adywan

There were no mint marks on the disc . I purchased mine Off ebay from someone in China whereas he purchased his from the States. There was a noticeable difference in picture quality between the two also. Please don't say this thing is rare now i've just sold it. :(

Ripplin said:

I just donated a bit. As I told Ady, I would've done so "contest" or no "contest", and I got a bit of a pay raise/rise, so why not now?

Any significance to the name 'penny', Adywan? If you can't say here, that's ok. Just curious.

It's the wife's name. We use her bank account for paypal because i don't have an account that can be used with paypal and i can't set one up because, even though i have been with my bank for over 20 years now, i don''t have the correct identification to set one up that i can have direct debits etc. i don't have a passport or a valid driving licence so none of the proof they require. It's a bloody joke

Thanks Ripplin :)

WXM, good to see you around here again. how have you been? fancy doing any work on ESB:R? lol. Sorry i haven't been in touch but i lost your email in the last PC crash.

I guess that mr ghostface doesn't want to take me up on my challenge then? i guess its too much of a simple task for him. lol

It will be a totally random selection (basically all the names put in a hat type of thing)

Well now all that bad stuff is out the way let's get back on topic

I'm still a way off getting everything i need so i can film all the xtra stuff so i've had a bit of an idea........

Anyone that donates/ has donated between 20th july to 30th august 2009 will get entered into a draw and the person randomly chosen will receive a workprint copy of ESB:R at the stage that it currently stands. But this person would have to agree to 2 things:

1. that they would not make this publicly available or pass it on to anyone else

2. They would have to watch the movie and then write down nots about anything they thing isn't working or any faults they see with the new fx work

It will be an NTSC DVD copy with a temp soundtrack so there would be no need to comment on the audio. This will help me to step back and see anything that i am missing with what i have done so far and what don't work.

So anyone that donates please include your screenname from here so i know who you are to contact you if are the one selected

yes his is better. I would have assumed that all the laserdisc pressings were the same, which is why i didn't bother to see if i could borrow his in the first place. We both purchased our copies off ebay. There is another difference too. On his he has a dolby digital video before the movie starts whereas mine goes from the fox opening directly to the movie. No dolby digital vid at all. very strange indeed

But the sound is so much better than my disc and now at least i won't have to work with all the filters in vegas to try and eliminate the DRC from the original recording.

Ok a bit of news here. I know someone who has a laserdisc player with a demodulator that lives a couple of miles away so i a gave him a ring this afternoon to see if i could try my TPM laserdisc on his setup so i could finally rule out a player problem. Went around, popped it in and indeed it has nothing to do with my setup as it is exactly the same on his. Now here is the strange part. He got a copy just after i got mine off ebay so we popped in his copy. It sounded totally different. We compared the covers and the discs mine has slightly different colour writing on the labels. Mine look a bit dull in comparison. Now i know its highly unlikely that mine isn't an official pressing but why is there such a huge difference in sound quality between mine and his?

He can't rip the audio from his machine because he only has a laptop so he has leant me his copy to re-rip the audio in exchange for a copy of the DVD when its redone. Fair enough swap :)

So what i will do is just post the new AC3 with instructions on how to replace it with the audio on the DVD. It's not going to be until at least next week through because i don't have the time at the moment to do it.

fishmanlee said:

I used it BEFORE, i joined in may and posted the video in april, also when i started i thought a fan edit was called a revisited.

This , as i explained to you, caused a lot of confusion with some people thinking that the clips were to do with my edit and just how bad they looked. And the proof is in the other thread that i asked you very politely to change the titles and why.

and i did

 

