adywan

Ganamae said:

Might I ask if you have been able to get the fur?

yes, i got the fur. It's great. It's a bit curtly but i've used the wifes hair straighteners and its perfect. i'll post some pics as soon as i can :)

ImperialFighter said:

It's frustrating for you in the meantime, but I've got a good mate who's a decent salesperson for our local 'Currys', and I'll check out what he reckons about this shop and 'Gateways' claims about all this.

well i rang gateway myself just to make sure if it wasn't the shop trying to fob me off and they told me the same thing. because i didn't fill in the warranty card and send it to them ( which i didn't have) then they cannot repair the monitor under the guarantee as its 18 months old and i would have to pay for repair.  trading standards also told me that gateway are quite within their rights not to repair the monitor if i hadn't send them a fully filled out guarantee card :(

Just as i think things are getting better i've had a pretty crappy couple of days.  For about a week or so my monitor would suddenly go into standby mode while i was working on it and i couldn't turn it back on unless i turned it off at the socket and waited about 20 minutes and then it would come on again fine. Got to admit that i wasn't too bothered as the monitor came with a 3 year guarantee so if it went tits up i can take it back. Well its 18 months old now and that seems to be the lifespan of a lot of things nowadays. Well yesterday, while i was working on the edit there was a nice pop and a trickle of smoke coming out of the monitor. R.I.P. Gateway monitor.  Well, like i said i wasn't too bothered. Well the store where i purchased it from is about a minutes walk away from me. So off i went, with the monitor and all its original packaging and the receipt to the store to get this thing either repaired or swapped. What a waste of time. Firstly they told me that it was only guaranteed for a year, even though when they sold it me it was advertised as three. I showed them the receipt and it stated 1 year warranty + extra cover 3. The they said that it was only 3 months extra warranty and not a 3 year guarantee, which was total bollox as i wouldn't have paid the price i did for a monitor that only had 1 year cover plus 3 extra measly months. I don't know anywhere that would ever offer just 3 extra months. I argued my case a lot then one of the staff came over and said that it was gateway that were offering the 3 year guarantee and not them. At last a result and someone that knows what they are talking about. They offered to ring up gateway to arrange a collection or swap for a different model so everything was sorted....

or so i thought....

The guy came back and asked for my full details and the receipt, then went back to talk to the people at gateway. A few minutes later he returned and said that they had no record of an warranty in my name. He asked me if i had filled in the warranty card and returned it to Gateway but i never had a warranty card with the monitor as i was told when purchasing that the receipt was my guarantee. They then said that the warranty card would have been given to me or that it would have been in the monitor box. Well i still had all the manuals & paperwork still in the box and there was no warranty. He said that there was nothing they could do but he would give gateway a ring again to see if there was anything he could do. But he came back and they refused to do anything.

So there you go. Don't buy anything made by gateway as they will just rip you off if anything goes wrong. Their attitude is just "computer says NO" (little Britain fans will get that one. lol) Admittedly the one guy at the shop did try his best and did try to figure out a way to get them to honour the warranty so i'm not pissed at the shop.

But with everything that gone on recently i almost feel like giving up ( but i know i won't). I've borrowed my daughters portable DVD player that has a video input and using the TV output on my pc  i have a very vice 600 x 400 desktop which i can't do bugger all on. MY god, how the hell did we do anything on computers when all monitors were that resolution?

The couple of donations i received the other day i already spent on getting some styrene and a few lights towards build the 1 metre stardestroyer. Yes i will be building that for this edit instead of waiting for ROTJ:R because, after trying to replace many of the stardestroyers that needed to go, i decided that it wasn't worth building a small one when i would have to build a large scale one for ROTJ:R that i could use for every shot needed.

So now i have no monitor and its going to be about february next year before i'll have any money towards it.  And before anyone says it, yes i have backed up all the files for the edit. I make a backup every week, including a backup of the backup just in case, so if a hard drive dies then i'm covered.

I guess a lot of the hardware problems are due to the lifespan just coming to an end. after all they say the lifespan of something nowadays is 5 years and that is based on a use of only a few hours per day. When you consider that this PC is usually on 24/7 its not surprising really

so, yes, you can say i'm gutted :(

Jay said:

I'm going to put together a wide layout skin as an option, but it will apply to the forum only. What some view as wasted space, others view as a layout more appropriate for actual reading.

