That’s about how I feel RogueLeader, and still I wonder how the audience would have felt if TLJ was the first of a more tonally cohesive sequel trilogy, I know I would have forgiven (even welcomed!) more of the execution if I knew it was just the beginning and not the penultimate episode.
Grass is always greener for sure, as much as the concept art looks fun some of these script leaks are not. I’m seeing the same flat pandering lines that would have been just as forced if we ended up with this version plus or minus a few bright spots.
These complaints need some variety, remember that pendant Rose had made of some special alloy that DJ used to hotwire the ship or whatever? That was pretty contrived and lame, huh?
I think now that the trilogy has come to a close the reflection can finally begin, so now in contrast to the whole of what we have and not what might have been even for those like myself who dislike TLJ as a whole, it might have been the best we got, but then for me to say it’s the best is sort of a half truth that reminds me of the prequels.
If Rey has to be a somebody I’m still team clone over team Palpatine by a mile.
There is something to be said for seeing it from the other side, that’s not a bad way to behave especially if you’re giving something an honest second chance. I think a lot has to be said also for the influence of just the amount of behind the scenes there are for the prequels, a lot of the craftsmanship in its fine detail and thoughtful consideration gets to shine isolated from the whole.
The guillotine is too silly but there’s compelling stuff for sure, I mostly feel like by comparison it looks like it has much more in the way of variety in setting than TROS.
As long as I get to be snarky about it so I come out on top!
I actually really wanted to see the Oracle, I was guessing it was mostly something of a cipher to extend the explanation or at least draw out the Palpatine reveal which they decided to cut for time. Here are some leaked concept images that show as much, doesn’t look like too many changes as much as trims.
The medium is the message.
I think Revenge of the Sith proves both paths are options in a given story, still the series shouldn’t be without a hero exactly or wholly reject redemption as a been there done that, the themes are too universal. For me Star Wars is a lot about trust and agency, so Star Wars should be about good and evil and making the right choices in that way, as long as the characters who fail to do so are represented as having tragically failed, Kylo for example wouldn’t have to be turned good but would need to be tortured deep down to remain bad without breaking the ultimate moral.
I agree the expectations going in were what led to the weak opening, the word of mouth is what’s inspired more recent talk of possibly not making a billion.
Star Wars, the trench run is a masterclass in editing, while it shows the most technical cracks of the three it only reinforces just how amazing it can be, I fall in love with it more every time.
I don’t want to clog up this thread with off topic discussion but since this is where most of the lightspeed skipping thoughts are I wanted to follow up with just a few more of my own. I think the concept is self explanatory, it doesn’t actually need any extra setup, what I find missing is the payoff. Just brainstorming here but I think the falcon should have found its way to Exegol through skipping, that way it’s more than just a one and done flashy action scene, instead it would serve the story. That’s the bigger issue for me more than any kind of break in logic, I don’t care if the numbers don’t add up, I just want the elements to interact in a satisfying way.
Now to pay my unreserved love tax: I loved babu frik, even when I thought I’d hate him instead he’s the most successful new alien for me in the new movies so far.
somehow my ‘canon-brain’ experienced TROS as if I’d been living in seclusion for 40 years and TROS just happened to be the sequel to some amazing movies I hadn’t seen yet. This probably sounds insane!
It really doesn’t, this feeling absolutely resonates with me as well and overall I feel like each of the three movies have that quality when viewed in isolation that improves the experience more than watching the trilogy as a whole. Glad you had the experience you did! It’s refreshing to see from OT fans.
I agree with the room for improvement but I also liked lightspeed skipping…
Fair enough, I think the Snyder Cut actually does show how far fan support can influence considering if it was always in the cards I agree it would be out already, instead there have been a lot of hints about its release on streaming later this year though I’ll eat my words if that never comes to pass. Even still I look at Sonic and Deadpool as instances which had higher ups change their tune and reverse a decision, not verbatim released to extended but proof of fan influence, other extended cuts I think are more of an acceptable excuse or “out” to allow Lucasfilm to potentially release one while maintaining dignity and without admission of guilt.
