adywan

vaderios said:

Either way the matte xwing angle should change right?

 

-Angel

Oh, i didn't understand what you meant at first. Yeh the x-wing in the matte has the wrong wing out of the water, so that needs fixing

On another note, anyone that is awaiting a reply from me to a PM or email , i will get back to you as soon as i can but i'm really busy lately so i haven't had much time to go through them all. I will get back to you but its just going to take a little time

Ganamae said:

Moi moi !  Lookie lookie :D

Here you see Dagobah from Empire and the next ones are Dagobah from Rots.

See? open dots with Greens ^_^ that means welcome sun light...right?

 

Actually that shot of Dagobah from ESB is as Luke is leaving. Just look how cloud covered Dagobah is when he arrives

So its highly doubtful there would be a ray of sunlight bursting through the trees when he crash lands

vaderios said:

rpvee said:

One thing that annoys me a bit about when Vader enters Echo Base.   His helmet seems wierd... like extra short or something.  It's hard to explain.

Actually you have absolutely right. The helmet of vader, changes all the time. The one you pointed as short is the one that when he turns his head to the right direction, right?. Well that helmet supposed to be the first helmet to be in production and its from ANH as well. the mask and the helmet is glued together so there is no way to be separated. but after that they rethink the length of the helmet:)

read here

Nice mockup there Bingo :)

 

-Angel

It's not just the helmet thats different in on Hoth. Has anyone seen Vaders knee length inner robe? Looks like a skirt. lol

vaderios said:

EDIT: Some shots seems the X wing is flipped. If ady has a better solution rather flip the shot then be my guest :) Also correct me if im wrong. Is just a theory.

No, the xwing in those shots is fine as it is. if you look just after R2 is swallowed you can see Luke running to the other side of the pool, so all the shots are correct

doubleofive said:

In finding a screenshot to show that Angel's ray of light wouldn't be possible, I also was reminded of another one of my gripes.

 

While the cockpit keeps rocking back and forth at the same rate, the outside seems to cut suddenly from the top frame to the bottom, where it continues until it hits the water.

Fixing it could be as easy as fading from the top to the bottom frame really fast, or reconfiguring the scene as follows:

Luke starts the landing sequence, shot of R2, moved beginning of cockpit, Luke concerned, continuing cockpit shot to crash.

I'm sure Ady has already fixed it though. ;-)

I've already fixed this. It looks like they spliced 2 different videos of the outside together which caused a jump cut. I've fixed the jump cut :)

Jay said:

Topic cleaned. As always, user bans will follow for those who can't play nice from here on out.

And yes, the forum is still moderated. Some of us have jobs. Use the ignore feature, skip over ugly posts, have a beer, or do whatever else you have to do to get yourself through the day.

Thanks for clearing up the thread, Jay. It did get a bit out of hand there for a while.

Bingowings said:

Vader marching around Hoth is much more dramatic than his scenes on the Blockade Runner in ANH.

The one thing I've never liked (even when I was ten)and I've mentioned it before is when Vader's cape gets caught behind his arm armour. 

It's a little thing but Vader is always in my mind this menacing black triangle, a stomping dark pyramid of power and for a few seconds he loses that sinister symmetry.

It's like the red room on the Death Star in ANH one of those niggly moments that spoil the mood for me.

I'm possibly the only person effected by this most strange of obsessions and I'm not sure if it could be fixed if anybody else would want it to be fixed (or indeed acknowledge that altering it would be a fix).

I'm going over into the kitchen for a bit and make sure no forks have gotten into the knife drawer again....

 

His entrance scene into the rebel control room is very reminiscent of his entrance in ANH. He appears through smoke. But, yes, i think you are the only one that's obsessed with his cape in that scene. :)

vaderios said:

Ady I got one more error if you dont know it already.

Anyways

 I dont mind that yoda actually sits in the rock in the next shot(less is more) but at least add the blue bag in the previous shot ;)

 

-Angel

This shot has already been fixed :)

vaderios said:

Ady, I had to ask about the cameos things. Its about to be 2d images from members or somehow footage in the movie?

Well it would have to be moving footage to blend in. It would most likely be in the "Lando announcement" scene where we see outside the city so the new appearances wouldn't be jarring. But that's if it is even possible to do it. t may well be just the BTS footage that donators will get if things don't work out.

