If I had know oojason was mod, I would never had told him to sit on tack.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

mind telling me the other side? Do it via pm if it makes you uncomfortable to post here.

You were warned several times by a moderator to cool down and you didn’t. You also told him to sit on a tack (which I’ll grant has lost the bite it probably had in the 50’s but still).

Now granted, you didn’t know he was a new moderator. Frankly this place needs to identify staff better. So that’s the other other side. But still, mouth off to a moderator, you’re probably gonna sit for a few days.

I disagree, I don’t think I deserve to be treated like a mouthed off to a mod, when I didn’t know he was a mod!

Count yourself lucky. I complained about a moderator in public on a Star Wars video game forum (owned by Electronic Arts) and got banned for a month without a single warning. They didn’t even tell me I was banned. When I tried to log in it just took me back to the forum front page, so I even spent a few Saturday hours in chat with EA support trying to figure out what had happened, and they couldn’t figure it out either.

Oh and they deleted every single one of my posts.

So long story short (too late!), it could have been much worse.

I bet Darth ID, ABC, and Frevious wouldn’t have lasted one post there.

I have deleted the paragraph about my and oojason’s email conversation due to what has been said here. I am sorry if should not have posted that.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The Westboro Baptist picture was why you were banned?

That and the bs flag pic seems to be the reason.

From what I read I think it was the latter. People have posted Westboro Baptist Church pictures to make a point before, unless it was because of their God Hates Fags slogan.

I think it was both.

TV’s Frink said:

Divulging what a moderator said in email and/or PM is also definitely not the best idea.

FTFY

I felt it was necessary so everyone could understand what has happened so far. I apologize if I have offended oojason by doing so.

mind telling me the other side? Do it via pm if it makes you uncomfortable to post here.

I also want to make clear that I will no longer be discussing the Anthem thing in the politics thread. It is clearly too emotional for and what needed to be said has already been said.

TV’s Frink said:

Divulging what a moderator said in email and/or PM is also probably not the best idea.

maybe, but it is not like I gave out any of his private info.

TV’s Frink said:

I definitely don’t want you banned permanently. With that said, I’m not sure this thread was the best idea.

I don’t know. I pondered back and forth in head these past couple of days. I figured the best way, was an open public discussion.

moviefreakedmind said:

The Westboro Baptist picture was why you were banned?

That and the bs flag pic seems to be the reason.

I would also like to let everyone know that when oojason unbanned me, he again told me no inflammatory pics and whatnot. He still hasn’t addressed my email to him yesterday.

Hi everyone. Glad to be be back. But I am also pissed off, hurt, infuriated, frustrated, enraged, and offended by my banning.

First off, I wish to make clear that it wasn’t until after I was banned that I realized that oojason was a moderator. I had not read the announcement until after I was banned and there is nothing in their posts that differentiate a moderator from a normal poster. So when oojason and I were conversing in the politics thread on Sunday, I had no idea I was talking with a moderator and I had no idea there was a disciplinary thing going on in that conversation nor that I was being given orders/warnings in that conversation. If I had known, my conversation with him would have undoubtedly gone different.

Second, I apologize to everyone involved in the debate in the politics thread on Sunday - except the moderators. I I have been having problems sleeping lately and so I was sleep deprived on Sunday. When I am sleep deprived I get irritated and depressed. This affected my posting. I apologize for being rude.

That said, I do not accept that I did anything deserving of banning. When I think off all I had to put up with on this forum for years, from trolls, and bullies, and nutcases, and complete assholes. When I think of the abuse I suffered at their hands through the years when they didn’t get so much of a warning. When I think of what the likes ABC, and Darth ID and nutcases like General Frevious and Jetrel Fo got away with before any sort ban or warning and the fact that thejediknighthusezni is still a member here, it enrages me beyond words that I was giving a temp ban for what I did.

What did I do that deserved a temp ban. I posted a bs flag in response to a post from Frink, and I posted a pic of the Westboro baptists to use an and example didn’t explain my effiently and fast enough to suit oojason. This constitutes a big change in how the forum in moderated. People have posted alot worse things than the bs flag pic and the Westboro baptist pic and haven’t even received a warning.

