ZkinandBonez

I too have often found that people tend to misremember Vader the most when it comes to OT characters (I wonder if the Marvel comics might have had something to do with this?). That’s not to say he isn’t also calm, or perhaps ‘restrained’ is a better word, in the OT, but anger was obviously an important part of what made up the dark side of the Force from very early on. The proto-Vader character of Valorum in the early drafts was actually much more PT Anakin-like in many aspects. I will however say that OT Vader was definitely more calm than he was in ROTS, which makes sense as he’s much older and more experienced later on. That’s a thing that I really liked about Charles Soule’s Vader comic is that he shows Vader gradually becoming less ROTS-like and more like the OT version throughout the series (I haven’t read the following Vader comics so I can’t comment on those). Though either era of Vader is a far cry from the unhinged rage of Kylo Ren in the ST, but I do agree that suggesting that he was always calm in the OT is blatantly misremembering what he was actually like in the OT.

benduwan said:

yes,i know this all…
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Guide-to-Star-Wars-Documentaries-and-Special-Features/id/75409
so i should say maybe the last 15 years of behind the scene stuff (web uploads, tv specials or so…)
from ep 1 - 9,solo,RO,Mando…

Ah, I see. Well, maybe you’ll find something interesting on this thread:
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
It has playlists to all the prequel webisodes, a lot of YouTube featurettes for the Disney era movies, and ABC News documentary on sound in Star Wars, etc. Plenty of Clone Wars and Rebels stuff and a few The Mandalorian videos.
There’s also this thread:
General Star Wars Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Pretty much all of these documentaries are TV specials covering either an individual (like George Lucas or Mark Hamill) or focused on Star Wars as a phenomenon. Most of these were made within the last 25 years or so.

Rodney-2187 said:

I’m wondering if the pandemic affected the documentary. I really liked everyone sitting around the table last season.

Possibly, but they might just have felt that it wasn’t necessary for this 1 hour format. Since season 1 was so groundbreaking it made sense to make multiple episodes and have a “roundtable discussion” with the creators and cast discussing everything in detail. I obviously wouldn’t have complained about getting more, but I thought it was a nice and succinct summary of season 2 that covered all of the most important points. That is other than the exclusion of the Luke scene, but that was most likely to avoid leaks.

benduwan said:

hello
i search star wars making of´s not released on any media (LD,Bluray,VHS,DVD…and so far)
from all star wars movies include the mandalorien.
NO fanmades.
help would be appreciate.
thanks

My thread YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy making-ofs, documentaries, promos, etc. has several making ofs that were never released on any home media.

For example:

Michel Parbot’s “The Making of The Empire Strikes Back”:
This one’s quite good, but I don’t think it was ever broadcast. A lot of the footage was repurposed for other programs though.

Some other favourites of mine are:

BBC’s The Risk Business (Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back)

Walter Cronkite’s “Universe” Visits ILM 1980

Horizon - How To Film The Impossible
This is a great one, though it isn’t just Star Wars, it also covers Temple of Doom and 2010: The Year We Make Contact.

SP FX: Special Effects - The Empire Strikes Back
I don’t think this one was ever on any DVD’s or blu-rays. It might have been on laserdisc though.

If you scroll through the thread you should find plenty more.

It’s interesting that the Disney Gallery special had no clips of Mark Hamill or anything related to Luke’s appearance, so it seems that they really did everything they could to avoid any leaks for the finale. Makes me wonder if they did something similar to ESB were the script that most people got had a different scene, and I’m guessing that they had a very small crew shooting that scene. They might not even have had the entire cast, so it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the actors didn’t even know who they were supposed to react to.

Lots of great stuff in the Disney Gallery special, but the funniest detail has to be that the boom guy is wearing pink shorts.

I completely forgot about the new 1 hour Disney Gallery special for season 2 and just randomly came across this in my YT recommendations. This is not from the official channel and is just a collection of Ahsoka related clips.

Ahsoka Tano Behind the Scenes Star Wars The Mandalorian | Disney+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAMAeW1L3c - from the Star Wars Coffee YouTube channel

Gonk-DB94 said:

‘Star Wars Holiday Special Cartoon’ - 10 minutes long, from the ‘Musta Costa Fortune’ YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC2Q6ANLXQ0
 

BTW, here’s the link to another version that has the original 4:3 aspect ratio;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNwP_1kTZQ

Star Wars Holiday Special Cartoon Segment (1978)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNwP_1kTZQ - from the SWarchives YouTube channel (9 mins long).

