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#1471457
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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All in all, I thought that was a solid enough ending for the series. There’s the obvious issue that we should ideally have gotten some more build-up in the last two episodes than we did, but all things considered I’m reasonably satisfied with how it turned out. Not great, but perfectly fine.

All in all I think the entire show can be summed up that way too, it’s good-ish despite being somewhat underwhelming and oddly paced at times. I wouldn’t call it a failure like some do, but it is a noticeable step-down from the high quality of The Mandalorian. Hopefully this is only a fluke, possible due to some rushing trying to get a filler series finished between seasons 2 & 3 of The Mandalorian, or maybe they had to merge some ideas due to the cancellation of Rangers of the New Republic. Hopefully they’ll learn/recover from this, but even if the future Favreau shows are at their worst like this show then I can’t really complain all that much.

I might change my opinion of this down the line but at the moment I’d give the show as a whole a 7/10.


Random thoughts and observations:

Cad Bane was a lot more fun in this episode. Obviously in the last episode he was simply meant to be introduced as a threat and to look tough and intimidating, but it was fun seeing some of his more familiar mannerisms from TCW.

Cad’s scene with the Pyke leader and the mayor was pretty fun, seeing as there wasn’t any humans in the scene. It was essentially just two guys covered in foam rubber talking to a puppet and it seemed completely natural.

Odd choice to leave Krrsantan in the Thrandoshan district, though maybe they felt they’d stay out of his way after he ripped a guys arm off. Still, seemed like an invitation to trouble.

I was a bit surprised to see the majordomo stick around for so long, but he actually got to have some genuinely funny moments in this episode.

The Rancor going all King Kong on Mos Espa was a lot of fun.

This may seem like an odd gripe, but Sophie Thatcher’s character (Drash) really bugs me. First of all her acting is very wooden, and she delivers her lines like she’s in a LOTR film, not SW. And one writing decision that I am genuinely disappointed by is the line about her character having grown up in Mos Espa. That just doesn’t make any sense with her accent and was a dumb choice. I suppose maybe this can be explained away the same way Jyn Erso’s accent was seeing as she ended up with Saw’s rebels at the age of seven or eight, so she too technically “grew up” up in a setting not compatible with her accent.

I do like Skad though. I’d have replaced some of Drash’s scenes with him instead as he think the actors could have carried these moments far better.

[SPOILER:]

I was a bit surprised that Fett killed Cad seeing as he was just introduced to live-action, but from the casual fan perspective it makes sense narrative-wise, and even from a TCW/EU perspective it does add up character arc wise. I do like that Fett used his Gaffi stick to defeat him. That seemed very appropriate.

Has it been confirmed that this will get a 2nd season or are those just speculations? I suppose the mid-credit scene doesn’t technically have to imply a 2nd season seeing as he could show up again in another show.

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#1471319
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The Beyond the OT Trailers/Promos Thread (YouTube/Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Big Empire: The Book of Boba Fett - Disney+ Promo (2022)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH7gBi5xW7A - from the official Star Wars YouTube channel (30 sec long).


Stranger: The Book of Boba Fett - Disney+ Promo (2022)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUxcjRyXeHs - from the official Star Wars YouTube channel (30 sec long).

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#1470448
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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WitchDR said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I’ve seen a lot of talk online about Cad Bane’s pale skin colour being wrong when compared top TCW, but people seem to forget that he should be roughly in his 70s by the time of BOBF. Of course we have no idea how the Duros age, but I got the impression that it was meant to give him an aged appearance. Either way, he is blue, so I don’t really care. What does irk me a little bit though is how his voice has less of an electronic feel to it. They did the same to the Pykes and I don’t get why. Though this is also just a nitpick, and overall I just think its cool that they got the original voice actor back (though that hardly came as a surprise).

The skin color really isn’t so much an issue with me. His face is too bulky, should be a lot narrower than it was presented. Also the mouth placement and size of the eyes is wayyy off.

I am all for practical effects over using CGI, especially for the aliens. But I also think Disney has leaned way too into strictly practical. His mouth placement makes sense when lined up on a human actor. But it still looks off because of it. Disney needs to start implementing CGI as touch up’s for this sort of thing.

Yeah, I see what you mean, though I personally don’t mind small alterations like this if it means we’ll get more practical effects. It’s a bit like the smaller lenght of Ahsoka’s head tails.

Also CG touch-ups isn’t all that easy, especially if there isn’t an obvious “seam” to follow, hence why VFX companies usually do creature faces as either fully CG or fully practical.

