adywan

Just a quickie here. A few people have asked me about the difference in picture quality between the 2004 DVD's and the 720p version of Revisited. I'm really surprised that some people are saying that there isn't a noticeable difference between an upscaled DVD and a 720p video and that i am wasting my time doing this in 720p when an upscaled DVD would look the same and it would take me less time to go back to working with DVD res.

Well here is a snapshot showing the difference. The DVD has been upscaled to 720p using a high quality upscaler. Now tell me that an upscaled DVD looks as good as HD. If you do you need to go to specsavers. lol

Just make sure you click on the image after it loads to give you the full res.

The Golden Idol said:

Ady, I'm fairly sure this wasn't mentioned: In the film's climactic moment, when Vader says "No, I am your father," you can see that in the very last second of that shot, the footage of Darth Vader was played back in reverse, kinda like the scene of the Tusken Raider swinging his gaffi stick over his head in ANH. Will this be fixed, Ady?

Yeh, thats been fixed

I did mention that many of the shots in the trailer either didn't have some FX layers enabled to save rendering time or were unfinished. the trench being one of them.

Finished trench:

Well in the past few weeks i have replied to just over 30 requests for download links, from both here and ones sent directly to my email address and out of those only 2 have bothered replying with a thanks. So from now on i WILL NOT be replying to any requests for links. I also won't be sending out any more physical copies either because i've sent out hundreds already and i have to put a stop to it sometime or i'll be bankrupt. lol

ImperialFighter said:

vaderios said:

Also impfighter take a look at this.

Full rez here: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/ea2c96eb-2276-451a-b935-f55a13eb8aab

 

-Angel

 

It's all Greek to me!  ;)

 

I'll give it a go vaderios -  where your first point is concerned, as far as I can make out on my screen when watching the SE DVD, the darker(?)-shaded 'edging' that goes all the way around the top of the 'sunken' control bays seems to vary in 'hue' and the 'shine' of the 'flooring' from shot to shot, depending on the lighting conditions they were filmed in.  For instance, there is a varying 'sheen', just like how the uppermost surfaces of Adywan's terrific added 'stairs' seen on page 1 (with recent updated info.) of this thread 'reflect' differently to nearby parts of the main 'flooring' too.

I've no problem with any of them, nor your example above which comes immediately after we hear Captain Needa order "Shields up!" as the Falcon flies near, as I can still make out the defining 'contrast' of where this 'edging' is.  All of these shots will be nicely improved with Adywan's colour-correction anyway.

 

As far as those bottom shots of the Bridge and the Bounty Hunters go -  it does seem that behind the 'close-up' shot of the Boutnty Hunters when Vader says "There will be a substantial reward for the one who finds the Millennium Falcon", that the back of the side 'alcove' area is solid in the footage.  Unfortunately, although you've shown a mock-up showing where a 'starfield' window backdrop could be, it's a moving shot, and I don't know if this is achievable. 

However, that is assuming that this side 'alcove' is symmetrically identical with the one opposite it, in the first place....  We never see another example of a direct shot of this particular side, and only see that the other side 'alcove' opposite it happens to be 'windowed'....when Vader enters that side with Admiral Piett, near the end.

And as far as your other smaller shots overlayed on the right-hand side go, I agree that the width of 'opening' to the Bridge 'entrance' set (also seen when Vader exits at the end) seems to be 'narrower' than the width of the one shown in the biggest overall shot....  Although I generally like your amended mock-up for that, again I can live with this other brief questionmark over the set dimensions if need be.  We'll see what Ady decides.

 

On a more bothersome note, and I don't remember this being brought up yet -  near the end of the 'Bounty Hunters' scene, we see Boba Fett saying "As you wish" with IG-88 on his right-hand side.  We then immediately cut to the very last shot in the scene, behind a 'close-up' of who I always assumed was Boba Fett, with IG-88 still on his right-hand side, as we see Admiral Piett tell Vader "Lord Vader.  My lord, we have them"

Well, it turns out to be a 'continuity' nightmare, since it's not Boba Fett after all, but the back of Dengar!  With IG-88 on his right....who is without the gun we could see near his left arm in the previous shot beside Boba Fett....

