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#1608455
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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I’d have to dig out all my detailed notes and outlines ( if i even still have them) but here is the gist of what i was planning (although this is all from memory and it was long time ago, so will be pretty rough):

TPM: There was going to be no “trade blockade” or “negotiations” but it would start with the invasion of Naboo. The Gungans would be clone batches and the trade federation (as they are in the original but may have been named differently, i can’t remember) were after cloning tech as this is something the galaxy has not been able to master. Their claim was that they had negotiated a deal for the tech but that the Gungans has reneged on the deal. We find out that it was Jar Jar that made the deal without authorisation and this was why he was ostracised from the city. Many of the Naboo council consider the Gungans to be a lower life form and demand that Amidala just hand them over to the federation, but she refuses. This angers the federation and they head to invade the city. Amidala send a distress signal to senator palpatine and the Jedi are sent to Naboo. On the federation ship we see the nemoidians receive a holo message from a hooded figure. It looks like the emperor we all know, so its not obvious from the start that its actually palpatine ( god i hated how dumb that bit was). This is palpatines true form but we don’t know that until the 3rd film. He informs them that the Jedi are on their was and to make sure they never reach the planet. As the Jedi ship approaches, the federation opens fire and the Jedi cruiser takes heavy damage. Escape pods are deployed and most are destroyed before they can reach safety, apart from 2 that reach the planet - Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan. They meet up with Jar Jar who is less irritating in this version and doesn’t speak like an idiot with all the “exsqueeze me” type crap. Things pretty much go as original from here for a while, but with alterations. Getting to tatooine, anakin does NOT create 3P0. 3P0 is Amidalas personal droid throughout, fully golden from the start. The pod race would be shorter, intercut with the invasion and other things plus more of Maul searching for the group. Obi-Wan wouldn’t be an asshole who looks down on others as he does in the original. And Midichlorians wouldn’t exist. The end battle would have had Anakin deliberately disobey Qui-Gon and join the space battle and not some stupid accident. he would get an idea on how to destroy the ship by flying into one of its hangar bays as this was less protected or something like that and flys inside taking shots as he goes. Obi_wan doesn’t fall down the shaft and make that ridiculous jump and flip over Maul. At the end Boss Nass agrees that their cloning tech should not be kept on Naboo and would be better in the hands of the republic. Oh, and no space jesus in this one. Shmii is just silent about the father

AOTC: Can’t remember a lot about this one but Anakin is less of a whiney and creepy little bitch in this version. With the ongoing threat from the federation, a clone army has been ordered by the Republic using the Gungan tech, but Padme, now a senator, along with others in the senate disagree with it as they had agreed that they were only going to be the guardians of this tech. So there is no more stupid plot of the Jedi suddenly being ok with this secret clone army yet they have no idea who created it and what for. The assassination attempts on padme still happen and anakin is instructed to take her to somewhere out the way but she demands that she return to Naboo. Anakin still had the force dream about his mother being in pain, but his understanding is that the jedi freed her from slavery. His discovery that they hadn’t and that they had lied to him begins his turn to the dark side and distrust of the Jedi. He also would not inform Padme of his slaughter of the Tuskens. So she doesn’t know that he’s a psycho nutcase, yet still want to be with him, which diminishes her character. There would be no Boba Fett as a kid in this. Obi_wan would be sent to check on the progress of the clone army. They wouldn’t all be clones of Jango, but of a handful of Mandalorian warriors, who remain on Kamino to train the clones. Geonosis would be the discovery that the federation were amassing a droid army to attack the republic. Yoda wouldn’t use a lightsabre in the duel against Dooku.