This breaks down along the idea that extended/director’s cuts only happen because the audience asks for it. That’s not usually how that sort of thing happens, it’s not a supply/demand sort of deal for the most part.
The times they are a changin’. I made the thread because the demand is there and Hollywood does seem to respond when there is significant demand (not that this is a form of petition or any call to action), the means might be unconventional but not unprecedented in the social media age.
The whole reason we’re even discussing the possibility is tied to a single Saltier Than Crait post that is fairly ridiculous, and supported by an unsourced, unverified report from a heretofore unheard of “news” site nobody knows anything about that is also ridiculous in its own way.
Again no, or not my intention at least, I didn’t start this thread as confirmation of anything or a reaction to any news I read, that’s actually why I posted so early after release. More of a prediction coming from a hunch as to where they play their next move. It seems very likely from even casual observation that among other things TROS was at least somewhat hacked in the edit, an extended cut is what’s on a lot of fans’ minds and I’m sure Lucasfilm is looking closer than we might expect. Nothing is ever concrete enough the tide cannot turn, the real magic trick is when a studio makes you think everything ended up exactly as they had planned in the first place.
Rumors are starting to circulate about an extended cut being released to theaters toward the end of the month:
THE 192 MINUTE J.J. ABRAMS RISE OF SKYWALKER CUT IS COMING SOONER THAN YOU THINKIt breaks down to this:
- An extended version of The Rise of Skywalker will be announced in the coming week, releasing near the end of January, and including 3-5 additional sequences fit into the narrative. This should bring the cut up from 142 minutes to about 165 minutes.
- Rumored sequences to be included in this cut involve an extended Endor sequence that occurs before the final shot in the current film, Lobot and Lando in a sequence that predates the chase in the desert, and a slew of ghost Jedis returning alongside Luke and Leia and participating in the final sequence to unseat the Emperor.
- This new cut will be simply treated as an Extended Cut, and will include a post-credits sequence highlighting additional sequences that will be released with the official Blu Ray release of The Rise of Skywalker which will have a special J.J. Abrams Director’s Cut version of the film at 185 minutes.
- When The Rise of Skywalker enters the streaming window exclusively on Disney Plus it will include an additional 7 minutes of extra footage that didn’t get finished in post production as a part of its exclusive run on the streaming upstart.
Quoting here for relevance.
Gentle nudge to discuss those rumors in this thread I made about a possible extended cut…
I agree it really undercuts Luke and Han’s development for them to have failed in the same ways they seemed to grow from like relapsed addicts. Just wanted to add again why it’s also different for me when Luke has seen firsthand the living proof of Vader and all the destruction he’s caused he still says he cannot kill him to Obi-Wan, and then to Vader, so it yes for me it is extremely abrupt to the point of whiplash when Luke reacts to his defenseless nephew’s dream. Maybe if it were depicted visually as a premonition it would have sold better for me, but I feel like I’m just taking his word for it that the thoughts were seriously super bad, I don’t know it just doesn’t seem organic at all.
EDIT: I typed all that out just to see Dre’s post already covered it haha
I wish I was better at ignoring these threads. Reading these same eternal recurring discussions is tiresome.
Hey, it’s still better than watching the news.
It’s actually a lesser mistake, considering the first time he tried to save one of his genocidal relatives he kicked the hell out of him and then cut his hand off before just barely managing to stop himself from delivering the killing blow.
This never tracked with me, I think it conflates wildly different circumstances, a young Luke already being hunted in active combat is not the same to me as an old Luke reading the thoughts of his sleeping nephew. I was fine with the backstory of how Luke failed Ben being ambiguous and I wish it stayed that way, when the truth is revealed it still for me feels so abrupt and Luke seems barely nudged into going 0-100, again it’s not that I hate Luke failing thematically or turning away from the force but the ultimate written explanation is where I just can’t make that leap.
I guess this is where we eventually get to our own fanedits and personal headcanon, I want to agree it’s probably best to consider TLJ in the standalone category, but a few establishing pieces might need to be added from TFA for it to truly work and make sense to the blind viewer. The ending as ambiguous is fine, ha maybe the ultimate subversion would be that we never did get a definitive conclusion and are left to wonder, definitely a meta take, makes it more fun to me in theory.