Zachary VIII

Could there be some way to edit both the movies into a mini series?

OutboundFlight said:

Zachary VIII said:

I’m not annoyed by Rey being competent at lightsabers, I am annoyed by her being able to fly the Falcon. Is there an explanation for this?

Not my knowledge- Rey says it is her first time.

I suppose she learned the skill with speeders on Jakku? That’s probably where she learned to be fluent in Droid and Wookiee too.

I guess so. But speeders and freighters are way different. This same problem is in ANH, but it can kind of be explained by Luke piloting speeders with a similar cockpit configuration to an X-Wing. I guess the whole thing can be chalked up to “the force wills it”.

EDIT:

DominicCobb said:

She says something to the effect of “I’ve flown some ships but never left the planet,” so maybe not the Falcon specifically, but she has flown before, and is familiar enough with the Falcon to know about its various upgrades.

Ok, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

I’m not annoyed by Rey being competent at lightsabers, I am annoyed by her being able to fly the Falcon. Is there an explanation for this?

Anakin Starkiller said:

If we meet the Whills, my life will be complete.

I don’t think they’ll introduce any concepts that general audiences aren’t aware of. Especially something as strange as the Whills.

DominicCobb said:

Wish there was a way to do a poll on this site.

Do we think that’s:
A. Jakku
B. Tatooine
C. Jedha
D. Some new desert planet

Maybe more than one planet?

NeverarGreat said:

Zachary VIII said:

I’m placing my bets on the title being “A New ____”, something like “A New Dawn” or “A New Order”. It feels nicely circular.

“The Delineated Menace”

“The Phantom Attack of the Sith”

I’m placing my bets on the title being “A New ____”, something like “A New Dawn” or “A New Order”. It feels nicely circular.

I’m not that against the idea. I just don’t think it’s marketable to put the main hero in a relationship with the villain that killed Han Solo and was the primary antagonist of the previous 2 films. It’s not impossible, but there has to be a good reason to go in that direction, and it would piss off a lot of people.

A Reylo type relationship required Kylo to be less evil in TFA and for Rey to join Kylo in TLJ. It’s infeasible to squeeze it into IX at this point with how the previous 2 films have been.

LILIAN02230 said:

ROTJ link for darthrush edit please ?

I’ll PM you if you still don’t have it.

NeverarGreat said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Can something be done to totally overhaul Han’s death? In the movie, he just walks into it when it’s bloody obvious he’s gonna die, and Kylo has no reason to kill him beyond being the villain and Han being a mentor figure.

Imagine if we knew in advance that Ben was more light side than dark, but kept up the charade to kill Snoke and unite the Republic and First Order in peace. Snoke would suspect that his student was false, and would demand proof of his devotion - the killing of someone he loved. Ben would be forced to choose between his vision of a unified galaxy and his own father, and in the moment he chooses his father. But at that moment the Starkiller fires and destroys the Republic capitol, killing many people whom he knew and secretly admired. The disturbance is so great that he ignites the saber without realizing it, killing his father and assuring him the trust of the Supreme Leader.

That would be the movie I’d like to see.

I like this. It would definitely be more tragic, and more consistent with Kylo’s characterization in TLJ.

RogueLeader said:

I personally think the perspective people have on the B Plot, with Canto Bight and everything, is going to depend if those lessons carry over into Episode IX. How will we see Poe handle being a leader, will Finn act on the lesson of “saving what we love”, and will there be some kind of resolution to this original sin of war that TLJ sort of paints? Will they break the cycle? As the second act in a trilogy, I wonder if these things could be set ups that have pay offs in Episode IX.

And if they do, it could add value to all of those scenes. I could change my mind after Episode IX comes out, but atm that is personally why I disagree with cutting any important scenes of the B Plot.

I understand that the space chase feels slow (I’ve heard others suggest looking at it more as a siege rather than a chase), and the Fathier chase feeling pointless. Maybe the chase would’ve been more visually interesting if they were jumping in and out of hyperspace, or I can understand wanting to trim or cut the Fathier chase. I just think a lot of the conversations between characters add value to the story, and it might be important for what’s to come, too.

Even if the themes from those B plots carry over to IX, the way those plots are implemented is still flawed and bogs down the movie IMO. All it needed was some tighter writing. But I know it’s impossible to perfectly fix those kinds of things in an edit, just like you can’t 100% fix how convoluted rescuing Han from Jabba in RotJ is, or how ridiculous the 100+ Jedi running around in the arena in AoC looks.