ROTS: Same opening as original. Obi_wan and the Jedi council have begun the be suspicious of Anakin after hearing of things he had done during the clone wars. They know all about him an Padme but are saying nothing, but are keeping a close eye on him. This film would now be set a decade after AOTC. Anakin would NOT be named as Darth Vader. Grevious would sound nothing like Dracula with a bad cough in this either. There would also be no “dreams” of Padme dying. palpatine is sowing the seeds of doubt in Anakin about the Jedi as in the original. Obi_wan finds grevious and confronts him where he discovers that Palpatine is the Sith Lord and contacts the council. Mace goes to confront Palpatine to discover if Grevious was telling the truth or misleading Obi-Wan. After he leaves Anakin finds out what he is doing and goes after him as his mistrust with the Jedi has deepened. Mace alone confronts Palpatine in his office, who was viewing tech graphics of an armoured suit (Vader’s), where he reveals his true form to Windu and battle commences. Anakin arrives just as Mace defeats Palpatine and stands above him as he lays on the ground. Palpatine now is fully in his true form and claims that Windu had disfigured him. Mace’s willingness to kill Palpatine instead of putting him on trial is what finally turns Anakin against the Jedi and, as Mace raises his saber to slay Palpatine, Anakin lashes out with the force as pushes him far out the window. No force lighting and melting Palpatine. Palpatine talks about how the jedi want to take over the republic and they have been deliberately allowing the war to continue, but that Anakin could end the war if he was willing to go against the Jedi. He tells him he has learned the location of the leaders of the federation/ separatists and that he needs to do what must be done; assassinate them all, to bring an end to the war. That how the jedi wiped out all of the Sith because they didn’t believe that only the Jedi should be allowed toi master the force. Anakin head to Mustafar. When Obi-Wan returns to Coruscant he learns of the death of Mace. Yoda has received a holo message from palpatine informing them what anakin had done and that he had learned that anakin was a sith apprentice who knew who the sith lord was and he had killed Mace when he tried to arrest him, but doesn’t know where he had gone Yoda shows Obi-Wan altered footage of the moment Anakin kills mace. They must stop anakin but Obi-Wan struggles to believe it. He reaches out to padme who he knows anakin would have told her where he was going. Continue like the original with obi-wan hiding in the ship and when he confronts Anakin. Cut back to Palpatine in his office and one of his aides informs him that Anakin is in danger, but he shrugs it off saying something like " I have forseen skywalkers demise. It is of no concern. Soon i shall have a new apprentice. One far more powerful than young Skywalker could have ever been. Prepare my shuttle. We shall go to Mustafar to discover Skywalkers fate."

Kenobi leaves Anakin as he burns of the lava shore as Palpatines shuttle arrives. We don’t see him claw his way up, but instead believe him to be dead. He meets up with Yoda on the medical asteroid. he informs him that Anakin is dead. Yoda explains that he senses the dark side descending across the galaxy and that something terrible is coming their way. Padme is injured but doesn’t die. Yoda realises that if the sith discover that the babies survived that they would hunt them down. Can’t remember what i had planned for in-between this bit and the next. Some time later Palpatine is in his office and an ominous voice can be heard off camera…“what is thy bidding, my master”. We see that large dark figure emerge. " Ah, my new apprentice…" This is Vader’s introduction. We don’t know this is Anakin (especially when there’d been so many other sith apprentices suddenly pop up from nowhere). Palpatine begins order 66. Palpatine then addresses the senate and informs them of the Jedi plot to overthrown the Republic, while it intercuts with scenes of the clones turning on the jedi then we see darth Vader emerging at the jedi temple, slaughtering jedi, but no younglings. Yoda and Obi-wan return to find the jedi temple ablaze and the jedi slaughtered. They see security footage of Vader killing the Jedi. Can’t remember how i ended everything or what happened after this. But Padme was alive and the twins were split up, but not named

it was going to take a lot of time and funds to achieve this. With the AI tech available today and it could more easily be pulled off. But , with the amount of time left needed to complete the OT Revisited saga, and i’m almost 60 now, i just don’t think my heart would have been in it, especially when i just can’t even bear to watch the prequels any more. I spent years planning all of this out. It would have kept the “Vader Father” reveal intact. And anyone saying that this would be a waste of time because “everyone knows who vader is” are completely discounting new generations that will discover these films and would probably watch then in episodic order. Even now there are those that don’t know that identity of Vader. My Grandson knew who vader was but had no idea he was Luke’s father until he watched Empire, so there is a good argument to keep that reveal intact.

