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#253032
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253032/action/topic#253032
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And just in case some have forgotten how GL thinks.

"The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it...I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it [the original OT] doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it."

- George Lucas

Riiiiiiight...http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/starwars/6-03-2004.jpg

I doubt tolkein would hold the same attitude.
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#253025
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253025/action/topic#253025
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Re: the believability of the Arena sequence.
Fans can be so weird about stuff like this. I don't see any comparison between cutting an apple and opening hand cuffs. Seeing the Emperor open his own set of cuffs in Jedi does not establish that Jedis can't be cuffed. If anything, it establishes that Jedi can be cuffed, since Luke was not able to take them off himself. All of Star Wars is a pastiche of other ideas from Flash Gordon and Dune and Samurai movies and Harryhausen and a lot more. The rules are already looser than a goose when a bunch of powerless Ewoks defeat the Imperial Stormtroopers with logs and rocks and shit.

As for the trench scene, controlling things going a gazillion miles an hour is not the issue. Making a rocket or any fast moving object go off course is incredibly easy-- if you can but nudge it. That's how race car accidents and such happen. A force push in the trenches would easily wipe out any ship Vader came near-- but that's not how the movies play it.

Each fan has to make peace with the un-realities of Star Wars his own way. I can't see the issues you bring up as problems. Much more important to me was the way the arena escape felt improvised and then shot through with random action with the awful Threepio stuff being the only throughline that actually built in any concrete way. This, fortunately, is something that can be fixed.


Ok, ok... http://www.altheabraithwaite.net/Feeling%20Scared.JPGforgive me for thinking if Padme can pull a hairpin out and unlock herself then a jedi should have no problem at all. There are actually bigger 'jedi are idiots' problems with the pt I hope can be somehow fixed but judging by the way Trooperman describes it, I'm expecting to be so completely engrossed in the drama that it doesn't even register as a thought during my view of his edit.

About vader and nudging the ships, perhaps but I've never really witnessed a race taking place in a 0g environment. So the physics are questionable if you catch my drift. You could say he nudged them with his ship's laser guns though.
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#253021
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The voice of Qui-Gon
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253021/action/topic#253021
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I was going to say you should use Schindler's list, but I forget whether he had an accent in that movie or not. But definitely batman begins, he also did the voice in the video game it says here on Imdb, and oh I didn't know he was in gangs of new york, but everyone had some fake accent in that so that's no good I guess, ah look here... I actually own the movie Next of kin for whatever reason, maybe it's to watch it and let you know if Neeson said anything in it that could be worth using... hmmm
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#253010
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253010/action/topic#253010
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Interesting, though, that people seem willing to give J.R.R. a pass on revising The Hobbit to fit with the later-composed The Lord of the Rings .... yet Lucas gets no such pass for sticking Hayden in Return of the Jedi, or deleting Yub Nub.


I hate the Hayden change because it sucks. Otherwise, I was never fond of the Yub Nub song and deemed that change superior.

The only principled objection I make to the special editions beyond obviously bad changes is the way George is trying to erase the originals with them and pretend they were his original vision; Tolkien never tried doing that as an author. All of the amazing art and historical success that went into the orginal versions of Star Wars films deserves immense respect. That ethic is beyond George Lucas' ownership rights in my opinion. Releasing quality home versions that try to capture the nature of the original versions as best as possible fit into this criticism for me as well. George Lucas has the legal right to destroy historical artwork, but not the moral right.


Bingo. I say change whatever you want as long as the originals aren't treated like they were never released in theaters and sold zillions of tickets. Star Wars is widely regarded as classic whether Lucas meant it to be or not and he's been milking that fame for years. Is what we ask for in return too much?
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#253008
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253008/action/topic#253008
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Interesting, though, that people seem willing to give J.R.R. a pass on revising The Hobbit to fit with the later-composed The Lord of the Rings .... yet Lucas gets no such pass for sticking Hayden in Return of the Jedi, or deleting Yub Nub.

I don't think it's valid to say the practice is alright if you happen to like the change, but the practice is immoral revisionism if you view the particulary change unfavorably.


I don't like the practice at all, and object to it on principal rather than on individual merit of case-by-caseness. I don't give Tolkien a pass ... and considering his rather clever solution of making the original version a "lie" told by Bilbo, it was completely unnecessary to change The Hobbit at all.