Well you sent me the clip of "Luke vs Vader Revisited" on 29th April a while AFTER you had subscribed to my videos on youtube and sent me the friends request and i replied on the 30th asking you to change the title, which you ignored. And please don't come out with the excuse that you didn't get it because the one thing with youtube is that you can see if a message you have sent has been read by the recipient (non read ones are in bold type) and yours was read the day after i sent it because i checked. You then joined here and started posting the same clips. Now on 30th may you posted " Luke vs Vader Revisited HD". It was pointed out to you that you were using the same title as my edits but you ignored that so then again asked you to change the title, but this time in the rescored thread and finally you did. And that is the most pathetic excuse that you thought fanedits were called Revisited. How come none of your other videos used it, only the ones you did the saber effects for ROTJ, a film i haven't got around to doing yet? Maybe to push your channels viewing figures up?

fishmanlee said:

adywan said:

Well suddenly you delete my comment and when i gain commented on youtube and asked why you had deleted my original comment you blatantly lied and said that you deleted it because

swearing? and conflict resolvment

I had not swore once in that comment and i will not be accused of doing something that i did not do. If you couldn't take the criticism about the clip then why bother uploading to a site that people can add comment. And don't you dare ever accuse me of doing something i have not done as a pathetic excuse why you deleted my comment.But you keep the comment i made directly after posting that one because i had ran out of space which shows that i was not aggressive or swearing in my comment:

Like i have said before i have no problem with anyone using the video work i did  for my Revisited edits but at least have the courtesy to give me credit for the work i did and not let people think that you may have done it.

I thought i would post that comment here before you delete that one too

I have filter objectionable words on and it blocked a word and i didnt want to read the word, now i kind of wish i had, it would have helped to avoid conflict?

You didn't want to read the word? What, would your head explode or your world collapse if you saw a swear word? yet you seem fine to come into a forum where swearing isn't filtered? What a crock of bull. That's because there was no swearing in my post and you can't back up the argument with the supposed word i used. But even if it did have a swear word then why delete it? Others can have the "swear filter" enabled if they object to swearing and you have it applied so you wouldn't have to see it.   Just admit that it was because you didn't like the negative comment i gave and called you out about yet again trying to pass off someone else's work as your own, but with just a few bad cuts. Your edits are just hacked up messes without any thought put into them so i would kindly like to ask you NOT to use any of my footage for your work. It's embarrassing what you are doing to them. Please respect my wishes and use either the GOUT, 2004 DVD's or your own work for your clips and edits.

You do realise that youtubes filter removes words like "hell" & "damn" amongst others don't you? Is that swearing? no

One lie and bad excuse after another to cover your back.

Goodbye.

satanika said:

adywan said:

The main problem is that i no longer have any of the original files i used to create the disc so it would mean rebuilding it from scratch which is probably going to be impossible :(

Um, just replace the old ac3 with the new or am I missing something? Why would it need rebuilding from scratch?

Well i'm testing out a way to replace the audio using vobblanker, dvddecrypter, muxman & pgcedit  so that i would only need to upload the new AC3 and it could replace the original audio, without changing the menus etc. Its a very long winded process and if it fails i would have to re-do the whole DVD. because i no longer have any of the files , including the DVD Architect  project file, i would have to rebuild the DVD from scratch, something i probably won't do if it came to it.

here's an AC3 sample. the first part is the raw capture the second is using the filters in vegas

http://rapidshare.com/files/260531424/tpm_filtered_test.ac3

It is a huge disappointment for me and i wish i had stuck with the DVD audio for this. I did some more tests at the weekend. First i captured a 10 minute section of TPM (beginning of the Obi/Qui-gon/Maul duel) as this had some of the worse compression. The results were exactly the same. Straight away i popped in the ESB SE laserdisc and captured the Hoth battle and there were no compression problems. So i decided to capture the whole of this side of the ESB laserdisc and the results were perfect.

Then i tested both sources again through my home cinema system. I watched a whole side of each movie. No problems whatsoever with ESB but TPM clearly has the compression

So these tests rule out player problems, capturing problems and playback problems as if there was a fault with any of the set-ups then ESB would suffer the same problems, which it didn't.

There is some good news however, i have been messing about with the TPM audio and applying a few filters in vegas and i have eliminated almost all of the DRC. It's still slightly noticeable in some places but probably only because i know where these spots are and may not be noticeable to anyone else.

