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Warbler

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Join date
7-May-2003
Last activity
28-May-2021
Posts
18,708

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Post
#1114254
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Possessed said:

SilverWook said:

Ferris was always civil, wasn’t he?

Compared to some of the things happening lately yes he was a saint. He was just a dick whose personal experience meant more than both your personal experience and neutral facts.

Please don’t call him that. He said many things I totally disagreed with him on. Sometimes he pissed me off. Sometimes he went way too far. But I consider him a friend.

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#1114192
Topic
Detention Block AA-23 : The OT.com's Banned Members...
Time

yhwx said:

In case you didn’t see it (which you probably didn’t), Warbler is unbanned now.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Good. Goood.

YodaFan67 said:

Yay! Good for him.

Possessed said:

Of all the people recently banned that’s really the only one I’d like to see unbanned ever. Well I guess haseo could get unbanned too but he has a penchant for saying really nasty things and then not caring that it bothers people. The not caring that it bothers people is what bothers me more than anything he actually said.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Possessed said:

Well I guess haseo could get unbanned too but he has a penchant for saying really nasty things and then not caring that it bothers people. The not caring that it bothers people is what bothers me more than anything he actually said.

This.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Add me to the list of those glad to see Warb back.

Dek Rollins said:

Glad to see ya Warb!

ChainsawAsh said:

Yay, Warb’s back! 😄

Tyrphanax said:

Welcome back, btw.

chyron8472 said:

Moo.

I mean… welcome back.

No, actually, I mean Moo.

(Just kidding. Welcome back, Warb.)

darthrush said:

Welcome back Warb! Good to have ya back again

RayRogers said:

Welcome back Warbler! Person I barely know.

Bingowings said:

Welcome back Mr Bler

Handman said:

Welcome back! You might not know me well here, but I certainly missed reading your posts.

one69chev said:

Hey brother welcome back.

Jeebus said:

And welcome back, Warb 😃

dahmage said:

welcome back Warbler!

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

Glad Warbler’s come back.

Sougouk said:

Welcome back Warbler!

Thanks guys 😃

Post
#1111686
Topic
A statement from Warbler
Time

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I call out Jay(where is he? when was the last time anyone here anything from him? How come he did not make the annoucenment of oojason becoming a mod? as he gone awol?),

He was last active today, though he hasn’t posted anything since August.

Well since he is here, I would like his take on the events in question. I have PMed him about this thread.

Silverwook(who said nothing about my posts at the time and then seemed to support oojason after I was banned)

I never saw any explicit support of the ban by any other moderator, actually.

Well I never saw any explicit decent of the ban by Silverwook. I never saw him say that the ban was wrong. He could have reversed it and didn’t He was posting in that thread all along. He knew what was going on. His silence speaks volumes.

I suppose even if they disagreed with it, they would not go against the actions of another moderator in the interest of preventing more conflict.

Maybe, but if a new mod makes decisions contrary to way the forum is supposed to be run, the more experienced mods need to correct him.

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#1111682
Topic
A statement from Warbler
Time

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warb, if it helps you feel better, you might want to go back and peruse a few of the threads you were active in. You’ll see that a number of people who disagreed with you also took the time to post their disagreement with your temp ban. It’s not all bad, just sayin’.

Yes I know, I own them a thanks. Their support is very much appreciated.

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#1111680
Topic
A statement from Warbler
Time

SilverWook said:

Jay has a life and a job. That’s why we have moderators. I’m sorry you didn’t get the memo on our new employee, but the announcement was visible at the top of every sub forum.

Well I still missed it. Keep in mind, it only happened 2 days before the events on Sunday. I suggest that something be displayed below the avatars of all mods(which used to me done here, if I am not mistaken). I mean, what about new people? How are they suppose to know who the mods are?

Nobody can ban a member except Jay or a mod. Therefore, if someone tells you why they banned you, they’re probably a mod.

Well, but that is irrelevant. We are not talking about whether I knew after the ban, we are talking about the fact that I did not know before the ban, when he was talking to me. I did not know it was disciplinary thing. I did not know I was being given warnings and orders.

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#1111679
Topic
A statement from Warbler
Time

oojason said:

Hi Warbler,

Let me make this very clear - as posted on Sunday to you - I gave you a couple of days off.

As I have also made clear on more than one occasion in communications to you this was a cooling-off temp-ban.

As before, I apologise as I was unaware that temp-banned posters could not read a PM sent from a moderator.

The reason behind the PM was to let you know when the cooling-off temp-ban would end, to let you know the decision was not taken lightly; that it was with both reluctance and a heavy heart, that I truly believe you are a good and valued forum member, along with that if you had any questions or problems please let me know via PM (upon you return - when you could). This information in the PM was then relayed to you via email.

 

The reason why I did not respond your lengthy email reply was, as already asked of you, to relay any questions or problems you had to me via PM upon your return to the site after the cooling-off temp-ban had lapsed.

After another reply from you I then let you know it was around midnight UK time - and that I was off then to bed soon.

After another reply from you minutes later I decided the best thing to do was let you cool off - which was meant to be the point of the cooling-off temp-ban.

