Wannabe Scholar

Hello, everyone. I’ve been working on a TFA rewrite/AU, “Birthright” (working title), which falls more under an “Infinities” alternate universe story than an actual rewrite. This is a fanfic novel (b/c I’m more familiar with that than script writing), which delves into the typical “what if?” type of thought.

Now, I haven’t been able to write the full story, since I have been having problem with planning the plot and have it work with the characters, and given Carrie Fisher’s recent passing, I have been hesitant to carry out my plans for the story (one of them which is killing off the OT main cast). Also, I have been going back and forth between different plot bunnies, all for the same story. As such, I don’t know when I will actually get to fully write this story.

That being said, I do have something ready. Below is a small short that came to me a year ago, and from that short, I started to branch it out into a TFA AU story. It might not be much, but I would like to know what you guys think (good/bad/meh?). Thanks.

In the murky darkness, there was no one.

The eyes under the black visor continued to stare, wanting to some outline of a person. They had to be hiding somewhere, perhaps cloaking their presence. However, the Force revealed nothing of the sort, or anything else, for that matter.

The Force proved to be true when the lighting flashed, and no one was in the rain.

A breath of frustration escaped through the helmet’s filter as Kylo Ren stared at the empty space before him. Kylo expected Skywalker’s other students to be here. He had felt them, and it was what his sources had told him, but now there was no one. Not a single being.

Behind him, a female asked, “Where are they?!”

“They must be hiding somewhere!” said another, a man, barely heard over the rain and thunder.

Kylo glanced over his shoulder to the handful Knights of Ren behind him. The filter of his helmet turned his frustration into a distorted deep base. “I want them found! Leave no stone unturned!” he ordered.

Before everyone else went their own separate ways, Kylo impatiently rushed out to conduct his own search. His boots splashed on the large puddles, sending the water everywhere and the mud continuing to stick to his soles. Again, he tried to find some visage of a being, looking left and right, only to find no one. Kylo kept on walking and searching, until the forms of his knights were mere blobs in the distance.

After a while, Kylo came to a stop. Closing his eyes, the thunder, the rain pelting the dome of his helmet, and the constant splash of dirt and puddles faded away. Kylo searched through the ebb and flow of Force for any lifeforms beyond himself and his knights. He brushed aside the critters, plants, and others beneath his notice. He searched, and searched, and searched, and searched. He knew was close, but where…

Then, Kylo turned, just as the lightning flashed again over a white cloak. The outline of a hood and a man underneath it stood not too far away. “I wondered when you would arrive,” the man said, his soft voice weighed down by age. “I was getting tired of waiting in the rain for so long.”

Kylo, unamused, peered at the man. “Where are the others?”

“Gone,” met his demand. “Far from you and Snoke."

Anger sparked, but Kylo stopped himself. “If you tell me where they are, the Supreme Leader may show you mercy,” he offered.

The hooded head shook, and Kylo heard a small chuckle, despite the rain. “We both know that won’t happen. There’s only one way this will end,” the man replied.

Kylo frowned under his helmet. “Perhaps, you’re right,” and he reached for his lightsaber hilt.

Pressing the button, the main red blade howled, and the two smaller ones sizzled out of the lateral vents. They crackled in the rain, sparks almost coming out of the serrated edges. Kylo’s lightsaber hissed at the droplets while he slowly walked forwards.

The man raised his head to meet Kylo’s visor as blue eyes stared from under the dripping hood. “Strike me down, if you have to. But if you do, I’ll be powerful than you can ever imagine.”

“I can imagine quite a bit,” Kylo retorted before he raised his saber.

