New pic time.
There's still a lot more to do with this shot yet but here's how it's coming along (right click>view image to see it a little larger)
Well i wasn't one of the Brits in 1983 that raved about Jedi and nor did any of my friends. We were all around 16 at the time & all agreed that it was nowhere near as good as ESB & ANH and that it just seemed like a re-hash of ANH. I couldn't believe how bad it was. It looked so cheap (apart from the FX) and the film was so predictable as i had already seen the end climax in ANH. It looked like the Actors had become bored of the movie.
Another thing was the Ewoks. We all hated them. They were just there to sell toys and for the "cute" factor. Even non Star Wars fans who liked the first 2 but thought the Ewoks were stupid. Bloody teddy bears taking on the Empire and beating them?
Jabbas palace another re-hash from ANH's cantina sequence. And the creatures just weren't as memorable. Pig Guards? Had they run out of ideas? This movie had a bigger budget than ANH and better technology but they all just looked like muppets. We all agreed that Jabba was brilliant though
Jedi could have been so much more, but it was a real let down. And is even worse now with the SE version.
Easterhay said:
That doesn't mean a thing. Lucas is a multi-billionaire (soon to be "merely" a billionaire); is he known for a "Hollywood lifestyle"? No.
Maybe Prowse doesn't hang out in Hollywood simply because he's quite a curmudgeon and doesn't get on with people?
And yes, bingowings, "really". What, he turns up at conventions to sign photos of himself as The Green Cross Code Man? He's known as the man who played Darth Vader. And he exploits that to the very end. That's his perogative. But to publicly diss Lucas and then be so vocal with his negativity, he shouldn't really be surprised to have such a public snubbing from Lucas.
Anyway, what's the money that Lucas owes him?
Well actually when i first met Dave Prowse was when he was doing the Green Cross code promotional tour early 80s. He was the one of the most genuine and nicest person i had ever met. He was dressed as the green cross code man and signing autographs (free). My Dad started talking to him mentioning how much of a huge star wars fan i was. Dave said that he was just about to go for his break and would we like to come back to his trailer and he will sign a Darth Vader picture for me (again for free). Now this was his own time when he was on a break. He chatted to us for ages, posed for photos and signed autographs for me and my brother. He was just about to start work on ROTJ and i asked him what it was going to be about and he said that he couldn't tell me anything. But he invited my whole family down to London for the day and treat us all to a meal and he will see if we could meet the cast. He gave us both his home address and his gym address so we could contact him. Now there was no ego with this guy at all. Unfortunately George Lucas put a stop to it, even though we wouldn't have been near the sets. He didn't give any reason apart from the security that surrounded the film. He couldn't apologise enough, but i completely understood that it was beyond his control. We conversed for the next couple of years but not once did he say anything bad against George Lucas. I saw the piece in the paper about the leaked information and asked him about it. Now his name was cleared but he did say that he wasn't enjoying the filming but said no more. He asked me to send my autograph book and that he would get the casts autographs at the premier as he wouldn't see them until then.
But he then wasn't invited to the Premier.
I really think that Jedi was the turning of GL. He has snubbed DP ever since and the reason he was banned from C5 was because GL himself was going to be there.Even though the reporter gave the true identity of the leak he just didn't back down and treated DP like crap.
Everytime i have met him since he has been the same person, even when he was so ill he couldn't walk, but came to the event because he didn't want to let the fans down.
Now he had always signed his Vader pics as "Dave Prowse is Darth Vader", the same as other actors did around that time , including non star wars. It seems this way of signing an autograph has been twisted to make it mean something it is not. Now if he had signed the pics as " Dave Prowse IS Darth Vader" then that would be different.
Now Anthony Daniels on the other hand is the most egotistical and arrogant ass i have ever met. He was at Memorabilia a few years ago and we went with my daughters young sister, who was about 8 at the time. She was memorised that she was seeing C-3P0 and she took her camera along with her. Now i had met him a couple of years before and queued for a couple of hours to get his autograph and i asked him if i could get a picture taken with him and he agreed. Now the person that was taking the picture forgot to put the flash on and it didn't take (this was one of his PAs by the way) I said the flash didn't go off and can she take another one, but AD just said "oh that'll do. If you want another picture you'll have to buy another autograph". I couldn't belive it.