Now the dilemma i have is do i bother doing a v2 of this project with this new audio track?

i'll post a short ac3 sample later so you can hear the difference between the two mixes and then you can see if its worth me redoing the whole DVD with this new mix. The main problem is that i no longer have any of the original files i used to create the disc so it would mean rebuilding it from scratch which is probably going to be impossible :(

fishmanlee, consider yourself taken off the credits list and blocked on my youtube account. I had been polite and tolerant of you when you were posting clips on youtube and the links in here when you used the title "revisited" for these clips. Yes you changed the title when i asked but moaned that the word revisited isn't solely associated with my edit, which i do know that. But you only started using the Revisited titles AFTER you joined here and began posting links to the clips in the Revisited thread and in another thread. This , as i explained to you, caused a lot of confusion with some people thinking that the clips were to do with my edit and just how bad they looked. And the proof is in the other thread that i asked you very politely to change the titles and why.

Now you have started posting clips stating that they are from YOUR fan edit called "Rise of the Rebellion" (which is another name you have taken from another edit), made some horrible cuts but failed to give me any credit for the video source you were using. Now to top it all you sent me a link to this video. I made a comment stating that again you had failed to give any credit to the original creators and that the cuts were horrible, which many people have told you about your bad cuts time and time again, offering to help you with your edits, but you either ignore them or state that you have the talents and to basically shut up because you know what you are doing.

Well suddenly you delete my comment and when i gain commented on youtube and asked why you had deleted my original comment you blatantly lied and said that you deleted it because

swearing? and conflict resolvment

I had not swore once in that comment and i will not be accused of doing something that i did not do. If you couldn't take the criticism about the clip then why bother uploading to a site that people can add comment. And don't you dare ever accuse me of doing something i have not done as a pathetic excuse why you deleted my comment.But you keep the comment i made directly after posting that one because i had ran out of space which shows that i was not aggressive or swearing in my comment:

Like i have said before i have no problem with anyone using the video work i did  for my Revisited edits but at least have the courtesy to give me credit for the work i did and not let people think that you may have done it.

I thought i would post that comment here before you delete that one too

I can be tolerant, to a point, but i'm afraid you crossed the line.

Sevb32 said:

Any word, yay or nay on the one new still per month proposal I begged for?

No

lol

dlbsyst said:

Adywan thanks for this fine dvd but...

I hate to say it because so far all of your releases have been superb but I am a very disappointed with the sound on this release. As someone who own's and has heard the AC3 audio on the Japanese LD I can safely say that the audio on this dvd doesn't even come close. I can hear massive amounts of dynamic compression going on in this mix especially in the loud parts. It sounds to me like the soft parts have been brought up and the loud parts have been brought down. Explosions sound much quiter than they should and the big light saber battle, which was so amazing on the LD falls totally flat here. I hope I don't offend you Adywan as I'm just giving my honest opinion. Is it possible something slipped in when you assembled/recoded the sound in Vegas?

 

-dlbsyst

I mentioned about this before. It has nothing to do with the encoding process in Vegas. This was present on the laserdisc. TPM was recorded at the same time as i did the SE OT and there was no problem with the recording of those. The compression is on the laserdisc itself. I have watched the laserdisc through my home cinema system and its very noticeable on that too. This is why i was originally going to use the DVD audio. If it had anything to do with my set-up or the way i captured the audio for TPM then the problem would be there with the 3 OT discs too, which it isn't (and TPM was recorded straight after ANH and before ESB on the same day with no settings changed as it was a bit-for-bit recording through the optical input)

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Vader424242 said:

Hi all,

A huge thanks to Adywan for all of his hard work!  These are my first foray into AVCHD, and my player is known to be rather finicky with the format.  I just finished watching ANH, and the picture is astounding!  I noticed a couple of things which I attribute to my player (Pioneer Elite 05FD), and not the disc (I really hope I do not have a bad download).  First, lip sync was lost multiple times (to the tune of 1-2 seconds), and then corrected itself after a scene or two (?!?).  The main one was repeatable: when R2 is sacked by the Jawas, the sound goes out of sync when the head Jawa jumps out with the EMP gun (or whatever it is) and fires.  The audio is about a second behind the picture (so the classic "thud" when R2 falls over is late).  By the next scene, all is right again.  Second, there were several random pauses (similar to a layer change on SD-DVD) or what looked like bad jump edits (not repeatable).  I would think if the download (or DVD burn) were corrupt, the disc would not play at all.  Thoughts?