The man merely smiled as the blade came down.

rocknroll41 said:

Wannabe Scholar said:

Hello everyone I’ve been having a bit of trouble with my TFA rewrite for sometime. I do have an idea as to how the story should take place: A single change in history changes the positions of two SW characters (and more), as young Rey, a student of the Knights of Ren, is sent out to find Kylo Ren, who is going by the name “Jacen.” Rey, captured by Jacen and Finn (who just deserted), is strolled along for the ride and slowly begins accept the Jedi way, after meeting some Jedi (who are alive and well) on Hosnian Prime. Of course, Han would serve as the mentor role and be killed off in this story (not sure if it’ll be as obvious as in the actual TFA, but hey).

One problem is regarding one of my ideas for this rewrite. That being: kill off every OT core cast member throughout my TFA and the installments afterwards (which are more based on specualation than the actual upcoming films). Because of Carrie Fisher’s passing, I thought it would be in bad taste to do kill her off (which would be passing in her sleep after being fired upon by Star Destroyers).

The other problem is, since I put the story off, I have been questioning the roles of Rey and Kylo Ren. Originally, I wanted Rey to be with the bad guys, so we can get a better insight into them. At the same time, I realized that film TFA Rey was meant to be someone whom the audience can relate to the best (what with Rey nostalgic for the Rebel vs Empire time and whatnot, as shown with her litte “memorabilia”). My version of Rey doesn’t match that so much, but I found her so interesting to write about (or jot notes, anyway).

If you guys have any advice/thoughts that could help, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

Yeah in one of my older TFA rewrites I combined Rey and Finn into one character and had her start off as a stormtrooper in training on a small First Order base off on a desert planet. I figured if you show her struggling to get along with everyone else there and questioning her place in the world, so to speak, you can have her start out with the bad guys yet still be relatable to the audience.

That is true, but another problem I had was trying to tie the search of the First Jedi Temple into the plot because SPOILERS Luke is dead before the story even starts SPOILERS. Then, there’s the Skywalker saber, since I was giving it a bigger role in the search since the piece of the special map was hidden in it (a la Brackett’s old draft of ESB). Oh well. I’ll see what I can do…

Hello everyone I’ve been having a bit of trouble with my TFA rewrite for sometime. I do have an idea as to how the story should take place: A single change in history changes the positions of two SW characters (and more), as young Rey, a student of the Knights of Ren, is sent out to find Kylo Ren, who is going by the name “Jacen.” Rey, captured by Jacen and Finn (who just deserted), is strolled along for the ride and slowly begins accept the Jedi way, after meeting some Jedi (who are alive and well) on Hosnian Prime. Of course, Han would serve as the mentor role and be killed off in this story (not sure if it’ll be as obvious as in the actual TFA, but hey).

One problem is regarding one of my ideas for this rewrite. That being: kill off every OT core cast member throughout my TFA and the installments afterwards (which are more based on specualation than the actual upcoming films). Because of Carrie Fisher’s passing, I thought it would be in bad taste to do kill her off (which would be passing in her sleep after being fired upon by Star Destroyers).

The other problem is, since I put the story off, I have been questioning the roles of Rey and Kylo Ren. Originally, I wanted Rey to be with the bad guys, so we can get a better insight into them. At the same time, I realized that film TFA Rey was meant to be someone whom the audience can relate to the best (what with Rey nostalgic for the Rebel vs Empire time and whatnot, as shown with her litte “memorabilia”). My version of Rey doesn’t match that so much, but I found her so interesting to write about (or jot notes, anyway).

If you guys have any advice/thoughts that could help, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

If it was 1990s or 2000s, I would have gone with James Marsden and Famke Janssen (Cyclopes and Jean Greay in Singer’s X-Men movies) as Ulic Qel-Droma and Nomi Sunrider. Marsden does have that dashing, cocky look for Ulic Qel-Droma, while Famke certainly has that powerful yet beautiful look, which works with her role as Jean Grey. Plus, given their roles in the X-men movies (Jean Grey and Cyclops being a couple), I think that could work as Ulic and Nomi grow to like each other.