As for the Westboro baptist pic, anyone on the forum that knows me knows I do not at all agree with the Westboro Bapists and what they do. They should know that I find them and what they do to be evil, despicable, and vile. I thought no one would possibility think I was posting that pic in support of them. Did oojason read the post I quoted when I posted that pic? Did oojason read what I posted under the pic? It should be clear that I posted that pic to show an example of a peaceful protest that no one would have any problem with the President calling “sons of bitches”. I did it to show that whether you think it is despicable for the for the President to call peaceful protesters “sons of bitches” depends on what you think of the peaceful protest in question. I did not do it to be inflammatory nor did I think it was. I posted that pic as an example in the past and no mods said anything about it.

As for the bs flag pic. oojason has accused me of not reading the post that posted that pic in response to. That is incorrect. Yes, I did not click on the link Frink provided, but Frink quoted the full tweet right below the link. I read what Frink quoted which I found out later it was a word for word complete copy of the tweet in the link. So I did read it, all of it. I ask oojason to stop saying I did not. True, did not quote all of the tweet in my response. I just quoted the part I was responding to, but I did read the whole tweet before I posted the pic. I thought that the part of the tweet I quoted was bs and so I said so in my own way. Given what had been allowed in that thread and the forum up to that point, I did not think I should have gotten in trouble for it. I do not think it was all that bad. If I had just the put word “bullshit” in the post instead of posting the pic, would I have gotten in trouble for it? If so, I am willing to bet all my money I could find someone calling something in that thread or the old politics thread bs without getting in any trouble for it.

Silverwook saw both pics and expressed no problem with them. I find it hard to believe Jay himself would have had any problem with them. I would like both to speak up and say whether or not they support my temp and why.

I would like oojason to know that his action of banning me Sunday night, caused me to have more difficulty sleeping that night as I was worried about my future on a forum I care so much about.

I call out Jay(where is he? when was the last time anyone here anything from him? How come he did not make the annoucenment of oojason becoming a mod? as he gone awol?), Silverwook(who said nothing about my posts at the time and then seemed to support oojason after I was banned), oojason and any other mod to respond to this post and do it publicly. Whatever you have to say can be said to me in public. I think I deserve an apology for how I have been treated. It seems as if there is one standard of behavior for me and another standard of behavior for trolls, bullies, assholes, and nutcases.

As it stands now, I do not know if I feel safe returning to the politics thread. I honestly do not know what I can and can’t get it trouble for. What is and is not an inflammatory picture. In my opinion, Frink’s posting of people kneeling during the anthem is inflammatory. In my opinion they are disrespecting my county, I know others disagree (and I don’t want to get into that here) but it is my opinion. Obviously oojason does not think those pics are inflammatory. So I am left playing a game of what I do think he thinks are inflammatory pics?

I don’t know that I want to continue posting in this forum with the way I am being treating by its government.

I ask all my non-moderator friends to help me. I need your support. I fear by standing up here and protesting that I could face a perm ban. I need you to tell the mods that you do not want that to happen. I need you to tell them you do not support what happened to me nor this apparent change in how the forum is moderated. I need to to tell them that you will protest if I am perm banned. I need you to protest if I get perm banned I need your help. More than that, I need your continued friendship.

I don’t want to be perm banned, I felt I had to stand up for myself here or lose my own self respect. Please know that I am extremely angry and upset and frustrated and offended over this banning.

I have been told not to post anymore inflammatory pictures and that I adopt a ‘read, think, breathe policy before I post. I will obey that order under protest.

Jay and mods: the ball is in your court.

Just because you’ve drawn attention to your problem, does not mean your method of protest was right.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

oojason said:

(if shown on tv cameras? I imagine the focus would be on the players?)

I believe the anthem is always televised.

I don’t believe that’s correct.

It wasn’t always, but now that people are protesting it, They show it all the time.