Another "light" skin will be available soon. I just didn't have time to get it ready for this update.

Regarding images...I'm working on something. I know it's annoying when the images get clipped, but honestly, all these giant images have no business being embedded directly in forum posts anyway. It makes pages take much longer to load for those on slower connections, and I'm regularly annoyed by the "jumps" that occur when I use the first unread post link on a topic, drop down to that post, and the contents continue to shift as images load at the top of the page. This doesn't happen all the time (God bless FIOS), but when the server is busy, it's annoying as hell.

All I can suggest for now is using links to images instead of embedding them. It's entirely likely I'll disable the ability to dump full-size images in posts.

yeh, i've got to say that some of the images are getting ridiculously large now and many not even compressed. Maybe restrict images to imageshack thumbnails or something similar, maybe even change the "insert/edit image" icon in the reply tab to turn any images into thumbnail links?

I, for one have to say that i don't like the new "slim" forum layout. Whereas before the layout filled the screen, the new layout just leaves huge empty spaces either side which looks terrible. Also it is now cutting off pictures in the forum even worse than before (which had been fixed)

Even the picture i have posted has been cropped on the right hand side, yet it shows fully when editing a post and previewing it

Also there is a problem when the last part of your post is a picture and you preview it, you can't get the cursor to be placed after the picture if you want to add anything else

Any chance we could have a choice between the old wider layout & the new one or maybe please give us back the wider layout

Jeyl said:

Eliminate the AT-STs? That doesn't make much sense. They may be in only two shots, but it sounds like you're deleting them for deletion's sake. The Empire does have 'variety' in their forces. 

Why doesn't it make sense? Check the scene where you see the one walking in the background after Luke has fallen from the AT-AT. Where did it disappear to? you should see it in the following shots but it just mysteriously vanishes. So i'm not just deleting them for deletions sake, as you put it. Agreed i may be able to keep the one shot earlier on, but change it height, but the one with Luke has to go for continuity sake

vaderios said:

Ady: is this fixed?

yes, all the stardestroyer engines will be blue

vaderios said:

Ady: did you fix the lights that are lit in one shot and in the other are off again?

 

yes, thats been fixed too

vaderios said:

When the troops are ready to carry Needa's body the shot gets a weird darkening like vintage in several frames. Will this consider an error?

Not sure if two frames can tell the difference.

 

yeh, thats a  strange lighting change but there isn't anything i can do about that

vaderios said:

I like both of your ideas Monroville!

Not sure either but maybe some slight clouds in that scene like we see in previous ones?

-Angel

While it would be nice to add clouds to the exterior, there just isn't a tracking point that can be used to add the sky. It may just look like a simple camera pan shot but trust me, it's not , i've tried

vaderios said:

Ady any ideas replacing the same footage?

Wrong uniforms vs Flipped shots

-Angel

I may be eliminating that shot

AuggieBenDoggie said:

No, he completed the shot with somebody else I imagine. Like I said earlier, I could not get/find a X-wing model that matched the studio version used in ESB. My render was done back in feburary I think, and Ady hasn't kept in touch with me about it since. Anyway, I'm not worried about it. Ady does a fantastic job with or without my help. Once I get my desktop going again in a few months I will post the full animation I worked on. The animation does look a whole lot better than the still pic.

I did contact you but heard no reply. I guess my message got lost somewhere. Anyway, the guy who i'm working with on the CG had a good model of the X-wing so that shot is complete now. Thanks for offering to help me out though.

Ripplin said:

I was watching some jaw-dropping explosions on the series "Destroyed in Seconds" yesterday and it got me thinking about the power generator scene and how Adywan wants to replace that explosion. Any progress there, Ady?

I won't be starting that scene until the new year now, along with all the other model shots

Monroville said:

I still wished Ady would add more vehicles.. even if it was more Scout Walkers just to show that the Empire has an actual army.  Even if there still has to be only 5 AT-ATs, to see a good 12 AT-STs around them would be impressive.

The problem with that is getting a CG model of an ESB AT-ST to match the look and feel of the stop-motion AT-At's. Plus there are so many shots where the At-St's need to be seen that it would be an enormous amount of work. There are also shots that aren't static that matching the camera motion would be really hard. As i have mentioned before, i will most likely just be removing the At-St's from the only 2 shots we see them

Deadmeat said:

After going through this exhaustive thread I didn't see anything regarding the 3/4 scale mock up of the falcon built for the hoth (and possibly some bespin scenes).  It is a wonderful exterior, but I thought I remember hearing or reading it was built 3/4 scale to accomodate the studio it was filmed in.