Here's a reference shot of Dengar near IG-88 in an unused shot shown on some packaging -  http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/190/473/57/o_kenner_dengar.JPG.jpg

And here's a look at some of Dengar's backpack details which although not 100% accurate here, prove it's Dengar in the footage rather than Boba Fett in that last shot -  http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/images/tv/d3.jpg

 

Unfortunately, I don't think even Adywan can rectify this last shot in the 'Bounty Hunters' scene....as although it could be 'flipped' into reverse to make Dengar seem positioned to the right of IG-88 (to match where he was seen at the start of the scene), this would then throw up issues of Vader's direction of travel in the shot (as well as issues of reversed chestbuttons and silver belt detail too)....and as if that's not bad enough, the background should surely be showing the 'sunken' control bays anyway, considering we are positioned behind these Bounty Hunters now?....rather than the section of the set that we DO see at this point!  :(

 

There is no continuity problem here. Dengar is always at the left side of IG88 (check out the first shot of the scene from the Pit point of view). Its all to do with the angles of the camera in each shot. If you look closely you will see that you wouldn't see Dengar in the close up shots featuring Boba Fett and when Vader walks down the stairs Dengar is again in shot in the correct position.

Also this scene isn't meant to be set on the bridge. That's why they closed off the window and why i won't be adding the control room to the shot after vader walks down the stairs so it remains a corridor. Noting to do here (apart from the impossible continuity error of Piette magically appearing at the end of the pit which is impossible to fix)

Isley said:

Hey Adi, just checked all the changes in page one and this caught my eyes :

9. Fixing it so the hanger doors only close once.

 

There's one other thing you could fix here (if you haven't already in which case I apologise for this useless reply :D ) :

Right after those doors have been closed Chewie howls and leans his head on the ladder, as shown below.

 

In the next scene 3PO tells R2 that Luke will be alright and yadda yadda, and THEN you can see Chewie leaning his head again, just as he did one minute before.

 

So... Is this a continuity mistake or is it just me?

There is a section where we only see 3PO & R2 between the two shots so chewie could easily have moved his head (as he does in a couple of shots). I don't see a problem here.

oh_riginal said:

Okay, yet another question for Ady, concerning the Millennium Falcon's engine glow... (seems to be my new obsession!)

In ANH, when the Falcon escapes Docking Bay 94, we see the engine lit up, but with some detail to the exhaust, THEN we see the engine boost for take-off, like so:

 

 

However, in the shot of the Falcon lifting off from the platform on Cloud City, the engines appear to be fully lit the entire time.

I just wanted to ask, is this going to be made to be consistent with the shot from ANH? It may not be a big deal to most, but I'd love to see this changed to match the other footage, especially since there is a boosting sound effect there now (I believe there wasn't one in the official release, correct?)

No. In ANH we see it power up and you see the rear of the falcon from the moment it is taking off. In the Bespin platform shot we don't see the engines power up as the Falcon is facing the camera then turns to fly off, but by this time the engines have already powered up.

Don't forget that the engine sound effect was only added for the trailer because i had to add new sound FX because i couldn't use the movies soundtrack due to the music in that shot.. this isn't how it appears in the movie

oh_riginal said:

Jedi Dark Knight said:

oh!....an improvement of the same effect? mmmm Angel did a great job with the part closest to the hull, maybe keep that and leave out the trails....?  (yeah Trekkish all the way)

 

In the actual shot, the effect doesn't bother me at all until a trail begins to show... the boost itself looks fine, but toward the end of the shot, when a trail begins to show, it looks like animation.

Yeah, it's definitely the trail that bothers me. It looks drawn onto the frame (which I'm sure it was.)

So again I ask, will there be any fixes planned for this, Ady?

yes i will be redoing the effect

vaderios said:

oh_riginal said:

While thats the idea I'm thinking of, the visual seems to be overkill. It should only be a blueish color, correct?

Yes and no.

I mean you are correct but id like to have more that one color in one shot.

Or keep the blue and add some lasers from the SD :)

-RoboAngel

 

ah, the biggest problem with what i call the "digital generation". Everything has to be colourful all the time and sometimes to the point of over saturation. A main reason why much of today's effect and films just looks terrible and fake. The OT always had that monochromatic look to it. The colours were never over the top and in your face. The space scenes were always drab with flashes of colour here and there during battles and it worked. Now look at the PT and almost every shot has to be colourful and we all know how much that didn't work. This is one reason i think they added the blue tint to the OT (Ep's 4 & 5 especially) to remove that monochromatic look so it seemed to  be as colourful as the PT. Jedi was a little more colourful than the first 2 so maybe that's why the tint was hardly present in that movie.

corellian77 said:

 

Sevb32 said:

Bossk getting facial articulation? I forgot about this one.

Good catch!  What say you, ady?

 

Already done months ago. :)

It was added to the list before i swapped it with the new one. I'll re-add it next time i update it.

doubleofive said:

I think I actually understood all of that.  Does that make me crazy?

lol. Theres bound to be an easier way of doing this but you know me, i never take the easy route. Plus i'm really crap at explaining how to do stuff

Jonno said:

Sorry, I was showing my ignorance earlier - Prologic's channels are left, right, centre and mono rear. So if they could be decoded within the digital realm (no idea if this is possible), it would be a simple case to reassign them to the respective channels within 5.1, dupe the mono surround to both rear channels, and slot in the LFE.

