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#229696
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Info: Some thoughts on this community.
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Not to point you out or anything Marvolo, but I think your post just epitomized the exact thing boris is trying to address. I wouldn't be so quick to write him off - he makes a very good point.

Scanning through the boards every day, I see a lot of posts that just make me laugh. They make me laugh because I can't really understand how people can have so much hate for a person that they want so desperately to receive something from. It's one thing to dislike Lucas' treatment of the Original Trilogy, but it's completely another to talk about him as if he's the scum of the earth wishing he were dead. I think Jay made a pretty good point about that already on the General Discussion board.

But the other thing that I agree with boris on is that most of the time, this place isn't very kind or respectful of people who have a different viewpoint on the OT, or especially the PT. I think this place could do a much better job of respectfully disagreeing with someone over their opinions, rather than driving them off the site. Think about it.

boris said:
I am going to prove that this is wrong in September, when I will show everyone official DVD's that I own, that I had no problem buying and look worse then the September SW trilogy OUT discs.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this.
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#229625
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OOT DVDs - interlaced or progressive?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229625/action/topic#229625
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They all play back as interlaced video to comply with the NTSC standard, but the video itself on the DVD usually isn't. Most films on DVD these days, if not all, are encoded at 23.976 fps progressive, with a flag that tells the player to play it back as 29.97 fps interlaced video. This is much more efficient for the DVD author because it takes up less space since the framerate is lower, meaning that they can get away with a higher bitrate on the DVD.

If the master tapes they're working from are NTSC, then the video is interlaced to begin with and one might think (but not hope) that they would encode it to DVD that way, the lazy bastards.

Let's just hope they have good PAL sources as well and the PAL DVDs come out decent. You know, it might be quite interesting to compare the two versions once they come out to see if they're from the same master.
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#229517
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The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
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I'm not talking about a dissolve. Having recreated a few of the crawls myself, I know that the Star Wars logo, the starfield plate, and the crawl text are all separate elements. What they did was either take the logo element or the text element and change their timing so that they were onscreen at the same time. Either the logo was delayed a couple seconds, or the text was moved up a couple seconds. And of course they sped things up as well for effect in the trailer.
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#229510
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OOT DVDs - interlaced or progressive?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229510/action/topic#229510
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Yes, there are a lot of cadence errors in the interlacing on the LD. But I don't think that would actually carry over to a progressive-transfered DVD. If the errors caused the problems, then the entire film after the first cadence error would be off and about 1-3 of every 5 frames would be interlaced. I'm going to guess that Lucasfilm said hell with IVTC and are putting this out interlaced. I hope I'm wrong, but then again, there's always the PAL version.
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#229503
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The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229503/action/topic#229503
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I think zombie is correct to a point. What they show in that tiny shot from the new trailer is a crawl that's been edited to immediately show the difference between the old and new versions. From looking at that, I'm willing to bet the whole shot was a digital mock up. The star field is obviously not from the EOD version, or the 2004 DVD. The text is a different color as well (taking into account that the whole video is overly bright as well, the text and starfield shouldn't be that bright on the OUT DVD). What I think happened was somone took the digitally recreated crawl that they used for the OUT DVD and changed the logo to fade out at that moment so that it could be shown in that short clip on the trailer. I really don't think it's going to look like that on the DVD. But I do think that we're going to get a recreated crawl and not the original, because that would've taken a lot less work.

Also keep in mind that that yellow text in the trailer is about the same color as the text on the DC LD.
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#229169
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OUT Audio: Pablo Speaks
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229169/action/topic#229169
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Pablo Hidalgo talks about the Audio on the new DVDs at the SDCC Fan Club breakfast
"If you do pick up these singles, and listen to the bonus discs, do yourself a favor and listen to the French and Spanish language tracks. These are the old original foreign version dubs and there's some interesting sound effects that appear in those versions that don't appear in the English versions, so it's really interesting to listen to the different versions.

"[In the English version], specifically, you won't hear the stormtrooper 'close the blast doors!' and you won't hear C-3PO say 'the tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations, a power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave.' I got a chance to listen to these, and realized, that's the version I heard on VHS all these years! And yes, you will hear Luke say to Artoo 'you were lucky you don't taste so good,' as opposed to 'you were lucky to get out of there.' So, it's like an old friend coming home."

http://www.starwars.com/community/event/con/f20060718/indexp9.html
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#229112
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229112/action/topic#229112
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In the words of Lando, "We're working on it!"

Sorry, that's all I can say right now. I keep saying that another video is going up on the sight "soon", and I know that's seems to have taken bloody ages. Stuff happens. One week we're banging on all cylinders, the next, people are out of town and work/family/real life takes all of our time.

This is going as fast as it can, but even I'd be lying if I didn't say I wish we were finished by now.
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#228369
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228369/action/topic#228369
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From the Hyperspace audio, his exact words during the Q&A were: "It was a chance to go back to George again and say, 'George, this might be a really good opportunity, if you're ever gonna let us do this, how about for the fans we release the original versions?' You know as well as I do what George thinks. And George thinks, especially for Star Wars, it wasn't the movie that he wanted to put out."

So yeah, Sansweet's basically saying that we're lucky these are being put out at all.
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#228363
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228363/action/topic#228363
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Any and all "restoration" or "color correcting" Sansweet mentioned for this release was done back in '93. He's just trying to talk up whatever work was done for the Definitive Collection LDs.

It's disheartening - though not surprising - to hear Sansweet talking like that. He basically brushed off the anamorphic and quality issues by joking about them, then showed the actual (inferior) footage and says, "it doesn't look that bad, does it?". No, Steve, it DOES look that bad.
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#226622
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226622/action/topic#226622
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From my experience - and MBJ would probably tell you the same thing - what you see in those frames in the NTSC version are the burn marks "cleaned" up by the '93 THX process. If I recall correctly, you can see the same type of thing between the Japanese Special Collection and the Definitive Edition LDs. The JSC will have a scratch or a spot or something in one frame, and in the DE it's still kind of there but mostly not. Things like those burn marks, however, are not on the JSC.

Based on that, I'd say that the PAL and NTSC THX LDs are from the same transfer. I would also guess that the pre-THX LDs were possibly transfered from the same print, but from an earlier transfer.
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#225306
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World Cup 2006
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225306/action/topic#225306
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It was horribly shocking to see a man in his final World Cup appearance, in the World Cup Finals, in OVERTIME, with the GAME ON THE LINE, stoop so low to do something as classless as that. You'd think a guy with as much experience as he has, and everything to play for, would be setting the example for the rest of his team. A shame. I nearly turned if off to watch the golf tournament after that.

The match was pretty boring after the 80th minute or so. If not for that single scoring chance and the, um, incident, overtime was pretty much a waste of time. I still don't understand why overtime is not sudden death, yet penalty shots are if it's still tied after 5 rounds. That's like having sudden death overtime in baseball. I'll never understand this game.
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#224536
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224536/action/topic#224536
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Let's say you saved each frame in PNG format. At 2K resolution, that would be around 6MB per frame. Thats over a terrabyte in storage space for the whole film. Don't forget that any OOT film you can find is probably going to look like this when scanned. If it takes years to scan and assemble the film digitally, it'll take at least that long to clean up frame by frame.