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#1608436
Topic
STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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I’m back 😃

Feeling much better now ( well , apart from the past week where i’ve been laid up in bed with a nasty gastric virus.) Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

I’m back working on ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD. Getting a long quite nicely with the grading for ROTJ. I’ve juct completed the section where Leia meets Wicket, so that will give you some idea where i have got up to with that. It still shocks me just how dull and lifeless the 2020 blu-ray is. And it really has some shocking sections where the image has been completely bleached out, either with the colour grading that’s seemed to somehow remove most of the blues of the film or the fact that the grader decided that he would brighten the image up so much that it would blow out all the details, or just using crappy power windows to brighten sections of the image and losing all contrast.

Anyway, this is just a short one today. I will be posting a clip showing a new section of ROTJ:R’s colour grading later in the week, but for now here are some screenshots:





The 2020 Blu-Ray, for some unknown reason, removed the blue tint to not only the TIE fighters but also the Executor. These were blue in every version up until 2020.





With this one, the grader used a power window mask around Leia and Han in the 2020 edition, but didn’t properly track the movements so you get a moving mask with almost grey blacks. I replaced this with the 2011 blu-ray, with major clean up. Surprisingly , for the 2011 blu-ray, there’s a bit more detail in the shadows than the 2020 version.

And , one shot that took me forever to fix, is this one. What the hell has happened to all the colour in the 2020 edition? (The Gifs may take some time to load up, so be patient)


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#1608116
Topic
Original trilogy: Special Edition 1997 restoration | AVAILABLE AGAIN STARTING FROM 17 SEPTEMBER
Time

Director said:

adywan said:

Director said:

doubleofive said:

I do not understand what is happening here. So you got full film scans (from the Team Negative One forums?), and then you color corrected them, then un-color corrected them, they compressed them to DVD resolution?

No? But maybe I explained it unclearly; so I got the scans years ago and NOT from TN1 forums. I did some remastering and cleaning, and then I used a foreign colour-match tool (not the one in this forum) to make the colours perfectly match the cinema versions. TheStarWarsTrilogy.com forum has a 4K97 but it is not the best in colour and the quality of the films were always 480p, I did nothing but transfer the films to an MP4 file as 480p.

Why do you keep insisting that the quality of the films were always 480p, when you have been told on numerous occasions that they were NOT?

The films were 480p in 1997, and I do not understand why have you not understood it? The films were released as 360p in home video releases, and the original videos from 1996 were 480p. And when I got the scans, they were 480p. If they are not 480p, what is it then? the films were 480p in 1997, and I have no intention of making a 720p, 1080p, 1440p or 4K version. I do not wish to argue, but this is getting me irritated.

The films projected at the theatres in 1997 were NOT 480p. Depending on where you saw it you were watching the equivalent of over 720p when viewing a 35mm film print. as these prints were newer than the originals, taken from the newer negative and with newer film stock , it’s closer to 1080p that it would be to 480p. Even back in 1977, with older projection and different film stocks , you would still be viewing something around 720p, if not higher. Just take a look at the scans of the films done by TeamNegtive1. They were taken from theatrical prints that would have been shown in cinemas. THAT is what you would have been seeing. You can’t honestly think that they are really only 480p worth of detail in there.

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#1608106
Topic
Original trilogy: Special Edition 1997 restoration | AVAILABLE AGAIN STARTING FROM 17 SEPTEMBER
Time

Director said:

doubleofive said:

I do not understand what is happening here. So you got full film scans (from the Team Negative One forums?), and then you color corrected them, then un-color corrected them, they compressed them to DVD resolution?

