adywan

Sevb32 said:

adywan said:

Sevb32 said:

Still no news! I'd prefer a bad excuse to....... NO NEWS! ;)

You are really starting to piss me off now Sevb32. You bloody moan and moan that this edit is taking ages to do, then moan some more when i announce that i will be building more models for filming which delays the movie even more, then bloody moan when i haven't posted anything in about a day. Make up your damn mind. do you want me to work on the edit to get it done quicker or have to come in here every day to give you news thus wasting a lot of my time when there would be nothing to say? And now you accuse me of giving bad excuses when i do post. The "dead thread" posts have gone beyond a joke now and that last remark has pushed me beyond my patience. Consider this a polite warning.

 

Now, because the fund dried up a while ago i was thinking of releasing a new clip but it wouldn't be exclusive just for donaters. Yes, donaters would get to see it a little earlier than everyone else, but it would be released publicly a couple of weeks later. This way everyone gets to see it no matter what.

So sevb32, was it all just hot air from you then? lol

 

Ok, i'm starting back on ESB:R this weekend now i've finished my theatrical TPM. I needed that break from ESB:R. But, because i have just found out that my back Muscles are deteriorating to the point that walking has now become complete agony after a few minutes (nothing to do with me sitting at the pc hours on end by the way), i will be stuck in the house sitting down, so where better than at my computer or at my work desk building the models instead of just being stuck in front of the telly doing nothing. So i apologise if i come off as a bit aggressive lately. 24/7 pain is not a nice thing to live with

 

 

 

 

I guess you didn't notice the wink, intention was to get people talking and something going in here than it was to jump on you about anything. No need to get angry, and the dead thread posts are for the same reason, to get people talking. I am sorry to hear about your pain. I hope it gets better. :(

apology accepted, captain sevb32 :)

vaderios said:

Ady, are you going to fix the colors of the buttons that luke have on his chest plate during the copcit shots in snowspeeder?

They seem to change colors and brightness all the time.

 

-Angel

yeh. the problem is caused by the colour of the right side button. It is blue and , when they shoot against a blue screen, the blue is lost and its changes to grey, green and even white. Its going to be a lot of work to mask out the button for each shoot to restore the blue, but its something that does need doing

EyeShotFirst said:

Adywan, Sorry to ask this way too early, But what do you plan to do with the rest of the saga Mainly the prequels to make Darth Vaders line in ESB about being Luke's father more of a suprise? I hate the fact that George Lucas completely forgot about the OT when making the PT. Why did he have to spoon feed us?

I really won't know until i have the OT finished. Once ROTJ:R is finished i will have a better idea of how to fit the PT in with the OT depending on the direction ROTJ takes.

Davnes007 said:

The Golden Idol said:

How do you know this?

He felt it.

 

Anyway, here's a 'quick' little video I just made that has that clip in it, as-well-as a couple of other crazy, wacky, and odd ideas. Set your faces to 'stunned'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQm9rlbJSyI

Pretty funny. Loved the stardestroyer hiding behind the clouds and the "327" stamped on the landing pad.

I can't believe that it sparked a debate about adding the empire attacking bespin though. I'm pretty suure this was covered a while ago. It really doesn't need to happen in the scale of having a stardestroyer over the city though. while it would be visually stunning its something to cut the pace of the movie up like the added vader scene did. . We do see that TIEs appear when the falcon is escaping and lando does mention the fighters when Leia want to go back for Luke,and having  some background TIEs shooting down ships may well take the focus of the main action.

hans olof said:

This has already been noted (forgive me!), but it would be nice if Adywan checked the Marvel cartoon of ESB from 1980 by Archie Goodwin (Marvel Super Special 16 or Star Wars #39 to #44 (6 issues)) to get the special feeling of the movie, how it could be..(could be even more inspiring in the work of the revisited ESB). This cartoon has for an example a scene with a rebel on a tauntaun which is running in front of the AT-ATs before the fight begins. This may be impossible to add, but just check the cartoon, because it contains things from the script that never made it to the screen (for example the stick that Luke has sliced in smaller parts on Dagobah as a part of the Jedi training). Another things are that the probe droid on Hoth is destroying a smaller outpost before Han and Chewie encounter it.