Still, the Tolkien precedent ... (and there are surely others) seems to give George a little bit of artistic cover for his revisionism.


Grrrrr.


Or my psychology textbook. It's changed to a new edition every year... Grrrr.

I tend to view book changes differently than films since well not only are books different from films but now in the digital age old editions of text are probably easy to find online. Usually the original film is presented in the same quality format as the revised one, giving us a choice with little consequence. I have ET the special edition disc and convieniently can pop in the original if I want to see it again. Both are on equal ground as far as dvd treatment goes as far as I know. And I don't know why GL didn't do the same for the original star wars and the rest. We probably have the original theatrical cut of Willow on anamorphic quality dvd but not star wars, a classic part of cinema history. Something just seems wrong about that.

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#252927
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Terminator 3 T-HOPE Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252927/action/topic#252927
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Thank you for doing this. I'm one of those people who will really enjoy this because I was for whatever reason satisfied with and dissapointed by the latest terminator movie. I guess I was satisfied that it wasn't all bad and had some sort of meaning, mostly at the end, but very dissapointed by some of the nonsense they did in the movie.

I guess I could be really hard on the movie because it proposes judgment day is inevitable completely undermining Cameron's story with its "no fate but we make for ourselves" theme. However some argue that that line can still be applied here in this film as we see john's resolve to "keep fighting" be realized and he doesn't know if there is a fate or not but I suppose he'll be fighting to make one. So in a way it still makes sense.

Anyway, thanks again for this. I'm sure I'll love this.
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#252916
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252916/action/topic#252916
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Shame ain't it, Spaceballs being more spiritual and mystical than star wars. Personally, I remember the real obi-wan's words about him being amazed by how strongly the force was with Anakin, not by how many mutant cells he had in his system. This implies a natural gift to me that is also a hereditary trait more in the sense of a spiritual bonding families have (My spirit is of my parent's spirit etc.) but not limited to being just that. Like harry potter of course has the character hermione whose parents are both muggles. It's magic, it's magical. Look in the EU or fan fiction for a bunch of confusing details about everything.

Sometimes you just don't need to know certain things for the story to work anyway. (we're talking about a world where a giant moonsized space gun is called the Death Star) If we don't need to know it, let it go and let's move on. Hyperdrive leaking? What is it leaking, gas, radiation? Let's just not get into it. What would all movies be like if they stopped for five minutes to explain how every little insignificant thing works before they go forward with the story. Like a car for instance... See now you use gasoline which provides fuel for the ignition in the engine and is in combustion with the engine, allowing us to drive to our destination. Snore... Not the best example but you understand since you're sitting there not knowing a thing about how a podracer engine works because it just isn't worth explaining. Big rocket boost things come out of it and it moves forward. Sense a strong force in some silly little slave boy? good. Moving on. May the Schwartz be with you.

However before the usual "It was perfectly fine with me and I saw nothing wrong with it lucas is my dad." cyber-vomit is spread in the rest of the thread, I only first wonder if you need everything spelled out for you on that level of detail (microscopic) then you must be really pissed about Padme's death. We were left hanging with that one. Not even the force itself knew why the hell she died. That is something that would aid the audiences understanding if it were explained a little more as well as the oh gee wiz guess what, someone came back from the dead to teach us how to do it too, but Lucas was in a rush...

edit: oh and probably the weirdest crime of adding jedi blood tests that I doubt even Lucas himself can pretzel argue his way out of is how Palpatine was never identified by whatever means jedi use to find midi-babies. Oopsie.

By the way my heart is beating, hoping that mel brooks does a spaceballs prequel parody, but I think we wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and a Pt anyway so that's why he hasn't done it yet. Or is that cartoon I heard about still in development?
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#252879
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252879/action/topic#252879
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Originally posted by: THX
The Emperor unlocks Luke's cuffs using the force in Return Of The Jedi.

However, the arena scene is still one of the best and most Star Wars-y moments in the PT.


I used to think that before realizing it comes off too indulgent for my tastes. Ewan's good as usual and don't get me wrong, Padme getting clawed is still my favorite part of any PT movie.

