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oh_riginal said:

adywan said:

thats a lot of damaged files. what usenet provider are you using? Ep1 was only posted a couple of weeks ago so it should still be complete even with an ISPs service.

 

 

 usenet.com server, downloading through grabit.

i would switch your provider if its giving you that many incomplete files with something so recent.  i use astraweb. i'm only paying $11 per month for their unlimited service through their special offer. its very rare i get any incompletes

thats a lot of damaged files. what usenet provider are you using? Ep1 was only posted a couple of weeks ago so it should still be complete even with an ISPs service.

Moth3r said:

Great stuff, Ady.

This is a project I was considering tackling myself at some point - now I don't have to. And your colour correction is definitely a bonus.

Is it OK to download the files going up now or is there going to be a repack or proper along later... j/k :-)

lo. no there won't be a repack. There is one small glitch that i just couldn't fix though due to the software i used. When playing the movie through the chapters menu the forced subs don't appear. I tried everything but its still switched the subs off in the rendered DVD. playing the movie direct through the main menu or the options menu they work fine. So if playing the movie from the chapters menu just select the first subtitle track using your remote. hopefully they will fix this bug in an update but i'm not holding my breath.

oh_riginal said:

Funcha said:

Use par buddy with one of the par files and it will restore the missing par file. Still don't quite get the whole par rebuilding concept, but it's worked when I needed it!

 

Trying to work with par buddy... but not having much luck finding the settings used to repair and to add the missing rar.

Par is a whole new thing to me, as I never heard of it before. Any help/advice?

use quickpar instead. Just open one of the par2 files with quickpar and it will scan the set. Once that is complete  just click the "repair" button and it will fix any damaged rars, as long as you have enough par2 files

going up in a.b.starwars now :)

ChainsawAsh said:

adywan said:

It will be freely available through usenet in the usual group from Tuesday 19th July 2009

Sunday (today) is the 19th - Tuesday is the 21st.  I take it the Tuesday is right, but the 19th is not?

I'm far more excited for this project than someone who generally pretends the prequels never happened should be ...

DOH. lol

Just updated the first post with the full specs of the DVD

Ripplin i would say that you are correct when you say you will be getting a lot of people yelling at you when they finish the download and start to watch that. I would say that is unwatchable. Asteroid-man, what did you use to encode the XVID? You can easily fit a 2 hour movie to a 700mb xvid cd keeping good quality so it has nothing to do with the length of the film. Are the black bars encoded in the XVID too? And isn't the video vertically stretched? There are many guides to XVID encoding that would have helped. One thing i don't get though is with the video looking like that it would have to have a super low bitrate so it should have only been about 150mb Max with that quality. Its almost as if it was deliberately encoded that way. There is no detail in the picture whatsoever which, even at super low bitrate you would still get detail and not what looks to be a filter applied to destroy the video itself

I'm also curious as to why you will be taking donations. You say its because you will be sending copies out on DVD with printed covers, well this is dangerous territory. I have never charged anyone, or took donations, in return for a copy of the finished DVD's. Just because someone has offered does not mean that you should accept monetary payment for your edit. I had many offers of donations, but the ones that offered when there was no equipment or materials for my edit, these were turned down or returned to them if they had already sent the donation. I have always felt that receiving any monetary compensation so you can send out copies is too close to actually selling the edit, which goes against everything reputable fan editors stand for. It can also get you noticed by the wrong people.

Aleksbmw said:

So your using the soundblaster after the demodulator to rip the ac3 audio then ? What laserdisc player do you have by the way.

Its just a cheap sony one i got off ebay a while ago. i only got it because it has an RF output and the yamaha demodulator with it just so i could rip the 5.1 audio off the discs

Edit:

It's ok i just nominated myself for the biggest dick head award. The original bit for bit recording is fine. I had recently updated the drivers for the soundcard and there's an extra feature that doesn't seem to be linked with the main audio control panel and this one has extra effects. turns out that the problem lay within one of the new filters for playback. In the main panel all effects are disabled but in the new one there was a few new ones that were enabled by default. So the final DVD will have the bit-for-bit  laserdisc audio after all. I feel such a bloody idiot :(

Moth3r said:

adywan said:

EDIT: just done a short rerecord of the laserdisc 5.1 but this time i recorded it with the soundblaster X-FI crystalizer enabled and this seems to have cured a lot of the problems and also made the whole mix amazingly better. I think i may well go with the laserdisc audio for this project now if all goes well with the whole recording

Woah just a minute, I'm sorry but alarm bells are ringing now.

When you "record" an AC-3 stream off laserdisc surely the stream that you end up with is bit-for-bit identical to the digital data stored on the laserdisc?

