adywan

Darth Venal said:

Maybe I need to watch it in better (ie German HD) quality and I'll see what you mean. Must get my hands on those somehow  :-)

Hehe, I just had a thought... Bespin is a binary system!

i mentioned twin suns as a solution a while ago.

you don't need a better quality version to see what i mean about the sun appearing behind the pod car and it magically changing positions in the next shot. its even clear with the GOUT. lol

I think its turned into the "great sun debate"

Oh "The great flipper debate"..... i remember it well

Darth Venal, as i have said before please go and watch the whole sequence and you will see what i mean. you keep saying about the only two shots we see the sun are behind the city but thats  not correct. The sun first appears behind the pod car that is at the side of the falcon in the shot directly before the first sight of the city where the sun has magically changed positions. The sun, although its moves slightly, is behind or to the side of the falcon as it approaches.only 2 shots out of the whole sequence indicates that the sun is behind the city, so the easiest fix is to remove the sun from these 2 shots.

Darth Venal said:

That looks very nice indeed. I like the clolour correction, or rather alteration in this case, and the blue laser works great against your new sky.

As for the position of the sun, the Falcon is pretty much heading in the same direction, save the odd artistic flourish to send it through a nearby cloud etc. I still disagree with Adywan's argument that the sun is in the same position except in the two shots where it is behind Cloud City. The backlit clouds are inconsistent, and really, backlighting for me doesn't take precedence over the shots where the sun is actually visible.

As for the SE shots of the Falcon flying through the city, who's to say which side of the city Platform 327 is on? This thing is circular, so there is no proof of which side the sun should be in those shots.

 

well its pretty logical that the falcon wouldn't fly towards the city, then when it reaches the buildings does a 360o turn so that the sun is in the position it shows in the approach shot, then does another 90o turn as it reaches the platform. That makes no sense whatsoever.

1440 x 1080 was adopted by many HD camcorders. The image when played back is stretched to 1920x1080. This way they could still be advertised as 1080 camcorders.

Well i'm definitely on board for this project. I've been talking with -1 for the past couple of days to see how this can realistically be done.

Bringing every hope back down to earth i think we can honestly rule out getting a professional HD transfer done. I really think this was never going to happen because there were too many things involved, including the legality of this.

There may, however, be a ray of sunshine on the horizon....

I have been talking to a photographer friend of mine who has a old but High quality 35mm digital film scanner with the automatic film adapter. Now he said that he it a damaged adapter but he, in theory, could be able to modify for it to automatically feed and scan a reel of film. He has a brand new, much higher quality film scanner but doesn't want to do any modifications to it, which is understandable especially when he's paid over 4 grand for it. It has both a negative and positive setting for use with both 35mm photographic negatives and 35mm positives so no problem with having to do that side of things in post production

Now if he is able to modify the scanner then this can be done. But please don't get your hopes up for a HD quality transfer, because i doubt this can happen. As he explained to me you would need the newer scanner he has to be able to do something that will look any good in HD. So realistically we're looking at a DVD version only. But even with this it is still better than what we have with the GOUT

Now the modifications are going to take a few months at least to do as he has to build a new rig to accommodate the larger reels, so updates will be very scarce. So if things go quiet don't think its been abandoned. If it does get scrapped then i will let you know.

Once he has done the modifications we can test it with a 35mm trailer he has first to see what results can be obtained. If its feasible then -1 will be shipping the reels to me and the project will officially start

Darth Venal said:

Adywan:

Well that shot has been changed. There is no sun behind the clouds in my version because the sun in all the other shots is in the opposite direction. Only the shots you see of the city has the sun facing the approaching falcon.

Although, there is only one other shot with the sun in it and it's behind and to the left, as it is in the matte I put up. The other shots are only cloud shots, and the lighting seems to be inconsistent from shot to shot.

Better check the movie again. :)  The shot you put up and the shot where you first see the city are the only shots where the sun is behind the city. all the others are in the opposite direction (west vs east positioning kinda thing).yes the positioning is slightly inconsistent but not much in the other shots, but you can clearly see where the sun is positioned by the clouds almost all the shots. here are a few examples:

Now you can clearly see in the bottom one that the sun is behind the clouds and to the left. Now the next shot below follows directly from this one (and the bottom one precedes the last shot above).

Wow, the sun has magically moved 180 degrees. Now they fly straight into the city and the sun is once again more behind them and not in front like the last 2 shots

so going by all the shots, bar 2, the sun should be behind/ to the left of the falcon as it approaches the city and definitely not in front

And the matte painting issue has already been fixed. I'm really surprised (well probably not) that they didn't fix this in the SE

Darth Venal said:

Ady, are you planning on any sexy Bespin sunset mattes? I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to see something like this... Not to put pressure on you, but you know we're relying on you :-)

 

Well that shot has been changed. There is no sun behind the clouds in my version because the sun in all the other shots is in the opposite direction. Only the shots you see of the city has the sun facing the approaching falcon.