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#252877
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252877/action/topic#252877
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
In what movie do we see the Jedi unlock cuffs and lift rocks to crush giant beasts with the Force? I remember a couple movies where the greatest Jedi of all has to struggle to lift big rocks or pull an X-Wing out of the swamp.

By your reasoning the entire Death Star Trench sequence makes no sense-- why doesn't Darth Vader just force-wish all the Rebel fighters into the sides of the trench? Answer: because that ain't how it works.

If the Harryhausen homage of the arena sequence doesn't give you a thrill, then I'm sorry. But that's the reason it's there-- it's the kind of scene Lucas loves from the movies that inspired Star Wars and it's done to his taste here. I'm not thrilled with the beats of it and I look forward to the new version (where Anakin and Padme have a plan)-- but I sure get why it's there.

Did they really put these arena creatures into Happy Meals, or are you making that up?


Oh yeah, I believe they were part of some fast food promotion as every star wars prequel was in some way. You're right. I forgot that it was a homage to classic Harryhausen but now I remember since I listened to the commentary for AotC years ago. If it were in a movie meant for homages I suppose then sure it'd be no problem, but Harryhausen's didn't involve jedi, I think. I really don't have a problem with homage, really but then I know Jar Jar is a homage to comedians like jerry lewis (my best guess), and I absolutely love Lewis' work but definitely that doesn't mean I like jar jar or Threepio's slapstick gags in a Star wars film unless it's necessary to for the story. I'll use the tarzan yell as another example as homage that I don't like (of course that's because it's a joke in pop culture. I didn't even remember the arena fight was harryhausen inspired. I'm more focused on the incredibility of jedi being chained up.) But that's besides my point about the scene where a cuffed anakin and obiwan use lightsabers to free themselves so I expect to just take it as it is and move on. How can that be changed? [additionally: Alright, I can stretch my suspension of disbelief extremely far. I'm a fan of stuff that's not to be taken seriously like power rangers and crap like that, but when I have to sit through a scene where a jedi is chained to a carriage and yacking about love my mind wonders why he's not using his force powers (powers he'll use to slice a piece of fruit mind you) to unlock himself and his new girlfriend, ok.]

I think it was Magfan or you, Trooperman, who said there are just some things that are so wrong, no amount of editing will fix them and that's what I think this is. ie: all jedi must wear tatooine farmer garb.

That's why I view the arena fight as being as exciting as the Greivous fight in Rots. If you remember, it was minutes, no, seconds before that fight, Obiwan just uses the force to drop a huge thingy on some droids not to mention how many times he's thrown droids around. Was anybody at all worried for Obi-wan during that battle? Vader decided to do whatever he decided to do and by my best guess it'd be extremely difficult to lock onto and control something moving at a gazillion miles per hour. Though one can easily assume Vader's force abilities aided him in his destruction of the rebel ships one by one. Is that comparable to a pair of handcuffs? Well that's up to the individual to decide. Imo, it's not, However we do know he's using the force during aerial combat when he comments on Luke's force power. Now that I think of it, why else did the proton torpeos not go in if the computer was perfectly locked on and everything? We have no reason given why neither Anakin nor Obiwan can release themselves. Another thing from the OT you should have brought up to argue with was Luke throwing a rock at the control panel to kill the rancor. He's a novice jedi so I bought that he'd just chuck a rock but maybe some don't.

Trooperman, after some deep thought for an entire minute I've decided the best way to explain it is that the cuffs are specifically designed for use on Jedi. Maybe you could dub Anakin saying they're special magnetically binding cuffs (stole the idea from the magnetically sealed trash compactor) or something like that?
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#252794
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KotOR and the PT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252794/action/topic#252794
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eh... no that sounds bad to me, but I've never played the Kotor games. Still it'd probably have been alot better than...

Yousa in biiiig doooo dooo dis time!!!!!

Oh noooo!! Weeesa gonna be annoyed by meesa for two whole hoursa!!!

Yipeee!

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt.

Hey guys let's all have an award ceremony for this wrench for being so darn useful. What is its serial number? 00000434340054535934838578783483895834-BS1? Thank you, 00000434340054535934838578783483895834-BS1. Oh and ruler of the planet, you clean it up. Scrub it good, bitch.