Monroville said:

In regards to the "spinning star field" thing, I wish Davnes or someone would post a comparison with the static Falcon shooting off from Tatooine in ANH:R with the original spinning star field as well as a third option showing the stars streaking outside around the Falcon the way they appear inside the Falcon cockpit.

That way we can visually see the three one after the other and see for ourselves which has the best visual impact.

I can understand getting rid of the spinning star field, as it is inconsistent with other hyperspace shots (be it inside or outside other ships), so maybe instead of reintegrating the spinning star field the stars can streak out to match what we see inside the Falcon's cockpit shot.  In fact, to maintain consistency, maybe the "star streaking" can be added in other shots as well, such as when the Rebel fleet jump into hyperspace in JEDI - speaking of which, is the blue hyperspace field going to make a reappearance in JEDI:R (when the fleet jumps out of hyperspace)?

I understand that this can also go in the EMPIRE AND JEDI WISHLIST thread as well.

I haven't decided yet if the spinning starfield will make an appearance or not. I'm more towards removing it for continuity. The streaking starfield seen from outside wouldn't really work because you see it from inside the cockpit first so the streaking stars would almost be static by the time we see it from outside.

corellian77 said:

Angel, that is a very nice mock-up.  I wasn't sure if I liked it at first, but the more I see it the more I like it; it might be something worth considering for Ady to incorporate.  However, the "inconsistency" of Yoda moving from the ground to the rock is a bit more of a bother to be honest... although I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" that.  I guess one could simply assume he moved between scenes.

that has been fixed also :)

vaderios said:

Maybe one more, more interesting sunset?

i was toying with the idea that the sun goes under the clouds. So there is no night as we know it.

 

-Angel

Loving that bespin shot Angel. :)

vaderios said:

ImperialFighter said:

I prefer the 'gloomy', densely-packed treeline/root system that seems to make up Dagobah, as shown in the background of the 'wider, more open' views such as this one and when Luke has just crashed. 

how about this?

More ESB like ;)

 

-Angel

Nice idea, but it seems a little too light to match the other shots in that scene

vaderios said:

-Angel

Again very nice but would there even be a ray of light when the planet was almost completely covered with cloud and fog when he arrived?

The main problem with the original matte shot is that it doesn't match either the previous or following shots. As Luke is crashing through the trees its obvious just how foggy this place is and after this shot we see it is very foggy. So what really needs doing to that shot is add the dense fog

Sevb32 said:

I still don't get what you are saying, it's more of an "anything the prequels did is bad, anything the OT did was good" mentality, there was nothing wrong with Yoda's speech, it suits his character. Who are any of us to say how he should speak anyway?

Yodas speech patterns in the PT were terrible and "in your face" and nothing like the subtle ways it was done in the OT. Only a very small percentage of Yodas speech had the backwards style but in the PT Yoda almost became a very badly done caricature of himself. It became cringe worthy, as did the Emperors insane cackling. These 2 OT characters that appeared in the PT seemed like you were watching a spoof OTT version and not a real Star Wars movie.

Anyway, talk of the PT really doesn't belong in here

Looks great now. thanks Jay

I haven't use IE for years now.  I agree with what you said jay, it is a piece of garbage. If there are any sites that have problems with Firefox i just use the IE plug-in to switch render engines, so i never have to use that microsoft rubbish again. lol

I actually think the transparency for banned users posts is a great idea, so i'm all for it :)

Just noticed that banned users posts are now either blank or so faint in Firefox that they are unreadable using the OT School colour scheme. Standard blue is fine though. I decided to check to see if this was deliberate but the posts were fine in IE Explorer 6 (apart from missing avatars and users names that are missing in IE6, but i don't use IE so i don't know if this is just a problem with my PC)

Here's a snapshot to show you what i mean:

vaderios said:

UHU! rocks!!!

Nice reflection you got there ady ;)

 

-Angel

OOps. Didn't crop that too well. Not only was the reflection of my eldest daughter there but you could see the wampa slightly too. Thanks for pointing that out Angel

ok, well no real updates but things are going really well on the CG front. I'm taking a break from the edit and building stuff because we've got a halloween party next week so i need to get everything ready for that. Here's a couple of pics of the models i have made for it. All this cost less than £20 altogether to make. It's all made from cardboard, toilet paper and PVA glue, with some gel blood.