The "sound" that comes over the SPDIF is effectively just "noise" (as it's encoded digital data). So how would running it through a proprietary processing system improve it?

Oh and BTW I Googled X-Fi and found this:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=54212

Thats how i originally recorded the audio,bit for bit through the optical front input of my sound card,  which didn't have a great result, but this time i tried a different approach and recorded it using "what you can hear" with the crystalizer enabled and the difference is amazing. it still has the obvious auto volume effect, but to a lesser degree and the clarity is so much better

That link is for the cheaper x-fi xtreme audio card. The one i have is the fatality which has a different chipset. I've never listened to all the hype about this range of cards. i got it just because it had the front input bay with optical input & output , coaxial input & output, midi, full size microphone jack & standard phono inputs and it was on offer at half price when i got it. i have to say though that it is a damn good soundcard now they fixed the drivers bug when it first came out. The crystalizer really does improve the audio on many sources. You want to hear the ROTJ soundtrack through it. no more muddy sound

And thanks ChainsawAsh :)

Its a strange thing indeed. it seems to be side 3 that suffers the most. some scenes are fine while others suffer highly. I may see if i can fix this issue, or at least make it less noticeable or if that doesn't work i may just stick it on the DVd for preservation sake. the laserdisc mix is slightly better than the DVD but the dampening problems just stick out like a sore thumb to my ears.

EDIT: just done a short rerecord of the laserdisc 5.1 but this time i recorded it with the soundblaster X-FI crystalizer enabled and this seems to have cured a lot of the problems and also made the whole mix amazingly better. I think i may well go with the laserdisc audio for this project now if all goes well with the whole recording

yeh, its strange because the OT SE discs are so good. The volume fluctuates so bad. You can here the compression kick in on some of the louder parts and then the volume slowly increases. . Only the 5.1 track suffers with this. the 2.0 track is fine. It's nothing to do with my setup either because i ripped TPM's audio at the same time as i did the SE OT's and they were fine. Attempted a second rip and that's still the same.

Here's a quick 5.1 AC3 sample that shows what i mean

http://rapidshare.com/files/256771696/tpm_laserdisc_5_1_audio_sample.ac3

Moth3r said:

adywan said:

Audio: 5.1 Dolby Surround sound

Untouched from the Japanese laserdisc, yes?

Unfortunately , no. The laserdisc audio isn't as good as the OT laserdisc 5.1 tracks. It has some really bad volume compression/ dampening , similar type to an auto volume level filter, on the FL & FR channels.  I used the laserdisc audio only for the theatrical sections. The main audio i used was the Retail DVD which was much better.

Moth3r said:

BTW you're not really supposed to request things on this forum that are available on retail DVDs, but seeing as you have already bought the R2 disc I'll let you off this time... ;-)

Oops, sorry.

While having a short break from ESB:Revisited I decided to recreate the theatrical version of EP 1 as this is another version of a Star Wars movie that has disappeared into obscurity and is only available on VHS, laserdisc or a slightly better quality TV broadcast version. For this i am using my colour corrected 1080p HDTV as a source and the TB PAL theatrical broadcast DVD. Here is the specs of the DVD so far:

Video: 720 x 480 NTSC DVD-9
Audio: 5.1 Dolby Surround sound taken from the Japanese laserdisc
Subtitles: English (forced), English

Full motion menus

Extras: Isolated music score track
           Teaser trailer
           Theatrical trailer
           Duel Of The Fates Music video - Revamped (with choice to have music only,with added dialogue & new rock version)
           Music of Episode 1: short John Williams featurette

Now the main video and audio sides of things is complete along with the majority of the DVD authoring.

I am revamping the Duel of the fates music video by using better quality movie footage from my colour corrected version and it will be presented in 2:35.1 with the original BTS footage re-framed for this.

I won't be posting any physical copies of this so please don't ask. It will be freely available through usenet in the usual group from Tuesday 21st July 2009

There is a very minor problem with the DVD: if you select the movie through the chapters menu the forced subs fail to show. It was a problem with the authoring software.  If going through the chapter menu just select the first subtitle track using our remote then the forced subs will show. There forced subs work perfectly when playing the movie via the main menu and options menu

My ANH AVCHD has the 5.1 laserdisc audio captured using a yamaha natural sound RF demodulator.It doesn't use any other source. All is did was cut  out the shot of greedo firing. My ESB AVCHD has the full unedited 5.1 laserdisc audio

Astraweb are having a special offer at the moment. Unlimited download for only $11

Well i have had the pleasure of seeing the entire cut of troopermans SOTDS and i loved it. We worked together on a couple of scenes where i was mixing the audio and it was such a shame I had to pull out of this project, but i just didn't have the time to work on an extra project of this size.

