My other question:  How do I make the crawl "disappear" the way it does in the films in After Effects (I'm using CS4)?  I figured out how to get the main logo to dissolve, but it appears that the crawl itself doesn't dissolve uniformly (that is, the upper portions fade earlier than the lower portions).  How would I do that in After Effects, for anyone knowledgeable in that subject area?

well this is the way i do it.

once you have your crawl (without the starfield and the logo) composition set up rename it something like "crawl" (you don't have to its just easier if i call it that for the purpose of explaining this) create a new composition ( we'll call it crawl 2) and drag " crawl" composition into it. create a duplicate and disable the bottom layer. now drag the timeline bar to where the crawl should begin to fade (its furthest distance point). use the pen tool to create a cut-out mask so this only contains the bottom section of the frame like this; ( i know this has a starfield but i don't have the project files handy at the moment, but this gives you the idea)

now you'll see that the mask selection is a lot larger than the frame at the sides and bottom. you need to do this due to the next stage. Now feather the mask to a high value. just keep increasing the value of the feathering until you can see the top few lines now appear a lot darker than the rest ( you may have to change the masks expansion to a negative value. change these settings until you get the desired effect but without noticeably eliminating the text. now re-enable the bottom text layer. add the "levels" effect and drag the white output down to 0. the text is now solid black. this is to create a solid text mask so the feathering won't create transparent text when overlaid upon the starfield.  now this composite is finished. Now create a third composition and drag 2 crawl 2" onto it. add the starfield and the logo.  to make the logo darken as it shrinks just use keyframes and lower the brightness slightly and keyframe the fade.

i'm not sure what is causing the rainbow effect but i do get a flickering effect when i tried it. this is to do with After effects scaling. this can be eliminated but this means more masking, extra composites and effects but i'll get to that in another post.

fishmanlee said:

i agree the only reason it had music was for entertainment purposes
about the BOTH in ANH:R: i thought if it had music it should be TCOL (see here)

but why use that music? that is used for Luke vs vader so is totally unfitting to be used for the duel between vader & Obi-Wan. I used BOTH because it signifies the final duel between the two former friends. it wasn't added just to have music in the duel. using a piece of music that was written for the duel between Luke & vader would be like using yodas theme when jabba appears in ANH:SE. Its one of the things i hated about the hack up job that was given to the score in ROTS. No though went into it at all. why use that piece of music when Yoda confronts the Emperor. Themes are there for a reason and thats how JW originally wrote them. when i first saw ROTS and that music cue appeared i instantly thought of Luke vs vader at bespin. JW writes the music to enhance what you are seeing on the screen. certain cues are there to fit the action. when you add a piece of music that was written for a different scene over another one, without re-cuing/ remixing the score it almost never fits. Anyone that knows anything about musical scoring for films knows this. This is why the soundtrack for AOTC & ROTS was such an abomination. the editing destroyed what JW had originally written. If you notice in ANH:R the BOTH was re-edited so that it folllowed what you were seeing on the screen. A quieter  section came in when it needed to and vice versa. 

one thing you really need to learn is how to mix music. the cuts between different music cues is jarring. when re-scoring something you really need to plan what cues you will be using and which sections you can use so they flow together seemlessly.

well the first thing i will be building is the Wampa. I want to get that out of the way so i can use the space for the model and set building. doing all this is going to be a bit of a tight squeeze in a 1 bedroom flat. i've almost got the mechanical design for the wampa nailed now so i will start the facial sculpture in a couple of days. pics and/or video blog will follow shortly after

Wookie Groomer said:

I used Adobe Premier Pro & Adobe Encore with some things Sony Vegas 8c. Sorry no sample. I put up what I had if you want it, if not move along.

 

surely you can't expect people to download almost 40GB without knowing what the quality is like. it would be such a shame that so many people will avoid this release due to this. One thing i'm curious about is that you have used the German HDTV broadcasts as the basis for this but they were only 17GB. Why did you decide to do such a high bitrate encode when the video quality can't be improved upon no matter how much extra bitrate it has. wouldn't the quality have been the same if you had made it a single layer blu-ray release?

fishmanlee said:

heres another credits question coming up....

will landos theme and the asteroid field be added to the ESB:R credits?

i won't be getting to the audio until the video side of things is finished. But new cues will need to be added to the end credits because of all the additions, but when mixing music you have to make sure they all flow together so you can't just add the cue you want and have it kick you in the face when it suddenly comes in. But the Asteroid field i can almost definately say won't be added in.