It’s not that I dislike the title itself, but since you now have to say SW77 or SE97 or whatever I’ve grown to be annoyed by the whole mess.
Fan editors should start inserting SW77, SE97, and GOUT into places like our own THX 1138. 😃
I guess it’s partly because it goes into the pile of revisionism that this site is against but I was kind of surprised how few people here like A New Hope, it’s actually one of my favorite titles out of all of them, so humble for a space epic, if it was a generic sci-fi b movie they would have called it something dumb like Death Star, I like how whimsical and fairy-tale ANH sounds, just very clean to me.
Recently watched TPM on mute, I appreciated it a lot more just by taking it all in visually, so much great design and I could follow the story pretty well despite having not seen it in a long time. I’ve heard another good thing to try if you hate the line delivery is to watch the prequels dubbed in a foreign language with subtitles. Moments still took me out of the movie but they were fewer and farther between, the acting is the biggest fish of the problem, that improves with each prequel.
TPM also I can understand feeling underwhelming to those who really would have preferred to see the characters they already loved in an episode 7, instead it feels like the pilot of a tv series or like the first or second Harry Potter. So it feels like a rejection of the new characters made worse by wooden performances and an overall resistance to change leaving a bad impression. I can admit I just didn’t grow up with these movies first and it does influence my bias, but I’ve come to welcome the prequels to the table when I consider the generation that would actually grow up watching 1-6 in order and don’t have an implicit bias. Anyone is allowed to ignore them but I don’t really think a Gungan is dumber than an Ewok. The way I remember the theatrical releases most people at the time were confused by the sleeker ships and droid technology, and that they wanted to cut to the chase and see Anakin become Darth Vader. But it starts lighthearted and slow and people got impatient. The OT is a classic many fans don’t want tampered with, for some that includes backstory.
Alan Parker dies age 76
RIP, absolutely love Bugsy Malone
Possibly more convexly shaped for the angle, but it looks even better in that candid photo than the 2010 shot! The lighting and color are doing a lot too, I would say just to replace the whole console with 2001’s like you say but I wonder how far that can be taken and if there aren’t trickier shots of Hal from other angles that would throw a total wrench in continuity.
Had a composer suggestion! Sergei Prokofiev has a nice Soviet connection, though I understand some works being in the ‘too famous’ category here.
This is part of the problem comparing 2010 against 2001, it just looks so cheap, look at that chunky HAL it went from menacing to a fisher-price playset.
Here’s what I tried based on that base then trying to move it away from some of the blues in the shadows.
Hope Dre doesn’t mind adding our own passes, it’s just a lot easier for discussion than trying to articulate such slight color changes, I don’t post assuming my grade is better than Dre’s work, I know there’s mistakes, I’m not even working in 10bit, it’s all an iterative process.
Edit: Tried to push even bluer
Excited for this, I’ve only seen one episode of The Mandalorian and it was the Bill Burr bottle episode so I plan to take in the season through this edit first as soon as it’s released, thanks for all the work everyone put in so far!
I am curious about some of the greens there in the shadows on the Derann print, it looks so technicolor even if the reds are a little too hot, is there any more saturation that can be pulled? The bottom right officer looks the most desaturated looking at the red and blue on his uniform.
EDIT: I may have gone too far in a few places…
The movie should have always been Lando in the first place, Donald Glover was reaching the peak of his fame, all stars aligned, for those that don’t remember This Is America dropped the same month as Solo. The character of Lando is much more flexible and organic to make a prequel about than Han who is more narratively fixed and tightly married to the specific mannerisms of Ford that made audiences reject Ehrenreich’s interpretation as cheap imitation.
I really don’t have a problem with E.T. or Jar-Jar being childlike because both are for children, it’s much better to me than infantile ‘edgy’ characters that pander to 12 year olds as mature or dark like Vincent Valentine from Final Fantasy, or Carnage from Spider-Man.
My take on that is that JJ and Terrio rewrote and reshot so much that the scenes that ended up getting deleted didn’t really match the rest of the film.
This. I can’t think of examples off the top of my head, but I’ve seen deleted scenes from multiple films throughout my life that were clearly deleted, rewritten, and refilmed before the rest of the movie was set in stone, menaing that deleted scene no longer can function in any version of the film since the scenes that supported it (or that it set up) were never filmed.