Well hey…I wonder if that’s why they’re protesting during the anthem?

We both know they are not protesting the fact that the networks rarely showed the Anthem. Nice try.

That’s not even close to what I said.

Sure seemed like it to me.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

They are not protesting the anthem.

bullshit

If you think they have a problem with the anthem, you’ve got the real problem because you aren’t thinking logically.

If they have no problem with the Anthem, why are they protesting during the Anthem?

Because we’re talking about it! Because you’re mad about it! They want to draw attention to their cause, and it sure as shit worked because we’ve had this conversation several times. They want you and everyone who shares your opinion to turn your anger towards the object of their protest–the reason why they’re disrupting the oh-so precious Anthem.

They would also draw attention to their problem by going out and shooting someone. Just because you’ve drawn attention to your problem, does not mean your method of protest was right.

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

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oojason said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

We have truly reached a low point in our society.

Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.

Citizens peacefully protesting:

Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?

The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.

“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”

I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.

To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?

I guess you missed this:

Warbler said:

I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.

I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).

No mate, I didn’t miss you bringing up the Westboro Baptists into this, nor what you later wrote at all.

Well then you should know why I mentioned them and that I don’t consider the anthem protesters anywhere near as bad as the Westboro Baptists.

You wrote ‘Citizens peacefully protesting:’ followed by a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church, yes?

yes, after someone complained about the President insulting “peacefully protesting Citizens”

Only 4 posts later did you give an explanation on why you posted it

Yes, 4 posts late, but I did give an explanation.

• stating the Westboro Baptist Church and the players kneeling during the anthem are bad peaceful protests, (the players protests were ‘…nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did’ protest).

Yes, that is what I said.

Here is the big difference - the Westboro Baptist Church image isn’t from a ‘peaceful protest’ at all - it is designed to enrage, provoke and give their horrible ‘beliefs’ as much publicity as it can undeservedly get.

um, yes it was a peaceful protest. They committed no acts of violence. Yes, it was designed to enrage and provoke, but it still falls under the definition of peaceful protest.

The players kneeling peaceful protest is to bring attention to a cause many in your country feel is right, and needs looking at and addressing.

by protesting the Nation Anthem and thereby enrage and provoke.

Now, if you disagree with that twitter message by Orli Matlow that was posted earlier… by all means you say why - but DON’T post an inflammatory picture in response.

What are talking about? What twitter message? Who is Orli Matlow?

In any event, here is the reason I brought them up:

Someone had complained about the President calling peacefully protesting citizens “sons of bitches”. Apparently, is wrong for the President to describe peacefully protesting citizens as “sons of bitches”. So, I brought up and example of peacefully protesting citizens that no one would have any problem with the President referring to them as “sons of bitches”. I did it to show that whether you think it is wrong to describe peacefully protesting citizens that way depends upon you opinion of the protest. I also did it to clearly demonstrate that just because a protest is peaceful, doesn’t mean it is a good protest.

If you’re going to post a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church DON’T make 4 further posts before you give an explanation as to why you are posting that inflammatory picture.

oh go sit on a tack. 4 posts down or not, I made clear why I posted the pic, and you continue to ignore what I said and continue to ignore that I clearly said the Anthem protesters are not anywhere near as bad as the West Boro Baptists. You also ignore in post where I posted the pic, I also said this right under it:

Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?

It should be obvious from that what I think of the West Boro Baptists.

And if you posting ‘I’m done caring what anyone here thinks’ in the midst of that - is actually what you think - then I would suggest you step away from the computer for a few minutes, and think how that may come across to the other users in this thread.

Now, I don’t think I’ve missed anything, have I?

Well excuse me for being piss off at what is going on in my country right and what is going on in this thread. Apparently it is no longer go enough that I agree that the protesters have every right to do what they are doing, I must now do what I consider betraying my Country, and agree with what they are doing or I am a clueless dumb narrow minded idiot and probably a bigot. Well sorry but this pisses me off. What was once a moment set aside for reflection and honoring the Country and what it stands for has now turned into a time for political statements. Now instead of instead of removing our hats and giving the proper salute and standing at attention and remaining silent, we now have to look around and see who is protesting. It pisses me off, it angers me, it frustrates me, it offends me, and en-fucking-rages me.