One question: In this 1980 cartoon (which is based on the original script), Luke screams "NEVER!!!" when he falls from Darth Vader when he tries to get him over to the dark side. Was the SE- scream from 1997 closer to the original script than we thought?

 

yeh, i have the marvel adaptation somewhere. The rebel running away from the AT-AT's was actually taken from a Ralph McQuarrie painting from a section of the original script where Luke is on the Taun taun.

oh_riginal said:

But, to go back on topic, one thing that still bothers me about ESB to this day is the shot of Luke while he is doing a handstand on Dagobah. In the wide shots, Luke's arms are straightened all the way, and the pose looks convincing, but when it cuts to a close-up of Luke, his elbows are bent, and he looks like an actor being held upside down, reaching his arms to the ground, rather than holding himself up. Though I don't think this is fixable....

Not a lot i can do about that, i'm afraid.

HotRod said:

I still think the hover board looks total wank!!

lol

Sevb32 said:

Still no news! I'd prefer a bad excuse to....... NO NEWS! ;)

You are really starting to piss me off now Sevb32. You bloody moan and moan that this edit is taking ages to do, then moan some more when i announce that i will be building more models for filming which delays the movie even more, then bloody moan when i haven't posted anything in about a day.  Make up your damn mind. do you want me to work on the edit to get it done quicker or have to come in here every day to give you news thus wasting a lot of my time when there would be nothing to say? And now you accuse me of giving bad excuses when i do post.   The "dead thread" posts have gone beyond a joke now and that last remark has pushed me beyond my patience. Consider this a polite warning.

Now, because the fund dried up a while ago i was thinking of releasing a new clip but it wouldn't be exclusive just for donaters. Yes, donaters would get to see it a little earlier than everyone else, but it would be released publicly a couple of weeks later. This way everyone gets to see it no matter what.

So sevb32, was it all just hot air from you then? lol

Ok, i'm starting back on ESB:R this weekend now i've finished my theatrical TPM.  I needed that break from ESB:R. But, because i have just found out that my back Muscles are deteriorating to the point that walking has now become complete agony  after a few minutes (nothing to do with me sitting at the pc hours on end  by the way), i will be stuck in the house sitting down, so where better than at my computer or at my work desk building the models  instead of just being stuck in front of the telly doing nothing. So i apologise if i come off as a bit aggressive lately. 24/7 pain is not a nice thing to live with

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oh_riginal said:

adywan said:

thats a lot of damaged files. what usenet provider are you using? Ep1 was only posted a couple of weeks ago so it should still be complete even with an ISPs service.

 

 

 usenet.com server, downloading through grabit.

i would switch your provider if its giving you that many incomplete files with something so recent.  i use astraweb. i'm only paying $11 per month for their unlimited service through their special offer. its very rare i get any incompletes

thats a lot of damaged files. what usenet provider are you using? Ep1 was only posted a couple of weeks ago so it should still be complete even with an ISPs service.

Moth3r said:

Great stuff, Ady.

This is a project I was considering tackling myself at some point - now I don't have to. And your colour correction is definitely a bonus.

Is it OK to download the files going up now or is there going to be a repack or proper along later... j/k :-)

lo. no there won't be a repack. There is one small glitch that i just couldn't fix though due to the software i used. When playing the movie through the chapters menu the forced subs don't appear. I tried everything but its still switched the subs off in the rendered DVD. playing the movie direct through the main menu or the options menu they work fine. So if playing the movie from the chapters menu just select the first subtitle track using your remote. hopefully they will fix this bug in an update but i'm not holding my breath.

oh_riginal said:

Funcha said:

Use par buddy with one of the par files and it will restore the missing par file. Still don't quite get the whole par rebuilding concept, but it's worked when I needed it!

 

Trying to work with par buddy... but not having much luck finding the settings used to repair and to add the missing rar.

Par is a whole new thing to me, as I never heard of it before. Any help/advice?

use quickpar instead. Just open one of the par2 files with quickpar and it will scan the set. Once that is complete  just click the "repair" button and it will fix any damaged rars, as long as you have enough par2 files

going up in a.b.starwars now :)

ChainsawAsh said:

adywan said:

It will be freely available through usenet in the usual group from Tuesday 19th July 2009

Sunday (today) is the 19th - Tuesday is the 21st.  I take it the Tuesday is right, but the 19th is not?