If only you could see to the right of the picture. I had to quickly crop it because you could see the Wampa.

My god this thread has become so bitchy.

I have only one thing to say....

TV's Frink said:

doubleofive said:

It's interesting that if we complain long enough about something, you post a new picture to refute it.  BTW, I hate what you're doing with the Wampa.  It's going to look stupid.  I don't trust your creative decisions.

LOL.  I think everything on ESB:R is wrong ;-)

ha ha. nice try you two. But i haven't shown anything new because the exact same shot with the colouring has already been seen on my AVCHD version of ESB

Ghost said:

Now do you guys like the Dagobah "color correction."  IMO, it was to extreme.  It looks dead and gray.  TOO, dead and gray.

You know, this is one thing that really pisses me off, and it all thanks to the crappy 2004 DVD colouring. I've had the same thing in the comments on the youtube videos and thorough emails and it makes me wonder if these people had even seen star wars before 2004. The bullshit that the blue colouring creates a great atmosphere and was a deliberate creative decision is probably one of the most stupid comments i have ever heard. So Yoda is supposed to be blue then change to a neon cyan colour? Now what is the true colour of ESB? The GOUT has a red tint to it due to the print used for the transfer but the colours still look the best. The 1997 SE seems to be getting the blue tint and Yodas colouring starts to change. The 2004 DVD, well you only have to look at it to know just how wrong that is. So i decided to get closer to the GOUT without the red tint and also use on set photos to get an idea of colouring. Yoda is now finally back to being green :)

And yes, this should have gone in the ESB:R thread

Bingowings said:

I don't think Adywan will not be adding Coruscant to ESB:R.

 

Am i? Or aren't i. God i'm so confused now . lol

Monroville said:

Funny thing happened to me the other day...

I tried to burn a copy for a friend using Nero, yet despite the fact that the dual layer DVD I was using as the source was working (as I had just watched it with him and a few others the day before), I made 2 dual layer coasters when Nero started to burn the second layer.  I have no idea why this would happen.

I gave my friend my copy (as he was leaving the next morning from Louisville to Oklahoma) and went online to get another one for myself.  I went to fanedit and got the ISO, but now it is bombing out on me when unzipping the file at around the 85% to 90% mark.

Here is the message:
"CRC failed in 'star.wars.revisited.DVD9.NTSC\STAR_WARS_REVISITED_NTSC_DVD_9.ISO'.  File is broken"

This means that the file fanedit has is broken and needs to be replaced.  Can anyone PM me a proper link to a properly working ISO rar file?

EDIT: I'm working on some other things with it; let me see if I can get it working... will update later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Try burning your copy with IMGburn instead. Nero isn't the most reliable burner. Or it could be that your DVD writer is on its way out or bad media

As for the download then it sounds like you have a bad rar file. find out which one is corrupt and try re-downloading it

It wouldn't be any good using my ANH crawl as i changed the timeframe that the crawl appears to match the original pre-episode 4 music cue

Ghost said:

Does anyone think that Vader's entrance in the Hoth battle is weak?  He comes out of nowhere.

Comes out of nowhere? Veers tells him that he can start his landing, then we hear announcements that the Imperials have entered the base, then we see them burst into the command centre. So how can he have come from nowhere? It's also certainly not a weak entrance.

Ghost said:

Why isn't there going to be a ground battle on Hoth?  I know that it would take alot of time to do, but it would make sense if there was one added.  Mabey if Lucas does an edit, this will be added.

Why does there need to be a ground battle? It would just be adding something for the sake of it really. The Empire have these huge metal beasts who's main objective is to destroy the shield generator. They have no need to risk wasting ground troops when the walkers can easily do this job. Only when the shield is down do the ground troops need to go in. We don't need to see it though.

Ghost said:

I think some PT music should be added.  Nothing noticible, but just background music.  The PT's music is much more epic than hearing the same old Imperial March every scene.  Mix in a sad version of force theme from the PT when the Empire is close to winning.

At least add some epic music to the Vader/Luke scene.

Anakins Betrayal would work somewhere to.

