adywan

I highly doubt that this was for the ROTJ deleted scene as there have been pictures of the outside of the cave filming with 3P0 & R2 from way back.

it wouldn't work earlier in the movie. It couldn't be placed as the first scene we see Vader because the flow would be ruined. The probe is destroyed and then we have the imperial fleet reveal. This scene is the confirmation that the Empire have received the probes data before it was destroyed and that they are on the way to Hoth to kick some ass.

I've also just noticed that this topic has now had over 1 million views :)

The flaps on the speeder models won't be fixed. To do this i would need a clean background plate for every shot the mistake happens (which i just don't have access to) and replace those speeders with CG models.

try using the CCCP codec pack.

I'm using the Creative labs fatality with the front bay. This has optical and coaxial front inputs and is perfect for capturing digital audio

Savage said:

Radi0n said:

adywan said:

I really don't think ESB needs anything added and the SE is a good example of that.

Read it through... twice.

Yeah, that made me do a double take, too!  Wait, what's going on with this project? lol

I was talking about adding scenes when someone asked if i would be using any of the deleted scenes from the Blu-Ray set.

EvilSupes said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Ady, you said you convert to Lagarith... I've found that Lagarith gives me weird glitches. You don't have this problem? Or have you learned how to remedy it? It always gives me a frame here and there that wigs out. So I often stick with HuffyUV.

I get the same problem, but only in Windows 7 64bit. I also found both HuffyuV and Lagarith a real %*$£"£! to install in 64bit.

Ady, you must have stacks of hdd's to do your work with lossless avi editing, which must be a real annoyance to work with. I speak from my own experience of course.

I've never had any problem with Lagarith in any programs. HuffyuV on the other hand gave me all sorts of problems in Premier and Vegas. I'm using win7 64bit and had no problems installing it. Are you using the 64bit version of lagarith?

JaaayDee said:

Okay so this is my first time posting here, and I've been curious about how how all the holographics/screen displays will be done on this.

Are the majority of the displays (with 70's graphics) present throughout the film going to be updated with more modern graphics akin to the PT?  Are you planning to change anything at all with the MF's interiors?

And concerning the prequels: I know that the PT will be made to look more like the OT when you eventually get to it; but I don't really get the gist of it.  Are you planning to do color correction on the screen displays to make them look more old or worn out, or are you going to be adding in entirely new displays from your craft?  Will the holograms be kept the same or will you incorporate your own?  What are you thinking to do when you plan to make the interiors look more like the OT?  I'm sorry if these questions are too premature right now but if you have the basic idea yet, could you elaborate on these things?

 

I really can't see why the Falcons interiors need changing at all

As for the PT, displays need downgrading along with the holograms. These films are supposed to take place before the OT yet they seem to be more advanced. They did attempt to tie in the displays in ROTS but it was too little too late. These displays need to look more old style.  I didn't say i was planning on making the interiors more like the OT, i have said that i want some of the CG backgrounds to look less like a video game and more realistic by using real miniature sets

captainsolo said:

 

What is the difference in Blu-ray codecs? I thought that these were lossless. I'm a complete Blu novice so I really don't know much of anything about these new codecs and such. I'm thinking that everyone is using DTS because it has always held more information. What should be done is simply use whichever method the film was designed for in the best possible quality. Dolby is synonymous with the OT, but that may not exactly translate to HD. None of this will likely matter since Lucasfilm has been busy at work on another new soundtrack. Why I don't know because the 97 was perfect.

Ady, did the 97 DTS really sound that much better than the Dolby mix? Not sure what I heard in theaters back then.

you see, this is my point. There isn't that much difference between DTS & Dolby tracks on Blu-Ray so i really can't see what the problem is, especially as it will be a completely new audio mix.

