Sign In

Wannabe Scholar

User Group
Join date
Last activity

Post History

How would you handle the transition from Republic to Empire?

I feel that in Episode 3 alone could have done better with the rise of the Empire. I mean, the opening scene is an attack on Coruscant, the heart of the Republic! That alone should have caused some reaction. They could have used that to show the people's mistrust in the Jedi, thus leading to the Order's downfall and the Empire's rise.

What I plan to do for my rewrite's is to have the Republic's descent into the Empire similar to their historical Roman counterparts. During the last decade or so, Julius Caesar was assassinated by his fellow Senators and his great-nephew took his place, eventually creating the Empire following the deaths of Julius' assassins.

In my version, the Republic has finally recovered from the effects of the First Clone War against the Separatists (who were formed much earlier than in the actual prequels). Chancellor Valorum is coming to to disbanding the use of cloned soldiers, but the Clone Masters/Kaminoans (who provided the clones in the first war) and some senator don't want that to happen. Thus, they and the Sith to assassinate Valorum. It works, but the conspirators are declared enemies by the newly elected Chancellor Palpatine and thus side with the Separatists, leading to the Second Clone War.

Palpatine, being a Sith, pulls strings in the Republic while his apprentice, Maul, manipulates the ranks of the Separatists. The war would carry on, degrading the Jedi and the Republic, the latter of which turns into the Empire (maybe by Episode 2). The war would carry on until the Jedi Order's finally wiped out.

That's my idea. I plan on making some tweaks and hopefully, it'll turn out for the best. 

Fall to the Dark Side?

Like many people said, the way Episode 3 handled his fall was rushed. It's kind of surprising because when I looked at Clone Wars media (comics, both 2003 and 2008 cartoons, and the novels), I thought Anakin was more prone to anger despite of his good heart and loyalty to the Republic. 

I think it would have been better to have Anakin be corrupted by war. As the Clone Wars, he would make controversial choices that lead to his fall to the Dark Side. It's much like how I assumed about the fall of the Jedi Revan from the KotOR games.

Years before the game, Jedi Knights Revan and Malak broke away from the Order to fight the Mandalorians who were attacking the Republic. With their fellow Jedi, Revan and Malak defeated the Mandalorians and saved the Republic.

But there were small hints of Revan's fall. In KotOR 2, his old mentor and one of your companions, Kreia, mentions that the Mandalorian Wars changed Revan to the point he despised weakness. His fall would be complete after the Mandalorian Wars, when he ventured into the Unknown Regions.

Or you could follow the Prequels' idea of having Anakin gaining power to protect his loved ones. However, use a different method. Have Anakin believe he can conquer the Dark Side and let his arrogance grow until he finally falls completely. It can be done like this:

  • As the war rages on, Anakin grow weary of battle and wants to end the war. He believes the Jedi ways aren't enough as the Clone Wars continue and seeks the knowledge of the Sith. Obi-Wan and the other Jedi forbid his research, but Palpatine takes advantage of this and feeds Anakin small snippets of Sith history that twist the young Jedi's mind until he sees the Jedi as enemies.
  • Or Padme's nearly killed and a paranoid Anakin seeks Palpatine's help to protect her. Palpatine gives Anakin Sith knowledge, turning him to the Dark Side.

You could also base Anakin's fall on his own hubris and jealous. In Shakespeare's tragedies of Othello and Macbeth, the titular characters are good men at first but small whispers of doubts and lies from someone they know causes mistrust and brings their downfall. Do something similar with Anakin's fall as Palpatine whispers lies into his ear. 

...But those are just my ideas.

How to handle the Jedi's fall

Alright in the Prequels, the Jedi Order gets wiped out pretty quickly. The whole Order 66 was interesting (for me anyway since it was based on the real life Executive Order 9066 that brought the Japanese Internment). However, I felt it was just too quick and sudden. It didn't make sense to me since the Prequels didn't explain why the people were just okay with the Jedi Order's sudden demise. It didn't help when I notice some particular bits from the EU novels that touched on the subject.

Here's a small excerpt from The Last Command of the Thrawn trilogy:

C'baoth snorted. "The Jedi Master Joruus C'baoth does not serve lesser peoples, Jedi Skywalker."

"Why not? All the great Jedi Masters of the Old Republic did."

 "And that was their failing," C'baoth said, jabbing a finger at Luke. "That was why the lesser peoples rose up and killed them."

Here's another from the Darth Plagueis novel:

Sidious took a moment. “We will have to exploit their vanity and blind obedience to the Republic,” he said with greater confidence, and as if the truth of it should be obvious. “They must be made to appear the enemies of peace and justice rather than the guardians.”

The prequels do not do these two excerpts justice. The demise of the Jedi Order could have been handled a lot better than what we saw. How to go about it, that's the main question as there are many ways.