 

Earlier today, as promised, I lifted your cooling-off temp-ban, and sent you a PM asking you to read it before posting again, asking that we start afresh after your couple of days off, and also this post (http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1111064) in case you had missed it:-

"For the quality, accuracy and help ensure the smooth running of this occasionally polarising thread, it is asked that posters please adopt a ‘read, think, breathe, and then reply’ policy to posts they may find strong disagreement with.

Posting inflammatory picture-only responses - or inflammatory pictures without explanation or context is not cool.

Everybody be cool - it may well help you get your point across and be better received.

Thank you."

 

and I was also expecting to answer any questions or problems you may have.

 

I then receive a PM from you stating you have no desire to start afresh, that anything I say to you can be said publicly, to everyone, and a link to this statement by you.

 

Before I say anything more, the reasons for your ban was not only posting the inflammatory BS picture only response to a poster here of which the linked content you had not read,

How many times do I have to say I read the tweet, the whole tweet? Frink posted the whole tweet right below the link. I read it before I posted the bs flag. STOP SAYING I DIDN’T READ IT!

nor was it only for posting an inflammatory Westboro Baptist Church picture without explanation

  1. when I originally posted it, I thought it was explained enough by quoted the post I was responding to and by what I said or context in the same post…under it.

  2. I gave more of an explanation 4 posts after it and gave a more detailed explanation after that.

it was also partly for your reply at being asked to provide explanation or context in the same post was ‘that it would be a waste of time and no-one would listen’.

I said that because it was true and because I was depressed. We had previously gone around and around on the issue. No explanation from me was going to work, so I gave up. To really explain my side of the anthem argument will take someone smarter than me, with more patience than me, and with elocution than I have.

It was also partly for your response ‘I’m done caring what anyone here thinks’,

like I said, I was having sleep problems and it made me irritable and depressed. But yes, I don’t care what anyone thinks, I will never go against my country’s flag or its anthem.

and partly at your whole range of inflammatory answers to many posters that evening - to the point where it was obvious you were indeed not listening or engaging with posters in a manner deemed anywhere near reasonable and were also becoming abusive

like I said I regret some of what I said on Sunday and how I somethings.

  • so I stepped in from the thread deteriorating any further - and hence the decision taken by myself, somewhat reluctantly, to give you a couple of days-off to cool off - and also to try and diffuse the thread.

why didn’t mods step in when ABC and Darth ID came after me? Why did it take so little for me to get temp ban when nothing was done about a whole plethora of badly behaving forum for a long, long, long, time?

As said to you before your opinion carries weight here, and it is valued - even if disagreed with. Yet you can - and do - make far better points and posts than you did during Sunday night without the inflammatory nature of those posts.

 

Now, I appreciate, and take you at your word, that you were unaware that I was recently made a moderator (though why this should make a difference from how you talk to a fellow poster or a moderator, I don’t know?)

I should have shown you more respect. But still there is a big difference between mouthing off to a regular forum and mouthing off to a moderator. Also, You were giving me warning and orders and I didn’t know it. Had I known I was being given warnings and orders, I would have of course reacted differently.

But, before saying anything else right now, it is nearly 1.30am UK time - it is late. I’ve read your statement once (I haven’t had time to read any replies to it as yet as I’ve been writing this up) - and am going to read your statement again after work tomorrow - before posting anything else on it.

 

Jason.

fair enough, good night to you. May you sleep better tonight than I did Sunday evening.

Post
#1111612
Topic
A statement from Warbler
Time

yhwx said:

Here is my statement/open letter defending Warbler here:

When in the course of forum events, it may sometimes become necessary for forum members to be banned, temporarily or not, by the moderation of the forum. It is my opinion that a miscarriage of justice was committed when Warbler was banned on Sunday.

While Warbler’s posts regarding the issue of the National Anthem may have been inflammatory, such is the nature of an argumentative discussion. A certain level of leeway must be allowed, as long as all people feel comfortable in the discussion. As I did not see any complaints of legitimate offense during the course of our previous discussion, I feel that it is safe to say that all people felt comfortable in that discussion. Angry, yes, but comfortable. If certain people did not feel at ease because of Warbler’s presence, my opinion may have been different.

Next, I feel that there is an amount of contradiction of actions by the entirety of the moderation on this board. While many other, more inflammatory members have continued to roam free on this forum for many months, and in some cases, even years, Warbler got punished simply, in my opinion, on a first offense. This also leaves open the door to the question of if this action has belied prevailing political opinions that some may have.

Interesting discussion requires a reasonable variety of viewpoints. Some viewpoints, such as white supremacism, are unacceptable, and I am not saying that those viewpoints are within that reasonable variety. However, I do believe that Warbler’s viewpoint, at this moment, was in that reasonable variety.

I do respect the right that the moderation have to discipline any member however they see fit, for any reason, or for no reason at all. I 100% believe in that right, and would fight for it. However, I do also believe in the right to voice grievances of the leadership of any organization. These are my grievances, and I hope they are considered by the leadership here.

Thankyou. This is greatly appreciated.