Thanks again to Adywan!

I assure you the whole movie is in sync. I just double checked the section you mentioned and it is in sync. This could be down to a player issue. But the random pauses sounds more like a media/ burn issue to me. When burning any DL media make sure you burn on the lowest possible speed. I would recommend using IMGBurn to burn the disc as its probably the best burner and its free. Also i would recommend Verbatim as these seem to have the best player compatibility when compared to other cheaper media. but you need to be careful when buying DL verbatim. make sure that the discs are the ones manufactured in Singapore. If they are manufactured in India then they are a pile of shit frankly. But the sync issues seems to be that the player doesn't like the 24fps encode. you could try changing the framerate of the movie to see if that works. I posted a way of doing it that only takes a few minutes and you don't have to re-encode the movie. It starts here and if your still having problems then just keep reading on as there are a few more tips:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THE-STAR-WARS-SAGA-1080P-AVCHD-DVD-9-for-PS3-Blu-Ray-players-Episode-1-available-now/post/343870/#post343870

To do all this you will need to mount the AVCHD iso image using daemontools or something similar and then the MT2S file can be located in the BDMV>STREAM folder. If your PC can't recognise the image after mounting then you will need to install the UDF 2.50 driver first.

This can be downloaded here:

http://files.digital-digest.com/downloads/articles/XBOX360.HD-DVDRom.UDF.Reader.v2.5.WindowsXP-BluePrint.rar

hope this helps

Mr Ghostface said:

 

Oh, I wasn't offering suggestions for ANH:R, I was just pointing out that it's not all that special and some of the praise Adywan gets for it seems to be borne of an ignorance of how much simpler this is to do than a lot of people realise. And didn't he say that the new CG stuff isn't even his, that another guy did it. I'm not saying this to pull him down; it's more that I feel other editors don't get the same praise when their editing skills are just as good, and some of them are definitely more seamless than Adywan's.

Simple to do? Do you even realise how much work actually went into this? The only way i could get any of the things done was to reuse elements from the rest of the OT saga. If its so simple to just take elements from the movies and add them into new footage then please lets see what you can do, without the use of any CG. please, create a new full motion FX shot, not just static ships, and create a whole new scene, having to trace the outlines of each elements, frame by frame, matching the motion to your new elements &  then tell me how easy it is As has been pointed out to you many shots and elements were re-used throughout the OT and anyone who knows the films would know that. Many FX elements were taken from previous movies. Very evident in the space battle in ROTJ. Cat and pasted ships, a reused X-wing explosion from the trench run in ANH during the core run, many Stardestroyers in ESb were reused from earlier on in the movie, and the list could go on and on. An this is with a multi million dollar FX house doing it. I am just one man working on a home PC in a 1 bedroom flat. How the hell was i supposed to do new elements for the shots i needed? And please don't say CG because that was something i wanted to avoid and only 1 shot in ANH:R was ever done by using CG ships (the TIE approach)

And you are so wrong about the stardestroyer from ESB being noticeable because it has a more blue tint than the ones used in ANH. I guess you've taken that assumption from the 2004 DVds. ESB has more of a blue tint than ANH and actually the stardestroyers in ESB originally had more of a brownish tint to them, whereas the ones originally in ANH were more pure white. The slight blue tint to the ships in the the new opening Death Star sequence was because the scene was taking place over a blue planet, but was changed to a grey planet later in production, but removing the very slight blue tint was kept. And again you are wrong about the planet below being "badly drawn" because it was actually a hi-res photo of earth taken by nasa and desaturated to take away the earth look.