My question then is will you be re-scaling (if even at all possible) to more correctly match the proportions as seen lets say in the hanger of the DS in ANH.

Welcome, Deadmeat. No, i won't be correcting the scale of the studio set Falcon. There are too many things happening on and around the Falcon during the scenes where the full size set piece is seen that i won't be attempting it.

vaderios said:

i say just a thought to improve visual and de retroize the noise look (it has been mentioned before) is to take the exposure/light concept that we see in ROTS

and fit it to ESB only is several frames long.

i said again its an idea.

I actually like the way there is the static on the monitors in the OT. Everything seemed so clean and new in the PT that nothing seemed to have any form of character and it all became the same sort of visuals you see in every SCI-FI movie, and that just bores me. The retro look always helped the OT visually look like it was somehow had the feeling that this was set a long time ago....

rpvee said:

I must say that, despite color correction and enhancement efforts, how well do they really work?  On VLC Media Player, if you boost the Contrast a LITTLE BIT, and the Saturation a LOT, the lack of color in the original file becomes clear.  Here's some stills from Adywan's own ANH Revisited to show just how much better still the color could be.  The top is the original, the bottom with the effects on:

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I'm sorry, but those pictures are so oversaturated they look horrible.

I can't believe that the so called "pleasantville" look of the DS in ANH is being brought up again. It was a creative decision i made and not an attempt at colour correction. I wanted the Death Star to have that warship feel (plus the DS in ROTJ has grey interiors and not blue) with grey walls. If you have seen my AVCHD of ANH you can see the real colour correction i did for the DS interiors where the walls are still blue as they were in the original, but not the oversaturated colour they are in the 2004 transfers. Because of the horrible colouring of those transfers, the blue tint has eliminated any of the subtle colour tints anyway. Everything bis either blue or cyan. If i had a good quality copy of the original pre-SE transfers to work with i would have been able to eliminate the blue while keeping the subtle tints, but i didn't so i couldn't

Sevb32 said:

Here's a proposal/idea, and before you get combative, hear it out, think it through. How about a donation drive to Ady to get what he has finished of ESB:Revisited released by Christmas or by the end of January? Maybe he can finish all the easier effects touch ups if any left, leaving out the new model Wampa and the few other models he wants to build, the donations from this will help fund building and finishing and those for the v 2.0 to be released later in 2010.

Again....

Lets say set a goal at 400 usd dollars/ (243 pounds.) maybe even 500 dollars (304 pounds) he then can release a Version 1.0 by late January, perhaps slightly sooner, and then from these donations he gets more funding to finish all his models and release a version 2.0 later next year. These donation goal amounts are just an example, they can be higher or lower, of course. It's not much different than donations for cameos proposal or a lottery for workprints. Think about it. If agreed to I'll donate at least 50 bucks, you have my word. But whatever goal to is set, he must get that amount to be able to release v 1.0 earlier than if we had to wait months for all the models to be done. This is a way to get the donations rolling in. Build enthusiasm too!

 

Edit: and yes vaderios, more people seeing v 1.0 will give him even more feedback.

I'm sorry, but this will never happen. There is no way i would want to release an unfinished version of ESB:R. Which is why i only ever sent out 1 copy of the workprint.

Yes, i am still desperate for donations as there is still a lot of things left to get. I don't have an actual figure but, as i have said before, once i have enough to finish it i will not accept any more donations. While i will not be offering to release an unfinished version of ESB:R i will offer this: For everyone that donated for the cameo draw, and everyone that donates between now and December 31st i will release a brand new clip. It will be the entire escape from Hoth/ Asteroid scene up until Luke approaches Dagobah. Although it won't have the new asteroid canyon (because with everything that has been going on i just haven't had the time to be able to finish the canyon and have a free day to assemble it and film it), almost all the other shots will be complete and as it will be seen when the movie is released. And although i have released clips from this scene before, you will see that most of the shots you have seen already have been thrown out and replaced with new FX shots. Then i will send a download link to the clip to everyone on Jan 1st. I really want to crack on with everything after Xmas

This is the best i can offer i'm afraid. I've included everyone that donated for the cameo draw because its looking less likely that i will be able to add anyone convincingly into the film.