I'm far more excited for this project than someone who generally pretends the prequels never happened should be ...

DOH. lol

Just updated the first post with the full specs of the DVD

Ripplin i would say that you are correct when you say you will be getting a lot of people yelling at you when they finish the download and start to watch that. I would say that is unwatchable. Asteroid-man, what did you use to encode the XVID? You can easily fit a 2 hour movie to a 700mb xvid cd keeping good quality so it has nothing to do with the length of the film. Are the black bars encoded in the XVID too? And isn't the video vertically stretched? There are many guides to XVID encoding that would have helped. One thing i don't get though is with the video looking like that it would have to have a super low bitrate so it should have only been about 150mb Max with that quality. Its almost as if it was deliberately encoded that way. There is no detail in the picture whatsoever which, even at super low bitrate you would still get detail and not what looks to be a filter applied to destroy the video itself

I'm also curious as to why you will be taking donations. You say its because you will be sending copies out on DVD with printed covers, well this is dangerous territory. I have never charged anyone, or took donations, in return for a copy of the finished DVD's. Just because someone has offered does not mean that you should accept monetary payment for your edit. I had many offers of donations, but the ones that offered when there was no equipment or materials for my edit, these were turned down or returned to them if they had already sent the donation. I have always felt that receiving any monetary compensation so you can send out copies is too close to actually selling the edit, which goes against everything reputable fan editors stand for. It can also get you noticed by the wrong people.

Aleksbmw said:

So your using the soundblaster after the demodulator to rip the ac3 audio then ? What laserdisc player do you have by the way.

Its just a cheap sony one i got off ebay a while ago. i only got it because it has an RF output and the yamaha demodulator with it just so i could rip the 5.1 audio off the discs

Edit:

It's ok i just nominated myself for the biggest dick head award. The original bit for bit recording is fine. I had recently updated the drivers for the soundcard and there's an extra feature that doesn't seem to be linked with the main audio control panel and this one has extra effects. turns out that the problem lay within one of the new filters for playback. In the main panel all effects are disabled but in the new one there was a few new ones that were enabled by default. So the final DVD will have the bit-for-bit  laserdisc audio after all. I feel such a bloody idiot :(

Moth3r said:

adywan said:

EDIT: just done a short rerecord of the laserdisc 5.1 but this time i recorded it with the soundblaster X-FI crystalizer enabled and this seems to have cured a lot of the problems and also made the whole mix amazingly better. I think i may well go with the laserdisc audio for this project now if all goes well with the whole recording

Woah just a minute, I'm sorry but alarm bells are ringing now.

When you "record" an AC-3 stream off laserdisc surely the stream that you end up with is bit-for-bit identical to the digital data stored on the laserdisc?

The "sound" that comes over the SPDIF is effectively just "noise" (as it's encoded digital data). So how would running it through a proprietary processing system improve it?

Oh and BTW I Googled X-Fi and found this:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=54212

Thats how i originally recorded the audio,bit for bit through the optical front input of my sound card,  which didn't have a great result, but this time i tried a different approach and recorded it using "what you can hear" with the crystalizer enabled and the difference is amazing. it still has the obvious auto volume effect, but to a lesser degree and the clarity is so much better

That link is for the cheaper x-fi xtreme audio card. The one i have is the fatality which has a different chipset. I've never listened to all the hype about this range of cards. i got it just because it had the front input bay with optical input & output , coaxial input & output, midi, full size microphone jack & standard phono inputs and it was on offer at half price when i got it. i have to say though that it is a damn good soundcard now they fixed the drivers bug when it first came out. The crystalizer really does improve the audio on many sources. You want to hear the ROTJ soundtrack through it. no more muddy sound

And thanks ChainsawAsh :)

Its a strange thing indeed. it seems to be side 3 that suffers the most. some scenes are fine while others suffer highly. I may see if i can fix this issue, or at least make it less noticeable or if that doesn't work i may just stick it on the DVd for preservation sake. the laserdisc mix is slightly better than the DVD but the dampening problems just stick out like a sore thumb to my ears.

