1 episode leaked online:
1 episode leaked online:
What happened to the Nelvana negatives, does anyone know?
Because if they don’t exist all they would have is broadcast tapes. Good enough for DVD and streaming, arguably. But for HD nope.
Well, we’ll find out next week when Ewoks is released.
Ewoks on Disney+ is upscaled from the SD tapes.
Just had a quick look at the two Ewok films on Disney+. They look like they could be new HD masters but they do suffer with bad compression where the grain is concerned, so not 100% sure they’re not just upscales from the DVD master, although they do look a lot more detailed to me. The Holiday Special animation , although it claims on the app that its HD, is just what we had on the Blu-Ray.
In ESB 2004/2011, there is a “ghost” image of Vaders helmet during the scene where the Emperor appears. It’s gone in the 2020 version
We’ve just passed the £1000 mark in the donation drive. Thank you everyone who has donated so far. We’re a third of the way to the £3000 goal already. I really couldn’t do these edits without the amazing generosity of you guys, so i am eternally grateful for all your help.
First render passes ( 1 standard and one reverse) on the ESB:R upscale have been completed . I’m about half way though replacing the first 2-3 frames at the beginning of every shot to combat the issues with the upscaler bleeding frames from a previous shot. It’s a long process but this stage should be completed by the end of next week. So far i have counted over 100 shots that need to be either replaced , because the upscaler didn’t do a very good job, so it won’t be a 100% upscale. These will either be re-rendered in 1080p from the original project files, some native 1080p from the original blu-ray & some shots replaced using the new 2020 blu-ray versions. I’m hoping the video side of things will be finished by the beginning of May 2021.
Now the audio side of things for the 1080p releases . I’m not sure if rendering a 6.1 or 7.1 track is even worth it TBH. The 6.1 audio track on the 2011 blu-rays for the OT are a bit of a con. The extra track contains silence for about 99% of the film. There are very quick sound effects in about 6 places throughout Empire . And the 2020 7.1 just duplicate this track to give the extra track. So anyone that complains if i just do 5.1 audio is really complaining for no reason. But the main reason why it may just be 5.1 is because i do not have any software that can encode DTS-MA let alone encode a 6.1 or 7.1 audio track. The DTS software suite is ridiculous price and now only seems to be available for Mac. If i were able to create a 6.1 DTS track then i would need to remake the extra channel(s) from scratch and i only have a 5.1 setup so i couldn’t really test out the extra channels anyway.
But one thing i have decided about the audio tracks for the 1080p versions of ANH:R & ESB:R is that these will have duel audio tracks…
Track 1 - New audio mix without the “Battle of the Heroes” music during the Vader / Obi-Wan duel
Track 2 - Same audio mix as above but with the “battle of the Heroes” music added to the sabre duel
Track 1 - New audio mix featuring Jason Wingreen’s original Boba Fett dub.
Track 2 - Same audio mix as above but with Temuera Morrison’s Boba Fett dub.
So, for these two films, you will get a choice of audio track. Jedi will likely just have one.
Well for what it’s worth, Rodians do indeed blink in both The Clone Wars and Rebels.
ANH:R & ESB:R 1080p UPSCALE UPDATE AND DONATION DRIVE
I hope everyone had a good Christmas and New year. I missed the New Year completely. Fell asleep a few hours before midnight and slept through, so that’s why there was no “Happy New Year” message from me this year.
So we are back in full lockdown again here in the UK. At least there now seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel. So there’s at least a chance now we could get part of the live action shoots done late summer this year. But at least being stuck indoors all day has given me enough time to really play about with the upscale of ANH:R & ESB:R.