Now going back to the next time he was there, we couldn't afford an autograph but i got her to a good spot where she could take a picture of him that the queue didn't block sight of him. He looked over and spotted her trying to take a picture, he turned his back and signalled over to one of his PAs but continued to have his back turned to us. Next thing we know the PA came over and put her hand in front of the camera and said that he won't have any pictures taken of him unless we buy an autograph. Well screw that. She was so upset. That's no way to treat a little kid. But here's a guy that was talking to one of the fans about episode 2 and really slagging off GL because he had got strapped into a puppet harness for days to film "naked" 3P0 only to have the scenes cut from the film and have to re-film it in the grey costume.
Even when DP was asked about the snubbing by GL in "Bring Back Star Wars" he was very gracious about it and not once slagged off GL
I think it's a case of if GL falls out with you he holds a grudge for life.
petzxy said:
I'm glad that most work is done with ESB-R. Here are though some questions/suggestions:
1. Is it possible to have the sky still while the tauntaun is attacked by the Wampa? Now the camera is moving up to make it look like the tauntaun is falling.
That's exactly how it's always been since 1980. I have done nothing to camera movements.
And 005 has answered the others :)
Remember something you said when you first started telling us to stop moaning ?
kenkraly2007 said on September 24th 2008 :
Allright I am sorry if made people mad on this forum. Please forgive me. I won't make such posts like that again.
Guess you've got a short memory as well. I'm sorry i called you a sheep. I should have called you a Goldfish.
kenkraly2007 said:
Yes you did and it's not right. I don't mind people having different opinions on the oot vs the se's but show some respect to other people and don't be mean.
What, like the same respect you showed us because we refuse to accept the SE as the "True and only" versions of the original trilogy?
And i thought you were going? I'm pretty sure your Mother is calling you.....
ahhhh, do you think we hurt his feelings?
Bravo Zulu said:
Thanks for restoring the engine sound to the crashing speeder before Veers vaporizes the Shield Generator. The silence in the Special Editions really bugged me.
In ESB:R, will there be any change to the ascent of the Millenium Falcon as it leaves Hoth? (Right after the shot of it passing by Luke)
It just seems to rise at a boring, steady angle in the Lucasfilm footage. Not like when it races out of the hangar tunnel and the zips behind Luke. Not suggesting a barrel roll or anything like that, but would like to see something more exciting or at least accelerating.
Will we see more activity with transports and escorts (maybe two transports at a time?) that take off when Wedge says "Good luck, Luke. See you at the rendezvous!"
You can't accelerate the Falcon in this scene. The camera is following its motion. Speed it up and it would disappear of screen before the camera can catch up. Not ever shot has to be exciting with a ship doing exciting things.
There will be more activity in the transport scenes
kenkraly2007 said:
No I don't complan ok.
No, you just keep on telling us to stop complaining.
It's people like you that is everything that is wrong with todays society. You just lie down and let the shit get shoved up your ass. People use to stand up for what they believed in. Now, when they do, you get some muppet telling them to just accept it. But why should we accept the fact that the films we grew up with and are so passionate about are just brushed aside for an inferior product. These versions are the ones that existed for 20 years before the special editions. We don't even get the Special editions that were in the theatres. Instead we get movies that are tampered with even more.
And for all those that say that the Special editions are Georges true original visions of these movies then you really need to stop being a sheep and learn to think for yourself once in a while instead of believing the revisionist bullshit. The Special editions were nothing more than a test for the prequels. It was a test to see if the technology was up to the task and also if people were still passionate enough for Star Wars that they could release a new film at the cinemas. And do you really still think that the new versions of the Special Editions are what George originally intended for thse movies back when he was making them? Oh come on. Get a fucking brain. How the hell could he have originally wanted Hayden Christensen to be Anakins force ghost at the end of Jedi? Did the bloody doctor visit George and take him off in his TARDIS so he could see what Anakin would have looked like in the future? NO. And was it his vision to have Greedo shoot first? NO. That one had nothing to do with the limits of technology back then. He changed Solos character by changing this scene. If he originally intended it to be this way then he would have originally edited it this way.