I also never took any credit for the CG TIEs and made it perfectly clear that they were done by someone else and that i only did the background elements for that shot.

You also made the same comment about the added music over at fanedit.org ages ago and someone told you that there was a purist edition out that has none of the added music, but you still come in here and again go on about the same thing.The purist was made for people who discount the PT so no need to tie anything in with the PT while the other version was to be watched as part of a 6 film saga

This edit was only ever originally for me and would never have seen the light of day if i hadn't come in here. i had never done anything like this or had any knowledge of how to do Fx work and never did this to get any form of praise. I did what i was able to do with what i had to work with and i am proud of it.

I'd also like to ask you if you work in the film industry, a film school student/ graduate or have no connections whatsoever

OMG the R1 shots on that site are horrendous. having never seen the R1 version, being in PAL land, i was always wondering why there was such a fuss kicked up about the EE when it wasn't too noticeable on the Pal DVD. Now i can see why.

Kurgan said:

So, is someone going to post a split screen comparison of the official DVD to this one?

If someone who has the R1 NTSC TPM could capture some screenshots and send me i can get some comparison shots done so you can see the difference

Moth3r said:

adywan said:

... I'm actually starting to think that the halo effect has always been there. Its present in the trailers also.

Really? I read that the trailer (on the R1 DVD) is encoded with quite a low bitrate and isn't quite as detailed, but shows almost no EE.

taken from the trailer. resized to 200% with no filters or sharpening applied:

Moth3r said:

So PowerDVD says the audio is Dolby Digital 5.1 EX 448kbps. I thought the maximum AC3 datarate on a laserdisc was 384kbps? Or is PowerDVD giving the wrong information? (Too lazy to demux and check myself.)

Also, the official R1 NTSC DVD has horrendous halos due to edge enhancement (the R2 PAL disc had them as well, but not as bad). I've read that the HDTV source still had some halos, but was much better. Anyone with the R1 DVD want to do some screenshot comparisons?

Its correct when reporting 448kbps but i don't know why its reporting Dolby Digital EX as that flag was disabled when encoding the AC3 in vegas. It was impossible to just splice the audio from the 3 sides of the laserdisc because there was a second gap in the audio between sides 2 & 3. I had to demux the audio to 6 seperate wavs for each side, then sync it in vegas and patch up the missing audio using the DVD. i chose to use 448kbps because i didn't want to degrade the audio by encoding it back to 384kbps and also some older DVD players have problems playing 384kbps 5.1 audio

The halo effect is still present in the HDTV transfer. I'm actually starting to think that the halo effect has always been there. Its present in the trailers also. The HDTV transfer is a different one to the DVD, yet the sharpening halo effects remain. Very worrying.

Bingowings said:

Nanner Split said:

skyjedi2005 said:

The newer doctor whos are some of the best new science fiction that has been on television.  Amazingly well written and casted, well most of the time anyway.

 

Well, pretty much all the ones that Russell T. Davies DIDN'T write were awesome. :P

I have to agree with you there Tooth And Claw, Turn Left and Midnight were great and the recent Torchwood thing was good too even if it was largely pinched off The Space Traders and The Quatermass Conclusion.

He does write nice little character moments but give him anything that requires Science Fiction ideas or an epic finale and he gets lost, most of those stories seem to based on playing early platform games, only Russell can take a joke from Galaxy Quest and take it seriously.

I've seen comments exactly the same as this over on the Doctor Who boards, constantly slating RTD's writing, saying anything he writes is crap and how great Tooth and claw, Midnight and Torchwood:children of earth was and that he should take note of how to write good episodes like that. Well he was the one that wrote them. No one ever seems to mention the crappy episodes that were written by someone else though like Fear Her, The lazarus experiment &The idiots lantern for example which were some of the worse episodes of the new era.