RogueLeader said:

I mean, I hate that some people don’t enjoy these films. Not saying people are wrong for their own opinions. Just sharing my own because I want people to enjoy them like I do! That’s all.

I feel very mixed about TLJ. I like the Luke, Kylo and Rey interactions. I don’t understand most of the complaints about Luke not wanting to help the Resistance. I think it would have been a painfully predictable movie if Luke just packed his things and left with Rey, fought and killed some Knights of Ren with his green lightsaber, and sacrificed himself in a big explosion or something. At the same time, all of Canto Bight, and most of the snail paced chase between the First Order and Resistance fleet are boring and have some glaring plotholes.
Overall I think TLJ and RotJ are comparable in that the high points are really good but the low points are hard to watch. It’s a better film than TFA, but I wouldn’t really have any desire to casually watch an unedited version.

fmalover said:

For me the most baffling complaint about Star Wars has been one brought up by Jeremy Jahns about Mace Windu’s lightsaber. He was bothered about Mace’s lightsaber being purple, and that lightsaber blades should only be blue or green for the good guys and red for the bad guys. I see nothing wrong with lightsaber blades being whatever colour people want them to be. Hell, I myself would like to see an orange-bladed lightsaber introduced in the Disney canon.

The purple lightsaber makes perfect sense. Mace has a super unorthodox fighting style, so he has an unorthodox lightsaber. In my ideal canon, purple would be a rare neutral color that both Jedi and non-Sith Dark Side users would wield. IIRC Legends sort of had that with Mara Jade using a purple blade even when working for the Emperor, unless I’m completely misremembering and she only got that lightsaber when she became a Jedi.

Half of the humor had this smartass self aware vibe to that rubbed many people the wrong way. I think they were trying to imitate the OT style of humor, but it felt more like the MCU and Joss Whedon school of comedy, which is becoming dated and repetitive from a decade of overexposure.
The other half was BB-8 slapstick and Finn being a clown. I didn’t mind most of the BB-8 comedy, but I don’t think Finn’s dialogue should be as lighthearted, considering his backstory and character arc is pretty serious.
I personally think maybe about a third of the jokes in the Sequels landed. That’s certainly better than the Prequels (unless you retroactively count the dozens of quotes that have become memes), but the ANH, TESB and even Solo do it better imo.

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

I don’t see anything wrong with someone disliking the Sequels, or any of the Star Wars films, as long as they’re respectful about it. These disagreements cause a lot of good debates and can inspire people to try to create fixes for perceived problems. There are plenty of people here that like the Prequels, and those that don’t. There’s no reason why it should be any different for the Disney films.

I totally agree with you. It all comes down to approach, behavior, and attitude. We all have our likes and dislikes.

Yeah, that’s how I see it. The people who say stuff like “TLJ is the worst film of all time” are not being constructive or even explaining their criticisms in a coherent. I think the backlash will calm down after IX is released, and people will have more calm discussions about why they like or don’t like the trilogy.

I don’t see anything wrong with someone disliking the Sequels, or any of the Star Wars films, as long as they’re respectful about it. These disagreements cause a lot of good debates and can inspire people to try to create fixes for perceived problems. There are plenty of people here that like the Prequels, and those that don’t. There’s no reason why it should be any different for the Disney films.

Hal 9000 said:

If Tony can still do it (or at least a voiceover) whenever they get around to an Episode X-XII trilogy, I would hope that it involves R2 and 3PO several decades or perhaps a century following this trilogy. If not, just R2.

I’m not too hyped for a “post sequel” trilogy. But if it has to be made, it should come out at least in the early 2030’s so that there’s some breathing room between trilogies. And yeah, it should take place firmly in whatever the Disney canon’s Legacy era will be.

It sounds very good on paper, but I’m not sure about the feasibility. If done, it would be one of the most complex edits of all time.

Having eyebrows just doesn’t seem accurate or makes sense, even if it does convey more emotion.

Creox said:

OutboundFlight said:

snooker said:

OutboundFlight said:

snooker said:

I feel like the Death Star existing at all ruins all of Star Wars, from a certain point of view.

The Americans have built (and used) the nuke, what does everyone else do? They build their own, of course! Why doesn’t the Republic start building Death Stars after VI, or, better yet, why doesn’t the Empire build like 20 after their rise to power? Realistically the sequel trilogy should be about two sides having nuclear bombs pointed at each other yelling.