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#1470442
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I’ve seen a lot of talk online about Cad Bane’s pale skin colour being wrong when compared top TCW, but people seem to forget that he should be roughly in his 70s by the time of BOBF. Of course we have no idea how the Duros age, but I got the impression that it was meant to give him an aged appearance. Either way, he is blue, so I don’t really care. What does irk me a little bit though is how his voice has less of an electronic feel to it. They did the same to the Pykes and I don’t get why. Though this is also just a nitpick, and overall I just think its cool that they got the original voice actor back (though that hardly came as a surprise).

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#1470297
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Mocata said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Why are so many talking about Din taking a new ship both here and elsewhere online? He already has a new ship. And seeing as him going back to bounty hunting for a 2nd time would be odd character growth I don’t see why he needs a replacement.

I always assumed he lived aboard the Razor Crest too, unless I’m missing something.

True. But living on his ship was also part of his profession as a bounty hunter. It hasn’t been explained what he’ll do going forward, but changes are happening, so I’m assuming he’ll find something a bit more stable. Not to mention that him having the Darksaber sets up him potentially becoming the new Mandalore. And for the moment he’s staying with Fett.

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#1470210
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BTW, we’re discussing if Cobb Vanth survived, but I just realized that we just saw the canonical death of Figrin D’an at the end of this episode. However, I didn’t see Max Reebo, so maybe that sneaky little blue elephant managed to cheat death once again?

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#1470206
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CarboniteSolo said:

NFBisms said:

I love Timothy Olyphant, I don’t think I care about anything else in this show but Timothy Olyphant, I hope Vanth isn’t dead. 😦

I don’t think he’s dead, but I think the citizens of his town will save his life by taking him to get a mod, like Fennec.

He was only shot in the shoulder so I don’t see why the mods will be needed, but we’ll see. He’s definitely coming back though, otherwise they would have given him a more obvious and dramatic death.

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#1470203
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Another really oddly structured episode, though at the same time I can’t say I didn’t enjoy the segments. Did Fett even say a word in this episode? I always assumed that this was a miniseries, but now it seems more likely that the intent was to have another season. Or maybe Favreau simply felt that Fett’s story was sufficiently told in the first few episodes and now it’s more about an ensemble cast of characters.

Judging by you-know-who’s appearance at the end it does at least seem like we’ll get more with Fett in the next episode which I’m pretty will have to be at least a 50 min. episode to wrap things up. Unless of course we get some kind of season 2 tease. Or who knows, maybe Fett’s story will be continued in The Mandalorian season 3 seeing as Din basically took over almost two episodes of his show.

A few random thoughts and observations:

Really like the Sergio Leone vibe from the scenes with Cobb Vanth. And the speeder in the 1st scene still wobble like a car with wheels just like Luke’s in ANH, which I think adds a certain clunky charm to them despite the obvious reason why it looks like that.

The stone-mason ant-droids is definitely one of the cooler droids I’ve seen in SW for a while.

Luke looks so much better than before. His expressions feels more natural, though there’s still a bit of softness to the face, however I’d consider that a decent trade off for performance. His voice, however, does sound a little bit off, or is that just me?

Slight canon break, so small in fact that I don’t really care, but figured I’d mention it either way. Yoda’s lightsaber was technically smelted down by Mas Amedda in a ritual show in the first issue of the Darth Vader comic by Charles Soule, but I suppose Yoda could have made a replacement during his years in exile. Or I suppose there could have been other small lightsabers found at the Jedi temple.

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#1469612
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jedi_bendu said:

ZkinandBonez said:

jedi_bendu said:

I don’t have any evidence but to me, Beggar’s Canyon in the latest episode looks like a new miniature that’s just very accurate to the original version.

These two actually look quite different to me. Yes, the camera angle, FOV and lighting is different, but the rock faces look very different–i.e. the cracks and striations don’t match. They either went all out and made a new miniature for just this scene, or it’s a very good, nut not identical, CG model or digital matte painting.

I said that the set in the episode was “very accurate”, then found the comparison image, and realised after looking at it closely it actually wasn’t all that accurate at all (although definitely meant to be the same place).

It makes sense to me because over 40 years have passed since we saw the same location in TPM. Some things like the cracks being different can’t be easily explained, but different houses and differences nearly the tops of the rocks can probably be attributed to rebuilding and rock erosion I would imagine. Either way, it isn’t a big deal.

I also think this looks like a miniature set, which is impressive. I hope we get a behind the scenes feature for TBOBF like we did the mando seasons.

Bit odd, from a lore perspective thst is, that the rock walls would change in 40 years but no one bothered to fix the gate or pick up the broken pieces.

Having said that, I’m not really a stickler for minutae, I think it’s a cool recreation either way.

The difference in rrock texture is actually the biggest evidence for this being a miniature, as its easier to just knock out these shapes than it is to spent time and money on carving them in exact shapes. The houses though I think are much more accurat, but the change in angle and FOV makes it hard to perfectly compare them

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#1469608
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jedi_bendu said:

I don’t have any evidence but to me, Beggar’s Canyon in the latest episode looks like a new miniature that’s just very accurate to the original version.

