adywan

ahhhh, do you think we hurt his feelings?

Bravo Zulu said:

Thanks for restoring the engine sound to the crashing speeder before Veers vaporizes the Shield Generator. The silence in the Special Editions really bugged me.

In ESB:R, will there be any change to the ascent of the Millenium Falcon as it leaves Hoth? (Right after the shot of it passing by Luke)

It just seems to rise at a boring, steady angle in the Lucasfilm footage. Not like when it races out of the hangar tunnel and the zips behind Luke. Not suggesting a barrel roll or anything like that, but would like to see something more exciting or at least accelerating.

Will we see more activity with transports and escorts (maybe two transports at a time?) that take off when Wedge says "Good luck, Luke. See you at the rendezvous!"

You can't accelerate the Falcon in this scene. The camera is following its motion. Speed it up and it would disappear of screen before the camera can catch up. Not ever shot has to be exciting with a ship doing exciting things.

There will be more activity in the transport scenes

kenkraly2007 said:

No I don't complan ok. 

No,  you just keep on telling us to stop complaining.

It's people like you that is everything that is wrong with todays society. You just lie down and let the shit get shoved up your ass. People use to stand up for what they believed in. Now, when they do, you get some muppet telling them to just accept it. But why should we accept the fact that the films we grew up with and are so passionate about are just brushed aside for an inferior product. These versions are the ones that existed for 20 years before the special editions. We don't even get the Special editions that were in the theatres. Instead we get movies that are tampered with even more.

And for all those that say that the Special editions are Georges true original visions of these movies then you really need to stop being a sheep and learn to think for yourself once in a while instead of believing the revisionist bullshit. The Special editions were nothing more than a test for the prequels. It was a test to see if the technology was up to the task and also if people were still passionate enough for Star Wars that they could release a new film at the cinemas. And do you really still think that the new versions of the Special Editions are what George originally intended for thse movies back when he was making them? Oh come on. Get a fucking brain. How the hell could he have originally wanted Hayden Christensen to be Anakins force ghost at the end of Jedi? Did the bloody doctor visit George and take him off in his TARDIS so he could see what Anakin would have looked like in the future? NO. And was it his vision to have Greedo shoot first? NO. That one had nothing to do with the limits of technology back then. He changed Solos character by changing this scene. If he originally intended it to be this way then he would have originally edited it this way.

All this time George has told the fans that the Unaltered trilogy can never be released in a higher quality then the laserdisc transfers we got for the 2006 Bonus DVDs because they don't exist any more because the original negatives were cut up to create the Special Editions and that any existing prints are in such a bad condition that they couldn't be used. . Now the story has changed to the fact that it would be to expensive. So it now can be done but is cost prohibitive, even when people have offered to restore these films for him for next to nothing.

I can see in a few years time that this is just another lie to get people to buy these Blu-Rays instead of waiting for the next set which would contain the unaltered trilogy remastered. It's all about sales. George has become the thing he hated most about the film industry.

I'm going to be buying the Blu-Rays purely so i can have the highest quality video to work with for my edits, nothing more. If i wasn't doing these edits then i wouldn't buy the set, especially when i would be forced to buy a box set with the crappy prequels, which i wouldn't want.

If you are happy with the versions with the crappy colouring and rubbish additions then that's up to you. But don't even think about coming in here, again,  and telling people that they should "Stop Complaining" because these sets aren't going to contain a restored version of the untouched original trilogy.

If you look at the first and third pictures you can see that the helmet has moved upwards in the third, thus taking the goggles with it. It's just a case of Luke's helmet being pushed up slightly when he has turned around and then he adjusts it off screen. No need for a fix here.

And R2's head panel doesn't really need fixing either. Not only it it almost impossible to fix in the 2 shots because there is so much 3d spacial movement, but he has just been thrust through the air and had a pretty bad landing so it could easily have been disjointed

I don't know why anyone still uses a ps2 to watch DVDs on. It's got to be one of the worse DVD players ever (along with the old XBOX). I watched 1 movie on my old one and the picture quality was so bad and it struggled to play the retail DVD. I couldn't believe that my £20 DVD player was so far superior to the PS2

Krakatoa said:

Well Ady, I WAS pissed that youre gonna hack up Jedi, but with that story Id say you earned it.

