adywan

vaderios said:

I see you fixed the lightsaber continuity error when it was dropped too :D (i think its reversed footage isnt it?)

Yes, it was originally but not anymore

vaderios said:

When Luke flips behind vader luke's saber appears too short even in the previous frames it appears big.

No, that isn't a mistake. You can see that Luke doesn't keep his hand perfectly straight as he flips so the sabre is seen at a different angle for a few frames.

vaderios said:

There is a misrotoed saber blade originaly and yo your version.

Not all the shots in this video have been finished. There are one or maybe two that i haven't done any rotoscoping yet.

vaderios said:

Some akward movement from the original roto is still there like the animators couldnt rotospope the saber properly back them because of the smoke. It might need to smooth it?

In some parts the blue of luke's saber is over blown on vader's cape. Can you try to reduce them adding a darkening mask around vader's silhouette?

I have to stick to the original positioning of the rotoscoping or the blades become very thick so not much can be done. Replacing background for more than a frame or two is impossible because of all the movement of the smoke etc.

The blue on Vaders cape is the same as the original as i use the original foreground to mask out the newly rotoscoped lightsabers.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Radi0n said:

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, and I was hoping you guys would go easy on me, (I mean come on, 756 pages to read through?!), but what about Leia's dialogue when turning the Falcon around, back to Luke?

Will the line "I know where Luke is", be kept?
Or will Ady change it back to a second "We've got to go back!" ?

The line is also featured in the Story of the Empire Strikes Back. The quality is better, but I'm not sure if Ady could use it. 

Unfortunately unless i can completely remove the music and clean up the vocals from Movealong's The Story of ESB to match the 5.1 audio i won't be able to re-insert that line.

Don't know if anyone has seen this but i just came across this on facebook. So its definite that they filmed 3P0 & R2 outside the cave. I hope we get all this kind of stuff when the Blu-Rays come out

petzxy said:

adywan said:

In fact the "augghhhh" sounds like he's throwing up in his helmet. If i can eliminate the gurgling effect then i'll probably be returning it back to its original state as the SE effect is just a repeat from a few seconds earlier.

Adywan, If you choose the SE sound from 97, please change it a bit so it sounds more different than a repeat (maybe an echo would do the trick?)

And now to something completely different!

I think i've found out a way to fix the repeated yell problem without having to use the original gurgling version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvDEOO_h3PE

Got to love this review someone just gave ANH:R over at fanedit.org :)

damez2000 says:

I gave this edit a low rating because it was almost the same as the original. Sure, many good effects were put in such as adding extra tie fighters and making the lightsaber blue instead of a greenish tint. But, it wasnt enough to warrant a rating over 5 stars. The changes seemed to be merely touch-ups to the original.

The audio was good. The video was good. The cuts were seamless. I just dont think there was enough work put in to give more than 5 stars. A good example of a great edit would be Terminator 3: The coming storm, done by Uncanny Antman. Im a huuggge star wars fan and this didnt cut it for me. If the star rating is based on my opinion and liking of the edit, then I did what was asked of me.

I'm just going to ignore him and his "elite" crew from now on.  Of course there are going to be artefacting issues using such a low bitrate. Funny thing though, in a few of the tantive 4 corridor shots the source shots he posted actually have a bit more artefacts than mine.  I notice how he only bothered posting screenshots of ANH though, which i freely admitted had pulsing and artefact issues,which was a lot to do with the colour correction but also something was screwed on the colour corrected master and that is why i never released a 14gb mkv of that one.

I'd suffer the artefacts any day over a bloated BD-50 version with the horrible colouring of the 2004 transfer. I guess he'll have even more to say when i release the 720p version of ESB:R, but i really couldn't care less.

I noticed he had to post some comparison pics to usenet entitled "adywan epic fail". God and he calls me childish.

But i found this quite interesting on another site.:

Rapidoor posts all follow the same convention, and while password-protected, use the same password. Currently, alt.binz is able to verify the files but is unable to unrar them because the filenames do not match. However, QuickPAR and MultiPAR both have the functionality to rename the files; thus, I assume the necessary information to rename the files is included in the small PAR2 file.

In addition, if you have alt.binz set to delete PAR2 files upon successful verification, you must re-download the PAR2 in order to extract the archive, since alt.binz leaves the files misnamed, and without the PAR2 to repair them. At the very least, could you provide an option to delete PAR2s only after the archives have been extracted?