These two actually look quite different to me. Yes, the camera angle, FOV and lighting has been altered, but the rock faces look very different–i.e. the cracks and striations don’t match. They either went all out and made a new miniature for just this one scene, or it’s a very good, but not identical, CG model or digital matte painting.

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#1469568
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CarboniteSolo said:

By reusing CGI shots, they didn’t have to pay people hours and hours to create new effects, new landscapes, digital frontiers, etc.

Movies that rely on CG effects cost the most to make, that’s common knowledge.

But is this even possible after 20+ years? I can only imagine how many software compatibility issues there’d be, if the files would even be intact after all this time. Not to mention that 1999 CG would probably stand out if placed beside 2022 CG. Reusing film plates I get. They just have to re-scan it and remove the blue screen, etc. if applicable. But reusing CG that “old” (in CG terms anyway) just seems implausible to me.

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#1469565
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CarboniteSolo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

CarboniteSolo said:

The 2nd reason that he does this, is so they can save a little production money and reuse those shots already created for Episode I. They saved a few thousand by doing this.

Has this been confirmed? Is it even possible to reuse/transfer CG files from the late 90’s on to modern systems? Though I suppose Beggars Canyon was a miniature, so maybe they just had to find the original film negatives for those shots. Though IIRC the rocky desert landscape was mostly CG.

The Phantom Menace was shot on 35mm, the other two Episodes were shot digitally. All they did was remove the pod racers, they did create a few new shots for it, but mostly used the 24 year old footage.

Yeah, I know TPM has film negatives lying around, I was just wondering how much of it would be reusable since much of the podrace scene was fully CG, except for the canyon and the cave (and the arena of course). So I guess the BOBF shot that is exactly the same as TPM (minus the broken gate) was reused while the rest of the scene with the rocky “pillars” was completely redone. Though I’d image its a fair bit easier and timesaving to recreate something than to do it from scratch.

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#1469560
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CarboniteSolo said:

The 2nd reason that he does this, is so they can save a little production money and reuse those shots already created for Episode I. They saved a few thousand by doing this.

Has this been confirmed? Is it even possible to reuse/transfer CG files from the late 90’s on to modern systems? Though I suppose Beggars Canyon was a miniature, so maybe they just had to find the original film negatives for those shots. Though IIRC the rocky desert landscape was mostly CG.

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#1469284
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Yes I do get the sense that BOBF is meant as filler while we wait for the Kenobi series, Andor and of course season 3 of The Mandalorian and all of the Thrawn stuff that will happen in future.

I’ve noticed that the BOBF ratings on sites like IMDb have dropped a fair bit since the first few episodes, but when all of these other shows come along I think BOBF will get less criticism as its intended purpose between these series becomes more apparent.

As far as I’m concerned it’s been a solid series so far and if this is the “worst” live action SW series we’ll get in the coming year/s then I’d say we are very lucky.

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#1469279
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I’ve been wondering why BOBF (minus the latest episode) has felt somewhat cheaper than The Mandalorian and I wonder if it simply has to do with how bright and open Tatooine is as a setting. It’s so much harder to hide the rough edges of CG effects when everything is in broad daylight, and they might have had to resort to more green screen as the volume doesn’t work for most types of open spaces. Contrast this with The Mandalorian which was usually much darker and moodier, with the exception of its two Tatooine episodes and the Rodriguez episode on Tython, two of which had a fair amount of “it looks off” comments. The only exception here is The Marshal, but they definitely spent more time and money on that than other episodes.

I also think it’s possible that Rodriguez isn’t used to directing on a TV budget and/or schedule, though at the same time isn’t he known for being a quick and cheap director? I don’t really know his work all that well, but based on his episode of The Mandalorian I get the impression that he’s more of a “fix it in post” guy, and while this might work for movies like Sin City or Alita it can cause a lot of trouble on TV series, especially since the volume require extensive pre-production work, the reverse of most movies these days.

Of course in addition to my first point it could simply be that BOBF isn’t as big a prority to Lucasfilm and that the budget is simply smaller. And to be clear, with a few exceptions, I don’t think the series look bad at all, but it does feel a little “off” when compared to The Mandalorian.

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#1469175
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rocknroll41 said:

Also, Fennec just so happened to show up at the mechanic’s shop to look for Mando the same exact day Mando was there to get his new ship?

Watching the episode a 2nd time I noticed that some of the extras used in chapter 3 when one of the mods reported on the Pykes arriving on the public transport where used in this episode as well when Din arrived at the same port with the same type of ship. It could of course just be that they just re-used the same extras for the same set (maybe even shot both back-to-back), but it could also be that Din arrived during the events of chapter 3 and that it took a while for the starfighter to be built and for Fennec and her “spies” to find out he’d arrived on Tatooine.

