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#1427476
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Maybe I missed an announcement or a leak at some point but I was quite (positively) surprised at the 75 min. runtime of the first episode today. As for the story itself, it was pretty much what I expected, but I do in no way mean that as a negative. I like how it’s already feeling a lot like an eight season of TCW while still being it’s own thing.

MINOR SPOILER:
As a side note, I think it’s interesting how it re-wrote the moment from the Kaanan comics a few years back when Caleb witness the clones turn on his master. It’s technically not all that different; it’s mostly just the tone and setting that changed, but I’m glad that they’re not being too uptight about canon. I’d much rather have Filoni tell his story rather than have them force him to recreate a moment from a comic down to every little detail. Plus, I really enjoy watching Filoni’s corner of the EU connect like this, while at the same time you can easily watch The Bad Batch without having seen Rebels.

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#1427241
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The new Star Wars comics - general discussion thread
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screams in the void said:

ZkinandBonez said:

jedi_bendu said:

screams in the void said:

while I am not a big fan of the current Marvel Star Wars comics , I do find this interesting

Out of curiosity, what do you generally not like about them? Most of the reaction I’ve seen to Marvel’s sw comics has been positive; the recent Vader and Kanan comic series in particular are really popular.

If you don’t mind me butting in;
This all depends greatly on who you ask. Some people really hate the new SW Marvel comics with a passion, while most people I follow online seem quite indifferent to them. I personally stopped paying attention a while ago, finding it to just be too much and not being too impressed overall. Don’t get me wrong, some of it’s been great. I actually think Charles Soule’s Vader series is up there with the best SW comics of all time, but the rest has been quite average I feel. There might be a generational thing as well, and/or a feeling that the tone of the new comics aren’t all that consistent. I tried reading the Aphra series, and while it was fine enough, I just never got the hype. It just seemed kind of dull to me. As for the main series following Luke and the other OT characters, it just doesn’t fell like the OT at all, and the characterization feels off to. It lacks that old serial charm, and instead feels like it takes itself way too serious. Maybe that’s why the Vader series has worked so well (though I personally thought he art in the first run by Larroca was pretty bad).

I also think that the new comics, regardless of what you think of the art, writing, etc. feel so much more pointless nowadays. Before there were multiple cartoons and live-action series the EU existed in novels and comics, yet both of these mediums feel more like filler than anything of consequence, so that might be a factor for a lot of fans as well.

^ yeah , I agree with most of this ,and I will add that most modern comics don’t really do much for me when they are 5 to 6 bucks for a single issue that can be read in five minutes as opposed to the original Marvel Star Wars which had narrative captions that enhanced the stories for me . Same goes for most of the 80s comics I read . Back then , four issues were the equivalent of a full movie for me , as each was about a half hour read . Plus , they had the benefit of doing things that movies can’t really do ( kind of hard for me to explain , for the best idea of what I am talking about , read the book Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud ) .

I completely forgot about the ridiculous prices they demand nowadays. I know times change, but taking comics away from comic racks in regular stores (or the equivalent of this) was a huge mistake. Spending 4 dollars each month on what feels more like a standalone scene in a larger narrative than a complete story or “episode” just doesn’t feel worth it, especially when you either have to buy them digitally or go to specialized stores. The latter of which aren’t always an option at all if you don’t live in a large city (this goes double if you live outside America or the UK).

I’m also quite tired of obvious padding for the trades. Some writers do this much better than others, but even then you might as well wait until the TPB. Funnily enough I think Chares Soule has been a good example of both approaches. I enjoyed his Vader series because, among many other reasons, each issue felt like a satisfactory read. Not as self-contained as older comics were, but enough that I didn’t mind waiting a month. is Lando series on the other hand, although I did think the end result was fine, felt like it was two issues too long. Had this story been told in the 80’ s I think they might have managed to even squeeze it into one issue, but he could have easily have told it in three and not lost a single story beat.

Either modern comics need to return to their roots and get single issues back into grocery stores and the like, or they need to commit to the trades and adopt a more French/Belgian approach with each writer/artist team making just a couple of large graphic novels per year.

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#1427117
Topic
The new Star Wars comics - general discussion thread
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jedi_bendu said:

screams in the void said:

while I am not a big fan of the current Marvel Star Wars comics , I do find this interesting

Out of curiosity, what do you generally not like about them? Most of the reaction I’ve seen to Marvel’s sw comics has been positive; the recent Vader and Kanan comic series in particular are really popular.