This is the best quality version I’ve bee able to find on YT that also has the original 4:3 aspect ratio.

‘Star Wars: The Acolyte’ Being Co-Developed By Rayne Roberts
https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2020/12/star-wars-the-acolyte-rayne-roberts.html

From what I’ve gathered she’s part of the Lucasfilm story-group and have worked as a development/creative executive on all of the recent movies.

Watching one of the preview recently provided for 4K80 I noticed in the “Lando system” scene that Threepio, who’s shut off in the background, is not a stand-in puppet but actually Daniel’s in costume. Looking really closely I can see him shift slightly as he breathes. Seems kinda odd to have Daniels put on (or keep on) the costume only to have him sit still in the background, though this might have to do with the fact that as the Falcon detaches from the SD, the camera tilts a little and Ford and Fisher both move as if the cockpit itself actually tilts, and Threepio likewise shifts a bit in his seat.

I also noticed that a bit of the view out the cockpit is cut off in the next shot. At the far right of the cockpit windows, near Threepio’s head, there’s a black area where there should be more of the view of the SD and the space trash.

Knight of Kalee said:

captainadano said:

I also think there’s potential for other characters to show up - Cad Bane could be a cool option, if he’s alive. After all, judging by what we’ve seen of that unfinished TCW arc, Bane - if alive - would likely be out to get him.

Indeed! Bane and Boba’s standoff from the cancelled TCW arcs is not considered as canon yet, so maybe it could be reworked into any of the newer projects as long as Filoni’s involved.

I thought all the unfinished stories were considered canon. Or does that only apply to events that have been adapted or mentioned in some other series?

ROTJ: Luke Skywalker Vs Vader (Original Blue Lightsaber)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tywKaUtNIg&t - from the Tom Jedi YouTube channel (4 mins long).

The blurb:
“This is an edit that replaces Luke’s Return Of The Jedi green lightsaber with a blue lightsaber as originally planned.”

Wexter said:

rebothejedi said:

Yeah but it doesn’t make sense why they would hire a martial artist to play such an insignificant role

She might be someone’s friend or cousin who happens to be a martial artist…

Or maybe she’s a big SW fan and managed to convince them to give her a minor role in the series.

Omni said:

Very interesting theory, but since she was just shot in the back in the latest episode without much attention being paid to it… I’m inclined to believe she’s just an Imperial officer.

I just re-watched the scene were they take the bridge and I couldn’t see her in it, though it is a bit hard to make out faces some times. However, there’s no clear shot of her being killed.

I personally think it’s a bit of an odd casting for Sabine anyway, so probably just a SW fan casting (like Paul Sun-Hyung Lee), though it could work, and it would be a fun way of sneaking the character into live-action.

Any thoughts on this?

Has The Mandalorian Been Hiding A Star Wars Rebels Character In Plain Sight?
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2560440/has-the-mandalorian-been-hiding-a-star-wars-rebels-character-in-plain-sight?fbclid=IwAR3VZj4QnvyWb9kV_QDdIHTmy1422Wr5zVh5DruYQ0cGSQkUhQRO13-lQIo

A bit far fetched IMO, but hardly impossible considering all the recent announcements (especially the Ahsoka series).

Wouldn’t Pedro Pascal be a bit jarring as he’s already in The Mandalorian? He could always do a mo-cap character or something like that though. Favreau has after all played three separate SW characters so far.

Star Wars Explained just made a 151 Easter Eggs in the Mandalorian video, and the geekiest by far has to be that Bib Fortuna in the post-credits scene is holding the same type of staff that his Kenner action figure did back in the 80’s.

Great find none.

Since Propstore has more than just Star Wars items I decided to compile a list of all the OT videos they’ve made (as of Dec. 2020). I’ve organized them somewhat; the first category being videos that cover several movies or that contain longer interviews. The rest is dived into the three OT films and each “item” placed more or less in order of appearance in the movie.

STAR WARS | Prop Store Nov. 25 2020 LIVE Auction Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hc5iXdXTgE - (25 mins long).