No! No! No! The PT music is more epic? You have got to be kidding me. ESB has one of the best soundtracks of all time. The PT scores just don't come anywhere close to the masterpieces John Williams did for ANH & ESB (not overkeen on ROTJ's score though but still leagues ahead of what we got for the PT). I stated many times that there will be no added music and definitely no music from the PT in ESB:R. The score works perfectly as it is and doesn't need hacking up just to add snippets from the PT scores with themes that have nothing to do with what is happening on screen

And like i have said many times the PT need to be made to fit in with the OT and not the other way around. The only reason i added "battle of the heroes" into ANH was that this was the rematch between Obi-Wan & Vader so that helped tie in the two trilogies.

Sky_ said:

for those in the UK

ITV are gonna show all 6 STAR WARS movies from 24th Oct 2009 4:10pm in HD on ITV-HD channel for those who have HD boxes

:-)

yeh, i saw the advert today. It will be interesting which versions they will be playing because usually ITV use the 1997 SE versions for ANH & ESB.

sky_ did you manage to find the original HD version of the opening logo you did for me?

The-Lion, it sounds like it may be a bad rip. Try starting from scratch and ripping the DVD again. It could also be a bad burn if you are ripping from a burned DL-DVD. Let me know how you get on

Well i would say that the worse aspect of the 2004 mix for ANH is the reversed music in the rear channels and the reversed sound effects in the front channels. The 2004 mix is a mess. For example check out the detention cell corridor shoot-out scene. you see lasers flying in from the right side of the screen yet the laser blast sound comes from the left. It's screwy in many places. i don't know what the hell Ben Burt was on when he did this mix but the SE laserdisc mix doesn't suffer with any of this.  Also the quality of the dialogue changes so many times throughout a scene that it becomes distracting (aldreaan destruction scene for one). again something that isn't apparent in the laserdisc mix. But on the other side of things the laserdisc 5.1 lacks a lot of the stereo seperation that the 2004 mix has and sounds a little more like an upmixed mono rear surround than separate rear channels in places.

Oh yeh and Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call in the 2004 mix... eeeww. :)

VincentSmalls said:

Okay... here's a better revised version of the cover... I have not justified the text (which all comes from the 2004 DVD release) as surprisingly it's a pain in the ass to do! But I'll have a stab when I can be bothered to trudge through it all. Removed DTS logo and made suggested text ammendments. Not finished yet though (yes the logo on the front still needs a bit of work)...

 

And here's the A New Hope one. NOW... before anyone heaps too much criticism on this one... I'm not totally convinced on it one myself. The colour scheme doesn't quite gel (although it leads from the fronts colours)... thinking I might manipulate the poster a bit to keep it in line with the ESB one above. Ho hum... will sleep on it and see what I make of it tommorrow... (for some reason the upload to picassa messed up the image a bit!)...

 

That's me done. Enjoy!

VincentSmalls, welcome to the boards. I absolutely love those covers and their retro look. One suggestion i would make is for the ROTJ cover. If you can find a retro art pic of vader then i would add him above the battle pic to sort of mimic the ANH cover. You have Vader very prominent in the first two but his appearance is lacking in the third, so i think this would really tie al three together.

Monroville said:

On another note, when EMPIRE:R is finished, will it be possible to use the 720p version for the complete DL DVD release via an ISO file and ImgBurn, so that rather than the typical MKV or TS file (which would be movie only) menus and extras could be included in one complete package?

I know over at tehp@r@dox they have 720p files that only come out to 4.3gb in size and still look fantastic.  Again, they are movie only, but if one were to put it on a dual layer DVD, that would leave roughly 2 to 4 gigabytes for other things.

Just wondering...

When ESB:R is released, the 720p version will be released as a DL-AVCHD that will play on PS3's and Blu-Ray players with a menu and maybe even some extra features

Bingowings said:

I noticed that this Treadwell might as well be called Deadwell, It's just sitting in the middle of the hanger not moving or working on anything, doesn't it know there is a war on?:

ha ha, yeh that droid is totally dead. Maybe they are really the Rebel Eco Alliance and have switched him off to conserve energy  and save Hoth from global warming. ;)

Looking through the movie, there are many droids in the hangar that are just motionless, so i may just leave this one alone

vaderios said:

A space slug mouth interior with pointy like stalagmites teeth to replace the old one.

No, I'm not doing that one.

Monroville said:

Here is a suggestion for an extra on the DL DVD or whatnot:

would it be possible to include a remastered version of the Boba Fett cartoon from the Holiday Special (as in JUST the cartoon)?