If you don’t mind me butting in;
This all depends greatly on who you ask. Some people really hate the new SW Marvel comics with a passion, while most people I follow online seem quite indifferent to them. I personally stopped paying attention a while ago, finding it to just be too much and not being too impressed overall. Don’t get me wrong, some of it’s been great. I actually think Charles Soule’s Vader series is up there with the best SW comics of all time, but the rest has been quite average I feel. There might be a generational thing as well, and/or a feeling that the tone of the new comics aren’t all that consistent. I tried reading the Aphra series, and while it was fine enough, I just never got the hype. It just seemed kind of dull to me. As for the main series following Luke and the other OT characters, it just doesn’t fell like the OT at all, and the characterization feels off to. It lacks that old serial charm, and instead feels like it takes itself way too serious. Maybe that’s why the Vader series has worked so well (though I personally thought he art in the first run by Larroca was pretty bad).

I also think that the new comics, regardless of what you think of the art, writing, etc. feel so much more pointless nowadays. Before there were multiple cartoons and live-action series the EU existed in novels and comics, yet both of these mediums feel more like filler than anything of consequence, so that might be a factor for a lot of fans as well.

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#1423721
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The Original Trilogy <strong>Trailers/Promos</strong> Video Thread (YouTube/Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

screams in the void said:

^ Thank you for updating this thread and the Betamax thread so the thumbnail shows ,I wasn’t sure how to gt it to show up .

No problem, though I didn’t really update your post much, I just added the ON-TV logo from wikipedia (the YouTube thumbnail was a bit odd looking). But I did add another video showing the ON-TV premiere of ANH in 1982 which I found from the same uploader.

BTW, it can be a tad convoluted, but I explained how you can post the YouTube thumbnails here.

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#1423694
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The Original Trilogy <strong>box set releases</strong> on home video tape: 1988 to 2000…
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NORWAY

EDIT: Not technically Box sets, but they were sold as a ‘set’ of sorts:

1995 - Fullscreen

https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vanhfullscrno.htm

“The 1995 THX remasters were issued in both Widescreen and Pan&Scan editions in Norway. These reissues were produced in vast numbers and I remember them littering the discount bins even after the 1997 special edition tapes were released two years later.”

Interestingly this was apparently the first proper release of the films in Norway. The only previous edition I’ve found information about online were a rental-only release in 1983.

These photos are from my own collection and were the tapes I had as a kid. I got these in late 1999 after I’d seen TPM and the SE editions of the OT. I asked my mother if she’d get me the films and she got me these tapes from a used comics and video store and it’s thanks to this that I grew up with the original versions of the OT and not the SE (which I didn’t see again until I got the 2004 DVD set).

1995 - Widescreen

https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vno1995anh.htm

“At the time only the first movie was planned for a digital upgrade thus the “last time available” sticker was only found on this tape.”


https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vno1995esb.htm


https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vno1995rotj.htm


2000 - Special Edition Widescreen

https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vtrilogybox2000.htm

“The transparent slipcase holds a box with three tapes in cardboard sleeves. While cardboard sleeves are common in the US, they are rarely seen on Norwegian releases. This box (with minor local variations) was used on all releases both US and internationally. In Norway, this set was only released in Widescreen, but not noted as such on the slipcase.”


https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vtrilogybox2000anh.htm



https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vtrilogybox2000esb.htm



https://www.swonvideo.com/vhs/vtrilogybox2000rotj.htm



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#1423654
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The <strong>random YouTube / Vimeo etc video finds</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
Time

ON-TV Star Wars Pay-Per-View special event promo (September 25th 1982)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo8WK8N7EmM - from the IntermissionSociety YouTube channel (50 sec long).

The blurb:
“From September 1982. Promo for the “one time only” special event pay-per-view broadcast of the original Star Wars on pay TV subscription service.”

BTW, I’ve posted both this and the previous video in the OT Trailers & Promos thread as well.

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#1423653
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The Original Trilogy on Betamax (Beta)
Time

Here’s the 1982 ON-TV premiere promo.

ON-TV Star Wars Pay-Per-View special event promo (September 25th 1982)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo8WK8N7EmM - from the IntermissionSociety YouTube channel (50 sec long).

The blurb:
“From September 1982. Promo for the “one time only” special event pay-per-view broadcast of the original Star Wars on pay TV subscription service.”

BTW, I’ve posted both this and the previous video in the OT Trailers & Promos thread as well.

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#1423652
Topic
The Original Trilogy <strong>Trailers/Promos</strong> Video Thread (YouTube/Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

ON-TV Star Wars Pay-Per-View special event promo (September 25th 1982)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo8WK8N7EmM - from the IntermissionSociety YouTube channel (50 sec long).