That’s got to be the situation for RO, Solo, and TROS - these movies were clearly so much in flux during filming that most of the scenes that were cut are so incompatible with the remaining scenes that they probably start subplots that were never finished, or include characters that no longer exist (Matt Smith, anyone?), and Disney doesn’t want to show just how much changes happened during and after filming, so they just skipped on including any deleted scenes.
I imagine we’ll see them eventually. Once having demonstrable evidence of how much tinkering was actually done can no longer negatively affect revenue in a significant way.
This is how I feel too, it’s not so much that there is some alternative cut no more than DotF is an alternative movie, but what people are curious about are all and any potential changes made to the story.
I like your suggestion to use more Soviet composers to fit with the theme and Khachaturian is probably the right choice. But I don’t think you actually should turn away from using very famous classical works if the tracks are appropriate, it may actually be preferred if you can apply a piece famous enough that would be recognized and symbolically used for a reference.
Did you raise some of the pinks to get more of the color in the off white panels? R2 on tatooine looks great, 3P0 looks great.
Where can I get this?
Ha that would be interesting, but would surely require more work, maybe a season 2? hmmmmmmm…
2001: A Space Odyssey, Stanley Kubrick’s 1968 sci-fi epic, has a runtime of 142 minutes and is worth every second. If you’ve never seen it before I highly recommend you do so and experience it first as intended in its full, uninterrupted, feature length.
With that out of the way this edit has a very basic goal: what if 2001: A Space Odyssey originally aired as a 5 part mini-series?
There is no official cut list as nothing was really cut save for the original overture and intermission, some of which gets repurposed during the credits of individual episodes, credits have been rearranged and sped up to be more modern like a television show, some removed until the very end. In episode 2 a shot of HAL is added to more smoothly transition the close of that episode, the opening shot serves as a title card, every episode closes with the MGM logo. I also removed any reference to cinerama as technically none of us are viewing it in cinerama. 😉
I didn’t set out to change 2001 as much as re-contextualize it. Would it be easier to digest and understand in smaller bites rather than one long film? Emphasize key moments in the story? Overall by breaking the film apart and giving each episode a title card and its own credits I wanted it to feel authentic as a mini-series, while also remaining true to the original film.
Episode titles and lengths are as follows:
The Dawn of Man - 32:26
A Trip to the Moon - 32:00
A Game of Chess - 26:12
Sorry Dave - 29:22
Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite - 31:54
This is a very minor edit but I thought I’d share it anyway, if enough people enjoy it maybe I’ll redo a version in the future using a higher quality source file. Originally this was done more on a whim just to see if splitting the movie like this would play in a satisfying way, and I had a lot of fun putting it together. PM me for links and thank you for reading!
This feels like DLC, glad whoever is excited is excited, but a hard pass from me.
That makes sense and looks like what I’m seeing in references and the SSE as well (which has a somewhat desaturated look but almost no green cast).
Yes that sort of mint green was what I was looking for! Also their sleeves seemed like they should be a bit more yellow/green than such a rich blue, extremely tricky to drag out that beige mixed with the more blue/green walls, especially the way I did using the compressed pre-graded frame as base. Those saturated examples really show off the subtleties in tone! Maybe part of what I’m looking for is higher saturation and color separation?
Here’s the current status of the color grading:
So all these tantive shots really started to make my brain itch to the point I had to make a go at one shot just to get it out of my head, still don’t think I got it quite right but keeping in mind all the elements with regards to the teal walls and the technicolor this is where I landed.
Serious respect to you Dre, I could feel my mind unravel trying to work out this puzzle, taking on the whole movie would make my head spin.
Sounds a bit like the dark side version of going to meet the Wizard of Oz.
Looking fantastic, all the Threepio shots look so great. Not sure if my eyes need to adjust but skin tone on Leia in front of the troopers looks a little muted and slightly green to me, everything else I’m on board with!
Relevant links:
Mike Verta - Sharp or Grainy?
Steve Yedlin - Resolution Demo Parts 1&2
EDIT: thought this might also be useful: Sandcrawler - 4K77 vs. Legacy comparison
Did a quick page flip to skim for The Dark Knight in case it was already mentioned because it felt like a cliche to say it by now but TDK is massively overrated.*
EDIT: *adding the obvious to say Heath Ledger did a great job and that overrated doesn’t mean total ass