Thanks for all the kind words and support guys. things are looking so much better now. She has really shocked the doctors,  and us, just how much she has recovered and how quickly. She is still not fully recovered, but getting there a lot quicker than we all thought. The doctors said she probably wouldn't walk again for at least 6 months because she hasn't been able to eat or had the strength to use her legs but she's walking already with the use of a frame. She was so determined to prove them all wrong and she did it. Now you can see where i get my determination from. lol 

Looks like i've got a hell of a lot of catching up to do. I'm not back to the edit full time just yet, and probably won't be until after Christmas now, but i'm doing little bits here and there while i'm at home.

I haven't been able to get the Wampa fur from the Post Office yet because i can't afford to pay the customs charges just yet but i really hope i can get it soon so i can get this Wampa finished and filmed.

Sorry i haven't been able to reply to things lately but i've had a bit of a shit week or so.

Firstly my Mum was taken ill last week and she got a lot worse towards the weekend so i've been spending all my time looking after her and giving me dad a hand, so i've only been able to read the thread now and then on the wifes mobile phone and i hate typing on that thing so couldn't reply. She's almost 80 now so its not good and they don't want to put her in hospital because the doctor said that she could catch something and get a lot worse. So much for our so called clean hospitals now. My Dad is 80 now so its way too much for him to cope with on his own. She's started to improve a bit so i've had a few spare hours to go back home, but i'm afraid i just don't have enough time to reply to all the emails, suggestions and PM's at the moment. I don't know how long i'll be staying down there and just how long i won't be able to work on the edit for now. So it looks like the May release date just won't happen now, but to be honest it's the last thing on my mind at the moment

I had to pop back home today anyway because the fur was being delivered today. So the postman delivered it today. So at least a bit of good news you would think? well, no. They want me to pay £75 for customs charges for the 3 skins, which i just don't have. I asked him if i could pay at another date but he said that without paying it then he can't give me the parcel and went off, taking the skins with him. God i hate this bloody country. We pay enough taxes and then have to pay more if we have a chance at getting something a bit cheaper than we can buy in this country.  God knows when ill be able to pay for them.

Well, i'm off. I should hopefully be back home again tonight because my brother is coming down to take over for a night, so i'll try to read through everything and reply later.

boba feta said:

He also makes a surprise appearance in the new Transformers movie believe it or not.

yep

brash_stryker said:

I'm unsure if this has been covered before, but will you be making a version available without the hardcoded subtitles? I don't know the first thing about colour correction, and a HD version of AOTC already colour corrected but without the hardcoded subtitles would be a godsend for me and anyone else working on their own edits where they may want to change the meaning of the alien dialogue.

I'd be forever in your debt if you uploaded such a video for other people to use as a base in their own edits (obviously giving you credit where it's due)

It's highly doubtful as there doesn't seem to be any 1080p copies without hardcoded subtitles

Yes it's real.

Monroville said:

BTW, thanks for the quick reply.. so what time is it in the UK right now (I have 30 minutes past midnight here)?

It's 6.10am  here in the UK

Monroville said:

Uh oh!  Are the Star Destroyer engines going to be blue?

Also, by making the shuttle a little larger it will be easier to see.

BTW, is there any way to darken the SD hull a little more?  I think it does look quite a bit improved over the original scene, but it would be interesting just to see how it would look...

 

yes, the engines are going to be blue. The AVCHD was only a colour correction to be closer to the original and the engines weren't blue for the most part originally in ESB for some strange reason.

I don't want to darken the hull any more. darkening it makes the stardestroyer blend into the background too much. Even though the lighting is incorrect the focus is immediately on the top stardestroyer being lighter which it should be

savmagoett said:

For the rest of your diatribe as you are so prompt judging me I will be as well, I'm sorry Adywan, but you're the one making affirmations here, saying "i have proved that i am right", "this shot is wrong", "this one is right", "this tower has an oversized bridge section", "the Executor is the only one that has the bridge section at the correct scale" (based on what please?). For someone who's "the first to admit when he's wrong" you don't sound very open to discussion…

