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#230528
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The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230528/action/topic#230528
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Even better. Here is a scan of an original 77 print (let's just say this is from the "X0 Project archives"):

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7321/crawl77printus1.jpg

This would pretty much prove that not only does the OUT release look to have the original starfield, but so does Empire of Dreams and the 2004 DVD. Which begs the question, why did the other releases not have this starfield? I wonder if the "A New Hope" theatrical version had this "new" starfield as well.



And here is another scan. This one shows one of the last frames the Star Wars logo is visible:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4549/crawl77print2ii9.jpg

This would confirm that the OUT trailer crawl is somehow doctored, seeing that the logo is nowhere near this faded away in the clip and the crawl is farther along.
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#230494
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Adamwankenobi
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230494/action/topic#230494
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Most know him as a serial troll that kept getting banned and coming back under different names. I'm sure a lot of people here have stories of their personal encounters with him. I never returned any pms or emails he sent me, choosing to just ban him and delete all his posts.

Anyway, moving this to Off Topic as it has nothing to do with Star Wars...
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#230491
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230491/action/topic#230491
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Darth First said that he was under the impression that some restoration work had been done to the new OUT release. From LFL's point of view - according to Steve Sansweet at SDCC - there has been extensive cleaning and color correction done to it. The catch is that it was done in 1993 and we've already seen it as the Definitive Collection laserdisc set. If you've been reading over at MF.com, you also know that insider HB said, "Hunt is 100% correct - these are the 93 LD masters and non-anamorphic," also mentioning that they have gone with cheaper vendors and even the menus on the bonus discs are static.

If Lucas still holds original negatives/prints/whatever of the original films, nobody really knows for sure. Just like people say that they went to great lengths to destroy all prints of the original films that were released. One could probably make a case that either one of those statements is false, or that both of them are true. The truth is, we don't know what still exists in the "Lucasfilm archives" or in the hands of Lucas himself.

He could have 4k scans of the original films sitting around collecting dust for all we know. I remember hearing a report back in 2001-2002 that they had already begun digitally transfering the original film negatives. But again, who knows if that is true.

All I know for sure is that most of the people here are going to be dissapointed with the OUT release, no matter if they're interlaced and single layer or not. Five years from now when the SE's have all come out in the theater in 3D, we'll be having this same conversation about why the originals haven't been released on a modern format.
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#230458
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The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230458/action/topic#230458
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I don't really know what to think, but I have a couple of theories:

1. The Empire of Dreams crawl is not genuine, but is a digitally recreated crawl done with the same starfield used on the 2004 DVD (and apparently the OUT DVD).
2. The Empire of Dreams crawl is genuine, and the original starfield was used on the 2004 DVD. This would mean that the '93 starfield is not the original.
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#230451
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The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230451/action/topic#230451
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Just so we can talk about all the sources on the same level, here are all the crawls in question, captured the exact same way and adjusted black levels:


Definitive Collection Laserdisc (X0 capture):
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5743/crawldcyk4.jpg

2004 DVD:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2128/crawl2004fs1.jpg

Empire of Dreams:
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/278/crawleodeo4.jpg

OUT Trailer:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5092/crawlouttrailerho4.jpg

And for fun, a crawl created by me:
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7595/crawlx0betaoa9.jpg


I'd also like to point out that my crawl's starfield is restored from the DC LD capture (X0 Project starfield recovery). You can tell that it is a completely different starfield than the DVD, EOD, and the OUT trailer...
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#230313
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OOT DVDs - interlaced or progressive?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230313/action/topic#230313
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It wouldn't be very hard to IVTC yourself while using it for a fan edit either. But I think Moth3r's initial point was that not only is it sloppy on their part to release an interlaced DVD, but this is yet another reason why the OUTs are going to be lower quality than they could be. If the rumors are true and they are putting this on a DVD5, and that there will be additional material on the disc, like video game demos and what have you, the bit rate for the film is going to be absurdly low.
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#230269
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Star Wars 3-D?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230269/action/topic#230269
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
So with theater attendance down, they're expecting movie theaters to make this huge investment in a new technology? I just don't see why they'd make the investment in this when a lot of theaters still haven't made the jump to digital. Not to mention that I can just see a lot of wireless goggles disappearing after every viewing, just like the special glasses at Disneyland disappear. I hope those glasses are cheap or have some kind of tracking technology. I don't think a theater would like to lose several pair after each viewing.