I did some tests with the trial version of the latest version of Topaz Video Enhance AI. OMG, what a difference. Much better than the old version i have. They have managed to iron out most of the problems with the older version. It now seems to be able to recognise parts of the image that are meant to be out of focus, whereas the older version tried to bring things into focus. The speed is about 3x as fast. Sadly the pro-res encoder has problems and shifts colours, so i can still only render as image sequence, which creates huge files. Also it has a bug which, when a shot changes to the next, the previous image can bleed into the first 2 frames, or the image quality really drops for those frames. Also, mainly when lasers are moving across screen, you see the ghost image of the laser from the previous frame bleed into the next. The only way to fix this is to do a first pass upscale, then render out a reversed version of the film and upscale this and replace the first two frames of every shot in the film in the editor. A long process, but worth it. Sadly the trial version has run out and I can’t afford the £200 for the full version just yet.
Another problem with the upscaling I found was that there were many shots it just didn’t give good results in the final upscale, so I had to render it again using different settings and replace the bad ones in the editor with the new ones. But a lot still looked bad, no matter what settings I used, especially when I had to use lower res images/ video and used any form of sharpening filter. Strange artefacts where it tried too hard to add details, over-sharpened sections and images that almost look like an art filter had been added to the picture. Very artificial. And it really doesn’t like shots like holograms or macrobinocular displays. Luckily for me I still have all of the original project files , so I have the luxury of re-rendering these shots to help eliminate these problems. I also have the chance to use some element from the new 4k versions of the films to replace the lower quality from the 2011 blu-ray. For example, the picture below, where I enlarged Obi-Wan so he didn’t look like a tiny little figure in the shot. The results were never that great using the 2011 blu-ray, but sort of passed when being 720p. But upscaled to 1080p it looks horrendous. But using Obi-Wan from the 4k version, the results are miles better.
So I will be able to improve all of these type of shots for the upscale version. There are a lot, but many are just an easy re-render with some of the original filters turned off and applied after the upscale process. Plus there are some shots that were originally rendered in native 1080p and downscaled for the original release that I can use in the upscaled version. So it won’t be a 100% upscale for ESB:R and with ANH:R I can swap a lot of the upscaled footage with the original 1080p colour graded master I created when I started that. ROTJ:R of course will be native 1080p. ESB:R 1080p could well be ready in a couple of months after i can start work properly on it.
But now I come to the biggest problem with the upscale. Just rendering ESB:R as an upscale using uncompressed image files, and a few test renders of replacements, it almost filled a 4TB drive. The resulting filesizes are huge. And with working on ROTJ:R, upscales of ANH:R & ESB:R AND being able to back the files up, there just isn’t enough space even with the new larger format drive I have now.
As you may know, last year wiped us out financially with my wife losing her job. We were lucky that she was able to find a job later in the year, but at a greatly reduced salary. This sadly meant that I am no longer in a position to plough any more funds into Revisited for the foreseeable future. So I have no option other than to reopen the donation drive. As I said last time, I was planning on matching the money raised during the last one plus any extra, which would have fully funded this project, which was £3000. I’m just going to use the same Paypal money pool as last time as it’s the easiest thing to do, keeping the same links. I desperately need to get some more large size external drives for backup purposes and a couple more large format internal drives for the main rendering of the upscaled versions. Plus the last batch of materials for the live actions shoots and miniatures.
You all know I really hate doing this, but I have no other choice at this point in time. Here is the link for the donation drive. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Where is this HD Trailer? Could you could point me if the right direction?
Sorry, it was comparison video not really a trailer. I tried to find it but no luck. Hopefully someone else here will have a link for you.
I do wonder how they de-aged the voice though. I know how deepfakes and such work fairly well, but this is the first time I’ve heard a voice de-aged.
I’m wondering if they were able to use an advanced version of the unreleased Adobe Voco, or developed something similar. Hopefully we’ll find out in the BTS at Christmas
Man, I absolutely loved it. And I KNEW IT as soon as I realized it was only a single X-Wing.
The real question was, was it going to be Sebastian Stan or deaged Mark? I really think they gave him that little bit of stubble right before he removes the hood to really make you think it might be Stan under there before they pull the rug from under you.
The effect itself, not perfect. There are definitely a couple of shots in there that are pretty bad but I think overall it worked.