The levels might need a bit of fiddling, but really it's the decoding that would be the hard part. Any ideas?

Well if you have software like WINDVD & a 5.1 soundcard you can play the soundtrack in this using WINDVD's dolby surround setting. You can record this on-the-fly by setting your record source selection in your mixer to "what you hear" in something like soundforge. you will then have the 6 channels. Save each separate channel as a mono wav files. Now you will have to re-sync this before making your 5.1 AC3. You can do this easily by ripping the GOUT video & audio to 2 separate files (make sure your ripping software doesn't split the files). convert the GOUT's AC3 to stereo wav in besweet. Import the ripped VOB file, stereo wav & your 6 separate mono files into a new project (audio set to 5.1) Sony vegas. chose the surround channel for each wav file (in the left panel of each audio track where you see the surround mixer for each track. just drag the diamond shape to the desired speaker and click on the remaining ones to mute them. for the LFE you will need to right click on the surround panel and chose LFE only. ).  Now the LFE you recorded with your surround mix you can discard. Use the original LFE from the 2.1 mix. This should already be synced with the GOUT. Select (highlight) the remaining 5 mono files in vegas and right click on one of the highlighted files and select "Group> create new". these files are now locked together . all you have to do now is align the beginning of the Fox theme in your mono files with the beginning of the GOUT (easy to see thanks to the wavform). now play the track. You should not hear any sort of echoing effect when you play the surround channels with the original GOUT stereo wav. Once you have the sync set, mute all other tracks apart from your 5.1 mix and you can use Vegas to export your AC3

Simple. lol

Darth Chronus said:

doubleofive said:

Darth Chronus said:

Ripplin said:

^Every edition Ady has released is in widescreen.

Oh, cool :)

 

It's just that the xvid copy that I downloaded ages ago was fullscreen for some reason.

That's odd, because the official XVID is widescreen also.  Perhaps whatever you were watching it on compressed it.  I've had that problem trying to encode my own XVIDs.

 

That's probably it. Thanks for clearing that up. I've actually had the same problem with an edited version of Batman Forever, but I managed to burn that xvid onto a DVD+RW and it was widescreen on my HDTV. Do you reckon it would be safe for me to just burn the SWRevisited xvid onto a blank DVD+RW? Or does that sound plain dumb?

It wouldn't be worth it as the XVID i released was more like a "workprint" and the DVD-9's have the finished version of the movie with many changes over the XVID

MoveAlong said:

If you want to snail mail the rar's and par's to the states, I could post to usenet for you. That offer stands for any of your projects...

Thanks. Pm sent :)

looks like they have changed besweet. i have the v0.6 b61 GUI and you can just select ac3 and it will keep a 2.1 stream.

Jonno said:

Fantastic work! Can't wait to give these a listen.

One snag - my GOUTs are PAL format, and I'm guessing these are NTSC (i.e. correct) speed.

Any tips on changing the speed of a full 2.1 file? Or will I have to decompress/adjust/recompress?

you can use besweet to change the framerate of the AC3 from 23.976 to 25

Well the 14GB version of ESB is ready to go. problem is that i don't have the bandwidth or upload speed until the end of the month to upload this to usenet. If there's anyone in the UK who has a fast upload speed and can upload these to usenet for me then please give me a shout

Oldfan said:

I see what you mean, but then don't they have to travel the length of the tube that connects the fin to the wall of the chasm? Is it some kind of long hallway or is like a travel tube of some sort? How long is the tube anyways?

Ok this is the way i see it....

The workers in Cloud City seem to be the Ugnaughts while the rest seem to be residents (extra revenue & good business sense so income is not reliant on the gas mine). The Carbon chamber is located within the vane. To get to it you have to travel down a long shaft. Now the carbon chamber wouldn't be the only facility in the vane as this would serve some other purpose too to do with the mining the gas. Now travelling down the shaft to get to the facility doesn't seem stupid to me as it is a mine and the long shaft may symbolise the shaft that coal miners had to travel down each day. Now if you look at the city it does seem a very clean place and a place that the wealthy would reside (especially when you see the rest of the galaxy at that point in time). Wouldn't it make perfect sense to have the mining facilities and industrial sector tucked away in the bowels of the city?

After studying the movie it is clear that the carbon chamber is situated directly above the room with the window in the vane.

Not everything needs to be explained in movies. like i said before we don't need to see Luke travelling down the shaft. If everything was explained to the audience then what's left for their imagination? Maybe we could get a cameo of Ric Olie in this scene working in the vane and explain everything to the audience?. lol

vaderios said:

adywan said:

 I'm still going to be making a model of it, but this is more to get rid of the flat painting than anything else.