Yes, the DTS track did sound much better than the Dolby mix in theatres in '97. But this could well have been dependant on the theatres set up i suppose. Although i saw ANH up and done the country in '97 as i was travelling at the time of its release with work. I saw it in DTS about 6 times and Dolby about 10 (not much to do at night in a strange town). I'd say that the 2 UCI cinemas i watched it at had the worse sound, but they always have had in my local one, so there was no surprise there. But i can remember being blown away by most of the DTS showings more than the Dolby ones. There just seemed to be so much more to it. It's hard to explain really. I really wish i could get hold of a copy of the original DTS track

I don't know if you have seen this facebook groups but it has a lot of interesting photos

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=316830255423&ref=mf#!/photo_search.php?oid=28119871842&view=all

Jedi Temple34 said:

adywan said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKNrK53uA84

I just watched STAR WARS rebel death star attack re-visited and laugh my ass off when the Tie-Fighters appeared in the hundreds! Red leader to gold leader we’re f%*ucked!

What has my edit got anything to do with this topic? And what's so funny about it? please explain what you meant by this comment

Bingowings said:

Have you ever wondered what's it like to be wanderers in the The Firth of Forth dimension? Have you? To be exiles?

Classic Hartnell :)

 

It was funny! You know funny when the tie-fighters approach in the hundreds rather than a few handful LOL nice one funny.

Its better now there on youtube at least I can watch them even thou they lag sometimes but at least I can watch it! nice one!

 

 

oh right. so you were just taking the piss out of my work then i guess

I would never edit using the original codec of a Blu-ray or DVD as it can cause a lot of problems. I always convert the video to lossless avi using the lagarith codec.

I won't be using any deleted scenes off the blu-ray for ESB:R no matter what scenes it may contain because for one it won't be out in time and secondly i really don't think ESB needs anything added and the SE is a good example of that. ROTJ:R may be a different matter altogether though

Jedi Temple34 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKNrK53uA84

I just watched STAR WARS rebel death star attack re-visited and laugh my ass off when the Tie-Fighters appeared in the hundreds! Red leader to gold leader we’re f%*ucked!

What has my edit got anything to do with this topic? And what's so funny about it? please explain what you meant by this comment

Bingowings said:

Have you ever wondered what's it like to be wanderers in the The Firth of Forth dimension? Have you? To be exiles?

Classic Hartnell :)

Bingowings said:

Chateau Bingowings is smaller on the inside than it is on outside.

lol. you have a reverse TARDIS.

Jedi Temple34 said:

When were you in the UK to see STAR WARS 1997 special editions? Which UCI sites and can you still recall the screen number?

I've been in the UK all my life.

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

F%&k it then! I’ll just buy the region1DVD at cheap price, least I’ll be listening to it in DOLBY STEREO DIGITAL 5.1.

 

Good luck with that, especially with Episode 4. Enjoy the reversed music surround channels, the horrible dialogue mixing from different takes, Sound effects coming from the wrong front channels, distorted LFE track, and Music dialled down so low that it disappeared in some scenes, most notably during the Death Star attack. None of these problems existed in the theatrical mixes, as the laserdisc 5.1 proves.

So what would you prefer? A Dolby mix with all these problems or a DTS mix that is flawless?

If these were going to be the unaltered trilogy then i would be all for a dolby mix that contains the 70mm tracks and original theatrical mixes, along with a new 5.1` mix, but they aren't so nit really doesn't matter

I'm not having a go at you or anything like that i'm just trying to show you that you're reasoning for refusing to buy the blu-rays because it may contain a DTS track may be flawed as these will be all new mixes anyway

hairy_hen said:

The grappling hook thing is ridiculous.  All you have to do to confirm that it is Apocryphal of the worst kind is listen to the music cue for this scene.  The way it is composed fits the film perfectly--there is no break or edit anywhere that would indicate it had been trimmed to fit a shortened version of the scene.  There are other places in the film where the music is edited to accommodate picture changes, and listening to them as compared to the score alone the cuts can be spotted easily enough, but the chasm scene never needed to be subjected to this.

One of the most intelligent answers that quashes the "grappling hook" myth once and for all. There is no place it would fit. John Williams writes the score to fit the emotions and pacing that is on the screen. There is no section prior to the grappling hook that would match a complete miss by luke. It never happened, it's just a false memory, same with people swearing they saw the anchorhead scenes in the movie at its release.

Jedi Temple34 said:

Look I respect what you do don’t even try that “dts in selected theatres” on me. I saw Empire in dts at UCI Tower Park screen 6, rubbish!