Hi I'm C 3PO, I was in the OT, remember? I guess I was built by darth vader. Noooooooooooooooooo, that's impossible!!! I'll just go away now...

Ooops I'm sorry for blowing up your entire space ship and killing you all... bye!

Since all you guys can't decide what to do about my problem without ten years of deliberation, can we just elect a new president right now or whatever? Ok we all agree. Meesaaaaa stillllllllll here!! OH NO meesa crotch smashed into again. Meesa not paid enough for thisa.

Duel duel duel. I have the high ground ha ha ha ha. Jump slowly. Flip. Slice. Ooooof. No fair, I had the high ground.

Holy sith, i'm ten years older and I've become a whiny creepy guy for no apparent reason, marry me. Ok I will.

War's finally gonna happen ya'll... some type of terminator ripoff shit, and it only took two whole movies to get there. We need to start an empire. Ok sounds good to us. Go for it.

STAR WARS

WAR! Just incase you didn't know that's what this is about already...

Cough Cough, I'm just going to be the most non-threatening villain ever captured on film er... harddrive. My toys won't sell at all, I know, and that's the only reason I exist. Can you believe I'm replacing christopher Lee? Yeah, stupid, right?

bla bla bla order 66 with fries.

Hey remember those clones of a villainous bounty hunter who tried to kill that Padme for having such a silly name, are connected to someone called Tyranus, and were ordered by some mysterious figure we have yet to discover the identity of? They're all turning against us, Yoda. Fucked, we are. Well the rest anyway... manage, we will to get away since we're in the OT.

Hi I'm chewbacca what the fuck am i doing here?

Padme, hey I dreamed you were going to die, but I didn't dream of you being dead, just you grunting and puffing like women giving birth do, but I'll assume you'll die like my mom. What, this doesn't bother you at all? You saw the last movie didn't you? Fell asleep? Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit. I'll just turn to the dark side. that'll work.

Your weird scrunchy facial expressions are no match for my one of a kind, ever, purple lightsaber. Ha ha ha, eww why's your face melting?

Noo wait I know he's evil and such and would say anything to save himself but he told me he'd help me out...

I don't give a damn.

Then take this!

Cheesy dialogue! Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesy diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaalogue!!! Ahh...

How uncivilized. Wink wink. Remember when I said "A lightsaber's not as random and clumbsy as a blaster, it's a weapon for a more civilized age"?

ACK, stop choking me, Annie...

heh, alright, I just gave birth to two kids through some orgasm machine with some robot's cold dead hands feeling around my private area and I feel fine... dies.

Teach us the trick to immortality now, do you? What kind of twisted son of a bitch are you?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


--ahhh that felt good--
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#252758
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GET RID OF GO-MER-TONIC
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252758/action/topic#252758
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Heh, it is to me too and maybe some mods would like to do that but so far there's no serious reason to ban the goof beyond his annoying antithetical preaching next to the entire point of this website. Like someone said, it's like going to a "someguy for Mayor" board and persistently aruing for his opponent. It's ok though, let him have his fun. The world will still turn regardless.
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#252756
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252756/action/topic#252756
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
*triumphant Star Wars theme music plays*

My files are back, and SOTDS is back along with them. You all have Adywan to thank for this one. My deepest thanks, sir. I won't go into details, but he supplied me with an.... alternate method of getting the files;p All of the important stuff is here. My ADR, everyone else's ADR, all of the audio tracks and the custom surround splits, the transitions, all of the video tests, the rotoscoped frames, soundtracks... everything. I really believe that this program rescued all of my files.

"I've been there, slaving away and then *poof* it's gone. It's like a nuke goes off in your brain."

Think about I felt on Thurday/Friday, thinking that this entire thing was down the drain. I felt sick almost. But the files are back and I will continue work shortly.


*Does a triple backflip* I'm so glad you weren't seriously hindered by this setback.

Well I was thinking about your edit today and what in AotC needs to be re-worked for the better and one thing that struck me as i was thinking was the arena fight. I can't remember what you planned for it but I think it might be one of those things that's irrepairable. i know in some ways the film can't ever actually be improved because of how inherently flawed it is due to lucas' carelessness: Boba has to be in this as a pointless cameo... jar jar, a complete idiot, has to be given the important position as representative to naboo... Portman still looks very boredand the rolling in the grass... the Sifodyas nonsense... etc, It's a lot to attempt to fix and like you said before you were having some trouble with editing the ridiculous lightsaber battles. So I'm not expecting to miraculously see a completely different movie if you know what I mean, but what you're doing should definitely make it watchable.