Hack up Jedi? I never said that at all. I haven't even begun the planning stages yet. All i've said is that there will be a new opening and ending and a bigger battle at the end. Not sure how that is hacking it up

The soundtrack will have more depth to it than the 2004 mix especially during the battle. I want it to feel like you're actually in the middle of the battle when listening on a home cinema system. The 2004 & SE mix both fail to do that. And i do want to reinstate the "plane" sound when the speeder crashes

You can use Riverpast Video Cleaner pro to convert the .h264 to a lossless avi. I would recommend using Lagarith codec as this works without flaws in Vegas. For the audio use eac3to to convert the DTS to AC3 the use besweet to convert the AC3 to 6 separate wav files to import into Vegas

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LexX said:

adywan said:

I highly doubt that this was for the ROTJ deleted scene as there have been pictures of the outside of the cave filming with 3P0 & R2 from way back.

I was just kidding.

I know. I was commenting on the thread title

Not sure how you get from the cut scene to this title, if I had wanted this topic to reference the cut scene I would have put it in the cut scene thread.

Well with all the conspiracy theories about the deleted scene being fake and that it was filmed recently i thought i'd jump in before the theories about Anthony filming these new scenes started because he's recently put on the costume, as your title states. And it does say guess away.

Ripplin said:

Did you buy the DVD-less budget version? (which is still way too much for me anytime soon)

I got it from Forbidden Planet here in the UK for £30 new without the DVD. I'd love to know exactly what is on the DVD.

LexX said:

adywan said:

I highly doubt that this was for the ROTJ deleted scene as there have been pictures of the outside of the cave filming with 3P0 & R2 from way back.

I was just kidding.

I know. I was commenting on the thread title

It's actually a problem with the main element of the shot. I just can't find the exact cloud shot i need and the ones i tried cloud city looks like a cartoon. I've got the first 3 artbeats cloud fly-thru dvds but i just can't find the exact shot. It's more do do with me being a perfectionist really. I did find 1 perfect one but the sun was in the completely wrong direction :(

I'm going to put it to one side for the moment and concentrate on other things

I purchased the sculpting the galaxy book but i never got a DVD with mine :(

Thanks guys

Having a pretty stressful day today. I've almost completed the whole of the opening sequence of the bespin approach and i have 1 shot left to do. but it's not working. All the other shots look great, but the new first glance at cloud city i just can't get it to look right. If this doesn't work i will have to scrap everything bi have done for the new approach sequence and revert it back to the original.  Gutted.

Ripplin & Brash_Stryker. you both have PM's

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BmB said:

And no, I didn't consider that I might be wrong. Because I can't be. There's nothing up to interpretation in the scene, it's fairly clear cut and fits well within the extremely loosely defined space physics of Star Wars. You just keep telling me I'm wrong even when I told you how I think I'm not and you are, instead of defending your position with counter examples. I'm looking for one of two outcomes here; either you come to see the error of your ways, or you show me how your version makes sense and adds to the movie. Neither is happening right now because you are being extremely defensive.

But i have defended my reasoning and i have given you clear explanations as to why i changed this. I did this from the beginning. My reasoning's were clear . But you have stated in your first section above that you won't even consider you are wrong, because you can't be so why should i even bother any more to explain things to you?. And i'm bound to be defensive when someone says the kind of stuff you say. "see the error of your ways" . you really do have such a superiority complex.

The scene is done. It's finished, It's in the movie. End of.

brash_stryker said:

^ Well said.

So Ady, I'm curious to hear about what you think about my point regarding the electrical effect on the Ion blast. I think keeping it in is ruining the integrity of the movie, and you should listen to what I have to say, as my interpretation is gospel and not up for debate. No one reply unless you agree with me!

lol. I got the idea fro the electrical effect from the walker lasers that appear in some parts of the battle. I wanted the Ion laser to look a little different from regular lasers and with it being an electrical type weapon in my version it was a decision to make it look more "electrical"

BmB said:

And your result is emotionally out of tune with the rest of the battle. As I said before, it's about small but shining victories in the middle of overwhelming defeat, not about frustration.

I'm sorry, but your interpretation is very flawed. I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but it's hard not to when everyone explodes in my face for expressing my opinion.

EDIT:

In fact, the whole movie is like that. Nowhere is there any frustration or half victories in the whole movie. Either the empire is totally owning our heroes, or they're having one of their small but shining victories. But every time they do, save the very end, the empire is always right back on their tail.

I'm sorry but if all you are going to do is try and put me down I'd prefer if you didn't post. I'm trying to have a debate on this, and you're contributing nothing.

Don't make it so hard and be a little more accepting of conflicting views will you? Not to try and be offensive or anything, but most of you are just patting ady on the back, ady is left to defend his point of view on his own and a few others are vaguely chipping in on the controversy apparently in fear of the mindless pat-on-back horde jumping to the defense of anything that isn't flat out praise.