For one, i have not judged you whatsoever. You have totally taken what i have said out of context by quoting a few sections here . For one, the bridge size on the Executor was introduced in ESB where as the oversized bridge on the large scale stardestroyer tower wasn't introduced until ROTJ. And we know that the towers between the tow designs of ships are the same size as the proof was in the movies. The stardestroyer tower built for ROTJ wasn't a very detailed model because it was only to be used in a couple of shots. It's seems that they were working on the assumption that the Executor tower was supposed to be larger so they made the bridge section larger to fit with that scale. They got the scaling wrong about a lot of things in ROTJ so i wouldn't use that movie as any point of reference, which is why i use the Executor as a point of reference for my scaling. Plus as i showed in my examples the Tantive IV is at least 25% smaller than you have in your scaling diagram which indeed fits in with the smaller shuttle scale.

savmagoett said:

You're even patronizing me about what I should consider as argument: "Forget about the so called sizes of ships that are documented because many are just so wrong". At least speak for yourself man! If I choose to use one such document it's because i find that one relevant, not because they are "official". I'm not taking them for granted nor as stand alone proof but I'm not systematically discarding them either.

When was i patronising you? All i said that you shouldn't really use a lot of these guides as reference because they have been proven to be incorrect many times. How is that patronising? You see it all the time that people will argue facts about things in Star Wars just because it says so in a book and not even bother to try an work things out for themselves, so i was just offering some advise. You want to read through my ANH:R & ESB:R threads to see just how many times an argument has started because i'm doing something that in "such and such" book it says different and that i'm making a mistake. At least you seem to be working things out for yourself to provide your side of the arguments, for which i applaud you.

savmagoett said:

I just wish to explain my point of view here (which can only be done trough several posts) and therefore answering your question. Sorry I failed to answer you question right away sir! Why are you getting obnoxious just because someone is challenging your statement. I was just trying to present you with some document that you may not know and alternate reasoning that you may not have come up with, that's all…

But you just won't let me, don't you?

Me getting obnoxious? Where was i being obnoxious? All i was asking was how you were determining the scale of the shuttle against the stardestroyer and even though i had agreed with you the shuttle was approx 20mtrs long your reply was to go on about the size of the shuttle again. All i wanted to know was your calculation, so how is that being obnoxious? All i was trying to do was open up the discussion a bit, that's all. But now who's being patronising calling me sir like that? Hmmm? lol

savmagoett said:

Wow wow, Ady, I was just kidding (that's why I putted the smiley). Maybe my english was ambiguous, if so, I'm sorry. I'm a French talking guy who do his best to speak your language, and humor is the most difficult part of that. I assure you I wasn't making any assumption toward your personality.

smiley or no smiley what you said came across as a smug assumption that i'm not going to like your arguments for your case, which is totally wrong about me. But now you have explained that English isn't your first language then i can see how things may be getting confused between what we both say and the manor in which they are meant, so i say we should start a fresh. I really do want to hear your side of things, maybe you will come up with a good argument that may change my mind? You never know.

You have to remember that things do come across differently in a forum because you can't hear the tone in which something is said. And if you read through my threads you will see that i am very willing to admit when i am wrong. In my ESB:R thread i have admitted that i am wrong about the original size i had for the shuttle and have changed it accordingly to my final calculations, which i wouldn't have bothered doing in so much depth if you hadn't put your argument across. So please don't think i'm trying to stop you in any way, because that isn't my intention at all.

After looking at the scale of the shuttle that i calculated earlier on in the thread it does indeed look like Needa's shuttle is slightly too small. So i have redone the shot now so the shuttle is the correct scale. 

The first pic is the model built for the close up shots of the stardestroyer tower during the Endor battle while the bottom one is for the close-up shots of the Executor in ROTJ. You can see the correct Executor tower during the Tydirium "code clearence" scene

Enigmas said:

However, I am bothered by the flight path of the shuttle during Needa's visit to the Executor. It seems a bit arching and ponderous to me (for all 7 seconds it's on screen). Is that flight path final?

Yes, it's final. Ideally i would have liked the shuttle to have taken a path that would take it underneath the Executor, but with its angle that wasn't an option so i just had t go in the direction of the original shuttle

Ganamae said:

could some of the snow storm scenes from the latest Star Trek movie be useful for some ESB:R scenes?