STAR WARS ORIGINAL TRILOGY - Original Props and Artwork
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a3EkkLgAgk - part of the 2016 Phil Tippett Auction (3 mins long).
STAR WARS EP IV: A NEW HOPE - Original Holochess Creature Sketches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mPgexapc9o - part of the 2016 Phil Tippett Auction (2 mins long).
STAR WARS EP V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - Original AT-AT Walker Animation Notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL96KQPrS4U - part of the 2016 Phil Tippett Auction (2 mins long).
STAR WARS EP V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - Original Tauntaun Sketches and Notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaYeXJfCbv8 - part of the 2016 Phil Tippett Auction (2 mins long).
STAR WARS EP V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - Dennis Muren’s Hand-Written Camera Diagrams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SoT1aLCddw - part of the 2016 Phil Tippett Auction (2 mins long).
Various Storyboards and Artwork from the STAR WARS Trilogy (1977-1983)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt97I1z5mC8 - (5 mins long).
Various Storyboard Lots from STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) and RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=388catzUd2c - (4:40 mins long).
Lot #727 Syd Wragg Interview - Screen-matched Tantive IV Stormtrooper Helmet spotlight video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1blScCJ8pc - (4:15 mins long).
Lot #727 Syd Wragg Interview - Screen-matched Tantive IV Stormtrooper Helmet [Extended Cut]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOS1ZMgv6g4 - (22 mins long).

Lot #709 STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE (1977) - Luke Skywalker’s (Mark Hamill) Production-Made Lightsaber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir4pxbbFy-Q - (20 sec long).
Lot 306 Star Wars: A New Hope - C-3PO (Anthony Daniels) Costume Hand Pair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsMk_uQUKQ - (1:30 mins long).
Lot #447 STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE (1977) - Stormtrooper Helmet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwPtgEQX0xE - (30 sec long).
Lot 422 - STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE (1977) - TIE Fighter Pilot Helmet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLdC3lLqb4M - (50 sec long).
Lot 423 - STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE (1977) - ILM Motion Control ‘Rama’ Camera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmoiJ5NP6xQ - (3:30 mins long).
Lot 373 Star Wars: A New Hope (1977) - Over-Sized Death Star Surface Panel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8EloC-WENk - (1 min long).
Princess Leia Medal Ceremony Dress | Prop Store
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykVIDWTROmE - (40 sec long).

Lot 430 - STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) - Walker Head Dyeline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkwCZNiyHlI - (40 sec long).
Lot 431 - STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) - Walker Head Dyelines with Joe Johnston Notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3YVot0vh2w - (40 sec long).
Lot 317 Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back - Empireflex Norway Camera Cover Display
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmas_NacFQc - (1 min long).
Lot #463 STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) Han Solo’s (Harrison Ford) Jacket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug-O38UHsTU - (7 mins long).
Lot 391 Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - Stormtrooper Helmet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07s2PJHiqAk - (1 min long).
Prop Store Of London Empire Strikes Back E 11 Blaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6TlLMFMHx4 - (1:15mins long).
Lot 432 - STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) - Imperial Walker Model Miniature Head Casting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SszxGsUWntY - (1 min long).
Lot 448 - STAR WARS THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) - X-Wing ILM Model Miniature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LpgVrtWp10 - (3 mins long).
Comic Con Minute Original Star Wars 3CPO hand presented by The Propstore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=497kgHQ8ohA - (2:40 mins long).
Prop Store Of London Star Wars Rebel Blaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVX3odMuMLA - (1:40 mins long).
Lot #472 - STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) - Darth Vader Promotional Tour Helmet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_b11PGzQHM - (30 sec long).
Lot #471 - STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) - Sprocket Systems KEM 35mm Film Editing Table
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwQ641zdbLA - (1 min long).

STAR WARS: RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) - Various Crew Apparel Lots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8nU1Nn1t8Q - (1:20 mins long).
Lot 326 Star Wars: Return of the Jedi - Gamorrean Guard Head Casting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmn1cQPsd3I - (50 sec long).
Lot 327 Star Wars: Return of the Jedi - Jabba the Hutt’s Barge Gargoyle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS1ArqanJDY - (1:15 mins long).
Lot 330 Star Wars Return of the Jedi - Biker Scout Helmet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARK_ZGCsMYw - (1:30 mins long).
Lot #490 - STAR WARS: RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) - ILM Y-Wing Model Miniature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amWetQavw4E - (2 mins long).
Lot 476 - STAR WARS: RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) - Low Altitude Death Star Turbo Cannon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O736xRYt3Ik - (40 sec long).
Lot 477 - STAR WARS: RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) - Low Altitude Death Star Turbo Cannon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC8hgmJASy4 - (50 sec long).
Lot 409 Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983) - Anakin Skywalker Facial Appliances and Lifecast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYF6w6LLOvQ - (1 min long).