Here is a link:

An interesting idea for a special feature. Might do something with that cartoon, if there's enough space left on the disc that is. :)

TheBoost said:

ChainsawAsh said:

The garbage mattes should not be fixed - they were there in 1977, so "fixing" them is just another alteration.  A film is a snapshot of the time in which it was made, and effects flaws are a part of that.  I really wish the Raiders of the Lost Ark DVD had kept the cobra reflection, too.

 So I guess the crux of a lot of this discussion is WERE the 'garbage mattes' part of the original Star Wars in '77?

I wouldn't know, growing up with a VHS dubbed copy of Star Wars recorded off TV. Not only did I not see garbage mattes, I didn't know 3PO had a silver leg until the SEs came out on the big screen.

If the mattes were a visible part of the original film, I think they should stay.

If they are a result of careless DVD transfer, then I think there's nothing wrong with doing something about them.

Yes the garbage mattes were visible in cinemas in 1977. I was only 10 at the time but me and my mates at school use to think they were the ships shields. They were even more noticeable in the VHS transfers but they were definitely there in the cinemas. Same goes for the Emperors slugs too in 1983. I was disappointed when the SE came out and i sat in the cinemas only to see they hadn't bothered removing the slugs and that the garbage mates were more noticeable in ROTJ than the other two films. They looked even worse than in my VHS copy of OUT:ROTJ for some reason

Rhikter said:

Hey all.

I just finished downloading this edit through the .dlc file here using JDownloader. However, I cannot get the .rar file to extract because it prompts be for a password that I do not know.  I tried "fanedit.org" and "fanedit.com" which did not work. I've been searching the nets for a solution for about forty minutes now and haven't come up with anything.  Nothing on the fanedit.com page for the edit, nothing here, etc.

Is there anyone who can give me a hand with this?

Thanks.

Did you try fanedited.com?

brash_stryker said:

Finally managed to obtain a HD version via torrent. I'm not sure if It's the highest quality there is, but it's 7.94GB.

That sounds like the hv encodes taken from the British SKYHD broadcasts. I wouldn't bother downloading them. The quality is terrible and it has several video glitches in AOTC

Darth Editous said:

Adywan,

I saw something on a project website some time ago which was basically a cheap way of achieving a tracking shot. Instead of a big set of tracks, you make a mini track and mini dolly, then mount it between two tripods. Don't know if that'll help with whatever you're planning. And never forget you can always move the set instead of the camera...

Also bear in mind that green screen isn't going to be easy to achieve without high-end camera equipment. As I found out to my cost, you really want to be capturing in 4:4:4 (i.e., pro equipment) for a good matte. DV was good enough for my purposes, and you might be alright if you're shooting in HD, because the subsampling will be compensated for by the increased number of pixels.

DE

Ripplin said:

Yes! To Darth Editous you listen! ;)

Of course, after all he is one of the guys that inspired me to start all this in the first place :)

Yes, i've been looking at getting the mini tracks and dolly as i just don't have the room for the full size ones, plus i don't really need the larger ones anyway. As for the green screen, i borrowed someone's mini green screen that they use for their photography to do a few tests with the 1080p HD canon camera and used FXHome Visionlab to do the chroma-keying and the results were great. I tried it with some ordinary green material i got from the local store and the results weren't so great.  i'll need a much larger screen to achieve the ship flybys for ESB:R though and for ROTJ with the new ships and the 6ft stardestroyer

Darth Venal said:

Actually, Ripplin, people have offered. Adywan seems to want to do this on his own for the most part, which is of course his prerogative. I know my friend Gabe offered some of his gear earlier this year, but Ady wasn't interested.

What gear? The only time i recall Mr Ghostface (gabe) contacting me was the email you asked him to send to talk about your matte work.

vaderios said:

Ady thanks for the new pic you gave us under our nose :D:D:D

You fix the basterd!

-Angel

ha ha, good spot there. couldn't resist putting in something new to see if anyone would notice it.:)

Ithilgore said:

How the hell do you work so fast, Adywan? You seem to most of the non-model stuff done already, looking at that screenshot.

It's called a lot of sleepless nights and having it seem like i'm surgically attached to my PC. lol

Ganamae said:

Oh and by the way, where can one buy these master replicas like the Falcon Ady bought?! Anyone?

thanks !

I got mine from ebay as most of the shops that had it listed were sold out. I guess getting one now is going to be very difficult as they are now out of production.

