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Post: #73786
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73786/action/topic#73786
Time: 26-Oct-2004 12:38 PM

In my opinion, no. The difference is way too big, and would be very distracting when switching between them.

Post: #73782
Topic: Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73782/action/topic#73782
Time: 26-Oct-2004 12:07 PM

No, it's a glitch in the capturing process. That usually happens when your hard drive can't keep up with the capture.

Keep in mind also that some spots may be from the film itself. These are usually white or black spots that don't have the rainbowy halo around them like the rot spots do.

Post: #73781
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73781/action/topic#73781
Time: 26-Oct-2004 12:01 PM

Right now, I'm entertaining the idea of putting both audio tracks on the dvd's. I'm not sure if there is enough of a difference between the two to do this though. I may have to do a side by side comparrison to see if I should add the '85 mix. If there is enough of a difference, and I like both mixes, my audio options may look like this:

1: Faces/Definitive audio (Dolby Surround 2.0)
2: Ben Burt '85 mix (Dolby Surround 2.0)
3: Audio 1 or 2 (PCM 2.0)
4: Isolated Score (music only) (DTS 2.0)
5: Commentary (Dolby Surround 2.0)

Keep in mind this is just an initial thought. I may decide that one version of the audio is enough and go with just the '85 mix or just the THX audio. Also disc space will play a role in what audio makes the cut as well.

Post: #73741
Topic: Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73741/action/topic#73741
Time: 26-Oct-2004 1:48 AM

Rot spots are caused by the LD itself. The Definitive LD's are a little more prone to rot than the Faces sets. For the most part, rot seems to come with the aging of the discs.

Post: #73735
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73735/action/topic#73735
Time: 26-Oct-2004 1:22 AM

Well the Broncos got upstaged on national TV tonight, so I'm not in a very good mood.

I'll spend the rest of the night playing around with the color correction of the first 10 minutes of ANH. My captured footage from last night...

manually IVTC'd via VirtualDubMod
de-ghosted with Laserschwert's last remedy
resized and run through MSU Denoiser and Smart Sharpen

...looks very good and has a lot more detail than I've seen in any of my captures so far. I can't wait to see what my new LD player can do along with the Sima unit Ash is sending me.

Post: #73713
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73713/action/topic#73713
Time: 25-Oct-2004 10:57 PM

I just won a CLD-D704 on Ebay.

That's all for now. The Broncos are playing.

Post: #73483
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73483/action/topic#73483
Time: 25-Oct-2004 3:54 AM

Unfortunately the only places that have LD players in the small town I live in are pawn shops. I'll be going around and checking them out this week though.

Post: #73475
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73475/action/topic#73475
Time: 25-Oct-2004 3:45 AM

As an electronics technician by day, the soldering isn't the problem here. It's finding the part. Besides that, I'd rather just get a new player with a better video SNR than hassle with this one.

On a side note, I'm re-doing the first 10 minutes of ANH using the last de-ghost filters Laserschwert posted, along with manual Vdub IVTC, and the resize/sharpen/resize trick. Only this time I'm using the MSU noise reduction and sharpen filters. Only 3 hours to process, so I'll check it in the morning.

Post: #73472
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73472/action/topic#73472
Time: 25-Oct-2004 3:39 AM

Oh, this has been on my mind for a while now. Only now has it really hit me that I need to do something about it. Ever since I started using this player to capture, the composite video jack on the back has been loose. I have no doubt that is the problem and there is no way to fix it unless I can find a new connector and re-solder it onto the circuit board.

Post: #73468
Topic: Jim Ward on SE Changes...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73468/action/topic#73468
Time: 25-Oct-2004 3:32 AM

You have a habit of coming into a thread with both guns blazing, and it's getting tiresome. Count to 10 before hitting the SUBMIT button next time. I know that new posters like to make a grand entrance to make a name for themselves (your username speaks volumes towards this), but it really isn't necessary. Really...

lol. I just think you're failing to see that he's trying to side WITH you and, though his opinion may be coming from a different angle, attempting to make amends for any misperceptions.

Post: #73460
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73460/action/topic#73460
Time: 25-Oct-2004 2:10 AM

Once again I've been playing around with my capture settings. I'm taking MeBeJedi's advice and capturing at a more "neutral" brightness/contrast level so I don't lose any of the details. It's working out pretty well, although now I have to do separate color correction settings for each scene/shot. That's not so bad though, since I'll get much better results this way. I came to another startling conclusion tonight as well. I figured out why I'm getting that nasty ghosting effect.

