Zachary VIII

I’m not sure if TFA is that much more violent than the OT and first 2 prequels. I think it’s more a matter of the occam’s razor shifting to the point PG-13 encompasses much of what PG used to. Both ANH and ESB would probably be rated PG-13 under today’s rating system for having arms/hands being cut off by a lightsaber. IMO the only Star Wars film that really deserves a “PG” edit is Episode 3.

Spoilers for the canon Darth Vader comic series:

The clone biochips in canon are dumb. I’ve just read the Darth Vader comic and in it a Jedi uses Order 66 to make a clone squad turn on their Inquisitor leaders because they’re technically still in the list of Jedi. He just says “execute Order 66” and the clones start gunning down the Inquisitors. What the hell is that? Why is “Order 66” a magic spell that anyone can use now instead of only the Chancellor himself?

Can I skip season 1 and still know what’s going on? Also, will I like the second season if I didn’t like the first one? I watched a bit of season 1 and hated it for its slapstick comedy and pedestrian conflicts.

oojason said:

Let’s try to return this thread to being about a new and fresh Star Wars Trilogy - rather than people continuing to bash on TLJ.

Take it to the Spaceballs thread good people 😉 Or keep the TLJ bashing to one of the many TLJ threads, please.

 

But TLJ is related to the Rian Johnson trilogy. It gives us an idea of what the style and presentation of this new trilogy will be. So it makes sense to refer to criticisms of TLJ when discussing expectations.

dahmage said:

Barely, and only in the beginning. But fair enough.

And on Luke’s island, and on Canto Bight.

DuracellEnergizer said:

OutboundFlight said:

rodneyfaile said:

If there are infinite universes, then the Unaltered Original Trilogy is on 4K UHD… somewhere…

If there are infinite universes…

Star Wars is real.

Physics don’t work that way.

In one of the universes it does.

rodneyfaile said:

The best would be a Darth Vader movie taking place directly after Revenge of the Sith.

Don’t the comics fill that niche?

OutboundFlight said:

OK… Here goes nothing…

Ever since watching Into the Spiderverse I have been obsessed with the concept of a multiverse and how it could be used by other franchises- namely Star Wars and the MCU. I wouldn’t be afraid to go crazy, though this may turn some of you off for how I “disrespect” the original saga:

I would read a TL for this story.

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

SilverWook said:

That Liam Neeson wasn’t able to record a voiceover for that scene in Episode III made Yoda’s mention of it to Obi Wan all the more cryptic and confusing.
Not sure I want to see Obi Wan communing with Qui-Gon’s ghost in the rumored Kenobi series either.

I loved what Hal 9000 did with his edit of Revenge of the Sith by adding in that dialogue from lines Liam Neeson recorded for Clone Wars.

Wait, that happened? I don’t remember it, and it’s not in the Fanedit.org change list.

It’s not listed, but he did add in Qui-Gon’s line, “Yoda. My old friend. Come to Dagobah. You must complete what I could not.”

Found it. That’s pretty cool, and fits extremely well.

nl0428 said:

SilverWook said:

That Liam Neeson wasn’t able to record a voiceover for that scene in Episode III made Yoda’s mention of it to Obi Wan all the more cryptic and confusing.
Not sure I want to see Obi Wan communing with Qui-Gon’s ghost in the rumored Kenobi series either.

I loved what Hal 9000 did with his edit of Revenge of the Sith by adding in that dialogue from lines Liam Neeson recorded for Clone Wars.

Wait, that happened? I don’t remember it, and it’s not in the Fanedit.org change list.

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

SilverWook said:

OutboundFlight said:

One possibility with force ghosts is they aren’t the ones projecting themselves… but rather it is the Jedi who are seeing the dead.

I mean, are you seriosuly telling me out of all the Jedi who fought in the Clone Wars only three were deemed worthy enough of force ghost… when one of them slaughtered millions?

Also see how only Luke notices the ghosts on Endor.

My theory is in the SW universe everyone who dies goes to the afterworld. They cannot interact with the real world unless someone they know has mastery over the force.

So if Rey wanted, she could see a force ghost of Han Solo. Because she calls for guidance from the light or whatever. Same for Ben… he could meet both the ghost of Vader and the ghost of Anakin, because he feels the pull of both sides.

I know this has been deemed uncanon by Yoda’s reference at the end of Ep 3 but Star Wars has changed things in lore before.

Great post! If it happens, I think it’s going to be Ben who somehow summons Anakin. With Snoke presumably gone, he’s still looking for something, and I doubt he’s abandoned his worship of Vader.