No? But maybe I explained it unclearly; so I got the scans years ago and NOT from TN1 forums. I did some remastering and cleaning, and then I used a foreign colour-match tool (not the one in this forum) to make the colours perfectly match the cinema versions. TheStarWarsTrilogy.com forum has a 4K97 but it is not the best in colour and the quality of the films were always 480p, I did nothing but transfer the films to an MP4 file as 480p.

Why do you keep insisting that the quality of the films were always 480p, when you have been told on numerous occasions that they were NOT?

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#1604380
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Has the cancellation been officially confirmed? All of the articles i’ve seen floating around are quoting from the same site that originally posted this “scoop” which only claimed that their “sources” told them. Haven’t seen anything coming from Lucasfilm or Disney about this.

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#1594120
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Vladius said:

adywan said:

After being pretty “meh” after seeing the trailers, i was surprised at how much i liked the first 2 episodes. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but to me it actually feels like Star Wars, unlike BOBF, Ahsoka and the latter part of Mando. The acting & dialogue is fine, which the trailers somehow made it seem prequel level bad, but it isn’t. And thank GOD we finally have colour back in Star Wars and not that horrendous desaturated & over dark grading that’s plagued the majority of the TV shows so far. The only thing that feels a bit off to me is the ending of both episodes. They don’t seem like an episode ending. It’s seeming to be aimed at editing into one long movie that has been chopped up into episodes more than an episodic formula.

Sadly, the dark side of the fandom is ripping it apart. The usual " Woke" bullshit comments are everywhere. Slating the show because of its female lead, the fact they mentioned " two mothers" and other crap. If it’s not white male lead they don’t class it as Star Wars. Wankers. I’m so fed up hearing how Star Wars is dead, just because it doesn’t follow their narrow minded bullshit. No one is allowed to just enjoy it any more without all their vitriol. I’ve seen so many commenting on how they refuse to watch it but will review bomb it wherever possible. Then attacking fans who dare to say they like anything “Disney” Star Wars.

This show has started out pretty well. It has my interest. I LOVE the score and i think that’s one of the reasons why it feels more like Star Wars to me. It feels very Willams to me. Although i don’t mind the different style scores in things like the Mandalorian, it seems to take away something for me. The Acolyte is probably the first TV show that i rewatched the first eps in the same day.

It doesn’t help that the creators and actors go out of their way to publicly say that they’re trying to make people mad on purpose

Please point me to where they have said that they are trying to make people mad on purpose, because i haven’t seen anything like that.

But from the day the cast & Director were announced its been vitriol on the internet because they’re not all white straight males. It’s been constant. And that was even before a single image came out of the production. Now the big thing they are complaining about it fire in space and the fact that there is a campfire cracking sound for the fire. Well, for one, fire in space is nothing new with Star Wars. This isn’t sci-fi and its never really followed real world physics. It’s fantasy. And the complaint about the sound effects of a “campfire” shows that they’re just too dumb to even follow what’s going on in that scene or haven’t actually even seen the scene but just the screenshots people have posted. The sound is because she is remembering the fire that killed her family. It’s in her head. It couldn’t be more obvious. But its just something they have latched onto to claim how bad this show is. But, even when you explain this to them its just a tirade of vicious attacks back with claims of being a “Disney shill” and other pathetic crap. Fuck that side of the fandom.

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#1593851
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Time

Thanks you everyone for your well Wishes, and i’m so sorry for your loss Ronster. I was rushed into hospital again on Sunday but i’m back home now and thankfully it wasn’t anything too major, although it does look like i will need another operation to insert another stent if the artery that caused Sundays emergency gets any worse. So i need to take it very slow now during the long recovery. But, thanks to the amazing work the NHS have done for me, for the most part i feel better than i have for over a decade. Looks like i’ve been having mini heart attacks for years now and this was the one that finally knocked me down.