Rapidoor posts follow this pattern-

rapidoor HD home videos -password-.XXXXXXXX

The password is always: "password [tab]"

lol. After all that ranting and posting comparison pics then who's the childish one now?

And i guess he's been in here to read what i wrote so i will reply to him.

For your information i only retaliated because i received a message from someone who is a member of your little website pointing me to your nfo and that you had been slating my work and that it was a direct dig at what i do. I guess its not such an elite club after all.

I never once stated that my AVCHDs were super high quality and pointed out the problem with the low bitrate and pulsing (which is in ANH only). These were releases i did solely because people wanted colour corrected AVCHD versions. Out of respect for wookiegroomers releases i stayed away from Blu-Ray encodes. So i went for DVD-9 AVCHD, as most people don't have access to a blu-ray burner. If i was misinformed by this person and that your digs were not aimed towards myself then i apologise.

doubleofive said:

Did Ady just say what I think he said: he's going to physically make a new Han-in-Carbonite to fix the ANH shirt problem? That's crazy/awesome!

only just a section. Having the face would make the task a lot easier when replacing. I don't know how much he would charge me yet though for a cast of it so it may still be an impossibility.

brash_stryker said:

Quick question, Ady. Seeing as you're working with the HD source which is 23.97 fps, will you be applying the 4% PAL speedup to it to make it consistent with ANH:R? (which was sourced mainly from the PAL DVD, and therefore was 4% faster and 4% higher in pitch at 25 fps)

Consistency between episodes is something you seem to be striving for in these edits (e.g. the same shade of yellow in the opening crawls) It would be a real shame if the speed and pitch didn't match. Especially when it comes to the crawl music.

Apologies if this has been brought up before. I've read the entire thread but don't remember seeing anything on the subject.

The HD source is 25fps which already has had the speed-up applied. The NTSC conversion will be done exactly the same way as it was for ANH:R

vaderios said:

ady are aware of this? http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/cameratracker/

It might solve some tracking problems you have :)

 

-Angel

That plug-in would be exactly what i need if it does what it says. There is just no way i would be able to afford it as the funds dried up a long time ago

fishmanlee said:

vaderios said:

A B C said:

Not only the "ommhhh" from the special edition sounds like Vader through his mask, but in addition you really recognize James Earl Jones voice what is not the case of the old one.

I agree. The SE sounds more like vader rather a random arg from a dude. Besides the pre SE sounds like someones is spiting after he was smoking for 30 years.

If you all stacked with the pre SE arg i suggest adding a more robot effect to the voice like ady did in ANH:R? I still vote for the SE one

-Angel

 they both sound like Vader/Jones, end of story, in fact the AAAAUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH! sounds more like Vader/Jones to me

End of story? Mr arrogant strikes again

In fact the "augghhhh" sounds like he's throwing up in his helmet. If i can eliminate the gurgling effect then i'll probably be returning it back to its original state as the SE effect is just a repeat from a few seconds earlier.

Darth_Coconut said:

Plus

I don't like new version of this shot:

In new version duel is getting lost in lights of the tunnel. Old version is better in this. Background in original is more dark for good of duel visibility. I think it's not good to fix background. I'm getting lost in all that lights of new version

 

You're seeing a very early version of that matte. The background did need changing because it doesn't match the colouring of the rest of the sequence. The lightsabers are overblown and the gantry matte doesn't match the studio set. Here is the finished version of the matte. As you can see there have been a few changes:

 

A B C said:

... A work based on this shot would be awesome, and it looks really like another famous shot I have in high res from this sequence. These are for me the true colours:

 

I hate to tell you A B C but you've been thinking that these are the tru colours from a very faded/ desaturated photograph. Here is the original photograph taken from the behind the magic CDROM:

Darth_Coconut said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk0PUxkfKdc&feature=related

Aren't these scenes in blue depth because on planet is getting late? Han and Luke stay outside over the night so.....

 

I give up. Why doesn't anybody ever bother reading the information on the Youtube videos before moaning about the blue depth of the revisited video.

And i'm not even going to get involved in the whole Leia debate apart from the fact that she was a leader even in ANH. She was never just some princess and showed leadership qualities during the escape from the detention cell. She took charge. Unless i was watching a completely different movie from you?

The people who have the new workprint will be able to vouch for the blue colouring and how much darker it appears in the proper video

ImperialFighter said:

doubleofive said:

It looks great in the whole scene.