I think Ben’s “Let the past die” comments contradict him looking for Vader’s guidance. Though he’s in charge of what’s basically a neo-Empire. So maybe his whole philosophy is more about angst and less about consistency.

I really hope Ben doesn’t start wearing the Kylo Ren mask in Episode IX, as its backtracking on himself as a character, like nothing has happened to make him decide to stop acting like Vader.

I’m afraid there is some legit looking concept art floating around that seems to show Ben wearing a cracked mask. I really hope it doesn’t make it to the final product.

SilverWook said:

OutboundFlight said:

One possibility with force ghosts is they aren’t the ones projecting themselves… but rather it is the Jedi who are seeing the dead.

I mean, are you seriosuly telling me out of all the Jedi who fought in the Clone Wars only three were deemed worthy enough of force ghost… when one of them slaughtered millions?

Also see how only Luke notices the ghosts on Endor.

My theory is in the SW universe everyone who dies goes to the afterworld. They cannot interact with the real world unless someone they know has mastery over the force.

So if Rey wanted, she could see a force ghost of Han Solo. Because she calls for guidance from the light or whatever. Same for Ben… he could meet both the ghost of Vader and the ghost of Anakin, because he feels the pull of both sides.

I know this has been deemed uncanon by Yoda’s reference at the end of Ep 3 but Star Wars has changed things in lore before.

Great post! If it happens, I think it’s going to be Ben who somehow summons Anakin. With Snoke presumably gone, he’s still looking for something, and I doubt he’s abandoned his worship of Vader.

I think Ben’s “Let the past die” comments contradict him looking for Vader’s guidance. Though he’s in charge of what’s basically a neo-Empire. So maybe his whole philosophy is more about angst and less about consistency.

I think Anakin showing up as a force ghost in IX contradicts the canon too much. Qui-Gon invented the technique and taught it to Yoda and Obi-Wan. It’s kind of bizarre that Anakin even shows up in RotJ.

I really think there’s a subset of the community that will always be extremely hostile to the Disney stuff. All those 2 hour YouTube videos on why TLJ is the worst thing ever that have more than half a million views seems to be evidence of that. I don’t think the people who have bothered to sit through all that would suddenly drop their hate of Disney Star Wars simply because of a tv show or spin off film. Strangely, there’s also a political aspect as well. Many think it’s not just that the Disney films suck, it’s that they’re SJW propaganda because Holdo has purple hair and there’s a message against war profiteering or something. That makes it even more difficult to reconcile their dislike of the sequels, because it’s not just a matter of the films themselves, but also a matter of the viewer’s actual political identity.

It really captured the vibe of Tatooine. Reminded me of when the droids were lost in the desert/canyons during ANH.

rodneyfaile said:

I’ll be at the Galaxy’s Edge theme park soaking in all the Star Wars I can, seeing Episode IX multiple times in Dolby, and enjoying my Disney+ subscription. Life is short, I am going to enjoy what I enjoy.

Feel free to do that. But try to at least retain some class consciousness and remember what Disney is.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

But if Luke had stayed behind to finish his training, it wouldn’t have mattered if Leia died, from this point of view.

But then that just makes Yoda seem really cold and calculating.

Most of the music in both films just blends together imo. Though a few stick out like Rey’s theme.

I don’t get why people bring up Vader’s redemption when saying Kylo should survive IX and be forgiven. Vader died in the end, even though he was redeemed. It would be really weird if he survived and showed up in the celebration scene of RotJ wearing white armor or something, with everyone being friends after a short apology like it’s an episode of My Little Pony.
Ben has to face some type of consequences or else it cheapens the impact of his previous actions. At the very least, even if he’s redeemed, he should exile himself like how Ulic Qel-Droma did.

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

Zachary VIII said:

I’m interested in how they would even do a fourth trilogy. There likely won’t be any more Skywalkers by the end of IX, and I don’t see how they can make another mainline trilogy without them.

Me too, and I think most Star Wars fans would agree with you. Honestly, Episode 7 should’ve been Episode 10. One thing I don’t like about this new trilogy is how convoluted the story is. They have to explain things to us in Flashbacks, which Star Wars shouldn’t have to do. There could’ve been a whole other trilogy to explain what happened with Luke and Kylo Ren. It doesn’t make sense to skip to this point in time, when they could’ve told us the story in order, like the other 6 movies did. This trilogy should have been the 4th trilogy.

I doubt their 4th trilogy will have Skywalkers. Assuming Luke was a virgin the whole saga, there’s no real heir.

What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.

Kylo will probably die. And he has no heir.

leetwall31 said:

I can understand why LucasFilm didn’t want to tho. I imagine George’s original outline for Episode 9 probably concluded the entire Saga, and LucasFilm and Disney are not out to end the Star Wars story.