The blurb:
“From September 1982. Promo for the “one time only” special event pay-per-view broadcast of the original Star Wars on pay TV subscription service.”


Originally posted in the The Original Trilogy on Betamax thread by screams in the void.

ON-TV Star Wars Up Next & Star Trek II Premiere promos (1983)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jtuh8Sz9JY - from the IntermissionSociety YouTube channel (1:09 mins long).

The blurb:
“Pair of promos for Star Wars and the future broadcast premiere of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan on Pay TV subscription service.”

screams in the void said (from the Betamax thread):

" VCRs did existed as far back as 1975 - and many people did ‘record’ the showings of Star Wars on TV onto a blank tape when the film was eventually aired on tv back in 1982 in the US (via PPV; something which only half a million people could access at the time)."

I was one of the lucky ones who got to see it on ppv ( pay per view ). My folks had a subscription to the on-tv ppv service out of Chicago. The box was in their bedroom, so I could only watch it in there, though my older brothers and I could see the scrambled signal on the downstairs TV, which we got great amusement from watching late at night 😃 Sadly we did not have a VCR at that time, as they were indeed very expensive. Here is an ad for the ON-TV Star Wars premiere that someone recorded back in the day and uploaded to YouTube, also featuring The Wrath Of Khan premiere, which is how I first saw that movie. The video says 1983, but it was in fact 1982 when Star Wars premiered on ON-TV

more info about the ON-TV service…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ON_TV_(TV_network)

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#1423530
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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fmalover said:

Not the first time I’ve heard about it, but yes, I’m a huge fan of the idea of the Force being inherently evil, which would explain why dark side powers are much more awesome than light side powers.

I’m pretty sure Lucas would argue that destruction doesn’t qualify as true power. That’s kind of the whole point of the SW movies. Heck, the OT even ends with Luke choosing not to fight.

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#1423267
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The <strong>random YouTube / Vimeo etc video finds</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
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NeverarGreat said:

I’m unsure why he gave the sled skis instead of repulsors. I mean, sure, it has skis on set, but that’s presumably just so it could be pulled around. I don’t see any greebling on the skis and in universe, it looks like it would use standard speeder technology.

Well, there are vehicles in the SW universe that use both wheels and tank-treads, so I guess he figured why not? Plus, I suppose it could still use repulsors of some kind to propel it.

Also, there’s this exchange between Han and the Deck Officer in ESB explaining why they use Tauntauns;
“Are the speeders ready?”
“Not yet. We’re having some trouble adapting them to the cold.”

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#1422993
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The <strong>random YouTube / Vimeo etc video finds</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
Time

The Unsung Hero of Hoth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa3vDAB47f4 - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (3 mins long)

The blurb:
“This obscure vehicle has been hiding in The Empire Strikes Back under our noses from the very beginning. Unfortunately, this awesome little vehicle has only gotten minimal recognition. Time to change that!”

Previous EC Henry restoration and redesign videos posted in this thread:

The Secret CORELLIAN CORVETTE in Return of the Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhalNJJPc3o - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (7:40 mins long)

The blurb:
“For almost 4 decades, a secret Corellian Corvette variant has been hiding in plain sight in Return of the Jedi. Join us on an exciting exploration of this ship, including a fan interpretation of the ship brought to life!”

The Secret Mystery TIE FIGHTER in Return of the Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYpbVrXFSqQ&t - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (6:45 mins long)

The blurb:
“We might think that we’ve seen every ship in Star Wars… but there are always new discoveries! In this case, possibly an entirely new variant of TIE fighter.”

Making a Civilian T-47 Snowspeeder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xqUbRKrjUo - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (4 mins long).

The blurb:
“The snowspeeder is an iconic Star Wars vehicle, but canonically it was developed from a stock civilian airspeeder. In this video, I design what that might look like.”

The Most Obscure Rebel Ship in Star Wars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeA777Ru7aI - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (10 mins long)

The blurb:
“So many canonical Original Trilogy ships have been totally forgotten by official Star Wars media. It’s my goal to restore them all to their rightful place!”