DVD-BOY said:

adywan said:

All the OT has colour issues unfortunately

 

Was there an overall setting you used to correct the colour Adywan, or did you do it shot by shot?

May I ask what tool you used for your colour correction?

no, i had to do it in stages, but mainly it was done shot by shot. I had to mask many blue areas after the first colour correction pass frame by frame to retain their colour so i could remove the tint to the movie.

For example, i had to remove all the blue tint from the Tantive IV corridors to restore them back to white. But this also removed the blues that should be there. Each blue decal on R2, along with the blue shirts of the rebel troopers had to be masked in after effects and colour adjusted. All this had to be done frame by frame.

And that's just some of the things i had to do. Most of the colour correction was done in after effects

Not an easy task.

All the OT has colour issues unfortunately

I think i need to step in before it gets out of control.

IF, and its a very big if, i do a v2 DVD it will only have 2 changes at the most:- the spinning starfield and maybe the torture droid needle. Nothing else. The V2 would only really be done if i decide to do an audio commentary track. I don't want to do any more work on ANH. There is no point suggesting fixes and changes because, i'm sorry, but they just won't happen. I really need to move forward, not back.

I hope you understand :)

dark_jedi said:

@ Adywan,

I hope you are following this thread,I sent you a PM yesterday but you probably did not see it,I have edited in the English crawl into the German version,the first edit point is very easy,I just started it right before "A long time ago......."where the screen is solid black,but the second edit point is going to be tricky,where did you do your second cut?

The reason I ask is because the stars on the German version are so much bigger and brighter,i really sticks out,I tried right after the crawl disappears,then right when the camera pans down and I do not like either of them spots,to noticeable,so where did you edit it to keep it flowing better?

Thanks

sorry , i haven't had chance to check my PM's yet.

If i remember correctly you have to cut on the shot change after the stardestroyer flies overhead. The German HD has the crawl taken from a difference source which seems upscaled.  So with all the saga you will have to make the cut at the first shot change after the pan down. Its pretty easy to spot when the sources change due to the difference in quality

With ANH the HD source starts at the shot of the Tantive IV flying towards us
With ESB it is the shot of the probes emerging from the underbelly of the stardestroyer
With ROTJ it is the shot of the shuttle and TIEs flying towards the camera
With TPM is is the first shot inside the cockpit

Now with AOTC & ROTS you could splice it in anywhere you want after the crawl disappears because both are taken from the digital source and it looks like the English crawl should match perfectly

budwhite said:

How is the audio from the broadcast? Same mix as the '04 DVDs I presume?

yeh the audio on all the HD broadcasts is exactly the same as the 2004 DVD's

Just an Idea, but because the German broadcast were about 17gb in size, adding any more bitrate to them to fill a BD-25 would be pointless. But why not drop the bitrate slightly so each episode comes to about 14-15GB with audio and you could to 2 BD-50 - one for each trilogy with 3 films on each. You really won't see a difference in quality between a 15gb & a 17GB version and this could be a great way to present them as 2 trilogies

Darth Venal said:

Well, it could just be speeded up a percentage. We're not talking Harold Lloyd here. If you increase the speed of the shot by a small percentage it's perfectly feasible to make it work better. In fact, you could speed up most of the action shots in the duel by up to 10% and most people wouldn't notice it had been tinkered with, and it would move faster, as required.

You would definitely notice if watching a PAL version ;)

Speeding up a human will always look unnatural, no matter how you do it because of the way our brain perceives things. If you sped up the twirl by about 4% it would probably be ok for the NTSC version but will play another 4% faster for the PAL version and that's where things begin to fall apart. Don't forget Alec Guinness was 62 when filming Star Wars.

TPM is the worse HD transfer of the lot. I'm pretty sure its the same transfer that was used for the DVD. Not a lot i could do about the softness of the picture without causing more problems with the already present edge enhancement. Might explain why they applied edge enhancement to the picture causing the halo effect.

ChainsawAsh said:

And I'm pretty sure I've seen that first/last image in someone else's mock-up YouTube video recently, zooming in/out in that exact same way - if that's true, you've given that person no credit, and that's not cool.

Jambe Davdar's  "Returning to Jedi" documentary

fishmanlee said:

G E Predator said:

TheBoost said:

On the other hand, I don't care for the Emperor theme in the briefing room. The Emperor isn't there. "Battle of the Heroes' plays when Obi and Darth do battle again. "Imperial March" plays when the Empire is shown to kick ass. Emperor's theme plays when... some dudes have a staff meeting. It just doesn't feel right to me.

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I believe Adywan included the Emperor's theme (more specifically, "Palpatine's Teachings" from the ROTS soundtrack) in that scene because the Emperor and was mentioned.