And doubleofive would know, having seen the 'workprint'.

Hmmm. You should have been one of them. I sent you out a copy of it last week.

vbangle said:

Adywan, give us an update on your health....here's hoping you are doing better and feeling good.

Well things are almost back to normal. I'm still on the tablets but the headaches have gone.

I've started back to work on ESB:R full time now. The workstation just needs the lights installing but i've got everything set back up so it's full steam ahead ( pictures/ video of the workstation coming next week). The model/ set building resumes at the weekend. I need to get some extra fur as my plans for the Wampa have changed slightly and i need to make a little extra than i was going to originally. I'd also totally forgot about the large slug mouth set i need to build so i've got to get extra materials to get this thing done. I've also been given a lead on getting a casting from the original mould of Harrison's face used for the carbon block so i can build the section of the block to replace the incorrect shirt. Main problem is that the funds dried up a while ago and i'm in desperate need of help with this. I'm just so eager to get stuck back into this after everything that has happened.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Well, there are a few visual differences. Like Ben's Hut, the Death Star reveal, and the TIE attack at Yavin. For these, you'd need the Purist video as well.

The Purist was made from the ANH:R master so the visuals are all the same but edited differently. For Ben's hut you may need to use my EPIV AVCHD for a couple of shots that were trimmed or the purist (the quality difference for that 1 scene wouldn't be noticable at all). You would be able to make a DVD-9 Purist from the DVD-9 of ANH:R

Although there have been some interesting ideas i will be sticking with a hologram of Vader.

The TPM HD broadcasts are definitely not SD upscaled. Even though the quality isn't great it is still miles above the quality if the DVD. They have done a new transfer of TPM though which was seen at the "Star Wars concert" with the new CG Yoda and it looks beautiful and without the pink tint colouring problems.

there is a 1 frame glitch on ESB during the title crawl but it's only small. I don't know what caused it because it isn't on the master but that is the only glitch & the fox fanfare isn't cut off at all.

JediTray said:

Thanks for the info, but unfortunately BeSweet and eac3to won't work on my Win7 64 bit system.

Now what?

i'm using win7 64bit and Besweet & eac3to work fine

skyjedi2005 said:

Who cares about the blu ray since it will not have either theatrical versions, the 1977, or 1997 .

It will be total crap.  The new mix being created will suck too since Ben burtt does no longer work for Luca$film. Matthew wood is doing the mix, it will be garbage.

But wasn't it Ben Burtt that did the 2004 mix and look how good that turned out. Ben Burtt was just the sound FX guy and should have stuck to that. When he got his hands on the mix he dialled down the music so low it was inaudible in some sections and the sound effects just drowned everything out

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

Issues I’ve heard that dts on bluray has issues with something called “bit bomb”? where the sound goes and raw digital sound suddenly bursts out the loudspeakers to wake the dead! No thanks I don’t fancy coming over a dodgy dts bluray.

 

 

Better check your facts again. This is a problems some people are having with BOTH DTSHD & DOLBYHD. It's a player/ receiver problem and nothing to do with the audio track. Not 1 of the DTS tracks i have watched has suffered with this problem even ones that people have reported the split second crap out on their players.

Jonno said:

adywan said:

DTS was sued for their releases.

Probably by Jedi Temple34.

ha ha. that will teach me to write things when i'm knackered.

Like is  said in my facebook group which you hijacked (funnily enough most of the stuff you wrote here you just copied and pasted from there) it wouldn't matter one bit if they used DTS or DOLBY for the blu-ray releases because its probably going to be the special editions anyway and DTS was sued for their releases. Plus they won't even be the same mixes as the theatrical se versions anyway so whichever company they use for the audio doesn't really matter. As has been said, there isn't that much difference between DolbyHD & DTSHD-MA anyway due to less compression on the Dolby tracks compared to their DVD counterparts.

You accused me of being a DTS lover (which you still have in your first post which you copied and pasted from the ESB:R facebook group) because i defended the quality of some DTS tracks compared to Dolby digital on DVD. Nowhere did i say i'm a DTS lover. In fact i did say that sometimes dolby tracks have better mixes and other have better DTS mixes. I don't care what company is used as long as it is a good mix. most DTS DVD tracks i have listened to have a better dynamic range and clarity over the Dolby mix but they would never be a fair comparison unless it is guaranteed that the same master audio was used for the releases. Many times the dolby & DTS tracks have slightly different mixes.