All this time George has told the fans that the Unaltered trilogy can never be released in a higher quality then the laserdisc transfers we got for the 2006 Bonus DVDs because they don't exist any more because the original negatives were cut up to create the Special Editions and that any existing prints are in such a bad condition that they couldn't be used. . Now the story has changed to the fact that it would be to expensive. So it now can be done but is cost prohibitive, even when people have offered to restore these films for him for next to nothing.
I can see in a few years time that this is just another lie to get people to buy these Blu-Rays instead of waiting for the next set which would contain the unaltered trilogy remastered. It's all about sales. George has become the thing he hated most about the film industry.
I'm going to be buying the Blu-Rays purely so i can have the highest quality video to work with for my edits, nothing more. If i wasn't doing these edits then i wouldn't buy the set, especially when i would be forced to buy a box set with the crappy prequels, which i wouldn't want.
If you are happy with the versions with the crappy colouring and rubbish additions then that's up to you. But don't even think about coming in here, again, and telling people that they should "Stop Complaining" because these sets aren't going to contain a restored version of the untouched original trilogy.
If you look at the first and third pictures you can see that the helmet has moved upwards in the third, thus taking the goggles with it. It's just a case of Luke's helmet being pushed up slightly when he has turned around and then he adjusts it off screen. No need for a fix here.
And R2's head panel doesn't really need fixing either. Not only it it almost impossible to fix in the 2 shots because there is so much 3d spacial movement, but he has just been thrust through the air and had a pretty bad landing so it could easily have been disjointed
I don't know why anyone still uses a ps2 to watch DVDs on. It's got to be one of the worse DVD players ever (along with the old XBOX). I watched 1 movie on my old one and the picture quality was so bad and it struggled to play the retail DVD. I couldn't believe that my £20 DVD player was so far superior to the PS2
Krakatoa said:
Well Ady, I WAS pissed that youre gonna hack up Jedi, but with that story Id say you earned it.
Hack up Jedi? I never said that at all. I haven't even begun the planning stages yet. All i've said is that there will be a new opening and ending and a bigger battle at the end. Not sure how that is hacking it up
The soundtrack will have more depth to it than the 2004 mix especially during the battle. I want it to feel like you're actually in the middle of the battle when listening on a home cinema system. The 2004 & SE mix both fail to do that. And i do want to reinstate the "plane" sound when the speeder crashes
You can use Riverpast Video Cleaner pro to convert the .h264 to a lossless avi. I would recommend using Lagarith codec as this works without flaws in Vegas. For the audio use eac3to to convert the DTS to AC3 the use besweet to convert the AC3 to 6 separate wav files to import into Vegas
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LexX said:
adywan said:
I highly doubt that this was for the ROTJ deleted scene as there have been pictures of the outside of the cave filming with 3P0 & R2 from way back.
I was just kidding.
I know. I was commenting on the thread title
Not sure how you get from the cut scene to this title, if I had wanted this topic to reference the cut scene I would have put it in the cut scene thread.
Well with all the conspiracy theories about the deleted scene being fake and that it was filmed recently i thought i'd jump in before the theories about Anthony filming these new scenes started because he's recently put on the costume, as your title states. And it does say guess away.
Ripplin said:
Did you buy the DVD-less budget version? (which is still way too much for me anytime soon)
I got it from Forbidden Planet here in the UK for £30 new without the DVD. I'd love to know exactly what is on the DVD.
LexX said:
adywan said:
I highly doubt that this was for the ROTJ deleted scene as there have been pictures of the outside of the cave filming with 3P0 & R2 from way back.
I was just kidding.
I know. I was commenting on the thread title
It's actually a problem with the main element of the shot. I just can't find the exact cloud shot i need and the ones i tried cloud city looks like a cartoon. I've got the first 3 artbeats cloud fly-thru dvds but i just can't find the exact shot. It's more do do with me being a perfectionist really. I did find 1 perfect one but the sun was in the completely wrong direction :(
I'm going to put it to one side for the moment and concentrate on other things
I purchased the sculpting the galaxy book but i never got a DVD with mine :(
Thanks guys
Having a pretty stressful day today. I've almost completed the whole of the opening sequence of the bespin approach and i have 1 shot left to do. but it's not working. All the other shots look great, but the new first glance at cloud city i just can't get it to look right. If this doesn't work i will have to scrap everything bi have done for the new approach sequence and revert it back to the original. Gutted.