Three Rebel Ships That Star Wars Forgot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5b0cxF8HOE - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (6 mins long)

The blurb:
"You might think you know every ship in the Rebel Alliance fleet, but there are ships in the original Star Wars trilogy that have somehow evaded detection for decades. I’ve brought three Rebel “mystery ships” to life. "

The Ugliest Rebel Ship You’ve NEVER Heard of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsLocVDui6Y - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (5 mins long)

The blurb:
"It’s amazing that there are canonical ships in the original Star Wars trilogy that are completely neglected. Come explore a completely unexplored ship of the Rebel Alliance! "

The Mon Cal Cruiser You Never Knew Existed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtozC1NLZY8 - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (6 mins long)

The blurb:
“Star Wars is full of mysterious ships that for some reason have never been acknolwedged by canon. I explore one such ship today!”

The IMPERIAL Nebulon-B Frigate (Fan design)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz13rwQpUd4&t - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (9 mins long)

The blurb:
“The Nebulon-B has long been considered a Rebel vessel, but canonically this frigate was originally an Imperial vessel. I took on the challenge of creating what that might have looked like.”

TIE Shuttle’s TRUE FORM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPVxrKCUGg - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (2:40 mins long)

The blurb:
“Star Wars has no shortage of TIE variants. We’ve all been told that the TIE shuttle is essentially just one ship re-purposed as another. But… the truth is a little more interesting! Let’s explore the TIE Shuttle’s true form!”

The ORIGINAL Star Destroyer: Colin Cantwell’s Design Reborn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZLAtGu3-98&list=PLYn2a0e2FVIKni_wHXR5CJYBnnnYH7mIB&index=146&t - from the EC Henry YouTube channel (5 mins long)

The blurb:
“Many fans of Star Wars don’t know the name Colin Cantwell, but they should. He designed almost every ship in the original film, including the Star Destroyer, which began its life as a very interesting design. Let’s explore that design and maybe we can bring it to life.”

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#1422625
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show
Time

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2021/04/obi-wan-kenobi-series-set-video-gives-up-close-look-at-physical-structures.html

“An up-close drive-through video of the Obi-Wan Kenobi series set gives an incredibly detailed look at a lot of the physical buildings and structures built for the Disney Plus show at its Southern California location.”

Not super interesting TBH. About what you’d expect from a Tatooine set.

PS. Beware of very loud music when clicking the play button on the video.


BTW, is no one going to talk about the fact that this series has an actress who’s last name is Kessell (albeit with two L’s)?

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#1422232
Topic
What do you LIKE about the EU?
Time

JadedSkywalker said:

Just got my Boxtree first printing of Dark Empire it is slightly less tall than the us edition also on lousy quality non glossy paper. Very disappointed. The only positive is the content is identical to the first US printing, but it looks so muddy i feel like i wasted 25 dollars. In fact its on worse paper than the original run of comics of which i own the first edition of issue #1. Now i’m tempted to get the Epic Collection from Marvel to compare.

Why would you want glossy paper for something that wasn’t originally printed on glossy paper?

I haven’t read the boxtree edition of DE so I can’t really tell how “muddy” it is compared to the original issues, and it’s obviously a flaw if it’s worse, but I don’t see how glossy paper is necessarily the “solution”. I own the Norwegian translation of DE from the late 90’s and they were printed on fairly pulpy paper and I’d say that’s quite appropriate for the series and probably what quite close to Cam Kennedy had in mind while doing the colours. That is unless the original six issue run was done on something fancy like Baxter paper? I know there was a lot of experimenting done at that time.

You might want to get a hold of The 2003 TPB. It is on fairly glossy paper, and I personally think it looks artificially bright, but it’s a lot better IMO than a lot of modern Marvel reprints which always seem excessively bright and cheaply printed to me (i.e. the ink easily smudges, etc).

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#1422218
Topic
What is the best way to watch Clone Wars (2003)
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I have no idea about the differences in quality, but the idea of watching it in 1 hour blocks sounds kind of exhausting to me. Keep in mind that the first two seasons (or “volumes” as they call them for some reason) were made up out of less than 5 minute long shorts jam-packed with action. Seriously, a lot happens in these shorts. There is sort of a single story told throughout the first two volumes, at least as far as Anakin and Obi-Wan is concerned, but there’s a lot of filler shorts as well. Volume 3 is much more like a regular cartoon with 20 minute episodes and tells two parallel stories just prior to the events of ROTS.

I don’t know where you can watch it as a series of shorts or episodes as the YouTube versions also combines everything into one movie. However, if the D+ version is anything like the YT version it should be fairly obvious when each short ends and the next one begins.

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#1422061
Topic
<strong>Jedi Knight</strong> games | Dark Forces, JK: DFII, JK: MOTS, JKII: Jedi Outcast, JK: Jedi Academy
Time

Some of the favourite SW-related moments from childhood is watching my older brother play Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy, and later playing them myself.