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#1593850
Topic
<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
Time

After being pretty “meh” after seeing the trailers, i was surprised at how much i liked the first 2 episodes. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but to me it actually feels like Star Wars, unlike BOBF, Ahsoka and the latter part of Mando. The acting & dialogue is fine, which the trailers somehow made it seem prequel level bad, but it isn’t. And thank GOD we finally have colour back in Star Wars and not that horrendous desaturated & over dark grading that’s plagued the majority of the TV shows so far. The only thing that feels a bit off to me is the ending of both episodes. They don’t seem like an episode ending. It’s seeming to be aimed at editing into one long movie that has been chopped up into episodes more than an episodic formula.

Sadly, the dark side of the fandom is ripping it apart. The usual " Woke" bullshit comments are everywhere. Slating the show because of its female lead, the fact they mentioned " two mothers" and other crap. If it’s not white male lead they don’t class it as Star Wars. Wankers. I’m so fed up hearing how Star Wars is dead, just because it doesn’t follow their narrow minded bullshit. No one is allowed to just enjoy it any more without all their vitriol. I’ve seen so many commenting on how they refuse to watch it but will review bomb it wherever possible. Then attacking fans who dare to say they like anything “Disney” Star Wars.

This show has started out pretty well. It has my interest. I LOVE the score and i think that’s one of the reasons why it feels more like Star Wars to me. It feels very Willams to me. Although i don’t mind the different style scores in things like the Mandalorian, it seems to take away something for me. The Acolyte is probably the first TV show that i rewatched the first eps in the same day.

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#1592341
Topic
Star Wars: A New Hope DEVASTATOR EDITION (V.2 a WIP)
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That guy with no name said:

new shot:
full vid: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PqHH0weoX-7qGOtGuXrXeTZn_onxdSMo/view?usp=sharing

That looks amazing.

Phase3 said:

The explosion looks “fuller” if that makes sense – it’s a much better explosion than the original. One tiny thing that stood out though (which may be so small as to be deemed entirely irrelevant):
The two other TIE’s are moving forward towards the screen, yet the explosion seems to be locked into place; wouldn’t the explosion be steadily moving away from the camera?

There was someone on youtube a while back that made a CG version of this scene with the explosion moving away and it doesn’t work. The thing with an explosion that moves away is that it gives the impression that its getting smaller and it lessens the visual impact. Thankfully Star Wars really doesn’t stick to real world physics when it comes to FX and goes for a more visual impact than real world.

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#1586689
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Star Wars: A New Hope DEVASTATOR EDITION (V.2 a WIP)
Time

Ronster said:

That guy with no name said:

oops. Accidentally posted the top comparison without the falcon glow layer turned on.
here is the updated comparison:
(still working on the 3d model neverar, I haven’t forgotten that.)

(wipe removed for comp only)

original:

DevEd v.2

Full shot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ARgf0HUgH8pAiEEkicaik6_xcYBVik5I/view?usp=sharing

I think you nailed the trajectory on that shot to be honest. You have made the best of what is there. I think it is very charming to keep the original model fix the position and nice engine glow.

However the Planet still looks very green I distinctly remember to get it looking the right shade of Blue as when they arrive earlier it needed hue shifting quite a lot via selective correction. Obviously all the way through from green cyan to blue. Don’t be scared to be quite brutal there it is probably blue screen degredation or something. But looks very good when shifted into blue you must try it and you will see and feel when it looks like correct. Otherwise really great job on that shot 😃 Thanks

Yavin IV is green NOT blue. Since 2004 the colouring of Yavin IV was screwed and it became blue during the SE additions. But pre 2004 it was green in every other shot apart from this one, which shifted towards blue. The original closeup matte painting used when the falcon approaches showed a green planet with blue oceans. Sadly Rogue One went for the “blue planet” look also, but it was originally more green, especially being a more forest planet and it helps differentiate between Alderaan.