But since this is the 2010s, and if someone wants younger actors, I’m going along some of the actors from BBC’s Merlin. For Ulic and Aleema Keto, Bradley James’ Arthur from a cocky, brash fighter/prince to a noble king, while Katie McGrath’s Morgana Pendragon plays into the beautiful witch role that tempts the brave hero. Colin Morgan (the titular hero of Merlin) has worked alongside James in Merlin, giving plenty of banter that makes them feel like good friends (maybe even brothers), which makes him perfect for the humble, yet a bit mischievous, Cay Qel-Droma.

As for Nomi, the main hero, that’s a tough one. You need someone who can act a motherly and somewhat timid woman who is forced into a role not meant for her, yet grows into a strong and powerful warrior nonetheless. You could go with someone like Tamla Kari, Constance in the BBC’s Musketeers, whose character went from an obeying wife to a somewhat strong and willful person (albeit while stuck in the role of love interest for the main lead).

Yeah, this is pretty getting old, what with trying to bring back something from the past and rebooting/filming it, but like almost any idea I think of, it is dumb and doesn’t die easily. I like ToTJ since it tells such an interesting story with Jedi lore and ancient Jedi characters, like Nomi Sunrider (who’s my favorite), Exar Kun, etc. So, how would you retell ToTJ as a film (this includes characters-cast, if you want-production, directors, etc)?

I’d have ToTJ films be a trilogy (“The Nadd Uprising,” “Dark Lords of the Sith,” and “The Sith War”), with Nomi Sunrider as the main character, since she’s the one the audience would more likely relate to (NO political agenda in this, swear it). She’d be the young widow taken into the Jedi and taught their ways, while getting to know Ulic, the dashing hero, and his bro, Cay, the quiet Jedi techie. Exar Kun fills the Vader role (of course) as the fallen Jedi who’s looking for Sith knowledge and is consumed by it, turning himself into the Dark Lord of the Sith.

As for casting, direction, or production, I have no idea. It would be difficult to recreate some of the scenes from the comics, but if Kenneth Branagh could get Asgard in Thor, then I guess anything’s possible.

I always liked when Luke told Leia their true heritage in ROTJ. Bit personal as you have to wonder what’s going on in her head. Another is when Leia senses Luke is in danger in ESB. Both are memories I’ll cherish.

When I first saw the news, I was shocked. I watched Rogue One this weekend, and seeing Leia’s face in the final scene gave me a sense of joy for the film, even if it wasn’t really Carrie Fisher. I knew something would happen eventually, but i never thought anything would happen so soon. Like all of us, she was a huge part of our childhoods and it is sad to see her go, just when she’s being reintroduced to a new generation of fans. My condolences go out to her family, and I hope the best for them. However, I would like to put this on a lighter note.

I may be an idiot for writing this, and a bigger idiot for sounding preachy and getting some bits wrong, but I guess I’m tired after everything that has happened this year. I can’t deny that Carrie Fisher, Princess Leia, has passed away, and I’m not saying we should stop mourning, but I would like to remember her for all the happy memories she gave us. She gave a terrific female role model, and she didn’t stop encouraging the fans, even though we can be crazy. We loved her. She knew it and gave it back willingly.

Plus, Carrie was a badass, like everyone on the SW cast. She went through drugs, family problems, and much more, yet she managed to pull through. So, let us remember her for the badass she was, for the badass role she played, and being badass while doing it.

I’ll cry when I think of that princess warrior from a galaxy far, far away, but I hope I can also smile and remember all the fun I had watching Carrie Fisher as Leia, our rebel, our princess, and our hero.

Thank you, Carrie Fisher. May the Force be with you, your friends and family, and everyone.

DominicCobb said:

Aw man, say what you will about the film, but TFA’s score is waaaay better than RO’s.

Really? When I watched it, TFA did have some interesting music, but it felt more like it was in the background to me. The only piece of music that did stand out for me was the music during the start of Rey vs Kylo Ren when the old SW77 music plays as Rey gets the Skywalker saber.