I like what he's doing, most of it is a massive improvement from what I've seen so far.

But some things are just going overboard, ultimately the mass of small (but impressive) fixes are outweighed by messing with the integrity of the film for no other reason than to be different. Or worse, as I have come to suspect now, simply misinterpreting the intent. So far this is the only such point of contention I have noticed, which is a damn shame.

You see , this is it. It is just YOUR interpretation. But you are coming across that your interpretation is gospel.  My interpretation of the scene is not "very flawed" as you put it, at all. And that statement and ones like it is why you are coming across as plain arrogant. Everyone else has their own interpretations of certain scenes and events, but they don't start spouting crap like i am ruining the whole movie.  And no one "exploded in you face" as you put it. You started saying things like how "incredibly fake" the scene looks just because you didn't want any changes to that scene. At that point all someone had asked was what scene you were talking about in your first post. And now you're saying that i'm "messing with the integrity of the movie of the film for no other reason than to be different". I clearly spelled out my reasoning for the new additions and provided a logical reason as to why it was added so why come out with crap like that?

Nowhere am i messing with the integrity of the movie. You see it as one way and i see it as another.  But please get off your high horse that you are the only one that is right about that scene. And to tell people not to post because they disagree with you? WTF? And you aren't trying to have a debate at all. All you are doing is saying you're right and i'm wrong, nothing more. Funnily this scene was released over a year ago and yet it comes up now.

Have you actually stopped to think that maybe it is you're interpretation of the scene that is very flawed? When more people are interpreting the scene the way i have, not just here but on other sites too, then maybe you have got it wrong.

And that is the last i'm going to say on this subject. It was finished and added to the movie over a year ago and I have better things to do than continue a pointless argument and obviously this isn't going to be the edit for you so maybe you should just drop it now.

A B C, i think it was more of the manor in which he put his point of view across rather than what he said that got everyone riled up. I will always put my point of view across and my reasoning why i have done something in my edit and welcome constructive criticism. If someone doesn't like it then that is up to them and they don't have to watch my edits. It really doesn't bother me. But there are ways of putting your point of view across without being plain rude

This guy is so full of shit its funny but pretty scary at the same time as he is being serious.

A few years ago i got in an argument with this guy over the crap he puts on his site. It all started off when i contacted him saying that i thought his site was really funny and was a great spoof star wars site like the onion is to news. My god did he fire at me with both barrels. He kept spouting off that he was a Lucasfilm insider and how he influenced George on the prequels. He's just insane. So i decided to have a little fun with him. A few months later, as i was almost finished with ANH:R i contacted him again saying that i was an ILM employee that was working on the new top secret Special edition version of ANH and that i could provide him with proof as i have secretly managed to copy some of the digital footage that will be inserted into the movie and could let him see the workprint version of the movie that would be getting a new theatrical release a year later. He said i was a liar until i sent him some footage. It was the new TIE fighter entrance in the battle of Yavin. I put a lucasfilm logo in the corner and a time code and some fake official looking coding. He wanted all the info about this new version. \but i replied to him saying that i had been reading more of his site and i didn't realise how close he was to George Lucas and that i couldn't afford to lose my job. He then replied saying that he would never reveal his sources and that he has never even met George Lucas and that he only says that to give some official clout to his articles. i left it at that but got emails off him almost every day so i had to block his email address. He even offered to trade me for a copy of the episode 7 rought draft script personally penned by GL. what a joke.

Got him big time.

yeh, it's the ps2 but it could also be the media or speed it was burned at. The ps2 was a pile of crap for playing DVD's. It has a really crappy laser that had hard time reading some burned media and would eventually burn itself out. Some older cheaper DVD players also had the cheap lasers and had the same problem. But also it could be the decoder chips installed and the AC3 track.But i also had problems with a new ps2 playing official DVD's

Was it the NTSC version you were having problems with? Best thing is to try it in an ordinary DVD player

BmB said:

adywan said:

It goes from the most enjoyable scene to the most pointless scene of the movie just like that.

Most pointless scene? Talk about over exaggeration. This whole scene never sat well with me since 1980. It seemed pretty pointless and unrealistic. The Empire have just turned up and started a blockade around the planet. They are preparing to kick the rebels asses. So what do they do? They see the first transport and 2 x-wings heading towards them, with no other stardestroyers in sight, and just sits there and waits until it flies straight at it. Oh wait, what if it suddenly turned away from the stardestroyer? oh well, that one slipped by. Oh come on. If they are their to wipe the rebels out, which they planned to do with aerial bombardments, they certainly wouldn't have just sat there. They would have tried to destroy the transport and it's escorts. Vader knew Luke wouldn't be on one of those transports so they would have been just cannon fodder.