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#1582609
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
Time

Joshua_Blue said:

adywan said:

That guy with no name said:

adywan said:

The third and final video for this week, as promised.

https://youtu.be/Gy8b1L318Sw

This one, having the original 2020 grading played alongside the new grading may through out the perception of the new colour grade in places, especially with skintones. The 2020 shifts from having an almost fully desaturated image with a heavy blue filter (why the hell is endor suddenly blue?) for the space shots shifting to a more green shifted grade with yellow/ orange skin tones. Subtle colour tones on the Death Star equator mattes have been lost in this new grade, similar to what happened with the 2004 grade. So after watching it in comparison mode, watch it again while covering the top image and you’ll get a better idea of the grade.

And for anyone wondering why the TIE’s are blue in this , well they were blue in this scene and others in 1983 right up until the horrendous 2004 grade ( yes, they were blue in the '97 SE release too) where they became more desaturated and a heavy blue tint added to the picture, and the 2020 grade seems to have gone down that route too but this time eliminated all of the blue colouring, except for the matte shot where they part from the shuttle.

There are about 3 fixes in this video this time around. See if you can spot them all

great! they look beautiful.

the two changes I saw were:
Jabba’s palace door
camera movement retimed before the wipe to tatooine
and maybe you fixed out-of-focus Vader?

Ah, there are 4 fixes then 😉

Also Star Destroyer hangar bay lights

Yes, someone finally got it 😃

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#1582138
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Time

Short video (link at the bottom) showing the sources that i used to recreate the original 1977 version of the scene in the image below, followed by the new HD recreation. The Special Edition droid never looked good IMHO and it’s something i always wanted to remove but didn’t have the skills to do it back when i created the SD version of ANH:R.

This one took a LOT of work and just over 3 weeks to complete. I had to combine the best elements of each source , with each one having its own problems. The 4K77 print scan had a lot of print damage that needed cleaning up by hand just so i could use small sections. The 2011 Blu-Ray had more details in parts than the new 2020 blu-ray edition but suffered with blurry faces of the characters in the background. While the 2020 blu-ray lost a lot of detailing in the brighter areas. So, to get this done, it was weeks of cleaning, stabilising, tracking, rotoscoping, grading and manually lining up and matching each source to overlay on top of each other to get the bets possible details out of the sources.

https://youtu.be/CZCRkEIunAY

Youtube’s crappy compression really screws with the videos now. So here is a snapshot so you can see it in full quality (the grain hasn’t been added yet)

And, for those that want to see it in higher quality than on youtube, you can download the sample here:

https://mega.nz/file/SJlSURpY#66pcDlU0_HetxMg2s1KWKDkGqpld3aITbXeg4FgDKVU

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#1580356
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
Time

Jedi122 said:

It’s very subtle, but it seems that the reason you retimed when Commander Jerjerrod started walking away was because during the wipe, some of the frames were cut as the wipe started to cover him. Very nice catch!

Actually they duplicated frames originally to slow everything down so they had enough frames to cover the wipe. Originally there was no wipe and it cut straight to vader walking through the corridor.

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#1580349
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
Time

That guy with no name said:

adywan said:

The third and final video for this week, as promised.

https://youtu.be/Gy8b1L318Sw

This one, having the original 2020 grading played alongside the new grading may through out the perception of the new colour grade in places, especially with skintones. The 2020 shifts from having an almost fully desaturated image with a heavy blue filter (why the hell is endor suddenly blue?) for the space shots shifting to a more green shifted grade with yellow/ orange skin tones. Subtle colour tones on the Death Star equator mattes have been lost in this new grade, similar to what happened with the 2004 grade. So after watching it in comparison mode, watch it again while covering the top image and you’ll get a better idea of the grade.

And for anyone wondering why the TIE’s are blue in this , well they were blue in this scene and others in 1983 right up until the horrendous 2004 grade ( yes, they were blue in the '97 SE release too) where they became more desaturated and a heavy blue tint added to the picture, and the 2020 grade seems to have gone down that route too but this time eliminated all of the blue colouring, except for the matte shot where they part from the shuttle.