You wrote ‘What are talking about? What twitter message? Who is Orli Matlow?’ - http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1110744 - you did read the twitter message that was posted before you replied to it with that ‘bullshit flag’ picture response?

Actually I posted the bullshit flag in reference to part of what Frink said below the link:

TV’s Frink said:

NFL players aren’t protesting the anthem,
 

If you are pissed off then you can help yourself by start explaining yourself better in this thread - no more inflammatory picture replies - and no more pics of inflammatory groups like the Westboro Baptist Church without you putting in some written context in the same post.

Okay?

That would be a waste of time, no one would listen.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

oojason said:

(if shown on tv cameras? I imagine the focus would be on the players?)

I believe the anthem is always televised.

I don’t believe that’s correct.

It wasn’t always, but now that people are protesting it, They show it all the time.

Well hey…I wonder if that’s why they’re protesting during the anthem?

We both know they are not protesting the fact that the networks rarely showed the Anthem. Nice try.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

If they have no problem with the Anthem, why are they protesting during the Anthem?

As many people have said many times even though you refuse to understand, their problem is not with the anthem, but with the institutional problems in America.

then find another way to protest that doesn’t insult everything this country stands for.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

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Warbler said:

this fad

Is institutional racism a fad?

This is so stupid it doesn’t need to be addressed.

Lol!

whatever.

Expertly argued.

whatever.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

oojason said:

(if shown on tv cameras? I imagine the focus would be on the players?)

I believe the anthem is always televised.

I don’t believe that’s correct.

It wasn’t always, but now that people are protesting it, They show it all the time.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

this fad

Is institutional racism a fad?

This is so stupid it doesn’t need to be addressed.

Lol!

whatever.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://twitter.com/HireMeImFunny/status/911669667864989696?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^news|twgr^tweet

NFL players aren’t protesting the anthem, they’re protesting police brutality. That’s like saying hunger strikes are against food #TakeAKnee

Please read past the first 6 words this time.

It doesn’t change my opinion.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a falsehood.

bullshit

They are not protesting the anthem.

bullshit

If you think they have a problem with the anthem, you’ve got the real problem because you aren’t thinking logically.

If they have no problem with the Anthem, why are they protesting during the Anthem?

Do you even know what a protest is?

No, I’m too dumb clueless and white to know what that is.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

this fad

Is institutional racism a fad?

This is so stupid it doesn’t need to be addressed.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

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yhwx said:

Warbler, is there any level of protest you would accept during the playing of the national anthem?

No. It is not a time for protest.

Says who?

says me. The Anthem is a time for reflection and honoring the country and what it stands for.

That’s what it is for you. You’ve chosen to make it that.

And so has every other American until last year!

Uh, no. Not every American was on your side until they suddenly weren’t last year.

Well just about every other American, until this fad began.

Source?

I don’t think I need a source. Just look at films of NFL games when they were doing the National Anthem pre-last season.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

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thejediknighthusezni said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Holy shit Warb.

I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.

I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).

Pissing all over symbols and representations of what young men bled and died for directly in front of veterans who are just trying to enjoy a ball game

Wrong.

I hate to break it to you Warbler, but this guy is on your side.

Did you miss the post where I told him to shut up and go way? Also if you read his post, you’d know we disagree as to how bad it is to protest the Anthem.

He seems to think protesting during the anthem is a terrible thing, so he’s certainly more on your side than mine.

perhaps. But I don’t want him anywhere near my side. Same with Trump.

You can’t choose who’s on your side of any issue.

but I can decide I don’t want them on my side.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler, is there any level of protest you would accept during the playing of the national anthem?

No. It is not a time for protest.

Says who?

says me. The Anthem is a time for reflection and honoring the country and what it stands for.

That’s what it is for you. You’ve chosen to make it that.

And so has every other American until last year!

Says who?

says me.