It's my LD player.

I'm rather dissapointed at this news. After switching between composite and s-video on my capture software with the brightness hiked way up, I can see clearly that there is no ghosting when I use s-video. Unfortunately I don't want to use s-video for capturing because the comb filter on the LD player isn't very good and introduces way too much dot crawl. So Laserschwert, I guess you can stop trying to fix the problem with filters.

I have no choice now but to try a new LD player. Right now I'm looking at some Pioneer Elite players on Ebay, and I'm also going around to some pawn shops here in town to see if I can find anything. My top three players at this point (based on realistic priceing and availability) are the Elite CLD-97, CLD-99, CLD-79 and the CLD-D704. As far as I can tell, the only difference between these that will make any difference when I capture via composite is the video noise level, in which the 97 and 99 have the edge.

Anyone out there have one of these players and would be willing to let be borrow it for a while?

Hopefully I can get ahold of a new player soon. I've already ordered a new capture card and new Monster THX video cables today.

Post: #73279
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73279/action/topic#73279
Time: 24-Oct-2004 12:03 AM

My DVD authoring program (Scenarist) requires that they be in .sst format.

Post: #73086
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73086/action/topic#73086
Time: 22-Oct-2004 10:06 PM

Selecting "none" will show subtitles for the alien languages only, just like the theatrical presentantion. Selecting English will show English subtitles for all dialogue. I am also open to adding any other language anyone is willing to make and send me the file. I know some of you guys are German, so if you want German subtitles on these, get someone to create them and I'll throw them on.

Post: #72902
Topic: Idea: Sound mix options? Where?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72902/action/topic#72902
Time: 21-Oct-2004 8:34 PM

I might have the '85 ROTJ LD. How can I tell for sure? Also, are there any differences in the audio that would warrant it being on my DVD?

Post: #72751
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72751/action/topic#72751
Time: 21-Oct-2004 2:18 AM

Yeah, I just saw your email about that too. You've hereby convinced me that I'm capturing too dark. Time for some more tweaking....

Post: #72725
Topic: Info Wanted: What other LDs are you all transferring?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72725/action/topic#72725
Time: 21-Oct-2004 1:08 AM

I'm also working on a VHS transfer of some old P.O.D. concert footage from 97-98. I'm hoping to make a cool DVD out of this someday as well. Of course, my other DVD's are taking precedence at the moment.

I also acquired a hi quality quicktime version of the "Sleeping Awake" Matrix video. From the CD audio, I created a 5.1 DTS track for it that sounds AWESOME!

Post: #72650
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72650/action/topic#72650
Time: 20-Oct-2004 9:08 PM

Nope, never checked it out on anything other than my CRT. I don't own a TV since I live in a dorm. I wonder if I should take my LD player over to my friends' house though and check it out on his 42" HDTV.

Post: #72646
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72646/action/topic#72646
Time: 20-Oct-2004 8:56 PM

Dammit. Well hopefully we can come up with something else. I'm going to at least try your new method and post some color-corrected (less saturated) screencaps just to see what it looks like.

One thing I noticed yesterday while playing around with my color correcter settings was that there was a definite threshold I could not cross with brightness and contrast because the video noise would become a lot more obvious.

Right now I'm thinking of upgrading my hardware. I have a feeling that the ghosting and the noise have a lot to do with the signal flow from the LD player to the capture card. One thing that annoys the hell out of me is the cheap multi-connector that I have to plug my video cable into. It's not a jack right on the capture card, but a crappy cable with a din connector on one end that splits off into audio, svid, and composite. This pretty much renders my Monster video cable useless, as the video transfer is only as good as the weakest link. I'm also noticing that the video out on my LD player is loose, and loses the signal completely if the jack is moved around. This can't be good either.

So I am now on the lookout for a new capture card and LD player. Of course I would love to use a CLD-97 or CLD-99 or even a CLD-D704 for this project. Funds are pretty tight right now though, so here's hoping I can find a good deal or someone to let me borrow one.

The capture card I have my eye on is the MSI TV@nywhere Master. It's a simple, cheap, high quality card with the same chip as my current card, only it has input jacks directly on the card.

Post: #72635
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72635/action/topic#72635
Time: 20-Oct-2004 8:26 PM

Ok, here's a capture of the same frame:

http://img92.exs.cx/img92/7313/R2-Old.jpg

http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ANH.jer.dvdi.25.jpg

Keep in mind that the difference in the detail will largely be due to the de-ghosting process, not the color correction.