There are about 3 fixes in this video this time around. See if you can spot them all

great! they look beautiful.

the two changes I saw were:
Jabba’s palace door
camera movement retimed before the wipe to tatooine
and maybe you fixed out-of-focus Vader?

Ah, there are 4 fixes then 😉

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#1580345
Topic
STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
Time

The third and final video for this week, as promised.

https://youtu.be/Gy8b1L318Sw

This one, having the original 2020 grading played alongside the new grading may through out the perception of the new colour grade in places, especially with skintones. The 2020 shifts from having an almost fully desaturated image with a heavy blue filter (why the hell is endor suddenly blue?) for the space shots shifting to a more green shifted grade with yellow/ orange skin tones in the Hangar. Vaders belt lights are now suddenly blue in many shots in the 2020 edition too. Subtle colour tones on the Death Star equator mattes have been lost in this new grade, similar to what happened with the 2004 grade. So after watching it in comparison mode, watch it again while covering the top image and you’ll get a better idea of the grade.

And for anyone wondering why the TIE’s are blue in this , well they were blue in this scene and others in 1983 right up until the horrendous 2004 grade ( yes, they were blue in the '97 SE release too) where they became more desaturated and a heavy blue tint added to the picture, and the 2020 grade seems to have gone down that route too but this time eliminated all of the blue colouring, except for the matte shot where they part from the shuttle.

There are about 3 fixes in this video this time around. See if you can spot them all

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#1580138
Topic
STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
Time

Telion said:

As always amazing to see you work come together. Its hard to see the issues in stills by boy when its in motion that static grain hurts. As far as colours though, its nice to see the saturation back, with a beautiful blue sky again. However, I feel like the skin tones are suffering from over yellowing. I know your basing you colours on 4k83 (at least in part) who used original cinema reals to restore from, but I’ve always thought they never accounted for UV exposure in there clean up.
Those reals sat through who know what in the intervining years and weren’t exactly Lucasfilm Archives pristine when they picked them up. Fact is all the skin tones look too yellow, especially when you compare them to the other films, at least on youtube (which Ik doesnt always preserve information the best.
I’m no going to pretend I know anything about colourgrading film, but it doesn’t look right to me, if its not fixable or you don’t agree, thats that.
Anyhow, great to see some ROTJ stuff again, I still think you diserve a chewie medal.

Having the original video play alongside the new grading can really throw the look of the new grade out. I can assure you the skin tones are not yellow shifted. I noticed a trend a while back to add too much green into grading and give skin tones especially that orange, yellow look. The 2020 ROTJ blu-ray really suffers with yellow skin tones in places. Nowadays it seems to be the trend to make the films look dull and desaturated. I hate these looks so i’m not going down that route.

As i have said before, this is just the first stage of the grading. There will be oversaturated parts which then need to be fixed when i get to the shot for shot stage of the grade, but its a necessity to try and recover the lost colour tones.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Adywan, or anybody making an edit of ROTJ, is free to use these:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zlE34aGJd-yL0S_f52YbJwPko4fPAUQb?usp=sharing

If for whatever reason these two particular takes of the line aren’t up to snuff I’ll add more.

Thanks for sharing this. I have just tried it in the sound mix and unfortunately it doesn’t blend in with Vaders vocals in ROTJ. I’m not sure yet if i’m even going to bother altering the “obi-wan once thought…” line. After attempting to re-watch the prequels again recently, i can honestly say that i won’t ever be watching those things again, so altering things in order to fix things that those films created in the first place is not going to be my priority.

Jedi122 said:

Adywan, are you still going to use the News Gothic Bold font used for the titles for The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker for “Return of the Jedi”? Because it seems that Rian Johnson chose the Univers font for The Last Jedi for the same reason it might have been chosen for Return of the Jedi. To make the capital J in “Jedi” more pronounced.