The dolby digital track on the SE laserdiscs wins hands down over the abomination of the dolby DVD mixes.

There is good and bad from both camps but you seem to think that we should blindly agree with you that Dolby is better. Sorry but that is just an opinion and i have my own. I guess you'll just accuse me of being a DTS lover again but i personally don't care.

What i would want from the Blu-Ray release is the original theatrical versions with their original theatrical mixes, although Empire may be a little tricky because a few shots were added to the 35mm version and maybe a new 5.1 mix and it wouldn't matter which house does the audio, whether it be Dolby or DTS, as long as it was the best possible representation of the audio. But like it has been said it really doesn't matter now with Blu-Ray.

Lucasfilm seems to have stuck with Dolby as they never released Star Wars with the SE DTS mix and even their Indy4 Blu-Ray had Dolby HD so why do you think that they are going to go with DTS? There have been no rumours about the audio mix changing to DTS so why get so wound up about it?

There would have to be a special features disc with good content like deleted scenes for each movie of the OT, not just one bonus disc for all three while the PT get a bonus disc each, and the theatrical versions restored for me to fork out the price for the set.

You could use the lagarith codec to produce a lossless avi and the file size would be about 200gb, but if powerdirector won't let you export HD avi then i guess that rules that out.

I would suggest that you can now probably rule out MultiAVCHD as the cause of your problems as this is a completely different problem. Your problem is lying with powerdirector. It's somehow screwing up its encoding. Just because you paid for it don't stay with a piece of software that is causing so many problems. Especially if it will only output NTSC @ 29.97fps. That software is so limited. Even at such a high bitrate powerdirectors mpeg encoding is very soft and not very good. If you are going to work with HD files then you really do need a lot more space.

I'm surprised at just how many people say they hate Vegas, but when they bother to learn how it works they realise just how good it is and the power that this piece of software has. And the output results are far superior than software like powerdirector.

Have you checked the encoded video in a different player to see if the artefacts are still there?

I just noticed you mentioned it took 2 days to encode the video? What specs are your machine because this does seem a very long time if you are using turbo. A 2 hour movie would usually only take me between 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 hours to encode depending on what setting i'm using

Did you check the properties in MultiAVCHD first before you started the encode?

MultiAVCHD will NOT output an interlaced file unless it is reporting the source as interlaced. There are no settings within MultiAVCHD to change a progressive source into an interlaced video unless you manually altered the detected settings.

You say you are 100% sure that you fed MultiAVCHD a progressive source. Well have you rechecked to see what MultiAVCHD reports the video as in the step i mentioned above? Because if it is reporting it as 1080p and not 1080i it is impossible for it to output an interlaced file.

Probably best to double check because your problem isn't down to MultiAVCHD. Replying with a cocky remark about "you're not that dumb" when someone is trying to help you really isn't the way to go especially when you haven't bothered to double check your source file in MultiAVCHD first. Sometimes it's easy to miss something and rechecking can rule out a source file problem.

Harmy said:

Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit!!!!!!!

Exuse my language but I'm really pissed off. I just finished encoding (took about 2 days) and uploading (about 3 days) STAR WARS v2.0 just to play it again on my TV and notice a strange flicker at the edges of the picture and find out that for some reason multiAVCHD encoded INTERLACED!!! So I'll have to start over (just encoding and uploading) so it won't be available for like another five days!!! Also if someone could advice me on how to prevent multiAVCHD 4.1 from encoding interlaced again I would really appreciate it.

Are you sure that you haven't outputted your edited video file as NTSC interlaced? A lot of editing programs won't let you output a progressive NTSC output only interlaced and MultiAVCHD will detect the source as interlaced.

When you load up your file in MultiAVCHD click on the video and select "properties" in the first window. Now have a look at what MultiAVCHD is reporting for the video in the pop up window. it should say 23.976fps 1920x1080p. If it is reporting as 1080i then it will encode it as interlaced even if you think your output should be progressive. If this is the case then just click on "alter detected properties" and change the flag to "progressive". But i must warn you that if you have indeed outputted your video as interlaced that changing the flag could cause some undesired results so you will have to create a new source video for MultiAVCHD

But encoding it as interlaced shouldn't cause a flicker at the edges of the screen so you may have a different problem. If i were you i would scrap powerdirector as its  piece of crap and use a better editing program

Darth Raider

Got to love this :)