As it stood originally it just looked like an easy escape. There was no sense of danger apart from one stationary stardestroyer that was doing sod all. It wasn't a surprising victory at all. I never felt that the transport was in any danger of being captured or destroyed. I always wondered why they just sat there and so did a lot of other people.

They never change course, they never "just sit there". The reason they aren't firing is because the ships are out of range obviously. They don't do anything when the transport flies past because they are busy being disabled by the ion cannon. It's an easy escape yes, but only because the empire completely underestimated the power of the ion cannon, which it what makes it so enjoyable. Why should it be a hard gritty trudge to escape when you have such a powerful weapon to back you up? That would just be frustrating to watch.

As it stands it has an emotional place in the battle. With your changes it means nothing and is completely pointless.

I didn't say that they changed course i said that they could have, there's a big difference. Who says they underestimated the power of the ion canon? nowhere in that scene does it imply that fact. That is just your interpretation same as my explanation is mine. And i'm sorry but the stardestroyer is just sitting there.And not once did i say that they just sit there when the transport flies past

Why should it be a hard gritty trudge to escape when you have such a powerful weapon to back you up? That would just be frustrating to watch.

As it stands it has an emotional place in the battle. With your changes it means nothing and is completely pointless.

Bit of a contradiction there. You say that originally it has an emotional place in the battle but my changes mean nothing and are pointless in your last line but previously say that it would be frustrating to watch if it was a "gritty trudge" to escape. Well isn't frustration an emotion? and it is a battle after all.

So you're logic is that it shouldn't be a difficult escape because the Rebels have such a powerful weapon to back them up and that the transport should escape as easily as it does originally? So why even bother to provide 2 X-wings as escorts if it should be so easy? And why later on in the battle is Rieekan so worried that they can't protect 2 transports at a time? they got away so easily the first time and surely the ion cannon can just blast any stardestroyer in their path.

I don't just add these things because they might look cool you know. Everything i do is carefully planned out. And things i have added that later on i don't think works, no matter how much time i may have worked on a shot or how good i think it may look, it will get removed. For instance adding the TIE's firing at the falcon firing the Asteroid scene. I really liked it and so did a lot of other people but it just didn't work as there was too much going on in that scene  with them added. Without them it showed just how dangerous the flight through the asteroid field was as the TIE pilots couldn't concentrate on both avoiding smashing into the asteroids and targeting and firing at the falcon at the same time. So that didn't work and it was omitted. But this isn't one of those scenes. And it isn't an animated explosion either as i would never use a CG animated explosion, only real ones as were used in the original versions

The X-wing doesn't stop dead in its tracks then explodes at all. And the only time we ever see ships explode any differently is when the camera is moving with the ship, which in this instance the camera is static. When ships get destroyed in the OT the explosion is static at the point where it is destroyed. Only in the trench run when we see the Xwings & Y-wings from a side view do we see them break up and continue on as they explode because again the camera is moving. Just look at the ships that are destroyed in the OT in the space battles and the majority of them the explosion will be present at the exact spot the ship was hit.

It goes from the most enjoyable scene to the most pointless scene of the movie just like that.

Most pointless scene? Talk about over exaggeration. This whole scene never sat well with me since 1980. It seemed pretty pointless and unrealistic. The Empire have just turned up and started a blockade around the planet. They are preparing to kick the rebels asses. So what do they do? They see the first transport and 2 x-wings heading towards them, with no other stardestroyers in sight, and just sits there and waits until it flies straight at it. Oh wait, what if it suddenly turned away from the stardestroyer? oh well, that one slipped by. Oh come on. If they are their to wipe the rebels out, which they planned to do with aerial bombardments, they certainly wouldn't have just sat there. They would have tried to destroy the transport and it's escorts. Vader knew Luke wouldn't be on one of those transports so they would have been just cannon fodder.

As it stood originally it just looked like an easy escape. There was no sense of danger apart from one stationary stardestroyer that was doing sod all. It wasn't a surprising victory at all. I never felt that the transport was in any danger of being captured or destroyed. I always wondered why they just sat there and so did a lot of other people.

BmB said:

 Apart from looking incredibly fake in the trailer, having one x-wing shot down like that complete destroys that moment of victory.

Incredibly fake? In what way does it look "Incredibly" fake? And having one X-Wing shot down doesn't change anything. The victory is still there. The Stardestroyer is disabled and the transport escapes.