I still have the nightclub scene in very low res with the audio track we were working on at the time. I don't think that anyone apart from Trooperman and myself have ever seen this. It was still a work in progress and the audio was still rough

Trooperman/ Adywan nightclub scene

Fang Zei said:

Does anyone know where I can find a torrent of the theatrical TPM? I'm not talking about Ady's project, I just really want to get my hands on a copy that's better than the vhs but isn't the dvd cut, preferably one with NTSC speed and not the 4% PAL speedup.

It's kinda funny how AOTC and ROTS are the only ones officially available on dvd and in anamorphic video in their theatrical versions, and even then it's the DLP versions not the 35mm.

ROTS isn't available in its theatrical form. Even the DLP version had the wipe in it that is missing from the DVD

professa said:

adywan said:

There is a high possibility that once all 6 movies are finished i will never watch the Star Wars saga movies ever again.

that sounds like you're including your own edits in that statement!

is that what you meant?????

yes. i haven't watched ANH:R since i finished the DVD.

The Golden Idol said:

Darth Chronus said:

Btw, I was thinking - can Vader's hologram do with a tiny bit of work (the one where he appears before General Veers during the Hoth ground assault)? Maybe it can be sharper; with Vader's helmet looking better, and the hologram can flicker a bit.

 

 I'm pretty sure this is being fixed.

 

I'm really glad that Ady is going the non-CG way. It'll really make this edit that much more professional and will really assimilate it into the look and feel of the original ESB.

Can't wait for the Behind the Scenes clips! Oh, and the May 2010 [tentative] deadline isn't so bad.

Ady, I've got a question for you:

I know you're never returning to ANH:R, but if you were to (re)make this fanedit now, after gaining the experience you've gotten after finishing ANH:R and working on ESB:R, would you do anything differently (in terms of the Revisited changes)?

yeh, thats being fixed

I will never be returning to any of the revisited edits once they are finished. There is a high possibility that once all 6 movies are finished i will never watch the Star Wars saga movies ever again. The only thing i would change in ANH:R is the torture droid needle. it really didn't turn out the way i wanted it to. Apart from that i'm happy with what i was able to do

Well i think its pretty safe to say we are never going to see this or even probably hear from -1 again.  I had kept quiet about what was happening with this project  because it looked like it was a dead thread. But i don't think it is fair for him to keep stringing people along any more

I was involved in this as one point and was in contact with -1 to see how the best way we could get this done. I was going to help out with the colour correction and restoration once the transfer was done. I had access to -1's site and was in regular contact with him with ideas about how to get this done. Then he announced some good news about the transfer and then disappeared. Well he had been in talks with a person who some may know was doing a star wars restoration, had a site all about this restoration, but was never going to share the project with anyone but a select few and even that would only ever have been a screening. I became concerned that if this person was to become involved and would be the one that has the reels for the 4k scanning that they may want to solely use this for their own project for which would never see the light of day. I was assured by -1 that this would not be the case as he had spoken with him about this already. Now personally i have many doubts that this person was ever involved as i was unable to have any contact with him and every bit of information was only coming from -1

Suddenly, and without any warning or contact from -1, my account over at his site was no longer accessible and he ignored any contact i tried to make about this project. If progress about the transfer had been made i was now out of the loop and my services were obviously no longer required. Now his website domain is dead

Now i see it as one of 4 things happened:

1 -  the transfer did go ahead on the understanding that it was to be kept within a select few and never will see the light of day

or

2 - -1 had blown so much smoke up peoples asses about how he was definitely going to get this done and bigged himself up so much when people challenged him about this that when he finally realised that he could not get a decent transfer done because nowhere that did digital scanning would touch it with a barge pole he didn't have the guts to come on here and admit he was wrong

or

3  -  he was stupid enough to take it to a professional movie transfer house, got reported to Lucasfilm and got slapped with a lawsuit and is now sharing a small prison cell with a 7ft hairy biker and is now his bitch

4 - New that this could never possibly have been done and was hoping that everyone here would send him loads of money to pay for the transfer and then just disappear leaving everyone high and dry

I actually think that its #2. I fully understand the reasons behind the person who was doing the star wars project not wanting to release it because of who he was and his professional ties, so i was very surprised when -1 said he was to become involved and that he was fine with it being released for everyone to enjoy. Was he ever really involved? I guess we will never know.

This guy clearly did not know what he was doing. he was also someone who would never admit when he was wrong. This is the guy who said that newsgroups are way too slow compared to torrents. even when he was proved wrong he still claimed that he knew what he was talking about because he'd been programming computers since the 80's (or something like that) and that we were al wrong and didn't know what we were talking about. then he made a torrent of my EP 4 Revisited DVD, but unpacked the ISO using winrar and caused a couple of the video files to become corrupt. He failed to take any responsibility for this and said that he got it direct from the usenet upload i made, therefore saying the corruption was on the original and my fault. Again, when it was clearly pointed out to him that it was his fault because everyone that got it from usenet and didn't unpack the ISO had no problems whatsoever with it, he still never claimed full responsibility and the torrent was just deleted. Luckily i was able to provide a fix for all the people who had spent days downloading the torrent.