But who knows, I could be wrong. Maybe I should watch the film again. I might think differently.

DominicCobb said:

A true scholar.

Oh yeah, one of the finest.

Seriously though, Rogue One did have a lot of good stuff, but it could have fined some details with characters (developing them, having them somewhat stand out more than in the film, and having us remembering their names-I only remembered Jyn, Cassian, and K2SO) and plot in the first two act. There was some world-building here and there, but I thought maybe we should have seen actually the kyber crystals being dug up on Jedha. And while the characters did stand out in their own way and did have great scenes (you can’t deny Donnie Yen’s actions scenes were awesome), I wish they all had some interactions that made us understand their characters better (e.g. the relationship between Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, understanding the Imperial defector, or see why Cas hesitated to shoot Galen Erso or why he decided to come back around to help Jyn for the final battle), and I would have liked to gotten others better screen time (i.e. Saw Gerrera, Jyn’s dad). For me, I thought Rogue One was almost trying to be a character-driven story (somewhat anyway), but it was as if the movie didn’t go further into the characters.

Now, that being said, my problems are more or less nitpicks that I can accept, and I found the film all the more satisfying when the third act brings its story together in a grand-scale and epic showdown. I loved seeing how everyone works together, and you can feel for the characters while they struggle to get the Death Star plans, all the way up until they die (which I kind of expected, thanks to a small comic on deviantart that spoiled it for me). There were the smaller details I enjoyed in there as much as the large battle (e.g. Hammerhead ship pushing the Star Destroyer in another, Rebels on the ground trying to contact the fleet), mainly because I’m a bit familiar with SW Rebels, and I found the entire third act to be excellent.

Another positive I liked about the film was its music score. TFA was lacking any noticeable music of its own (something akin to Binary Suns, Duel of the Fates, etc.). One piece of music that sticks out is the song that’s played when Jyn and Cassian are together on the beach and wait for their end (it’s played throughout the movie, I think).

The CGI (with Tarkin and Leia) for me was fine, and I even liked the original footage they used (though I might be more nitpicky when I see the film for a second time). And I might be one of the few who actually liked the PT stuff added in the film, specifically Mon Mothma and Bail Organa. They got the original actors from the PT to play out their roles here, and it was such a joy for me because they were so criminally underplayed in the PT.

Overall, I did enjoy this film, certainly more than TFA (The Fanservice Awakens), but my aforementioned nitpicks did stand out. I would like to give this film an A-, but given my problems, a B+ (87/88 percent) will do (better than TFA’s C+).

Here’s my thoughts on the overall stories of TFA and Rogue One.

TFA -

Acts 1 and 2: “Eh.”

Act 3: “Ugh, really?”

Cue leaving the theater uninterested

Rogue One -

Acts 1 and 2: “Eh.”

Act 3: “WOAH, DID YOU SEE THAT?! EXPLOSIONS, SHIPS FIRING, VADER CUTTING UP GUYS, EVERYONE DYING!”

Cue clapping when credits roll

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Wannabe Scholar said:

If future SW fans watch the movies, they would more than likely watched the sequels first.

Why?

Okay, not more than likely. I only thought that because there are SW fans (ones who grew up with the PT) who would suggest to watch the PT before the OT, and I thought SW fans who grew up with the ST would suggest people to watch the ST before either PT or OT.

Like I said, this subject is downright silly, but it was bothering me for a bit. Guess I wanted to bounce this off someone else to see what they think. Now, I know I was rambling nonsense.

This is a strange question, but it’s been nagging at me for a couple of days. I know, since TFA, episode VIII, and episode IX are AFTER the OT, they would give reveal some info (e.g. Vader revealing himself as Luke’s dad, and Leia being Luke’s sister), but I’m questioning if they should be in there at all.