AND THE VOICE! That is ROTJ era Luke all over! The voice is what impressed me the most.
Man I loved it.
Yeh, i have to say, the way they de-aged his voice was amazing. Completely spot on. Shame the facial effect was so damn jarring. Although i watched it on Disney+ in 2160p HDR, i gave it a second watch, this time through the SKYQ box, which only has Disney+ @ 1080p and it didn’t look half as bad. I don’t know if it was the fact that the initial shock at how bad it looked had passed or the fact that it worked better at 1080p max. But the lip sync was still CG game level bad. And the “dead eyes” … yuk
Did anyone else spot the Battlestar Galactica nod in the ep?
I hope I won’t be raining on anyone’s parade but that was… bad, right? I’ve really enjoyed this season but that really left a poor taste in my mouth. I thought the pacing was bizarre and that whole final sequence… Yikes.
I’m not against what they did in principle but good god. Would it kill them to recast a role or let an actor play his own age when the alternative is a straight up video game character?
I haven’t seen anyone else’s take on the episode yet so I really hope I’m not the only grump. I wanted to love it but damn.
Completely agree. That episode was bad. It somehow felt cheap too. very “fan film”. It had some good bits but i felt that this was all rushed, just to get to that “wow” ending. And the change in the music style in this ep felt so wrong with some of it being more like a 90’s hallmark film
I just hope everyone didn’t stop watching before the credits finished though. 😉
Well, overall , that was a pretty good season. But, is it just me, or did the effects get progressively worse as the season progressed? Its as if they spent the budget on the first ep. Todays ep featured one of the worse digital doubles ever. It would give the Scorpion king a run for its money. Even the ships looked cheap and nasty effect work.
Work on removing as much of the static grain as possible on the 2020 blu-ray version of ROTJ is coming along nicely. I was surprised at just how bad the problems are on this latest release. Not only do you have the static grain, but also the over use of Digital noise reduction has caused so many shots throughout the film to have less detail than even the old 2011 versions. On top of that you have Temporal noise reduction halo blurring ( where an object/ person moves on screen and the background around it becomes blurry as it passes) and some very bad digital noise reduction motion smearing. As you can see in the image below, Yoda’s face is just a smeared mess in the 2020 Blu-Ray, yet it is fine on the 2011 version.
So many shots in the Yoda Hut scene have had so much of the detail scrubbed away. So i have replaced the worse shots with cleaned up footage from the 2011 blu-ray
There is so much to fix on ROTJ before i can start work on the edit.
But i’m taking a short break from the restoration until after Christmas. So far i have completed up to the arrival on Endor. But it’s a very tedious task and i just need a short break.
Now, onto some news… While taking a break from ROTJ, i decided to try out upscaling ESB:R using Topaz Video AI. I’d seen so many people raving about this software so i tried some shots from the 720p lossless master to see if it would be worth releasing a 1080p version. Well i was shocked at how good this software is. Now, it does have its problems. You can’t just stick the file in and let in render away and end up with an amazing looking result. Doing some tests i found out that , while one setting is perfect for some shots and gives the best results, its horrendous on others. Starfields especially suffer when they are moving using one setting. You get a strange ghosting effect or they just smear across the screen. You also get sections of them disappear for a frame or two. So doing it several times, using different settings, is the only way to do it. Then its a case of combining the best elements by rotoscoping to give the best result.
One of the major drawbacks though is the time it takes to process. a 3 minute clip took over 12 hours to render. You get about 5 seconds processing/ rendering time per frame. Then there is the fact that it renders to uncompressed png format ( the MP4 option is horrendous quality). The hard drive space it takes up is astounding, so i’m going to have to look into investing in several external drives and larger internal ones.
So, is the quality of the resulting upscale even worth all the effort, just to have ESB:R in 1080p? Well, here are 10 screen shot comparisons showing the finished upscale 1080p version against the 2011 source blu-ray. No sharpening filters have been used on the Revisited upscales, this is just purely the result from the Topaz Video AI software.