EDIT: just done a short rerecord of the laserdisc 5.1 but this time i recorded it with the soundblaster X-FI crystalizer enabled and this seems to have cured a lot of the problems and also made the whole mix amazingly better. I think i may well go with the laserdisc audio for this project now if all goes well with the whole recording

yeh, its strange because the OT SE discs are so good. The volume fluctuates so bad. You can here the compression kick in on some of the louder parts and then the volume slowly increases. . Only the 5.1 track suffers with this. the 2.0 track is fine. It's nothing to do with my setup either because i ripped TPM's audio at the same time as i did the SE OT's and they were fine. Attempted a second rip and that's still the same.

Here's a quick 5.1 AC3 sample that shows what i mean

http://rapidshare.com/files/256771696/tpm_laserdisc_5_1_audio_sample.ac3

Moth3r said:

adywan said:

Audio: 5.1 Dolby Surround sound

Untouched from the Japanese laserdisc, yes?

Unfortunately , no. The laserdisc audio isn't as good as the OT laserdisc 5.1 tracks. It has some really bad volume compression/ dampening , similar type to an auto volume level filter, on the FL & FR channels.  I used the laserdisc audio only for the theatrical sections. The main audio i used was the Retail DVD which was much better.

Moth3r said:

BTW you're not really supposed to request things on this forum that are available on retail DVDs, but seeing as you have already bought the R2 disc I'll let you off this time... ;-)

Oops, sorry.

While having a short break from ESB:Revisited I decided to recreate the theatrical version of EP 1 as this is another version of a Star Wars movie that has disappeared into obscurity and is only available on VHS, laserdisc or a slightly better quality TV broadcast version. For this i am using my colour corrected 1080p HDTV as a source and the TB PAL theatrical broadcast DVD. Here is the specs of the DVD so far:

Video: 720 x 480 NTSC DVD-9
Audio: 5.1 Dolby Surround sound taken from the Japanese laserdisc
Subtitles: English (forced), English

Full motion menus

Extras: Isolated music score track
           Teaser trailer
           Theatrical trailer
           Duel Of The Fates Music video - Revamped (with choice to have music only,with added dialogue & new rock version)
           Music of Episode 1: short John Williams featurette

Now the main video and audio sides of things is complete along with the majority of the DVD authoring.

I am revamping the Duel of the fates music video by using better quality movie footage from my colour corrected version and it will be presented in 2:35.1 with the original BTS footage re-framed for this.

I won't be posting any physical copies of this so please don't ask. It will be freely available through usenet in the usual group from Tuesday 21st July 2009

There is a very minor problem with the DVD: if you select the movie through the chapters menu the forced subs fail to show. It was a problem with the authoring software.  If going through the chapter menu just select the first subtitle track using our remote then the forced subs will show. There forced subs work perfectly when playing the movie via the main menu and options menu

My ANH AVCHD has the 5.1 laserdisc audio captured using a yamaha natural sound RF demodulator.It doesn't use any other source. All is did was cut  out the shot of greedo firing. My ESB AVCHD has the full unedited 5.1 laserdisc audio

Astraweb are having a special offer at the moment. Unlimited download for only $11

Well i have had the pleasure of seeing the entire cut of troopermans SOTDS and i loved it. We worked together on a couple of scenes where i was mixing the audio and it was such a shame I had to pull out of this project, but i just didn't have the time to work on an extra project of this size.

I still have the nightclub scene in very low res with the audio track we were working on at the time. I don't think that anyone apart from Trooperman and myself have ever seen this. It was still a work in progress and the audio was still rough

Trooperman/ Adywan nightclub scene

Fang Zei said:

Does anyone know where I can find a torrent of the theatrical TPM? I'm not talking about Ady's project, I just really want to get my hands on a copy that's better than the vhs but isn't the dvd cut, preferably one with NTSC speed and not the 4% PAL speedup.

It's kinda funny how AOTC and ROTS are the only ones officially available on dvd and in anamorphic video in their theatrical versions, and even then it's the DLP versions not the 35mm.

ROTS isn't available in its theatrical form. Even the DLP version had the wipe in it that is missing from the DVD

professa said:

adywan said:

There is a high possibility that once all 6 movies are finished i will never watch the Star Wars saga movies ever again.

that sounds like you're including your own edits in that statement!

is that what you meant?????

yes. i haven't watched ANH:R since i finished the DVD.

