The Dark Horse comics are a good intro to the old EU. I would also second the recommendations of Lost Stars and Galaxy of Fear.
Things I liked most: Kylo Ren, the practical effects, the fact that it didn’t make the same mistakes the Prequels made.
Things I disliked most: Pandaring nostalgia for the OT, inferior music and action, poor implementation of humor and a setting that’s a soft reboot for all intents and purposes.
Not having these movies be tied down to some “master plan” is one of the smartest decisions they made. Worked for the OT, is working for the ST. PT tried the “master plan” and failed spectacularly.
Not that any of this has to do with Hal’s edit.
The OT had one consistent plot that was made from day one. The ST is directionless and is written by whoever is in charge at the moment.
Which still makes me wonder about the 2 years production delay between trilogy entries under the rule of Disney. But TLJ is full of this little issues with items and characters out of the blue: the dice no one has never mentionned before, jedi books no one has never needed before (and certainly not Luke during the OT), an admiral that was nowhere to be seen the day before and who’s taking over the ops, Maz whose castle was destroyed a few days ago who can still be called by 3D phone and who’s in a situation we don’t get, Ren who needed to complete his training but who’s not doing so during the movie, Phasma who was left for dead and who betrayed the first order is now back in business, red guards that don’t react until the body they were supposed to guard is in two pieces, knights of Ren that seem to be something important in TFA and that are still not invited to join the fight (Ren has only almost killed, no hurry guys), Finn who becomes in a few hours a Resistance hero eveybody knows about, etc.
(that’s why I still don’t see the differences between Lucas and Disney on that matter anyway)
A lot of it has to do with the time period between TFA and TLJ. TFA ended in a cliffhanger, meaning that TLJ had to answer it immediately. If there was somehow a timeskip between the two, a lot of the plot holes you brought up wouldn’t exist.
I’m against SJWs as much as the next person, but this seems more then a bit excessive.
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
The Force Awakens
The Phantom Menace
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones
The Ewok Films
The Clone Wars Movie
The Holiday Special
Does anyone know where to get a copy of the AC edits? Looks like both users who had copies have been banned.
PM sent.
You missed (or ignored) the point of my post, which is while you may not like it, others might, and I’m not sure why others liking it would leave you baffled.
Baffled was not been a good choice of words on my part. It was just surprising that so many jokes were cut yet some goofy porg scene wasn’t. But whatever, the Fallen Knight edit was made by one guy who tried to make what he thought was the the best possible version in his opinion, if he thought keeping the porg scene was for the best then so be it.
I’m also baffled as to why it didn’t cut things like…the Chewie eating a porg.
Because some people like that part?
It’s not exactly Jar Jar stepping in shit.
My ideal version would cut the final porg with the sad eyes but leave the part with the other 3.
Reading about The Fallen Knight
Cut Canto Bight completely, and then cut Rey / Kylo / Luke stuff?
Jeez… the point of cutting Canto Bight is to focus on their story, not shorten it.
That’s one edit I’m gonna skip
I loved it when I first saw it, but the more I thought about it the more continuity errors and other issues I noticed. Holdo and Rose appear out of nowhere and Finn is only in the first and last 15 minutes of the entire film. The scene of Poe getting demoted is intact yet feels jarring as Poe’s entire arc is otherwise cut. I’m also baffled as to why it didn’t cut things like the ridiculous telegraphing of Snoke’s death and the Chewie eating a porg. It felt rushed and more of a template for future, more in depth edits. I still enjoyed parts of it and the inclusion of the deleted scenes was really well implemented.
Oh that’s cool ! As if Johnson was aware people would like to fanedit his movie 😃
I think it’s more a case of that’s how the film originally was, and the studio said “we need more humor. Cut these scenes out and make them funnier.”
No.
Yeah, It’s kind of the case, unfortunately.
Very interesting and ambitious. Curious in seeing how the final version turns out as you are taking out a lot of things that were important to the original version of TLJ.
Very, very rough test for an idea regarding Luke dropping the lightsaber:
That’s great, I’d like to use that. It would be nice to have a shot of the saber landing. Perhaps that could be composited from some other shots, or even filmed by someone with a replica saber.
I’ve been playing around with the digital release and exploring ways to alter Canto Bight.
I’m trying out a less aggressive editing path first off which would be going from the prison cell conversation to them in hyperspace. I am curious whether it would be best to cut to a different scene after the prison or one right after the other to make it less confusing.
-Cut from prison cell to hyperspace
-Used The Last Jedi OST to smooth over transitionI think this needs something in between to establish that they get into/are in the ship and/or that the ship leaves Canto Bight.
That’s the issue. I can’t find anything as of right now that would serve that purpose well. If I can’t find it then maybe just a trimmed fathier chase is the route. But I’d really like to find a way to get rid of it entirely.
The fathier chase wouldn’t be too bad if it was shortened. As long as the cringy lines and overly comedic shots of the casino being smashed up are gone.
Finally got to seeing it and I really enjoyed it. Nice work!
Would you remove Holdo?
She’s too important to the plot to remove entirely. But, depending on who’s edit you’re watching, some of her more confrontational dialogue with Poe might be trimmed.