I’m asking this because of this question: “In what order do you watch the SW films?” Everyone’s got their own way, but if you watch the movies from TPM to ROTJ for the first time, you wouldn’t be shocked by the reveals in the OT, since you’ve already seen their origins happen in the prequels. If future SW fans watch the movies, they would more than likely watched the sequels first, and if the future sequels reveal as much as in TFA, the reaction would be the same as if you watched the prequels before the OT.

Again, this is strange question, maybe downright silly. The sequels do need content from the OT to make sense of their own story, and it can require a lot of it, but can it be done while keeping the mystery of the OT? Or am I just rambling nonsense?

P.S. Please don’t spoil Rogue One for me. I haven’t seen it yet.

Already, there have been SW cartoons on the Clone Wars with TCW (which is personally mixed, but does improve later on) and the Empire-era with SW: Rebels (which IMO is a little better than TCW, even though I lean more to the old EU in some parts). At some point, Rebels will end, leaving the gap between ROTJ and TFA to be explored via another show (cartoon/live-action).

If you were to pitch your idea for a SW show set between ROTJ and TFA, to whom would this show be directed and who are the characters and factions in the SW galaxy? What is would be could and what it is about? Where would most of the episodes take place? When would timeframe of this show and/or each season/series? How would it be done and how long would the show be? And most importantly, why even do this?

I would like to hear what you guys have in mind for this. This is more Disney-canon oriented, but you can include old EU elements, if you want to.

It’s good that you have SWG-0027 in the Vader role. Regarding her, you could have her replace the Jedi clone that fights Anakin and Obi-Wan at the beginning (that way the two sides can have some familiarity with one another), which could end in Clonemaster Jukassa’s death by the Jedi’s hand (or by hers?).

Another idea (and this is just throwing it out there) is that she wants to overthrow the Clonemasters and establish a superpowers for clones and ONLY clones. This could make her interactions with her second-in-command more interested, as he was constantly jabbing at SWG. Maybe he was really loyal to the Clonemasters only and suspected SWG of treason, which is hinted at as SWG gathers clones (loyal to her) on the battlemoon, at an attempt to use it on the Clonemasters.

Hey guys. Some time ago, there was this old magazine article from 1980, “CLONE WARS EXPLAINED,” which was making guesses for the PT and used to be on the old Star Wars: Lost Episodes website. In the article, it had a young Darth Vader, who was his own character, as a slave until Obi-Wan Kenobi frees him and takes him aboard his ship, with a young Anakin Skywalker. You can find the article here: http://nightly.net/topic/253-article-found-while-surfing-the-net/

As weird and bizarre as this idea may seem, it has given me some ideas for a PT rewrite, and I would like to see if anyone can make their own PT, which stems from this: Vader is a clone/slave rescued by Obi-Wan and brought aboard to meet Anakin. Your PT can use elements from the old EU, the movies, and/or even the Disney canon, and you can decide your main cast, how the PT is handled, etc. This doesn’t have to be scripted or a fully written novel, but it can be, if you want it to. This is just an exercise to see what you can come up with immediately.

For me, I want to keep it similar to what is given by Timothy Zahn, as some of us already do. Here, the PT would take place between 42 BBY - 35 BBY. This would hide the OT spoilers and leaving it open to what exactly happens between this PT and OT, yet give enough hints for the audience to make their own guesses. The bad guys would be the Clonemasters through and through, and our heroes would include Anakin (serving the Luke role as he grows as a Jedi), Obi-Wan (the Jedi Knight and idealistic veteran, akin to Leia), Vader (who is serves in the semi-R2 role as a defective clone who is mainly experiencing this PT through his own eyes), and others I don’t have at the moment. Our heroes would use a Consular-class ship (the red ship you see at the beginning of TPM) as their Falcon. Installments would include this:

EP 1: The Clone Wars (42 BBY) - “Obi-Wan and Anakin find Vader, a defective clone disregarded by the Clonemasters, and the two train him as a Jedi and have him find the Clonemaster’s HQ, where he was grown.”