 

 

 actually its the emperors theme from either Jedi/TPM or maybe AOTC, because the ROTS empy theme has no choir, while the other 2 (or 3) have the choir, also its not "palpatines teachings" its "sidious revealed" from the TFU mixed with the official Soundtrack and other sources

I must be really clever to use music from a game that came out 5 months after i had finished the edit.:)

well everyone i know, along with many members here and on other star wars sites,  could easily spot it was 2 different robots as R2 would've had to have gone to lightspeed to shoot from one side of the screen to the other so quickly. It was something that stuck out like a sore thumb to many people. It was one of the more well know continuity errors in the film.

The Golden Idol said:

So, Ady, what are you working on now? Models, or computer work?

Darth Solo said:And howz the back fairing up?

Well i'm spending most of the daytime at physio so i'm concentrating more on the video work ATM. I've got one more week of daily physio then just once a week with some home exercises so i can start back on the models again. The back isn't as bad but its still is still causing a lot of pain and problems. i think its more that the painkillers are starting to work a little bit now more than the problem itself is easing

I've just completed the garbage scene and i'm working on the shot that 005 posted as they approach cloud city. I want to not to look like a reused shot , plus the ring of lights around the top section of Cloud city in that shot aren't in every other shot we see of it.

doubleofive said:

oh_riginal said:

Is it just me, or does Luke's saber in the 2nd frame look too short, too skinny, and too bent?

No need to get bent out of shape, Luke!

Looks to me like every frame Ady posted has something wrong with it's lightsaber rotoscoping (no new ESBR screens indeed!).  Something we'll only see if we go through it frame by frame, but you know some of us will.

They're taken from my colour corrected AVCHD so still no new ESB:R shots :)

So far I've only finished the first lightsaber duel scene as far as rotoscoping the sabers goes.

Oh and to answer a previous question you asked 005 ( i think it was in the EPIV thread but couldn't find it today) the trade federation droids will talk in my PT:R trilogy and they won't be shut down in ROTS

The Golden Idol said:

Ady, in the Luke/Vader ESB duel, after Luke sticks the smoking tube in Vader's face, he gets his lightsaber back and swings it at Vader, who blocks it. However, Luke and Vader's sabers should be rearranged, as Luke's blade should be on the RIGHT, and Vader's on the LEFT. As it is now, it looks like Luke is blocking Vader, instead of vice-versa. Can this be fixed?

There's actually no problem with that shot. Look at it in slow motion and you see that  Luke swings his saber then the first few frames he is still swinging it and Vader blocks it. Vaders is on the left and Lukes on the right.

Darth Venal said:

The green mockup definitely looks less like R2D2, but you're wrong about it not being R2 in the original shot. It is. And I'm sorry, but no matter how many times anyone tries to tweak that shot, the fact that it's Ben, Luke, C-3PO and R2-D2 is inescapable. It is clearly framed that way, unless you're trying to say that Gilbert Taylor framed three of them and some other random droid that just happens to look exactly like R2-D2?

And the alternate shot is not in the movie. There are simply two R2-D2s on set to shoot the turn.

 

I never said that it wasn't supposed to be R2. All i said was that the droid used wasn't the same droid used for R2 in the rest of the movie because it has grey panels and that changing the colour worked because of this. It was done because R2 went off screen to the left as the camera pans then is suddenly in front of them which would have been impossible and it was so obvious that it was 2 separate robots used.

1anakin said:

Adywan are you a Superman fan, because Superman II the Donner Cut needs alot of work.

No, i'm not a Superman fan.

Darth Venal said:

The problem is that the red R2 unit is just riding next to C3PO and looks exactly like R2, just red. There isn't much else Adywan could have done; the only viable way of adjusting that scene would be to remove R2 altogether and then replace him at the front.

Bingowings is right, of course. We're all terribly pasty looking over here. The lack of UV makes us all pale and moody. By 2050 we'll be a nation of albinos.

R2 is in front of the group in that scene, with the red droid at the side. It was impossible to remove the droid because of all the background elements.

Heres a shot of that scene from a different angle. 2 droids and if you look at the first R2 it has grey panels so it already looked different to R2 before i recoloured him

1anakin said:

I just know I"m going to get yelled at for this. What I meant with the hand is that it looks like a still image of a hand pasted into the moving shot. the hand looks like a flat potgraph, which it is.

Actually the whole shot is a photoshopped still apart from the hand which was video footage (because originally the hand had a slight twitch but i decided to use a different take when the hand is still) and the camera movement & smoke was added in after effects

The actor that played Dr Evazen was English and not tanned so the hand shouldn't be a tanned hand either.

Chewtobacca said:

I figured out how to do the conversion to 23.976 fps!  It played back perfectly on my Pioneer BDP 51FD, so Adywan's second solution does work on Pioneer players.  If Adywan gives his permission, I might consider uploading it to rapidshare if people are interested.

I have no problems with you doing this. Go for it :)

I used Imgburn to create the iso. Just make sure it's set to UDF 2.50 when you are making the ISO