Don't even try that "dts in selected theatres" on you? I was merely stating a fact. And you say it was rubbish? I guess your UCI has a really crappy sound system (which most UCI's i have visited have had crappy systems) then because i saw the SE in both Dolby and DTS and the DTS version blew the other away. The dynamic range and clarity of the DTS track was amazing. The dolby track was just flat compared.

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

So it was also in few SDDS houses if they could care about using the SDDS6.

Not a format used by either Blu-Ray or DVD so this really doesn't matter

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

Its like a 35mm print and cinema sound rack system housing DOLBY dts and SDDS6/8 decoder the cinema as a choice in what to use for playback! With bluray we don’t get a choice now is that in anyway unclear?

Who do you think you are talking to me like that just because i don't agree with your over the top rants? How many films do you know available that only have a dolby track and don't give anyone the choice of a DTS track, even though the movie may have only been seen at the cinemas in DTS?? Most of them, but i don't see you ranting about that

At the end of the day i'm more concerned about the quality of a product than what sound format is used. If it contained a dolby and DTS track and the DTS was superior then i would use that one and vice versa.

This whole argument is like someone saying:

"i grew up watching Star Wars on VHS so there is no way i'm going to watch it on Blu-ray because this is not the format i originally saw it on."

Jedi Temple34 said:

 For me it’s a big deal it’s a vintage iconic Dolby film mix and Fox knows this and Lucasfilm Skywalker sound, knows this to be true, they obviously don’t give a hoot they’d sooner grab the money from the sales.

Some on blutay.com was wishing for 7.1 and that is going too far…! SIGH

7.1 is going to f%*k up a lot of classic 70mm 6trcak mixes mark my words.

But this isn't an iconic film mix. It isn't even the original SE film mix on the DVD's. And they have never used a 70mm film mix on any of the star wars films when released. 5.1 mixes aren't even the same as a 70mm soundtrack of the star wars movies and that uses Dolby, so your argument falls completely flat there. They are new mixes so it really doesn't matter which house is used to encode the soundtrack now does it? Or do you just not get that?

EvilSupes said:

I'm curious what's the source on this DTS-MA news?

I just pulled it out of my ass.  It was starting to get a bit dead in here so i thought i would liven things up a bit. It was all just for fun and no disrespect was meant towards anyone, including JT34

When you're on as many painkillers as i am at the moment it screws with your head a bit and my mischievous side comes out to play. ;)

Jedi Temple34 said:

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

 

Cheers that’s the best news I’ve been really waiting for! I’ll now put STAR WARS on the my bluray BANNED list because it uses dtsHDMA!

 

I did tell you all! Well that doesn’t surprise me at all, if not a predictable of Fox as they are hell bent like all the studios now on siding with dtsHDMA. 

 

 

But why is it such a big deal if they use DTS audio for the Blu-Rays? We're getting the special editions and not the unaltered trilogy and these had DTS audio in selected theatres so they are using the same format.I'm really happy that they have gone down the DTS route because this is really the best format, so much better than Dolby. Nearly all DTS soundtracks i've heard have knocked the spots of their Dolby counterparts.

I can understand people not wanting to buy the blu-rays because of which version they contain but refusing to buy because of an audio format is pretty laughable to me, especially when that format was used for their theatrical run.

Well i'm refusing to buy them because i saw Star Wars on film and not on some digital format so i will not buy any releases until it's released in its true format and each film get an original 35mm celluloid release

Jaitea said:

TV's Frink said:

While I respect the work and research being done on the socks, perhaps the discussion belongs in another thread such as the ESB/ROTJ wishlist?

adywan said:

R2's "socks" don't bother me. I didn't remove them in ANH:R so i won't be in this one too.

Yes i do agree with you Mr.Frenk, but If you remember Ady did say that he had no intention to add 'Air-brakes' or as most people affectionately call them 'flaps' to the Snowspeeders, until I made a video mock-up, which made him change his mind......He sometimes does change his mind.

I'll post the mock-up and that will be the end of the subject.