But it’s Star Wars, so it doesn’t need to make realistic, logical sense. The expanded universe tells us all the reasons that this doesn’t happen. Moviegoers don’t get that info, but they don’t care because the story is about the characters.

The Atomic Bomb is different because it has never been used by bad people. It’s two proper uses were the lesser of two evils at a time of world war. But if North Korea started decimating cities with no weapons, I’d bet the entire world would illegalize nukes once North Korea’s dealt with.

My sweet summer child…

Geneva Convention?

There is good evidence the bombs did not have to be dropped and that the US did so to let the USSR know they had them.

I agree that the U.S had an ulterior motive for using the bombs. But it’s not like Operation Downfall was a great looking alternative, and that’s what it would come to if much of the Japanese army leadership had their way.

I like it a lot. You cut L3 just right, where her personality is still similar, but she’s not so annoying. The color correction is subtle, but works pretty well.
Cutting so much of the beginning felt kind of strange at first, but I see why you did it. It makes Han’s past more mysterious as it doesn’t show why he has to leave Corellia or who exactly is chasing him. The title card seems to go a bit too quick though, where you’ll almost miss it if you blink.
Overall I’d say this is pretty good, especially for a first edit, and fixes some of the problems with, what I think is, an underrated Star Wars movie.

snooker said:

I feel like the Death Star existing at all ruins all of Star Wars, from a certain point of view.

The Americans have built (and used) the nuke, what does everyone else do? They build their own, of course! Why doesn’t the Republic start building Death Stars after VI, or, better yet, why doesn’t the Empire build like 20 after their rise to power? Realistically the sequel trilogy should be about two sides having nuclear bombs pointed at each other yelling.

But it’s Star Wars, so it doesn’t need to make realistic, logical sense. The expanded universe tells us all the reasons that this doesn’t happen. Moviegoers don’t get that info, but they don’t care because the story is about the characters.

The Death Star took 20 years to build and was probably manned by hundreds of thousands of crew. It would be unrealistic for the canon New Republic to construct something like that when their constitution limits their military so much.

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

The real question is whether the ST will be more loved than the PT.

I think the movies will. But the video games, books, comics and cartoons that expand the PT era will be viewed as better than the ST era expanded universe.

I disagree. The other forms of media helped fill in plot holes that Lucas made in the prequels, and while they are better than the prequels, I would not say that they’re better than the sequel trilogy. Not to get off topic, but in my opinion, I did think the original Clone Wars micro-series was the most underrated piece of Star Wars content yet, and I thought Filoni’s series was VERY hit and miss. As for the sequel trilogy expanded universe, it’s good, but it’s still young in the amount of content compared to the twenty years of expanded content the prequels received. Let’s just see where it goes and just let it grow.

Even in the first few years of the PT, there was already a ton of new content because of the Clone Wars multimedia project. Especially in the area of video games, the early 2000’s gave us Battlefront, KOTOR, Republic Commando, Star Wars: Galaxies etc. So far all we’ve got from EA in the nearly 6 years since they got the rights to Star Wars games are 2 very mediocre Battlefront remakes. Also, say what you will about both Clone Wars series’, but they’re both certainly better than Resistance. I hope that the ST period gets some expansion, but it seems to be developing way slower than the PT expanded universe.

Definitely slower, but remember that a lot of PT content came after the movies (TCW premiered in 08, and we already have far more content from Resistance than we had from the contemporary Clone Wars series - quality aside). Don’t forget too that saying the Clone Wars multimedia project was “in the first few years of the PT” is inaccurate, as that didn’t kick off until after AOTC came out (and then continued after ROTS). There was definitely more, but it’s easy to misremember what came out when (not to mention, the PT had two extra years to fill out).

I think that, in-universe eras aside, there’s an argument to be made that the Disney years have been just as good when it comes to books and comics. Video game-wise things were indisputably better when LucasArts was still around (though the new Battlefronts are far from “mediocre”).

Maybe, I still remember there being way more stuff when the Prequels came out, though I was fairly young, so that may be why. Hopefully the early 2020s will have some good stuff. Also, the new Battlefronts have a ton of problems that are well documented. Jim Sterling recently did a pretty good video on EA’s Battlefront games.

fmalover said:

I remember reading that Disney was unhappy with the way EA has handled the SW licence and was thinking of prematurely terminating their deal, but nothing new since.

I really hoped there was truth to that story.

I don’t think they’re legally able to just terminate the contract, unfortunately.