You could:

a) Let it be like the Templar's fate where the Jedi are false accused and hunted down for a crime (possibly treason). 

b) Show the people slowly staring to hate the Jedi until they turn on the Order.

c) Have the Jedi Order rebel against the Republic/Empire (depending on which version you use) and the Jedi are wiped out.

However, those are just my ideas. What would your ideas be? Please let me know. Thanks.

Your images of Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader and others in your Prequel Interpretations

Well, I grew up with the Prequels so it's kind of hard trying to get Ewen McGreggor and Hayden Christensen out of my head. But I did find these two fan-made images, which can give a pretty good idea if Anakin and Obi-Wan were played by younger versions of their original actors.

Star Wars Forensics - Anakin and Young Anakin and Obi-Wan

Vader and his kids.

Alright, I was watching the original scene with the Emperor from Empire Strikes Back. In it, there was something I noticed. Here's the dialogue between the emperor about Luke (here, I'm paraphrasing).

Emperor: "We have a new enemy. Luke Skywalker... he could destroy us."

Vader: "He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him."

Emperor: "The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi."

Listening to this, did Vader really knew he had kids? He doesn't sound surprise about Luke being his son. To me, it almost sounded like he could have known about it (or I'm just getting confused).

In the Prequels, Vader knew nothing and the dvd special editions added changes to fit that, but let's ignore that. Obviously, he wouldn't know about Leia, but what if he at least knew about Luke being born? 

A year ago, I read this fan-made script for Episode III called the Republic Falls. Here, Padme has given birth to Luke and Leia and during the Empire's rise, the twins are separated. But during Anakin and Obi-Wan's final confrontation, Anakin manages to see Padme carrying a baby Luke. In most Prequel Rewrites I've read, Anakin has never known about the birth of his children.

I'm not sure what to say about this one. Part of me wants Anakin to know Padme having Luke, but another part wants Anakin to not even know Padme was pregnant. What do you think? 

Backstory to my version of Prequels

Hello. I joined this site recently and I want to give my 2 cents on rewriting the Star Wars Prequels. Since I’m new, I might make a mistake.

I recently looked at a prequel rewrite on called “Star Wars Episode 1: A Retelling." The idea behind this story was that one detail changed the Prequels altogether. In that case, Anakin freed himself prior to Phantom Menace, thus altering the events of the Prequels. 

With my own rewrite, I plan to use the same premise, but my focus is on the backstory surrounding the Prequels. The small change is when Dooku leaves the Jedi Order.

According to the films, Dooku left after Qui-Gon’s death. Prior to that, however, Dooku became distant from the rest of the Jedi due to a certain event that happened in the EU (which is now Star Wars Legends under Disney).

Twelve years before The Phantom Menace, Dooku and his Jedi strike force were sent to the planet Galidraan to stop the Mandalorian group called the True Mandalorians, who were said to be killing political activists of Galidraan’s governor. In reality, the True Mandalorians were framed by Galidraan’s governor, who sided with the Mandalorian rival group Death Watch.

Dooku didn’t realize it until after the True Mandalorians were wiped out, save for the leader Jango Fett. Dooku and his Jedi later learned the Jedi Council knew about the truth, but did nothing to stop the Mandalorian massacre. This happens 12 years before Episode I: The Phantom Menace, and according to canon, Dooku didn’t leave until after Qui-Gon’s death.

The incident at Galidraan gives Dooku the perfect incentive into leaving. So, what if Dooku left the Jedi right then and his Jedi strike force followed him?

Well, here’s what I think:

1-Qui-Gon Jinn, shocked by his master’s desertion and the Council’s misjudgment, goes on an exile. This leaves Obi-Wan without a master.

2-Yoda, ridden with guilt of Dooku’s desertion, steps down from the Council and completes Obi-Wan as a means of redeeming himself.

3-Dooku and his rogue Jedi could form the Separatists a few years later, causing dissent in the Republic.

4-With this dissention, Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas prepares a small clone army for the Republic to face the Separatists. The funding of the army would come from many wealth bankers, including a certain Muun named Hego Damask (aka Plagueis). Eventually, this leads to…

5-The Clone Wars. This happens a decade earlier than the canon Clone Wars (to fit with the Clone Wars continuity from the Bantam Era books). However, there would be a break, between the start of the Clone Wars and when my version of Episode 1 happens.

Cloning in period has exceeded rapidly as the Republic grows clone super soldiers to lead soldiers into battle. These soldiers go from the Morgukai Niktos to Mandalorians. There are no Jedi clones, however.

6-The Republic would slowly lose its trust of the Jedi Order due to the rogue Jedi leading the Separatists. This can play into the rise of the Empire.

7-The Sith can take advantage of the conflict, using it to control both sides and form the Empire (like in the movies). The Separatists would be a legitimate threat, but the Sith are still pulling strings within Separatists and Republic ranks.


And that’s all I have right. There are some bits that need work, but do you think this is a good idea? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.