I’m interested in how they would even do a fourth trilogy. There likely won’t be any more Skywalkers by the end of IX, and I don’t see how they can make another mainline trilogy without them.

nl0428 said:

Hal 9000 said:

I wouldn’t mind checking out select episodes that are recommended, once the dust of the show settles. That’s what I did for TCW.
Personally I haven’t been able to watch much of any of the three shows because they’re just so damned ugly. I’ve said before that I’d read a novelized version of TCW.

I agree with your thoughts on the animation style. I think the look of Resistance feels cheap to me.

I would have liked all three Filoni shows to have had the Galaxy of Adventures art style.

Creox said:

DrDre said:

I view the ST thusfar as a somewhat failed experiment, not unlike the PT. In my view the OT is a self-contained story with a clear beginning, middle and end, with clear character arcs. That story has gotten lost somewhat with the addition of the PT, and ST. Both the PT and ST are superfluous imo, and cannot stand on their own. They both add something to the overall narrative, and lore, but at a hefty price. To me the overall narrative of the six part “tragedy of Anakin Skywalker” is significantly weaker than the three part “adventures of Luke Skywalker”, and the thusfar eight part “Skywalker saga” is weaker still. However, in the case of the PT, aside from the poor execution of many elements, the faults were built in from the get go, where the story’s outcome was a foregone conclusion, and it’s self-referential nature part of it’s DNA. It was therefore self-evident that story choices in the PT, might clash with the previously established self-contained story of the OT. It might have been better to have the PT be set in a much earlier time, or an earlier conflict to provide more of a disconnect between the PT and OT timelines, thus ensuring the OT’s narrative is not significantly impacted by the addition of episodes 1 to 3.

With the ST however the creators were free to forge their own path, to create new settings, new aesthetics, and a new conflict to drive the story forward. In my view this did not happen. The ST and Disney’s additions to the franchise in general have been self-referential to a fault, whether it’s by copying the OT’s settings, aesthetic, and general plot, or whether it is by using the OT’s story threads, and set pieces to misdirect, and subvert expectations, the ST at its core thusfar has failed to provide us with a new setting, and new story. It’s the current generation’s updated and modernized OT, where history seems destined to repeat itself ad nauseum:

The big question for me will be, whether episode IX can break through this cycle? If not, I fear for the future of the franchise, where in a worst case scenario Disney Star Wars will forever be a cover band playing Lucas’ greatest hits, changing the order of the verses with some newly updated (and in some cases inappropriate) arrangements, rather than to take Lucas’ style of music, and create some genuinely new songs.

I would also like Disney to push the envelope and I think they have plans to do exactly that with spinoffs and Rian’s planned trilogy. He did say the characters would have nothing in common with the PT, OT or ST.

I hope Rian’s trilogy is set in the Old Republic.

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

Valheru_84 said:

The only difference is that I don’t take any enjoyment out of it but definitely a fascination I guess of how from my perspective, Star Wars has gone so wrong from what initially looked like such a promising start to the ST.

Fair enough. The ST definitely has parts that could bother some fans. Hopefully the future spin offs and TV shows will have a more unified appeal.

Probably the opposite, the spin-offs will likely have specific appeal while the future films will be the big tent SW content.

As much as everyone loves Dave Filoni’s shows, I’m not really a fan of his work. Clone Wars was very hit and miss to me, and Rebels, while I thought it was good, could’ve been much much stronger. Dave Filoni seems like he knows Star Wars well, but I feel like I’m watching someone try to make Star Wars, rather than making Star Wars. And that has nothing to do with the show’s being animated, I LOVE animation, I just don’t think it worked out with what Filoni was doing. However, I really loved the original Clone Wars micro-series. With the sequel trilogy, I felt that Abrams and Johnson knew how to write, direct, and make Star Wars. Filoni’s content just seems watered down in comparison, not necessarily by its target audience, but by its tone and elements.

I like TCW, but it feels like a simplified version of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. And there’s certain aspects like Anakin’s personality that make the series feel like it’s in a completely different universe from the films. Tone wise, Dark Horse’s Republic comics feel much closer to the movies and larger Legends timeline. Rebel’s feels like a downgrade from TCW and Resistance is even worse.

Valheru_84 said:

The only difference is that I don’t take any enjoyment out of it but definitely a fascination I guess of how from my perspective, Star Wars has gone so wrong from what initially looked like such a promising start to the ST.

Fair enough. The ST definitely has parts that could bother some fans. Hopefully the future spin offs and TV shows will have a more unified appeal.