The Golden Idol said:

Darth Chronus said:

Btw, I was thinking - can Vader's hologram do with a tiny bit of work (the one where he appears before General Veers during the Hoth ground assault)? Maybe it can be sharper; with Vader's helmet looking better, and the hologram can flicker a bit.

 

 I'm pretty sure this is being fixed.

 

I'm really glad that Ady is going the non-CG way. It'll really make this edit that much more professional and will really assimilate it into the look and feel of the original ESB.

Can't wait for the Behind the Scenes clips! Oh, and the May 2010 [tentative] deadline isn't so bad.

Ady, I've got a question for you:

I know you're never returning to ANH:R, but if you were to (re)make this fanedit now, after gaining the experience you've gotten after finishing ANH:R and working on ESB:R, would you do anything differently (in terms of the Revisited changes)?

yeh, thats being fixed

I will never be returning to any of the revisited edits once they are finished. There is a high possibility that once all 6 movies are finished i will never watch the Star Wars saga movies ever again. The only thing i would change in ANH:R is the torture droid needle. it really didn't turn out the way i wanted it to. Apart from that i'm happy with what i was able to do

Well i think its pretty safe to say we are never going to see this or even probably hear from -1 again.  I had kept quiet about what was happening with this project  because it looked like it was a dead thread. But i don't think it is fair for him to keep stringing people along any more

I was involved in this as one point and was in contact with -1 to see how the best way we could get this done. I was going to help out with the colour correction and restoration once the transfer was done. I had access to -1's site and was in regular contact with him with ideas about how to get this done. Then he announced some good news about the transfer and then disappeared. Well he had been in talks with a person who some may know was doing a star wars restoration, had a site all about this restoration, but was never going to share the project with anyone but a select few and even that would only ever have been a screening. I became concerned that if this person was to become involved and would be the one that has the reels for the 4k scanning that they may want to solely use this for their own project for which would never see the light of day. I was assured by -1 that this would not be the case as he had spoken with him about this already. Now personally i have many doubts that this person was ever involved as i was unable to have any contact with him and every bit of information was only coming from -1

Suddenly, and without any warning or contact from -1, my account over at his site was no longer accessible and he ignored any contact i tried to make about this project. If progress about the transfer had been made i was now out of the loop and my services were obviously no longer required. Now his website domain is dead

Now i see it as one of 4 things happened:

1 -  the transfer did go ahead on the understanding that it was to be kept within a select few and never will see the light of day

or

2 - -1 had blown so much smoke up peoples asses about how he was definitely going to get this done and bigged himself up so much when people challenged him about this that when he finally realised that he could not get a decent transfer done because nowhere that did digital scanning would touch it with a barge pole he didn't have the guts to come on here and admit he was wrong

or

3  -  he was stupid enough to take it to a professional movie transfer house, got reported to Lucasfilm and got slapped with a lawsuit and is now sharing a small prison cell with a 7ft hairy biker and is now his bitch

4 - New that this could never possibly have been done and was hoping that everyone here would send him loads of money to pay for the transfer and then just disappear leaving everyone high and dry

I actually think that its #2. I fully understand the reasons behind the person who was doing the star wars project not wanting to release it because of who he was and his professional ties, so i was very surprised when -1 said he was to become involved and that he was fine with it being released for everyone to enjoy. Was he ever really involved? I guess we will never know.

This guy clearly did not know what he was doing. he was also someone who would never admit when he was wrong. This is the guy who said that newsgroups are way too slow compared to torrents. even when he was proved wrong he still claimed that he knew what he was talking about because he'd been programming computers since the 80's (or something like that) and that we were al wrong and didn't know what we were talking about. then he made a torrent of my EP 4 Revisited DVD, but unpacked the ISO using winrar and caused a couple of the video files to become corrupt. He failed to take any responsibility for this and said that he got it direct from the usenet upload i made, therefore saying the corruption was on the original and my fault. Again, when it was clearly pointed out to him that it was his fault because everyone that got it from usenet and didn't unpack the ISO had no problems whatsoever with it, he still never claimed full responsibility and the torrent was just deleted. Luckily i was able to provide a fix for all the people who had spent days downloading the torrent.

I have ran across people like this all throughout my life, but this was one occasion i was preying i would be proved wrong. sadly another time waster getting peoples hopes up and failing to deliver anything