Ripplin & Brash_Stryker. you both have PM's
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BmB said:
And no, I didn't consider that I might be wrong. Because I can't be. There's nothing up to interpretation in the scene, it's fairly clear cut and fits well within the extremely loosely defined space physics of Star Wars. You just keep telling me I'm wrong even when I told you how I think I'm not and you are, instead of defending your position with counter examples. I'm looking for one of two outcomes here; either you come to see the error of your ways, or you show me how your version makes sense and adds to the movie. Neither is happening right now because you are being extremely defensive.
But i have defended my reasoning and i have given you clear explanations as to why i changed this. I did this from the beginning. My reasoning's were clear . But you have stated in your first section above that you won't even consider you are wrong, because you can't be so why should i even bother any more to explain things to you?. And i'm bound to be defensive when someone says the kind of stuff you say. "see the error of your ways" . you really do have such a superiority complex.
The scene is done. It's finished, It's in the movie. End of.
brash_stryker said:
^ Well said.
So Ady, I'm curious to hear about what you think about my point regarding the electrical effect on the Ion blast. I think keeping it in is ruining the integrity of the movie, and you should listen to what I have to say, as my interpretation is gospel and not up for debate. No one reply unless you agree with me!
lol. I got the idea fro the electrical effect from the walker lasers that appear in some parts of the battle. I wanted the Ion laser to look a little different from regular lasers and with it being an electrical type weapon in my version it was a decision to make it look more "electrical"
BmB said:
And your result is emotionally out of tune with the rest of the battle. As I said before, it's about small but shining victories in the middle of overwhelming defeat, not about frustration.
I'm sorry, but your interpretation is very flawed. I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but it's hard not to when everyone explodes in my face for expressing my opinion.
EDIT:
In fact, the whole movie is like that. Nowhere is there any frustration or half victories in the whole movie. Either the empire is totally owning our heroes, or they're having one of their small but shining victories. But every time they do, save the very end, the empire is always right back on their tail.
I'm sorry but if all you are going to do is try and put me down I'd prefer if you didn't post. I'm trying to have a debate on this, and you're contributing nothing.
Don't make it so hard and be a little more accepting of conflicting views will you? Not to try and be offensive or anything, but most of you are just patting ady on the back, ady is left to defend his point of view on his own and a few others are vaguely chipping in on the controversy apparently in fear of the mindless pat-on-back horde jumping to the defense of anything that isn't flat out praise.
I like what he's doing, most of it is a massive improvement from what I've seen so far.
But some things are just going overboard, ultimately the mass of small (but impressive) fixes are outweighed by messing with the integrity of the film for no other reason than to be different. Or worse, as I have come to suspect now, simply misinterpreting the intent. So far this is the only such point of contention I have noticed, which is a damn shame.
You see , this is it. It is just YOUR interpretation. But you are coming across that your interpretation is gospel. My interpretation of the scene is not "very flawed" as you put it, at all. And that statement and ones like it is why you are coming across as plain arrogant. Everyone else has their own interpretations of certain scenes and events, but they don't start spouting crap like i am ruining the whole movie. And no one "exploded in you face" as you put it. You started saying things like how "incredibly fake" the scene looks just because you didn't want any changes to that scene. At that point all someone had asked was what scene you were talking about in your first post. And now you're saying that i'm "messing with the integrity of the movie of the film for no other reason than to be different". I clearly spelled out my reasoning for the new additions and provided a logical reason as to why it was added so why come out with crap like that?
Nowhere am i messing with the integrity of the movie. You see it as one way and i see it as another. But please get off your high horse that you are the only one that is right about that scene. And to tell people not to post because they disagree with you? WTF? And you aren't trying to have a debate at all. All you are doing is saying you're right and i'm wrong, nothing more. Funnily this scene was released over a year ago and yet it comes up now.
Have you actually stopped to think that maybe it is you're interpretation of the scene that is very flawed? When more people are interpreting the scene the way i have, not just here but on other sites too, then maybe you have got it wrong.
And that is the last i'm going to say on this subject. It was finished and added to the movie over a year ago and I have better things to do than continue a pointless argument and obviously this isn't going to be the edit for you so maybe you should just drop it now.