Lets not forget this is the guy who brought Doctor Who back to what it once was: one of the vary rare programs that the whole family enjoys, just like it was in the 60's & 70's. That is unheard of nowadays. Just look back at the original Doctor who episodes. many were complete crap and then Doctor who became a joke amongst all but the hardened fans. It became complete garbage and thankfully died.  I grew up with Doctor who and loved the Pertwee/ Baker era. New Who is as good now as it was at its height originally.

RTD is a good writer. Just take a look at Second Coming. That was a great drama and had a great ending. One of the best and completely different dramas that had been on TV in a very long time

Can you imagine if the BBC had gone down a different route and hired one of its usual in house writers to bring back DW? One of the writers of eastenders? Just how crap would that have been? And the acting is miles better than it has ever been in Doctor Who (not counting most of the Doctors of course)

Now that rant is over. lol

Another little titbit thats popped up form the on set photos is that Alex Kingston has now been confirmed to be back as River Song with Matt Smiths Doctor and that Karen Gillan's character, Amy Pond, is to have a scottish accent.

I've never had a problem with the different coloured IG-88 droid being there. It actually has been painted as you can see different shades and weathering on it. All droids don't look metallic. Just look at the beginning of the movie , we have a white protocol droid that isn't metallic. so i won't be doing anything here..... or will i? lol

has anyone noticed that in the final shot of that scene smack bang in the bottom middle of the frame is a recoloured set piece from the Tantive IV? And one of the droids from the jawas garage sale is in there too & in the first shot you can see 4-LOM with a different body

Sevb32 said:

adywan said:

Sevb32 said:

Still no news! I'd prefer a bad excuse to....... NO NEWS! ;)

You are really starting to piss me off now Sevb32. You bloody moan and moan that this edit is taking ages to do, then moan some more when i announce that i will be building more models for filming which delays the movie even more, then bloody moan when i haven't posted anything in about a day. Make up your damn mind. do you want me to work on the edit to get it done quicker or have to come in here every day to give you news thus wasting a lot of my time when there would be nothing to say? And now you accuse me of giving bad excuses when i do post. The "dead thread" posts have gone beyond a joke now and that last remark has pushed me beyond my patience. Consider this a polite warning.

 

Now, because the fund dried up a while ago i was thinking of releasing a new clip but it wouldn't be exclusive just for donaters. Yes, donaters would get to see it a little earlier than everyone else, but it would be released publicly a couple of weeks later. This way everyone gets to see it no matter what.

So sevb32, was it all just hot air from you then? lol

 

Ok, i'm starting back on ESB:R this weekend now i've finished my theatrical TPM. I needed that break from ESB:R. But, because i have just found out that my back Muscles are deteriorating to the point that walking has now become complete agony after a few minutes (nothing to do with me sitting at the pc hours on end by the way), i will be stuck in the house sitting down, so where better than at my computer or at my work desk building the models instead of just being stuck in front of the telly doing nothing. So i apologise if i come off as a bit aggressive lately. 24/7 pain is not a nice thing to live with

 

 

 

 

I guess you didn't notice the wink, intention was to get people talking and something going in here than it was to jump on you about anything. No need to get angry, and the dead thread posts are for the same reason, to get people talking. I am sorry to hear about your pain. I hope it gets better. :(

apology accepted, captain sevb32 :)

vaderios said:

Ady, are you going to fix the colors of the buttons that luke have on his chest plate during the copcit shots in snowspeeder?

They seem to change colors and brightness all the time.

 

-Angel

yeh. the problem is caused by the colour of the right side button. It is blue and , when they shoot against a blue screen, the blue is lost and its changes to grey, green and even white. Its going to be a lot of work to mask out the button for each shoot to restore the blue, but its something that does need doing

EyeShotFirst said:

Adywan, Sorry to ask this way too early, But what do you plan to do with the rest of the saga Mainly the prequels to make Darth Vaders line in ESB about being Luke's father more of a suprise? I hate the fact that George Lucas completely forgot about the OT when making the PT. Why did he have to spoon feed us?

I really won't know until i have the OT finished. Once ROTJ:R is finished i will have a better idea of how to fit the PT in with the OT depending on the direction ROTJ takes.