EP 2: End of the Old Republic (40 BBY) - “Corruption and greed eat away at the Republic, while Jedi are dying in the war against the Clonemasters. One last attempt has the Jedi go up against the enemy and bringing a deadly blow, but it is a pyrrhic victory as the Jedi’s HQ is destroyed, and the Empire rises.”

EP 3: The Dark Times (35 BBY) - “As the Jedi are hunted by a dark presence, our heroes come together for one last time to bring down the Clonemasters. In the end, Vader is left for dead, and Anakin hands Obi-Wan his saber, ignoring his master’s warning on the Dark Side.”

So what do you think? Any improvements needed? Based on the article at the top, what would your PT be? What would you want to do differently? I would like to hear what you guys have in mind.

Oh boy… Before I start this, I want to say that I have been following this idea since it was first posted, and I was interested to see how it turned out. That being said, everything I have to say isn’t nice.

When I first started reading this, I was very interested in the first half(seeing the clones, Clonemasters, glimpses of Anakin and Obi-Wan’s life, the Sith planet, Obi-Wan and Anakin at the temple and working with Bail, etc). When the second half (specifically after the incident on the Sith planet and everything afterwards) came in, my interest kind of went downhill. I had issues that Vader had so much screen time by himself when some of that could have had Obi-want meeting Vader immediately and get to know him; I didn’t like Dahlia that much-the fact she felt a little tacked on so late into the story and had such an important role when it could have been brought down a bit; some of the scenes at the end felt too far apart from one another (i.e. Obi-Wan taking out the battlemoon, Vader trying to survive); and Nashira and Siri didn’t really do anything(okay, that’s just a nitpick, so you can take it or leave it, if you want).

Also, this story felt like a lot didn’t happen, or there was much significance to it. True, ESB did not have a lot going on, but when you have a threat like Darth Vader looming over everyone, you get a sense of urgency, and it makes you feel for the characters in the end. Here, you have small-time bounty hunters who are working for a Clonemaster, whose fate is left unknown and doesn’t appear to have a presence after the first act (but maybe I’m wrong-I could have missed something). That point is also another problem I have with these specific prequels, there’s no big bad guy to fill in Darth Vader’s spot (unlike in Ep 1, where Pre Vizla was there from start to end, was a compelling villain with good motivations, and personally, should have been kept for the entire trilogy-maybe come back as a Jedi driven mad and out for revenge).

In spite of all of my negative criticisms (and there are some more minor things here and there), there were good ideas in this story. The whole thing with Anakin on Korriban and becoming a Sith Lord was awesome. Seeing the clones work was good too, and I like how they go into TotJ lore, but there were some things that didn’t mesh as well and won’t for other works (if you’re interested in the EU content), e.g. that whole thing of Anakin, Obi-Wan, AND Vader not really knowing each other and presumably not meeting for a while, when the three of them saved a planet called Skye (mentioned in the first SW comics annual in '78, I think). Maybe, after Anakin has become a Sith Lord, he joins Obi-Wan (who has gotten to know Vader while he was away) and helps in the final assault with his Dark Side powers. After the battle (be months or right after) Obi-Wan tries to bring Anakin back, but Anakin leaves, telling Vader to be wary of the Jedi way.

Again, there are a few things I like about ‘Knight of the Empire,’ but the story was not done as well as I would have liked. Then again, that’s just me, and I don’t know what everyone else thinks about it. I am still interested in Ep 3, so I’ll stick around to see what else is in store.

Sorry for putting up anything new for a while. I’ve been going more through the story, and find myself making more and more changes as I go on, partly due to the new content shown in the latest episodes of “Star Wars Rebels.” This will change some of the stuff I originally planned for this rewrite. That being said, I will be posting my new stuff in a thread called “Star Wars Prequels Disney-Friendly Rewrites,” or I’ll just edit the title for this thread, if I can (I think there used to be something on here that would let me do that, but I can’t find it now).