& for a change around here this is on topic

J

The difference here is that i left the "socks" in ANH:R so i will be leaving them for the rest of the OTY. They really have never bothered me and i've always seen them as part of R2 when he's bipedal. I definitely won't be changing this.

timdiggerm said:

Chewtobacca said:

timdiggerm said:

This is one of the biggest problems with this site : The current project distribution model basically relies on it being a small community, and the community's not going to get bigger without a way for just anyone to come here and download at least some kind of sample of why the Lucasfilm releases suck.

I see your point, but there is the newsgroup.  All Adywan's AVCHD releases are there, and anyone can find them and download them however big the community becomes.

Excuse me, there is the what? I'm pretty decent at the whole internet thing, having been on the web since it was called the web back in 1998, computer science degree, etc, and I have no idea how to access "the newsgroup". Very few people use those things anymore; torrent is where it's at, when it comes to distribution.

Torrents are being used less and less now due to the frequency of prosecutions by the MPAA and other countries authorities, especially here in the UK. No one so far has ever been prosecuted for using usenet. plus you will always have to rely on people seeding a torrent where you don't have to worry about that with usenet, and with retention by many providers being 1 + year it's easy to reupload a release so it never disappears. And then theres the speed issue. Torrents are slow slow slow unless there are enough seeders or a seeder with a seedbox. Usenet you can get your full download speed. 

But many are now using file hosting sites like rapidhshare to host their work. It's very rare now that an editor will use torrents to share their work.

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

A B C said:

Funny thing, I already saw that sequence one or two years ago on youtube. Can't remember if it was Exactly the same, but I believe it is. Only... I DO not remember at all the Vader intro, and I must say I'm amazed as it looks like something from today......... From a "fashion" point of view.

Whatever. Adventures... excitement... A Jedi craves not these things.

... huh ?

 

I'm pretty sure what you saw was the scene mock-up that was done for Returning to Jedi showing the lightsabre prop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdH12otbLFw&feature=PlayList&p=598853A1150124D0&index=0&playnext=1

check at around the 5minute mark

If any part of the scene that was shown at C5 had ever been on youtube it would have been all over the net, which it wasn't until this was shown at the weekend

Nerfherder said:

 By the way noticed another flaw in the 2004 SEs the other day - at one point Vader and Obi's sword switch colours for an instant!!!!!! Deliberate creative fuck up, sorry decision!, or was it done as a slight joke/wink? Would be cool to have a screen cap of that on Save Star Wars.

Yeh, they've always swapped colours like that ever since the original. But in a few shots in the 2004 set Obi-Wan's saber actually becomes purple

R2's "socks" don't bother me. I didn't remove them in ANH:R so i won't be in this one too.

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

Mayhaps some people didn't hear what Lucas said:

"You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally," he said. "It's a very, very expensive process to do it."

So it's obvious he's willing to do a proper restoration on the OOT if he has enough money. So the OOT will come to Blu-Ray, the only question is "when"?.

 

I think from a statement like this it's almost a forgone conclusion that what we are going to bet for the Blu-Rays are exactly the same OT transfers from 2004. He really seems to never want to spend another penny on the OT.

But what really annoys me is that he has done a new transfer and restoration for TPM. This was really evident when watching the TPM clips alongside the OT clips at the "Star Wars" concert.  The colours for TPM were perfect, the transfer was clean and the edge enhancement, which plagued both the DVD and HDTV transfers seemed to have gone. And then there was digital Yoda.

So he doesn't mind the expense as long as its only for the PT i guess.

Tobar has mentioned in the ESB:R thread that he actually saw the ROTJ clip at C5.

Tobar said:

 Unfortunately, you can't tell from the youtube clips but the footage is actually kind of worn. It wasn't restored and looked quite aged.

If they had recreated the clip recently then surely it would have been restored? Vader walking down the corridor is definitely a cut shot from ROTJ as we have seen a few cut shots of that corridor plus it was seen in "Behind the Ewok". I don't think that the meditation shot was taken from an unused shot from ESB because it sure looks like the "super shiny" ROTJ helmet to me.

But also from this it looks like Lucasfilm aren't going to bother to restore the deleted scenes from the OT so god knows how bad the quality will be.

Here is Mark Hamill introducing the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKdWtBOM0J0&playnext=1&videos=no8PRIAeokM

It's definitely Mark and not a double