Davnes007 said:

The Golden Idol said:

How do you know this?

He felt it.

 

Anyway, here's a 'quick' little video I just made that has that clip in it, as-well-as a couple of other crazy, wacky, and odd ideas. Set your faces to 'stunned'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQm9rlbJSyI

Pretty funny. Loved the stardestroyer hiding behind the clouds and the "327" stamped on the landing pad.

I can't believe that it sparked a debate about adding the empire attacking bespin though. I'm pretty suure this was covered a while ago. It really doesn't need to happen in the scale of having a stardestroyer over the city though. while it would be visually stunning its something to cut the pace of the movie up like the added vader scene did. . We do see that TIEs appear when the falcon is escaping and lando does mention the fighters when Leia want to go back for Luke,and having  some background TIEs shooting down ships may well take the focus of the main action.

hans olof said:

This has already been noted (forgive me!), but it would be nice if Adywan checked the Marvel cartoon of ESB from 1980 by Archie Goodwin (Marvel Super Special 16 or Star Wars #39 to #44 (6 issues)) to get the special feeling of the movie, how it could be..(could be even more inspiring in the work of the revisited ESB). This cartoon has for an example a scene with a rebel on a tauntaun which is running in front of the AT-ATs before the fight begins. This may be impossible to add, but just check the cartoon, because it contains things from the script that never made it to the screen (for example the stick that Luke has sliced in smaller parts on Dagobah as a part of the Jedi training). Another things are that the probe droid on Hoth is destroying a smaller outpost before Han and Chewie encounter it.

One question: In this 1980 cartoon (which is based on the original script), Luke screams "NEVER!!!" when he falls from Darth Vader when he tries to get him over to the dark side. Was the SE- scream from 1997 closer to the original script than we thought?

 

yeh, i have the marvel adaptation somewhere. The rebel running away from the AT-AT's was actually taken from a Ralph McQuarrie painting from a section of the original script where Luke is on the Taun taun.

oh_riginal said:

But, to go back on topic, one thing that still bothers me about ESB to this day is the shot of Luke while he is doing a handstand on Dagobah. In the wide shots, Luke's arms are straightened all the way, and the pose looks convincing, but when it cuts to a close-up of Luke, his elbows are bent, and he looks like an actor being held upside down, reaching his arms to the ground, rather than holding himself up. Though I don't think this is fixable....

Not a lot i can do about that, i'm afraid.

HotRod said:

I still think the hover board looks total wank!!

lol

Sevb32 said:

Still no news! I'd prefer a bad excuse to....... NO NEWS! ;)

You are really starting to piss me off now Sevb32. You bloody moan and moan that this edit is taking ages to do, then moan some more when i announce that i will be building more models for filming which delays the movie even more, then bloody moan when i haven't posted anything in about a day.  Make up your damn mind. do you want me to work on the edit to get it done quicker or have to come in here every day to give you news thus wasting a lot of my time when there would be nothing to say? And now you accuse me of giving bad excuses when i do post.   The "dead thread" posts have gone beyond a joke now and that last remark has pushed me beyond my patience. Consider this a polite warning.

Now, because the fund dried up a while ago i was thinking of releasing a new clip but it wouldn't be exclusive just for donaters. Yes, donaters would get to see it a little earlier than everyone else, but it would be released publicly a couple of weeks later. This way everyone gets to see it no matter what.

So sevb32, was it all just hot air from you then? lol

Ok, i'm starting back on ESB:R this weekend now i've finished my theatrical TPM.  I needed that break from ESB:R. But, because i have just found out that my back Muscles are deteriorating to the point that walking has now become complete agony  after a few minutes (nothing to do with me sitting at the pc hours on end  by the way), i will be stuck in the house sitting down, so where better than at my computer or at my work desk building the models  instead of just being stuck in front of the telly doing nothing. So i apologise if i come off as a bit aggressive lately. 24/7 pain is not a nice thing to live with