One thing i overlooked myself because I was blinded by cgi fx everywhere was how stupid it is that Anakin and Obiwan are handcuffed to a few pillars. I'm thinking simply "They're jedi." And Dooku doesn't tell the geonosian (who should know anyway) that they have this power called the force that could not only unlock the handcuffs but probably lift a rock or something and crush whatever animals are released. Just shoot them. I always felt there was something wrong with this whole scenario but never cared enough to think about it much until toy selling General Grievous came along and Lucas had to have obiwan waste time dueling a ridiculous coughing android guy. It screams, "yeah, it doesn't make any sense, but I just don't care." It's nothing but an action figure commercial to set up the three beasts to find later in happy meals... gosh it's so obvious to me now why that was done...

I'm seriously trying to think of a way to make this play out better; maybe have the force be disabled within the arena but that won't work... this will probably not be one of the things you can fix outside of dubbing new dialogue maybe... yeah maybe you could have Anakin say "these cuffs are force proof or something?"
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#252751
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GET RID OF GO-MER-TONIC
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252751/action/topic#252751
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such is the nature of the internet. Everyone has a say, even Lucas himself could be among us. And we can all hide behind our computers while acting differently than we do outside cyberspace. I agree with you since unbelievably I've known gomer for years on at least 5 different star wars message boards and he is just some weird Lucas fanatic, nothing more. Making threads like this probably only pleases him as he knows his goal to fuck with you is accomplished. It is best to ignore him. You're only playing into his game with something like this and I'm trying to make it known this is what he wanted in the first place. In the grand scheme, broad spectrum, whatever, everyone knows he's a joke, but don't give him the satisfaction of knowing he got to you. He wants that attention for some strange reason.
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#252743
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252743/action/topic#252743
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Confusing mess, aint it...

One of many things ruined for me was Emperor and his lightning powers, which was originally in line with how luke actually did underestimate the emperor as Yoda warned him not to and believed him to be defensless but surprise surprise, he has lightning bolts flying from his fingers. It's now just a ho hum trick luke could have blocked easily if he didn't throw away his lightsaber now (Oh silly me, I forgot jedi can now block it with merely their hands too.). Well done, George.

But whatever. Welcome back to 1999, everyone.

heh. I'm going to do something I should have done years ago. I'm going to call my cousin up and we're going to go outside where trees and grass are and we're probably going to go to the park and play some chess or meet girls, maybe I'll marry one of them someday and start a family... Yeah. It's about time.

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#252647
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252647/action/topic#252647
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Originally posted by: Seiji
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/ep3_tot1.gif

"Senator Palpatine seduces Anakin to the dark side in about as much time as it takes for you to finish reading this sentence."

Come on, not funny?


heh, on top of that, Palptine tells him he doesn't know how to do the life saving trick.

It's one thing that the PT turned out so retarded in the end. It's another thing to realize it easily could have been better if Lucas wasn't surrounded by yesmen.

Oh well. opening up old can of worms as they say. I'm all maxed out on the PT talk; I mean there's nothing to think further on about it for me. I know what it was, what it could have been, and what I feel about it all in the end. All you have to do is put in the TPM dvd and watch the scene where the film takes precious screen time that could be used to deliver character development or something that would be helpful in understanding the story, but instead we focus on an animal's large rear that is directed towards the camera, and we sit watching of course as its cgi rear-end shifts a bit and our sound system becomes filled with the booming sound of gas escaping that animal's rectum.

Thank you all, and have a good night. Edit: or day... it's night here.
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#252608
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GET RID OF GO-MER-TONIC
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252608/action/topic#252608
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heh, I was just extremely surprised to see him again after all these years. I said "wtf is that really the jar jar butt lover I once knew?" He's here to fuck around, there's no doubt in my mind about that. It's his whole schtick, but what can one do but laugh. it's sort of funny. Yeah I'm sure he's real pissed at lucas for not treating the Originals with uttmost respect.