Celebrating 40 Years of Empire: Behind the Scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yix_9g_Ob74&t - from the official Star Wars YouTube channel (7 mins long).

The blurb:
“See never-before-seen on-set footage and outtakes from Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, with commentary by members of the cast and crew who brought the first Star Wars sequel to life. Featured are rare behind-the-scenes moments captured by the film’s documentary crew, including the frozen exteriors of Hoth, the Rebel base hangar, interiors of the Millennium Falcon, Cloud City, and the film’s climactic duel between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Also included is an all-new and archival audio commentary by George Lucas, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Billy Dee Williams, and Lawrence Kasdan.”

Celebrating 40 Years of Empire: The Legacy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ua2v64mh9o&t - from the official Star Wars YouTube channel (5:30 mins long).

The blurb:
“The talent and production crews keeping the Star Wars legacy alive today look back at Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back to share their thoughts and memories of the film that transformed the Star Wars story into a saga. This brief featurette includes humorous outtakes and behind-the-scenes footage, with all-new commentary by Kathleen Kennedy, Dave Filoni, Bryce Dallas Howard, Pedro Pascal, Deborah Chow, Leslye Headland, Taika Waititi, and Diego Luna.”

Star Wars Archives Fly-Through Featurette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddLD4DDLAQ&t - from the mranderson00001 YouTube channel (3:40 mins long).

The blurb:
“Featurette from the Star Wars Complete Saga Blu-ray release showing the Star Wars Archives at Skywalker Ranch.”

Includes props and costumes from both the OT and PT. Very similar to the Lucasfilm Archive Tour 1993 posted previously in this thread, but without the commentary

Keep in mind that plot and story are fairly different things. The ST definitely has a story (i.e. stuff happens), however the plot (i.e. “a series of events deliberately arranged so as to reveal their dramatic, thematic, and emotional significance”), that’s an entirely different argument. Plot-wise the OT and PT are very complimentary stories, where the same themes are played out in reverse, Anakin is seduced by evil, Luke deafeats the darkness it and becomes good, etc. etc. The ST is very much a copy of the OT in both story and plot, with the quality of both being highly debatable.

An interesting question would be; what could the ST have done to compliment the PT & OT? Though this is hardly the thread for this discussion.

I’m still a bit confused as to why so many people complain about the music of the season finale. I thought it quite dramatic, especially when Luke arrived. And the score for the farewell scene between Din & Grogu was great.

Is it just the darktrooper music? A bit odd admittedly, but I honestly didn’t notice it until it was pointed out, and I am far from a fan of dubstep music (or modern popular music in general). As a score for robots it seemed a fairly logical choice. Also it’s not like Göransson’s score hasn’t been odd and experimental before in this series. F.ex. when the Razor Crest is falling towards Trask in Chapter 11 you can literally hear what sounds like metal being banged together as a part of the score. Overall I feel that he’s restrained himself much more in season 2 and kept it fairly “traditional” for the most part.

DisneyRetconnedMeOut said:

Was this the series finale? It felt like the resolution of the entire story.

It was definitely a resolution to Grogu’s story, though there’s still potential stories to be told I think. I wouldn’t say Din’s story is over though. His quest is over, but there’s still a lot for him to learn about what it truly means to be a Mandalorian. And now that he has the darksaber he could use it to unite the Mandalorians. Gideon’s still alive and a potential threat to Grogu, so is Thrawn and the Imperial Remnants in general. And Bo-Katan could become an adversary as well in the next season.

Honestly, the de-aged Mark Hamill look less and less weird the more I watch it. There are still some quirks here and there, though I’m wondering if a lot of the uncanny valley feeling might simply come from the fact that we all know Hamill does’t look like that anymore. There is something quite surreal about seeing a face we recognize from grainy 80’s film footage now appearing in this crisp digital footage alongside actors from this obviously new series. The more I look at it I’m sure its some kind of deepfake as it looks to good to be CG, especially considering its a TV series. The over-the-shoulder shots I do think is CG, but everything else looks like its based on ROTJ footage and probably blended with the face of a lookalike. The first time he speaks the lip movement seems quite natural to me, but the second time it seems a bit too little compared to the words coming out of his mouth. There is also a shot where he bends down to pick up Grogu where there is some slightly odd blurring and I wonder if the original actors face might have become more visible. Overall though, I think this has great potential for Luke showing up again in later season and other series as I’m sure this technology will only get better. And I definitely think this scene will grow on people more than Tarkin and RO Leia has (and the former I think works quite well overall with only the lip animation being the biggest issue).