There was a point in my early teens where I no longer had access to the full games but only the demo of Jedi Academy and I played that demo so many times that I basically figured out every game exploit and glitches that were possible in the two available levels. Let’s just say there’s a lot of weird stuff you can do to these games if you’re a bored teen with too much time on his hands, and it got even weirder once I got my hands on the full games again. I still have my old save files and some of them are practically works of abstract art.

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#1422060
Topic
<strong>Shadows Of The Empire</strong> : Lucasfilm's mid-to-late 1990's EU multimedia project
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I’m too young to remember this, but I did get into SW just a few years later in 1999 so there was still plenty of SotE stuff around. The comic series was the first EU material I ever read, followed by Dark Empire, both of which I borrowed from my older brother.

I read the Steve Perry novel many years later and I feel that it doesn’t get quite the attention it deserves. Sure it’s hardly one of the absolutely greatest SW novels ever written, though I would say it’s definitely among the best of the 90’s. I also think it’s a great starting point for people interested in SW novels as it’s so directly tied to the plot of the OT, plus it’s a lot easier to read one novel than have to commit to a series or trilogy right off the bat.

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#1421637
Topic
<strong>Disney+</strong> streaming platform : <strong>Star Wars content</strong> &amp; various other info
Time

These shows are either region locked or given different release dates for different locations, because I just checked my D+ account in Norway and I couldn’t find any of them.

BTW, has anyone looked at The Story of the Faithful Wookiee? I’m curious about which version it is. Is it the “normal version” that’s been on YouTube for a while now or the slightly extended version with the fake alien commercial breaks?

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#1421359
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

The Virtual Production of The Mandalorian, Season Two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gX4N5rDYeQ - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (7 mins long).

The blurb:
“For the second season of Lucasfilm’s hit Disney+ series, The Mandalorian, Industrial Light & Magic reengineered their StageCraft virtual production platform rolling out version 2.0 in which ILM introduced among other things, Helios, Industrial Light & Magic’s first cinematic render engine designed for real-time visual effects. Engineered from the ground up with film and television production in mind, Helios offers incredible performance, high fidelity real-time ray tracing, the ability to rip through scenes of unparalleled complexity, all while leveraging ILM’s unrivaled color science, and was designed from the start to work seamlessly with ILM StageCraft.
The purpose-built, production-hardened platform allows filmmakers to explore new ideas, communicate concepts, and execute shots in a collaborative and flexible production environment.”

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#1420263
Topic
What do you LIKE about the EU?
Time

JadedSkywalker said:

I like Dark Empire. It was just reprinted by Marvel, and looks to be the definitive printing.

I won’t know if it is as good as the original printing in terms of paper quality until my copy arrives.

I found that my first edition is ruined by a coffee stain, and i cannot afford to replace it. So i assume the newest printing will do.

I don’t own any original 1991 copies of Dark Empire, but I assumed they were printed on newsprint paper?

I only own the 2003 TPB (in English anyway) which is very nice though a tad too “bright” IMO (as most modern reprints tend to be). The newsprint used for the Norwegian issues I’ve had since I was kid however really does the dark-colours of Cam Kennedy’s art proper justice.

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#1420015
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Making-Of Documentaries - YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds
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The only making-of I’ve seen that is just about as weird and disjointed as the film (and director) it’s about.

Ciao, Federico! (1970) - The Making of ‘Fellini Satyricon’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGxHCB1KBMo - from the Cinematographers on cinematography YouTube channel (1 hour long).

The blurb:
“This documentary film was produced by Gideon Bachmann in 1970. It features various clips from archival interviews with the legendary Italian director as well as plenty of archival footage from the shooting of Fellini Satyricon.”

IMDB link

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#1418429
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

Behind the Magic: The Visual Effects of The Mandalorian Season 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb6Aww3LIDE - from the official ILMVFX YouTube channel (3:30 mins long).

The blurb:
“Visual effects work on The Mandalorian was completed in all five of ILM’s studios (San Francisco, Singapore, Vancouver, London, and Sydney) as well as a contingent of other vendors under ILM’s supervision. The season’s 8 episodes encompassed nearly 5,000 visual effects shots in addition to all of ILM’s real-time effects work done for use during principal photography. The effects team leveraged virtually every trick in the book, from miniatures and motion control to traditional puppeteering, advanced animatronics, spectacular special effects, and photo-real CG. Here’s a sampling of ILM’s post visual effects work done for the series that garnered ILM 13 Visual Effects Society Award nominations.”