I did think about that but the styles are quite different so wouldn't fit in. Almost all of the snowstorm scenes in ESB are real filmed scenes whereas in ST they are very heavily CG

savmagoett said:

Ady won't like it but you're making my point Angel :)

I'll explain later got to sleep now :o

I won't like it? you don't even know me yet you're making assumptions like that. I'm the first to admit when i am wrong, but in this case i have proved that i am right with the scale issue here. At least i'm providing logcal and illustrated proof to back up my arguments. I asked you a few times in the ESB:R thread, before you made this one,  what you were using to calculate the scale of the stardestroyer in conjunction with the shuttle but failed to answer my question , yet keep harping on that you are right and i am wrong. So i'll ask again: how are you calculating the scale between the two? Your arguments for the scale of the shuttle would mean that the outer edges of the stardestroyer are only about 3 decks high?

Check the scale proof that i provided and there can be no question about the scale of the shuttle, and that;s taking into account the differences between the studio shuttle set and the miniature model. With the stardestroyer & executor towers being the same size the logical choice is to use the executor exterior bridge dome as a scale reference. The dome on the 1 stardestroyer model that has this feature is too big. Don't forget that the lights we see on the stardestroyer aren't for decoration. They are meant to represent windows, so if you go by the larger scale bridge, the windows would be more like portholes. lol

But i guess no matter how much proof i give, you will always be right ;)

Ah, i can see where the scaling is going out there Angel. The stardestroyer model you are using for the comparison is has been modelled on the stardestroyer with the oversized bridge section. Heres the different towers that were used for the models in the OT. The Executor is the only one that has the bridge section at the correct scale when compared to the tower.

vaderios said:

I dont get it.

I mean why the millenium falcon is wrong in the back of the sd?

I run the scales on 3d max i put the falcon in the back and it looks the same...

-Angel

I think its just slightly too big when we see it on the back of the stardestroyer. how are you judging the scaling? are the 2 models you are using accurate?

As this has now been given its own thread its probably best that i place my reply to your scaling in here:

adywan said:

OK, i have to put the debate about scales to rest now. Forget about the so called sizes of ships that are documented because many are just so wrong. The scale of the Lambda shuttle in the ROTJ opening , which seems to be the basis of the scale, is wrong. See the pics below:

1:- taken from the pic you posted, savmagoett,  of the scale between a human and the shuttle. Now the interior of the bridge and its windows is the same size for the Executor as it is for the stadestroyers. But in the models they only added the correct domed outside of the bridge to the executor. There is one stardestroyer model that has the domed bridge but the scale for that would have made the stardestroyers bridges almost 3x the size of the Executors one. Now the Towers of the stardestroyers and the Executor are exactly the same size so we can use the Executor tower with the domed bridge for the comparison. As you can see the scale of the human is the correct scale with the bridge.

2:- Now zoomed out so we can see the full tower, which you can see the scale of the shuttle in comparison to the tower.

3:- Full zoom out. The highest points of the zoomed tower perfectly matching the highest points in the full model, which is the centre point of the stardestroyer so the scale is correct. Copied and pasted the shuttle from the zoomed section and placed it next to your shuttles scaling.

4:- the scaling zoomed in. As you can see the correct scale of the shuttle in comparison with the stardestroyer should be a lot smaller than your calculations. So the shuttle in ESB:R will be the correct smaller scale which will fit inside the stardestroyers docking bay

You also have the scaling of the Tantive IV in comparison to the Stardestroyer wrong also. Here's a pic from ANH that demonstrates this:

Now looking at your scaling that i used for image #3 you have the Tantive IV almost as long as the Stardestroyer bay. Well in this shot it isnt even fully inside the bay, as can be clearly seen, yet isn't already a lot smaller in its length than you have it.

I'd like to know what reference you are using for the size of the Stardestroyers and the Tantive IV, especially when you have said that i'm wrong in my scaling even though i have clearly proved the correct scaling of the ships in conjunction to the stardestroyer. Yes, i agree that the Lambda class shuttle is about 20m long, but  are using an online /published reference of the size of the stardestroyer to get your scaling of the shuttle because i would suggest not to take the scaling in the reference books as gospel because many are very wrong. Also using the scale of a human against a ship in a hnagar shot etc to get the correct scale is also not entrely an accurate way to do it. Just look at the scaling problem of the on-set Millennium Falcon in ESB. It's probably around 25% smaler than it should be. And check out this shot of the hangar in ROTJ

Just look how tiny the Millennium Falcon is compared to the people in that matte painting. It should be hell of a lot bigger. It's even smaller than the studio set one in ESB