On Phasma’s return, let’s put it this way: The issue is definitely that she does little in TFA, and appears to die, then returns in TLJ to do very little again then appears to die again.
Removing her from TLJ is one way to minimise some of the relative weakness of that plot. Her arc, or rather Finn’s arc, becomes that she’s Finn’s overseer in TFA and ultimately he disposes of her. We don’t see her again.
However, without needing to wait two years between movies (which we can do now that TLJ is out), I think the better arc is as follows:
- She’s Finn’s overseer in TFA
- Finn leaves the First Order
- She doesn’t appear again in TFA - it’s not implied that she died on SKB
- Finn’s a traitor to the FO but struggles to commit to the Resistance in TLJ
- She appears in TLJ the way she currently does, reinforcing that Finn is a traitor to the FO in a scene where, through DJ, we learn one of the key issues of not picking a side.
- Finn kills her for good, shortly before we see him properly commit to the Resistance.
That way, one of the key weaknesses of her character (“die” > return > die) is removed, but she gives Finn the stronger arc and his (one on-screen) killing of her is a part of his journey towards being able to commit to the Resistance. The change this’d require is her removal from the SKB scenes of TFA.
Well then we would need a way to edit out her SKB scene while still letting the audience know that the shields were deactivated.
lol, no, I won’t be doing that. 😃
Glad to hear.
The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is extremely unreliable. The Black Panther score is 78 and when I clicked on the reviews (curious why it was so low compared to the critics) I swear 75% of the reviews were “looks good” or “too many superhero movies not gonna see”. People are reviewing movies they haven’t even seen
It might have been the same for TLJ. If you think the Rotten Tomatoes critic score is skewed somehow, fine use IMBD or Metacritic. But don’t trust the audience score.
Yeah, here’s some of the gems from the Rotten Tomatos audiance score for TLJ:
“From the point of view of a fan you will be insulted of the ways the original characters went, a great movie for critics, SJW’s but not for true Star Wars Fans”
“Too much of wrong in this film. I think they (the big Disney) focused on fem more than the film. RIP Starwars”
“Rian Johnson’s mama so fat that he ran out of gas trying to drive around her.
And she wrote her son’s name wrong at the registry office so it pronounced Reean instead of Ryan, and this caused a lot of trouble to her kid when he went to school.
He was bullied so badly because of his ridiculous name (and his ridiculous fatty mom) that he promised he would destroy his schoolmate’s childhood heroes the exact moment he had that opportunity.
And here we are.”
How about adding a joke - a porg getting impaled by Luke’s lightsaber when the other one plays with it? 😃
Eh, there’s this edited scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5-Mvrf2aI0
But I don’t know how it would be possible to make the transition to Rey picking it up not feel a bit wonky.
As I think on it, I anticipate removing Phasma from TLJ altogether. The film is overstuffed, and Phasma already had a plausible “out” in TFA. She was not necessary to the story of TLJ at all, and cutting her material allows for a much easier removal of some problematic Finn, Rose, and BB8 stuff.
It will depend on whether it can be pulled off. I’m pretty sure it would require some visual FX work to remove her from several shots, since she is present for an extended scene as DJ sells out the Resistance and Finn and Rose are prepared for execution.If it’s doable, this is what I’d prefer, but I am far from certain it would be.
You can still keep in her in it and just axe her fight with Finn. That’s what I plan to do. She catches them, orders their execution and then the ship gets sliced in half, then Finn and Rose escape.
It’s far easier than removing her entirely and I think still serves the same goal.
The problem with that is that now she appears for a bit in 2 films and does absolutely nothing.
I thought posting Solo images, even fan art, was against the spoiler rules. At least there was a redundant post made in this thread for some reason about the TLJ spoiler update.
I don’t see why an image of the Falcon and two TIEs would be considered a spoiler.
Probably because of the design of the Falcon. Of course it also appears in the trailers.
Let’s just hope they don’t have timecodes.
Here what i would say in the crawl.
Episode 6 Revenge of The Jedi
The Rebellion Needs Han Solo To Survive! Meanwhile Vader and The Empire Are Searching to the end of the galaxy for Luke Skywalker after he slipped thorough the Fingers Of Lord Vader.
2 Months After The Shocking betrayal at the hands of Lando Calrissian. Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine and is Waiting for The arrival of the Millennium Falcon. Luke Skywalker and The Rebellion had just finished there preparations to rescue the charming Han Solo from
The Evil Gangster Jaba the Hutt…
The number and paragraphs and paragraph structure is way off, I know that RotJ was the one whose crawl diverged the most from the traditional style, but this is too much.
Nice work man!
Make the first half revenge and revial and add a transition 23 years later then pick up with the rebels episodes.
That could work, almost like how Rogue One has a 10 minute prologue.
My only question is would it be worth it? I personally find the clone wars arcs more interesting (armies of boba fetts, obi-wan is more prevalent + shows us a new side of him, and more epic duels). The rebels arc has the quick final fight, but beyond that is lackluster imo. Plus you’d have to introduce all the rebels cast.
Maybe following the end credits an “epilogue” could play, which would Twin Suns with only Maul scenes.
I don’t think it should be after the credits, but yeah, the conclusion should just be the Twin Suns episode of Rebels without the Ezra and Chopper shenanigans.