I have ran across people like this all throughout my life, but this was one occasion i was preying i would be proved wrong. sadly another time waster getting peoples hopes up and failing to deliver anything

goonar said:

ok....

Wrote the uncompressed files onto my dvd-dl, and popped it into my ps3........ works like a charm!

Going to watch it tonight!

Good to hear that. I wonder why the fanedit.org version has been unpacked from its original ISO? This can cause all sorts of problems as the structure could be changed during burning. Unless the NTSC fix was applied before posting there, then that would make real sense. When you burned it did it suggest cell 28 as the layer break and no other? If so then the fix has been applied and all is good.

Sevb32 said:

adywan said:

Sevb32 said:

adywan said:

I like the idea of seeing the flaps open on the snowspeeders in the cockpit shots. not sure if i would be able to do it or not but it looks like i need to build something else now. :)

 

 

Another 3 months delaying it!

But i don't care how long this takes me to do. If an idea comes up that i think would benefit the edit then i will try to do it, even if it delays the release by an extra year or so. The last thing i want to do is rush the edit just to get it out there and look back thinking "god i really wish i had done that" and not be happy with the finished product.

doubleofive said:

Ady, don't be tempted by the Snowspeeder flaps! You've got enough on your plate already!

And good luck on the canyon. Are you going by the one already in the movie, or designing your own (as far as one can design a rock)?

But i really do like this idea and i think it will really add to the edit.

The canyon is not going to look the same as the original. The first shot as the falcon flies into the canyon looks really fake as it stands. But it is going to match the rock formations we see in the craters so everything matches up.

 

 

 

 

You could wish "I'd done that." for an eternity though, something will always come up. You always add on stuff later anyway. I think I had better leave this forum for a while (to vbangle's and some others delights), perhaps even a year, it's making me nuts. It will be done when it's done doesn't fly, we've only got so many years to live. That's why I sometimes hate the criticism some filmakers get, they actually have deadlines not indefinite time periods. Call me whatever you want, impatient, bratty, prick, whatever variant insulting synonym you can think of. I'm trying not to be a prick but it's hard to hit a moving target. It's line seeing the finish line up a head with joy, then someone moves it out further again, and again, and again.

 

So much for a Christmas 09 release, or even release for ESB's 30th Ann. next year. If it's going to take forever we should at least get more trailers, those who don't want to be spoiled don't have to watch them, no one is forcing them. I am willing to donate more if we can get some of that stuff. Willing to donate quite a bit more actually. I want to support this project being that ANH:R is the only version of ANH I watch now. It's beyond terrific.

The Xmas 09 target was set well before all the extra fixes and improvements came along. You have to remember though i've only been working on this for a year now. I started the basic colour correction and made the first trailer in Feb 08, yeh, but i hadn't even finished the DVD version of ANH:R back then so didn't start on it properly until about June/ July. ANH:R took me over 2 years to complete. Even with all the extra work this is still going to be ready by May 2010 at the latest. So again a 2 year project.

If i offer another clip for donators i will get accused of bribery to get people to donate again and that was never my intention. You say you are willing to donate quite a bit more but you want a clip in return. Well you do realise that the donations are enabling me to get this all done a lot quicker anyway instead of having to wait for me to save up for months to get a few items. Although there won't be any more proper clips to come before its release i did say that i will be posting behind the scenes video blogs so you will be getting new footage but not having enough funds to get everything needed to get this edit finished is what is slowing me down. Most days i have been working over 16 hours a day. i couldn't possibly have gone any faster than i have been without having a breakdown. But i find it unfair for you to keep dangling a donation in front of me when you know just how desperate i am for funds for this edit.

I have posted many more clips and snapshot previews of ESB:R than i ever did for ANH:R. I really want to keep all of the rest of the edit a secret until its ready to be released.

vaderios said:

Siliconmaster482 said:

Haha. Knowing Ady, he'd be much happier building an entire snowspeeder and running it on cables than doing it in 3d. :)

Sure thing. I just said that to support 3d :)

 

Dont start if its accurate or not. i just find a pic and place it there. also i put both flaps/wings whatever to show how can be.

 

-Angel

you see, that demonstrates just how little of the flap i would need to build. you can't see the insides of the flap compartment so just a basic flap and film it. It really wouldn't take me much more time to add this, maybe a week or 2 at the most.