 

OK, i have to put the debate about scales to rest now. Forget about the so called sizes of ships that are documented because many are just so wrong. The scale of the Lambda shuttle in the ROTJ opening , which seems to be the basis of the scale, is wrong. See the pics below:

1:- taken from the pic you posted, savmagoett,  of the scale between a human and the shuttle. Now the interior of the bridge and its windows is the same size for the Executor as it is for the stadestroyers. But in the models they only added the correct domed outside of the bridge to the executor. There is one stardestroyer model that has the domed bridge but the scale for that would have made the stardestroyers bridges almost 3x the size of the Executors one. Now the Towers of the stardestroyers and the Executor are exactly the same size so we can use the Executor tower with the domed bridge for the comparison. As you can see the scale of the human is the correct scale with the bridge.

2:- Now zoomed out so we can see the full tower, which you can see the scale of the shuttle in comparison to the tower.

3:- Full zoom out. The highest points of the zoomed tower perfectly matching the highest points in the full model, which is the centre point of the stardestroyer so the scale is correct. Copied and pasted the shuttle from the zoomed section and placed it next to your shuttles scaling.

4:- the scaling zoomed in. As you can see the correct scale of the shuttle in comparison with the stardestroyer should be a lot smaller than your calculations. So the shuttle in ESB:R will be the correct smaller scale which will fit inside the stardestroyers docking bay

I hope this has now put a rest to the great scaling debate ;)

Gorilla said:

I'm just curious Adywan, we know that the scale for pretty much every ship is off.  So let's say it were possible to fix all the dimensions, so the Star Wars universe was uniform.  In your opinion, which ship from the OT is the best choice for your primary reference to change all others by?  It's the amateur architect in me, I can't resist a geometry problem. ;)

BarBar Jinkx said:

Got to be the Falcon, or X-wing  they are at 1:1 scale throughout (as is the N1 Starfighter for the PT) so they are the perfect reference point

I'd have to say the Stardestroyers. The bridge sections of the standard & Executor are the same size and we can see the scale of a human against the windows so we can work out scales from that. The Falcon can't really be used because there are two different scales used throughout the movies when we see it against humans and when its flying: The studio set is completely the wrong scale. It's actually too small as can be seen when they are repairing the falcon in ESB and we see Chewie in the cockpit from outside. The cockpit is about 40% smaller than it should be when we see them in the cockpit set. So to match the scale of the cockpit set and the model the studio version should be a lot bigger.

Darth Solo said:

-Although, i go for a DAMN no way on removing the Lambada shutlle from Jedi. Its the most georgious space-ship ever designed, and we get get to see the most of it Endor (i get your way of thinking, but i have seen the the shuttle with an alternitive design, so I urge you to think of some sort of of a work around when you get to Jedi). Thats just messing with the OT too much. But thats another totally seperate project from here.

I have never said i'm getting rid of the Lambda shuttle from ROTJ:R. I'm scrapping the copycat ANH opening and changing the Tydirium to a different design so its noticeably different as its supposed to be a cargo shuttle. The opening is just a rehash of ANH as it stands at the moment. It's one thing i hated when i saw the movie. Jedi really needs to get away from that . And i agree that the opening as it stands makes the Death Star look insignificant when its supposed to be more powerful. The stardestroyer just dwarfs it.

But that is all for the ROTJ:R thread once its created. I need to get through ESB:R first

A little bit of an update:

The Faux fur/ hair i was using for the Wampa just wasn't working. It started to look like a fake Halloween creature. But some good news is that i have managed to buy 3 full hides of snow white real fur. This was bloody expensive, around £350 with postage, but thanks to  Janskeet i was able to afford this, but i'm now cleaned out. Yes i know its an expensive thing to buy just for a puppet, but putting all this time and effort into building it only to have it look terrible with fake fur would have been a waste of both time and money.

I still have a long way to go with the model/ set building but i am completely cleaned out and things are grinding to a halt, so any help would be highly appreciated

Bingowings said:

Ganamae said:

Here is the concept art of the TIE shuttle made for ESB.

 

 Actually that is concept art for the TIE Bomber done for ANH and not picked up until ESB.

Actually it's the concept art for the TIE shuttle for ANH, but the shuttle idea was abandoned in ANH and then used for the TIE bomber in ESB