And the building montage suggested that at least one day passed as we saw it turn dark. Though I’d guess that it was longer.

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#1469093
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Now that was a really great episode of The Mandalorian. And I suppose that’s my only criticism as well.

Random thoughts:

I loved the ring city. One of my irks with recent SW is that they haven’t made enough weird locations. There’s a tendecy to focus to much on biome-planets like Hoth or Tatooine and forget places like Cloud City. I’m obviously all about SW being space fantasy and not sci-fi, but that doesn’t mean that everything has to happen in either a desert or a forest.

Peli’s quips does seem a little odd to me in an OT setting, but that’s a very minor nitpick, and I do find her scenes funny.

The brief flashback is one of the coolest, and darkest, scenes I’ve seen in modern SW. Was I the only one who got Nausicaa vibes from it?

I wonder if a certain little guy might end up in the dome turret behind Din on his new starfighter in future episodes?

Interesting, though not at all surprising, to see Vizla become a rival. Now that there’s two Mandos out for the Darksaber and with Din teaming up with Fett as a favour instead of pay, it now seems like we’re going to see some kind of internal conflict between the Mandos in The Mandalorian season 3. I thinks it’s very likely that Favreau and Filoni’s end-goal is to have Din become the next Mandalore.

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#1467973
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Anchorhead said:

The Hutts, in 1983 and in this, seem ridiculous. If the show even flirted with realism, they would have been done away with quickly and easily. If you’re a worm that has to be carried everywhere, you can be easily killed by the criminals and killers you keep close by. But I digress…

Realism? In Star Wars? And even so, real life mobsters, or dictators for that matter, weren’t always all that tough themselves. Money and extortion are often far more powerful than just muscle, and the Hutts aren’t necessarily as weak as they seem either. They don’t have to be carried around, they just do it as a sign of power. 1983 Jabba didn’t move about simply because they didn’t have the technology to pull it off (at least not to Lucas’ high standards), and we’ve seen Hutts move about in TPM and throughout the cartoons. Some canonical Hutts are actually quite dangerous.

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#1467697
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Just finished watching chapter 4 and as far as I’m concerned the show is back on form again. It was a bit more open ended than chapter 2 but it had the same high quality. Good action and far better cinematography.

I was a bit surprised to see that the flashbacks are already lining up with The Mandalorian season 1, but it does confirm that Fett spent a good amount of time with the Tuskens.

A few random thoughts:

The mods are actually called mods as they literally modify themselves with cybernetics. I thought that was kinda clever. They also looked a bit more OT this time, but there’s still that overall PT feel to the designs. Which I don’t mind. I also thought the mods was a clever way to explain how Fett saved Fennec as it always seemed unlikely that he did it himself.

Loved the droids in Jabba/Bib’s Palace. The meat cleaver kitchen droid was fun and appropriately had a little Grievous moment. Also, wasn’t the little droid a TCW design used by the separatists?

We also get our first on-screen Wookiee pulling someone’s arm off scene I believe. Yes I know they shot a scene for TFA but that was cut. Either way, this scene made more sense and was IMO much better. I just think it’s cool that Krrsantan is going to be a regular character in the series.

Excited for what the implication of the theme from The Mandalorian at the end means. Will it mean that Din will show up to help or just Mandalorians in general. Fett’s building up quite the team for fighting the Pykes.

I will add one critical observatio though. Why did Fett think the beskar armour was still in the Sarlacc? I suppose he could have been too dazed to have consciously noticed yhe Jawas and only reacted out of instinct, but it was an odd detail to not explain. Though I suppose we could see him learn of Cobb Vanth at some point in a future episode.

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#1467294
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The Beyond the OT Trailers/Promos Thread (YouTube/Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Star Wars: Visions - Disney+ Trailer (2021)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lle0NNmvIyU - from the official Star Wars YouTube channel (3 mins long).

Star Wars: Visions - Disney+ English Dub Trailer (2021)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtAsl-0o3O0 - from the official Star Wars YouTube channel (3 mins long).

The blurb:
“Reimagine the galaxy with StarWars: Visions, an Original Series featuring stories from seven visionary Japanese anime studios, streaming September 22 on DisneyPlus.”

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#1467292
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The Beyond the OT Trailers/Promos Thread (YouTube/Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Star Wars: Visions - Disney+ Featurette (2021)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Gr9gKFxpE - from the official Star Wars YouTube channel (3 mins long).

The blurb:
“Seven Japanese anime studios bring their unique talent and perspective to Star Wars: Visions, a collection of animated Original Short Films, streaming September 22 on Disney+.”