That could actually work. I was planning just one installment, but since you gave your idea, I think a trilogy could work with some tiny changes, and I’m working on it now. Thanks for that.

BTW, when talking about Vader’s suit, what differences would you suggest? I’m kinda thinking the helmet retains its overall look but Vader includes Anakin’s armor in TCW’s first few seasons with a dark robe over it.

Hi guys. I know we’ve talked about having Obi-Wan, instead of Anakin, to not spoil the OT’s secrets, but there’s this idea I’ve had after watching TFA, where it might be possible to have Anakin as the main character without spoilers. It is a really, REALLY far stretch, and it can only be done in one installment (movie, book, comic, etc.), but I think it’s possible.

The idea is that Darth Vader is a leading figure in the Empire/decaying Republic, fighting against small pockets of resistance against the government (which happen to include the Jedi). The twist is that there’s no suit, so we know what he looks like, but he’s only called “Darth Vader” throughout the entire thing.

Anakin’s real name is hinted at as he comes across the vagabond Jedi and Vader’s mentor, Obi-Wan (who’s trying to hide as many Jedi from Vader), Queen Padme of Naboo (who’s either starting to show signs of pregnancy or already given birth and the kids aren’t revealed until the OT), and several other familiar faces (maybe include Owen and Beru) . As Vader encounters these figures, it’s hinted at his past as Obi-Wan’s pupil and Padme’s lover/husband (who unknowingly has sired children, but that’s only known if you watched the OT first), and he becomes conflicted between his loyalty to Palpatine and to his loved ones who want him back.

More hints are dropped, such as Obi-Wan shows Vader Anakin’s lightsaber (Vader’s using his red one at this point) and Vader interrupts Obi-Wan from fully saying “This is the blade you wanted your children to have.” We see Vader has great hatred for Anakin, who he claims was weak and that was why he killed him (even though it’s not overtly stated that Anakin suppressed the good in him to become Darth Vader). We can explore Vader’s past by showing the wounds (physically and possibly mental) he suffered from the Clone Wars, and why he fell to the Dark Side (only tiny bits as we don’t want to spoil the surprise).

At the end, by whatever circumstance, Vader has fully accepted the Dark Side. Padme (pregnant or already given birth) is scarred by Vader, who then tries to eliminate the rest of the Jedi. This leads to a right with Obi-Wan on a lava pit/planet, and Vader gets his suit (but it can be more hinted at than anything else, since you don’t have to show it). Padme is shown to have lived, but it traumatized by the event and eventually dies after giving Leia to Organa, while Obi-Wan has gone to Tatooine to watch over Luke (Luke and Leia are hinted at than shown, since them showing up in the OT is good enough).

Again, this is a really far stretch, but I think it can work. Certainly not as a trilogy, but a single film would suffice. What do you guys think? Would it work? Is there a way to stretch it into a trilogy? Please let me know. Thanks.

I thought TFA wasn’t bad, but it certainly had a lot that hindered my enjoyment for the movie. It relied heavily on the OT and did not establish anything new for the most part (Rebels vs Empire, Resistance vs First Order, big superweapon that needs to be basically taken out in a trench run). Sure, there are stuff like the Knights of Ren and Snoke (calling it that he’s Plagueis) and how the Dark Side was handled, and there is a lot more I’m hoping to see in the future. It’s just that there’s a lot that irks me.

Personally, I thought the film should have been more of a race to find Luke Skywalker. The Starkiller base is not a superweapon, but just a base of operations, one of many, for the First Order (if you want, you could have them be building it and it’s not finished). Rey should first be shown to have already discovered her Force powers, but is having trouble trying to concentrate/gain control/whatever. Get another ship to be the Falcon of the Sequels, not the Falcon itself. Show more Jedi who survived Kylo Ren’s betrayal and are now working with the Resistance against the First Order. Also, hint at the Republic secretly supporting the Resistance, outside of Leia. Don’t let the film just be action scene after action scene.

