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Zion

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#1308508
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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It’s still up on the Spleen as far as I’m aware. Outside of that, I don’t personally know of anywhere else it’s currently available.

Say, all this talk recently of The Mandolorian and Jon Favreau being a fan of the Holiday Special and him interested in making another one, it’s got me thinking about revisiting this project.

Improvements can certainly be made. For starters, there’s some great feedback in this thread on various aspects. Things like better handling of the interlacing to possibly improving the quality of the Boba Fett cartoon by using the version from the EditDroid. Then of course there’s upscaling to HD or 4K using modern upscaling techniques. What do you guys think? Any suggestions?

Also, how do people do HD releases these days? Just a standard MKV or MP4 file, or do people do full on blu-ray authoring?

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#1306235
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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Lost Dingo said:

Hi there,

I recently stumbled across this and was wondering how it might be possible to get a copy of Zion’s V2? It sounds excellent. I know some are for sale online, but I don’t think it is appropriate to buy it…

Thanks to anyone who is able to help!

Lost Dingo

EDIT: Nevermind, found a copy! Thank you to those of you who helped me out!

If anyone is selling either of the Zion Hybrid DVDs online it’s definitely not me and I would certainly not recommend paying for it.

Happy belated Life Day, everyone!

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#1261720
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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benjay2345 said:

Hello guys,

I just recently downloaded this version and it is fantastic but there is one problem I am having. When clicking Play with Rifftrax on the Menu it doesn’t automatically play the Rifftrax version as it should and instead you have to manually switch the audio track. Not a big deal but just a slight inconvenience. Anyone else having this issue?

I don’t recall ever seeing that happen during testing. It’s possible your player is overriding the Rifftrax audio track selection and defaulting to the standard English track instead.

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#1261290
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Preserving the...*cringe*...Star Wars Holiday Special
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Well, I obviously have a personal bias. But if you watch the two side by side, there’s a significant difference between the EditDroid and mine in terms of video noise and color. I used a very good noise reduction plug-in for After Effects called Neat Video that significantly reduced the video noise while preserving both sharpness and detail. I can’t remember if I ever posted any side by side screenshots back when I was working on the project, but if I did they’d be in my SWHS thread.

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#1133816
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Preserving the...*cringe*...Star Wars Holiday Special
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Wow, this is really surreal. I’m watching the new Rifftrax streaming version for the first time and it is definitely my version of the crawl. Same edit of the opening Rifftrax commentary, same music I chose, same double dissolve to black at the end of the crawl (a mistake I corrected on my v2 DVD, but present on my original DVD and most likely any other release that used my crawl).

It’s kinda weird knowing I just paid to watch something I created, but at the same time also fun and exciting. Maybe I should contact them and say “you’re welcome”. 😛

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#919423
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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Thank you for the feedback, everyone. This is exactly what I was looking for with this initial release.

dahmage said:
Sounds like you have your priorities in order! I haven’t checked this out yet, but I am glad that someone is putting the rifftrax on the newer release. Good work

As someone with OCD tendencies, it’s sometimes easier for me to stay on a more familiar path in order to avoid spending hours or days researching and experimenting on a particular aspect without making much progress on the project as a whole. It’ll be right on the final release.

Video Collector said:

Zion.

While I applaud your efforts on the whole, in a side-by-side comparison with the EditDroid version the G-force cartoon loses quite a lot of the linework due to the heavy DNR. Even with the EditDroid’s serious aliasing (source related), I feel it is the better option.

Looking forward to seeing your future efforts with this project.

Regards,
Fritz

I appreciate the specifics on the key differences. I’m leaning toward switching back to the EditDroid version as well.

Dreamaster said:

Don’t be afraid to desaturate the reds and magenta’s even more. To me it looks like the tint needs to be shifted into the green side a few notches as well. Might as well go for broke since you’re going through the trouble and make it look as natural as possible!

Thanks for noticing. I’m thinking about shifting the green/magenta a little bit more in addition to some secondary correction to desaturate the magenta. I’ve noticed several instances where the magenta is still quite overpowering compared to everything else.

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#919099
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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It’s not that I can’t edit, it’s just that one or two of the plugins weren’t happy with the source being interlaced. I’m sure I can work around that though, I just didn’t want to spend too much time worrying about that at the beginning, preferring instead to get the whole disc put together and always intending to go back and make improvements to the process.

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#918889
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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The reason I put it in my releases is because my intent is to recreate the version that was originally riffed by the RiffTrax crew. If you look at that particular release, the crawl looked a little different but it was there:

Crawl

Personally, I like that there are different approaches to the SWHS releases. I can appreciate a release like Tasjo’s WHIO DVD that aims to look and feel more like an original broadcast with the preceeding Hulk/Wonder Woman bumpers and news segment.

Mine is definitely aimed at more of a comedic feel. In addition to the RiffTrax commentary and crawl, the DVD menus and transitions are also meant to be comedic in nature. In fact, my favorite thing on the whole disc is the transition that plays when you select “Play with RiffTrax.” It’s hilarious in a cheesy, stupid sort of way, much like most of the RiffTrax commentary, and, to a lesser extent, the opening crawl.

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#918818
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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Partially, yes. As I mentioned, this is a beta release, and one of the things I intend to do for the final release is fix some interlacing issues in the menus and with the main program itself. It’s not seriously messed up or anything - far from it. But my workflow for this release ended up being a conversion from 29.97 interlaced to 29.97 progressive in order to make things like resizing and noise reduction more effective. The final product ended up back at 29.97i, but I’ve noticed some jaggies and aliasing issues here and there, such as in the opening crawl and some of the chapter menus. Since my workflow is entirely within Adobe After Effects and Premiere, I haven’t been able to use any of the Avisynth tools I normally do.

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#918694
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v2
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Admittedly, my decision to use your version was mostly based on the resolution difference, as well as the difference in the amount of color present. I may have to go back and compare the two again to see if the DVNR annoys me enough to switch back, but doing some color correction on yours to look more like the EditDroid (and/or the officially released cells) is definitely an option for the final release.