Oh noes :P

 

3d ady.... 3D :)

 

-Angel

 

 

Why 3D when a physical model can be used?

My philosophy for these edits:

  If an element can be shot with a model then a model it will be....

  If it can't then CG will be used

Ganamae said:

hmm if the carbon freezing chamber would be located in the main structure, then what is the place they fight in then? do we know? a large fin in an empty space in the city doing what exactly?! measuring gas levels?

 

I find it odd that that little "boble" on the top of the fin houses the whole carbon chamber...

Well in Ralph McQuarrie's pre-production paintings there were originally 4 structures. Kind of like a set of processing plants. It actually makes sense that the carbon chamber would be located in these structures. Any waste gets dumped down the core and jettisoned out the same type of tubes that Luke is sucked into and to the planet below. After all it is a gaseous planet so doubtful anyone is living below. If you look at the carbon chamber it isn't actually that big. So it is plausible that it can be situated in the dome. The whole section where they fight by the window is like the main control room

i have decided that the design of the vane doesn't need to be radically changed.  I'm still going to be making a model of it, but this is more to get rid of the flat painting than anything else. I'm just going to make the dome at the top slightly larger to accommodate the chamber. The way i see the scene is this:

Luke enters the door and it closes, shutting R2 out. He then walks down the long shaft of the vane and the platform lift takes him up to the carbon chamber. Do we need to see him walking down the tunnel? no. Does all this need to be explained in the edit? Again, no.

dark_jedi said:

Ady do you have any idea when Episode 6 ROTJ might get released?

Thanks

Thats probably not going to happen until next year.

I may still be releasing the 14GB version of ESB if all goes to plan.

Asteroid-Man said:

Ady, do you have a comparison of the image scaled to HD size? I mean a full resolution HD screen Vs a standard sized DVD screen? The ones on the front page are all scaled evenly.

Just look at his hat and you will see how much detail is lost in the DVD version

Well i've just downloaded the triscreen sample that was posted. a 2GBapprox sample? bit of overkill on this because a lower bitrate could easily have been used for this and knocked it down to a couple of hundred MB instead because this doesn't show the quality of the encode.

i was actually a bit surprised by the colour correction. I would love to know what method of colour correction you used WG. was it a script? some shots look good indeed while others have me puzzled. his shot for instance , there is no colour change at all. in fact the WG version has a lower white level causing the image to be slightly darker ( which i noticed in the other scenes too)

As you can see the 2004 & WG have the almost the same colouring, with WG white level being lower, but WG red saturation is much higher and Landos shirt now has green tinting to it where the cyan hue has been shifted towards green.

Now i know just how messed up the colours were in the 2004 transfer. the main problem is the blue tinting. well thats not entirely true. he picture has more of a cyan tint with the blue hues being shifted too much towards cyan. the main problem when you try to eliminate the tint is that you destroy the colouring of the sky and blues that need to be there. It is impossible to colour correct these movies by applying a uniform colour correction or by using a script. it has to be done shot by shot and by using masks for certain areas. Some shots in the 2004 look almost perfect while others are just unbelievable bad. it even changes between shots. one example is in the Hoth command centre when Han goes back for Leia. just watch the shot of 3PO as the explosion happens behind him. the picture is totally green. Also in most shots 3PO is a little too yellow. which brings me to my next snapshot. the colour correction has shifted 3PO's colour in some shots giving him a greenish tint

here is some more snapshots;

CHEWBLACCA said:

Thanks for the quick reply, but the torrents are 1 year old, and the download rate is slooooooow. At the rate I'm at i'll be downloading for a  looooong time.

try the rapidshare links

CHEWBLACCA said:

Hello, I've heard a lot abot Star Wars revisited but have yet to see it. How can i. I'm in America with a NTSC player and help?

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looks like buba is trying to hide her real identity. lol. she's cheating on you all with me. lol

vaderios said:

doubleofive said:

Just as I finally figured out what it all meant, you're changing it?!

 

Yes. there is actually the bottom of the building and the wings are visible from this angle. (*wings* you can spot them in the establishing shot!)

Just to get the idea. there are still some problems i spot.

 

-Angel

no you wouldn't see the bottom of the vane. you may see a bit of the wing (but it would be so slight it wouldn't be worth adding) but none of the structure at all. Look at the angle of the camera. You can see this by looking at the railings.

Bingowings said:

adywan said:

Is it just me or are all the pics hosetd by imageshack not showing?

i can't see any of your pics Vaderios, so i can't comment yet

They are showing up fine here Ady.

 

yeh, they just started showing up after i wrote that. must have been a glitch over at imageshack because i couldn't't access their site for a while too