(Just click on each tab to see the different shots. To compare each shot just hover your mouse over the image)
Well, i think the results speak for themselves. It looks better in clarity for the most part than the original 1080p blu-ray. But why don’t i just use the new 2020 blu-ray of ESB to replace the unaltered footage from the 2011 blu-ray? Well, sadly, then latest version of ESB is crap, to put it mildly. It may have better clarity overall in detail, but it is heavily cropped and horizontally stretched, making everyone gain about 20 pounds. I have no idea why this was such a botched release and why it was stretched and cropped as bad as it is, because the other two films don’t suffer with that. You can see just how much of the picture is lost due to the cropping and horizontal stretching. Some shots are worse than others but this gives you an example of the problem.
But then there is all the work needed to be done to match the grading of ESB:R for it to match up. It would be like starting from scratch. So , while there may be some shots that i will use the 2020 blu-ray, i shall be sticking with the upscales.
So i have come to a decision…
THE REVISITED SAGA WILL NOW ALL BE RELEASED IN 1080P INSTEAD OF JUST 720P
Upscaling ESB:R should only take a month or two. Luckily i still have all of the project files so, if needed, i can replace a shot that isn’t working in the upscale with a newly rendered version. Then i can move onto ANH:R. All the work i have done so far on ROTJ has all been in 1080p, so no need to do any upscaling there. ROTJ:R will be native 1080p.
And there you have it. Guaranteed someone will say “well why don’t you upscale then to 4k?”. 😉 Sorry, but that is not going to happen.
Hey guys. I got ESB:R back when it came out and loved it. I recently heard there was an upscale to 1080p somewhere. Does anybody know anything about this?
bryantmh made it. I can send you the link if you’d like.
Yes please, I’d appreciate it.
I don’t know how an upscale works, so what should I expect visually?
I’d wait if i were you… Check back a bit later because i’m about to post some news about the Revisited saga…
Not sure why people are using the 480p NTSC version for upsclaing. Wouldn’t using the PAL DVD-9 version would give better results?
If they start veering down the Snoke/Palpatine/Exogol thread. I’m out.
It may very well be the backdrop of the story…
Exactly. Ever since we saw the kamino symbol on the doctor, when Mando delivers the child, it’s been pointing to the child being the important factor in the creation of Snoke and the resurrection of the Emperor. Todays episode, where the holo recording mentions needing a specimen with a really high “M” count (so glad they didn’t mention midichlorians by name) pretty much cemented that. We don’t get a good look at the failed clones. But the seeds were planted a long time ago. It’s all tied to the Emperors return. But will it turn out to be Ahsoka that becomes the missing piece needed for the resurrection and the child will no longer be needed? That wouldn’t surprise me with Filoni involved, especially now it’s confirmed she will be in the show.
Maz handing Chewie the medal at the end of ROS doesn’t contradict with giving him a medal in ANH:R. He wasn’t being presented with his own medal in ROS. Maz was giving him Han’s medal, that Leia had been keeping. It was a memento of the friends he had lost and it was being passed down to him. It was an inheritance, not a prize.
They’re popping up on Etsy now. I don;t have an account there so can’t report it
One of the worse HAS to be Bollocks, erm i mean Bollux 😉
Ed Slushie said:
Were Jawas’ hands always furry?
Some had furry hands in ANH
But why the hell do Tatooine Jawas now have red eyes? And a nice little nod to ROTJ there. The jawa is holding the same item used by Han when he is trying to save Lando when hanging from the skiff.
Fang Zei said:
I wasn’t paying super close attention to the sound, but recognized at least one version of it. Can’t remember now whether it was from ‘77, ‘04 or ‘11 (staying vague for people who wander in here without having watched the first episode of season 2, yes I know it’s the spoiler thread).
Anyway, not going to rewatch now just to listen for it again. But that was fun.
it was '77