You don't push technology forward by sitting back and waiting to see what happens. Lucasfilm has been pushing theaters to switch to digital projectors since 2000-2001. These days, you finally see major chains converting their equipment to digital. Theater attendance is down, that is a well known fact, but I think theater owners are going to realize that the only way to bring attendance back up is to offer something that they can't get at home. And that's where this new 3D technology comes in. That article says that they can play the 3D movies on the already existing digital projectors. All that needs to happen is for enough theaters to convert to digital so that making 3D movies is worth the investment.

Did anyone see Superman Returns in the IMAX? I thought it was pretty cool that some of the scenes were in 3D. This new technology is supposed to be much more advanced.
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#230262
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Info: The LID Project: Laserdisc is dead.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230262/action/topic#230262
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Let's try to keep the OUT DVD discussion in one of the other threads, eh? This was more or less a project thread last time I checked.





nin! Good to see you here again, my friend. I hope you'll stick around for a little while.
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#230259
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230259/action/topic#230259
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Originally posted by: Jay
I know a lot of you are frustrated. I am too, though I've grown less and less attached to Star Wars as Lucas continues to disregard his fans more and more.

I have no problem with valid criticisms of George Lucas. You can even call the guy an asshole on occasion if it makes you feel better about the whole thing. However, praying for his death is going a bit too far.

Occasional venting is totally fine, but let's try to keep our comments constructive from now on.

Thanks.


A good point to keep in mind in times like these...
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#230249
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STAR WARS CELEBRATION IV in Los Angeles - May 24-28 2007
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230249/action/topic#230249
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Just thought I'd mention here that there will also be a Celebration Europe at Earl's Court in London. I don't think there are any confirmed dates yet, but it's going to be in July 2007.

I'm thinking about going, but I'd have to hook up with some other people to share room costs and such. And I don't think anyone I know is going at this point.
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#229729
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229729/action/topic#229729
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Yes more media content is coming, but I just moved and I haven't gotten a chance to recalibrate my monitor yet. That may not sound like a big deal, but I need to make sure that whatever I'm color correcting looks exactly the way I want it to before I call it done, and I can't do that unless my monitor's levels are accurate. As soon as I get that done, I can put up some comparison shots of the raw capture and finished version, as well as some more video.
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#229712
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Info: Some thoughts on this community.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229712/action/topic#229712
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To address what's being said about the X0 Project vs. the Official OUT DVDs:

The cleanup involved in the 1993 release actually did remove a lot of dirt and scratches. The immense amount of dirt in the pre-THX LDs is evidence enough. But the cleanup didn't remove everything and the ghosting it left behind is almost unbearable for me to watch anymore. You'd be surprised how many burn marks were still in the video after their extensive cleanup job. All of these will be absent from the X0 release, as will the shots horribly affected by the DVNR.

I've said many times in the past that I have no doubt the X0 will be better than the OUT, and I still stand by my words. Though if the OUTs prove to be much higher quality than any of us anticipate, I will graciously bow to Lucasfilm's effort and take a large helping of crow.
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#229696
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Info: Some thoughts on this community.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229696/action/topic#229696
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Not to point you out or anything Marvolo, but I think your post just epitomized the exact thing boris is trying to address. I wouldn't be so quick to write him off - he makes a very good point.

Scanning through the boards every day, I see a lot of posts that just make me laugh. They make me laugh because I can't really understand how people can have so much hate for a person that they want so desperately to receive something from. It's one thing to dislike Lucas' treatment of the Original Trilogy, but it's completely another to talk about him as if he's the scum of the earth wishing he were dead. I think Jay made a pretty good point about that already on the General Discussion board.

But the other thing that I agree with boris on is that most of the time, this place isn't very kind or respectful of people who have a different viewpoint on the OT, or especially the PT. I think this place could do a much better job of respectfully disagreeing with someone over their opinions, rather than driving them off the site. Think about it.

boris said:
I am going to prove that this is wrong in September, when I will show everyone official DVD's that I own, that I had no problem buying and look worse then the September SW trilogy OUT discs.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this.
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#229625
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OOT DVDs - interlaced or progressive?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229625/action/topic#229625
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They all play back as interlaced video to comply with the NTSC standard, but the video itself on the DVD usually isn't. Most films on DVD these days, if not all, are encoded at 23.976 fps progressive, with a flag that tells the player to play it back as 29.97 fps interlaced video. This is much more efficient for the DVD author because it takes up less space since the framerate is lower, meaning that they can get away with a higher bitrate on the DVD.

If the master tapes they're working from are NTSC, then the video is interlaced to begin with and one might think (but not hope) that they would encode it to DVD that way, the lazy bastards.

Let's just hope they have good PAL sources as well and the PAL DVDs come out decent. You know, it might be quite interesting to compare the two versions once they come out to see if they're from the same master.