ImperialFighter said:

While that 'cameo' idea sounds fun, it's a little scary that we might end up seeing 'replacement' faces that may be more at home in the Cantina Bar for all we know!

Although the project itself should be incentive enough for anyone, that early 'behind the scenes footage' suggestion sounds a winner to me, although I like the idea of an 'unreleased' clip being a possible option sometime too.

Yeh, the cameo may be a bit too ambitious but i will only be adding the cameos in places where it won't jump out at anyone watching that is a new face or character.  If i can't do it convincingly enough then at least there will be the BTS clip which will feature a new finished clip at the end.

corellian77 said:

Ady, thanks for the update and sneak peek at the Vader shot (and thanks too to Angel for pointing it out).

A couple questions for you though:

First, could you refresh my memory... why are you doing a new Echo Base and Falcon model?  I forget what problems these were supposed to help you fix (i.e., specific shots?  Continuity issues?)

Secondly, what are the donations helping you with exactly?  I'm assuming they're going towards materials for the various physical elements you're currently constructing?

Lastly, the idea of pasting our faces into ESB:R is interesting, but I wonder if I'd even like to see my own face in it (on the one hand it would be kinda cool, but on the other it might take me out of the movie... and yet I'd be IN the movie... how ironic).  At any rate, regardless of the whole cameo thing, I wasn't aware that funds were still so desperately needed, and I'd like to contribute again.  Before I do, though, is there any "minimum" donation that makes it worthwhile?  I ask only because once the funds get changed from Canadian to British currency, I'm not sure how "usable" a donation becomes.

And please, don't ever let a lack of funds, some people's desire for a definitive release date, or simply exhaustion discourage you from finishing this edit.  I'd rather ESB:R take 20 years to complete than to have you abandon it altogether :)

Now go get some sleep man! :)

All the donations go towards materials. and . as Tesco's say here in the UK, every little helps. Things i still need to get are the camera dolly and track along with a boom & tripod. Now these aren't cheap. I don't need any of the large types just something that is big enough to do what i need but not too big that space becomes an issue. Looking around on ebay there are ones that are just silly prices and beyond what i would really need. I was going to make my own rig but i doubt now that i will be able to make one good enough for what i need. But i'm still looking at at at least £350 for the crane,dolly & track.  Plus i need to get a couple of studio green screens. Why 2? well the studio ones are only a certain width so i would have to stitch 2 together to get a screen wide enough to use.  I've just got myself a wide angle lens for the camcorder which is invaluable to be able to film shots like the asteroid canyon. the rest is all to do with building materials. Styrene, and lots of it, but this isn't cheap for the amount i'll be using. Also car body filer, and again lots of it, as this is the best filler due to its fine nature and easiness to sand for use with the modelling, then things like some extra lighting parts for the models etc.  It's going to be about £100 for the amount of body filer alone. My daughters boyfriend works for a body repair centre and may be able to get me a bulk lot at trade prices if his boss will let him, but i don't want to rely on the that just in case.  The good thing though is that most of the larger items like the dolly and rig will be reused when i get to ROTJ:R

Yes, i know its spiralled out of control a bit but all this extra work will be worth it. t is also very good practice for when i tackle ROTJ:R because there is so much more work to be done on that like replacing the Jabba's palace mattes with a real model, the rebel headquarters hangar amongst many others :)

Sevb32 said:

I was mentioning dates, never once in my last two posts did I complain.

Did i say complaining?

adywan said:

 

All you seem to do lately is whine about how long it is taking and i'm tired of it. Do you know how much of the film is actually finished? No.So how can you possibly know it won't be ready for he May release date? I want this movie done right, not have to rush it just to get it out early to keep you happy..

I was talking about your constant whining and sarcastic digs at how long it is going to take to complete. And don't try to tell me you weren't being sarcastic about that because the proof is here:

Sevb32 said:

Can't wait until this is released in 2011-2012

No one asked about release dates yet you just had to post that.  That is the type of thing i am sick of. I'm working my ass off on this edit and rarely have more than 4 hours sleep, sometimes doing about a 48 hours stint to complete a shot. Doing the model and miniature set work on this is the practice i need for when i get to ROTJ:R.  The amount of miniature replacement work for that one is a hell of a lot more than i need to do for this one.  I'm just one guy, not a studio

Anyway, lets just drop it now. :)