Post: #72574
Topic: <strong>The Odyssey Collection</strong> (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72574/action/topic#72574
Time: 20-Oct-2004 3:44 PM

"I have an optical in & rca ins.
Once captured does the audio maintain it's surround features or is there somthing extra that needs doing?"

No, then it's up to your receiver to create the surround channels from the stereo soundtrack.

Your captured audio track will maintain the original dolby pro-logic information to make it surround. Unless you employ some filters that mess with this, your matrixed surround channel should stay intact, and should play back the same way it does off the LD.

(Oh, and always use optical when you can. Of course if you plan on capturing the commentary track, which is analog only, you will only be able to use the analog rca connectors.)

Post: #72572
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72572/action/topic#72572
Time: 20-Oct-2004 3:34 PM

It's Laserschwert to the rescue once again!

Your new method looks good man. Even though the black halo results on the right, I think it's a good compromise. So you're not using any of the Virtualdub filters anymore? Is that script the only thing you're doing to the video?

Post: #72540
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72540/action/topic#72540
Time: 20-Oct-2004 12:44 PM

tellan,

Yes, the MSU filters are ungodly slow. If not for the smart sharpen's efficiency, I wouldn't even have given it a second look. However, I had great results using it along with the AVIsynth convolution3d filter.

As far as IVTCing with virtualdub, you have to start it on the first progressive frame (P P P I I P...) in order to make it work. Otherwise it doesn't work at all. I haven't seen any interlaced frames sneak by with this method.

No, I have not eliminated the jaggies. If you come across a good filter for this, please let me know. I haven't even begun to look for one yet.

As for the darkness of my capture, I do that intentionally in order to not lose the bright details. If you look at that first screencap in the *Official* screencaps thread, you will notice that some of the other captures are way too bright, and the details in the whites are all but gone. In capturing a little darker, I am able to retain a little of that detail. Of course this is at the cost of a little detail loss on the dark end, but I feel this is a compromise I'm willing to make - at least for this film. I'm thinking ESB and ROTJ won't need this so much.

Post: #72501
Topic: <strong>The Odyssey Collection</strong> (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72501/action/topic#72501
Time: 20-Oct-2004 10:40 AM

Yeah, I think a better way to go is to lower the min and up the average. There are some shots that really don't need all that extra bandwith to look good and you could use that extra space for more intense ones.

Did you capture the video in 4:3 and cropped it in another program?
Also, how does the dvd standard handle non-interlaced video?
Oh are these laserdisc player video at a film or standard video(29.97) frame rate?

Yes, capture in 4:3 at your highest possible resolution (mine is 720x480), then crop with an AVIsynth script or whatever video editor you are using (VirtualDub/Premiere). The LD video is telecined to 29.97 from the progressive source. An inverse-telecine (IVTC) process can restore the 24fps progressive frames. To get the most out of your dvd, encode your mpeg to 23.97, not 29.97. You'll save a lot of space this way.

Hope that helps.

Post: #72496
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72496/action/topic#72496
Time: 20-Oct-2004 10:21 AM

So, basically, it's all my fault...

Well damn you Jan for trying to make it look better!

I wonder if using a chroma shift filter would help on this??

Oh, and the IVTC works flawlessly on VirtualDub as far as I can tell. No problems as of yet, but I haven't sat down and really studied the difference between it and the AVIsynth method.

Simon, you are absolutely right man. At some points the menu seems a little dull and long. One thing you have to remember is that the main part of the menu (in between the transitions) has to be about 20-30 seconds long. It's the part that keeps replaying over and over until an option is selected, and if it's too short, it gets even more annoying.

I'm taking a lot of your suggestions guys and will be trying some new things to see if I can liven the menu up a little. I really don't like the dialog right now on the main menu. I think it needs something else, but I just can't decide exactly what.

Thanks again for everyone's input. Please keep sharing your thoughts, good or bad. I love the constructive critisism! It's the only way I can make things better.

Ash, it does look a little over saturated. Maybe I need to tone it down a little.

Post: #72443
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72443/action/topic#72443
Time: 20-Oct-2004 1:46 AM

Just to give you an idea of the difference between the finished product and raw capture it came from....

http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ANH.jer.94.comp.01.jpg

http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ANH.jer.94.comp.02.jpg

http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ANH.jer.94.comp.03.jpg