I’m not sure why you would think it bother me what font Rian chose for Last Jedi? I’m only interested in making this trilogies crawls match up. If i wanted Revisited crawls to match the other films in the saga, with the fonts used, then i would need to create several different ones, or redo the other 6 films. A total waste of time. The Revisited saga is 3 films. Their crawls will match. That’s all that i’m concerned about

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Your next look at the grading for ROTJ:R. This scene needed a little more work that the rest because , for some strange reason, the grader over-brightened the image in places to to the point where it almost bleached out parts the picture. But , again, This is just the first stage of grading. I won’t be doing the shot for shot grade to fix any problems until this first pass is completed.

https://youtu.be/C_dSlcxX944?si=81chFLwBLJ5foyJk

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ROTJ:R is back in production.

After over a year i have finally finished restoring the 2020 blu-ray, removing as much of the static grain possible without impacting the detail in the picture. There is some minimal static grain in a few places, but for the most part that problem is gone. I have also replaced a few shots throughout with better quality ones taken from the 2011 blu-ray. These shots were so scrubbed of grain thanks to their algorithm that is removed so much detail in the image and made them really soft. But, thanks to a bit of tinkering with grading an image processing, you won’t really be able to tell that 2 different sources have been used.

It wasn’t an easy task, which is why it took so long and so much work. You can’t just apply digital noise reduction to the image to remove the static grain, or just place a layer of grain on top to try to hide it. Using an all over DNR that would be enough to eliminate the static grain would just destroy the detail in the image and give everything a waxy look or worse. So you have to go shot for shot, creating many layers with different levels of DNR or a level with none at all. Then you have to rotoscope every level in a shot so that foreground objects that don’t require a great amount of grain reduction, or any at all, would not be affected. But faces that have bad static grain then need a different technique. Reducing the grain that is visible on the skin while keeping the original level of detail in the facial features. So you have to rotoscope eyes, eyebrows, nose & mouth to keep those elements intact. Its backgrounds that suffer the most in the 2020 blu-ray and that was a bit of a godsend with the depth of field used in this film. so the backgrounds are out of focus and the only real detail that you perceive was caused by the static grain. this is not the case with all shots though, so that’s what took so much work and took so long. Once this was completed and a layer of minimal grain was added, the static grain problem was no more for the most part.

Here’s a sample you can download that shows a before and after comparison that will give a better example of what i mean by all of this:

https://mega.nz/file/aFtCgRjT#1JfzlVrRnPYYDmISy1rcrAEl4NOzDh9Q_ASjvKJ7Cqs

there are still one or two shots that i’m not 100% happy with, but i can tweak those as i go along. But at least i now have a suitable version to begin this edit.

And thats what i have done this week. I have completed about 5 fixes so far, but at the moment i’m concentrating on the colour grading.

I can’t understand why people rave about the 2020 blu-ray so much. It’s a mess. Not just the static grain and over softened shots, but the grading. Jedi never looked like this. It was vibrant and colourful. Not this flat, almost sepia, desaturated version we got with this release. Its like they heard the complaints with the 2011 releases, about the oversaturated image with the overuse of a blue filter throughout and though " we better do something about this" but when in the completely opposite direction and muted all the blue tones and desaturated the image far beyond what they should have done. It’s horrible. All the high levels have been muted. There’s no definition in the image at all. The bright levels in objects look flat, especially noticeable in skies with clouds. Mids have been raised to brighten the image but have gone overboard in places. Take the scene when the emperor arrives on the Death Star. They have raised the levels in many of the shots in that scene it’s almost blown out the image. What was the grader who worked on this release thinking? . I’ll be posting a comparison video of this scene next week sometime and you can see just how bad it is. But, for now, here’s a sample image comparing the 2020 official grade with the Revisited one…

So the colour grading stage has begun. I’m using the 4k83 & 97SE versions as a rough guide to the grading. Over the next week or so i will be posting 3 comparison videos showing the new grade, so watch out for those. But here’s a little teaser of the first video i will be posting over the weekend…