That’s all I have right now. I might come up with more later on.

BelatedMedia’s “WHAT IF STAR WARS EPISODE III WERE GOOD?” video on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wKqH6vlGHU) kinda dives into this topic. In it, there is no other apprentice shown, and there is a battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin on Mustafar but it doesn’t show a couple of things: Anakin burning, Palpatine declaring himself emperor, or even directly call Padme’s kids Luke and Leia.

It does hide the spoilers but not in the same manner like what I’ve seen in this thread. It’s pretty interesting and I suggest to give a watch to have a better idea of what I’m talking about.

I already have Mara Jade, Kam Solusar, Sarris from Dark Forces II: Jedi Knights, and Sedris from the Dark Empire comics. They were mainly to be Anakin’s Jedi students, save for Mara who was cast aside by the emperor after part 2 and Sedriss was more of the emperor’s spy to watch over Anakin. Two get killed off, and the other two live on (pretty easy to tell who those 2 are).

For this story, ANH is well established, no doubt about that. For ESB, it was in the original draft, but I’m still working on that bit. As for RotJ, yes that’s sorta rewritten.

In the original draft (where it was only Vader being a clone), it begins with the Bespin duel in ESB, where Vader tells Luke “Obi-Wan killed your father!” The revelation sends Luke on a journey to discover that Vader’s a clone of his father, and Vader did tell the truth of Obi-Wan killing Anakin (seemingly anyway), but it was because of Vader’s machinations. Luke then, goes to Tatooine to build his new lightsaber.

The 2nd part deviated from RotJ, revealing that Anakin survived. It’s further revealed that Anakin originally helped Vader to eliminate the Jedi for the emperor. The emperor has Anakin infiltrate the rebels, who are planning to attack Death Star II, and trying to have Vader killed off. Luke, learning the truth, is startled about his father, but he managed to rescue Vader. The Death Star is damaged, not destroyed, and the emperor’s body is destroyed only for him to transfer into a clone body (remember, this is based off of the Legends EU). The rebels, claiming a major victory with the very emperor defeated, establish themselves as the New Republic, claiming Coruscant at the very end.

Part 3 is five years after RotJ, where Luke is trying to rebuild the Jedi Order while dealing with the reborn Emperor. Vader, imprisoned by the New Republic for info on the Empire’s bases, questions about his loyalty to the Dark Side and slowly turns more grey (and a sort of anti-hero, in that respect). Anakin is still in service to the Empire, is planning to overthrow the emperor and rebuild the Jedi Order in his own image. Teaming with Vader, Luke manages to bring Anakin’s recruits to their side and they stop the emperor from retaking Coruscant. In the final battle, Anakin sees the error of his ways and captures the emperor’s spirit in his dying body. The story ends with Vader going into the Unknown Regions while Luke begins training new Jedi.

Thanks for the help. The idea was to be a trilogy, and the original versions were given these titles:

1st: Secrets in the Blood (Between ESB and RoTJ, 3.5 ABY)

2nd: A Jedi Lost (RotJ, 4 ABY)

3rd: Knights of the New Order (Post-RotJ, 10 ABY)

Like I said, my problem is that I already finished the prologue and story outline for my old idea of Vader only being the clone, and I decided to make OT Obi-Wan a clone just to fit with the stuff the PT made up (but I don’t blame you for not liking the clone Obi-Wan idea).

I’ve been making some notes for a “Infinities” story that changes bits and pieces of the PT backstory. Here, my idea to have the OT’s Obi-Wan and Vader clones of the PT’s Obi-Wan and Anakin, and see how it affects the OT.

This is applying old OT fan theories to PT, hopefully making sense of confusion connections between the OT and PT (recognizing R2 and 3PO, about Obi-Wan serving under Organa, why hide Luke on Vader’s homeworld, etc.) and help connect the films to the Legends Expanded Universe, too.

Originally, I planned only Vader to be a clone of Anakin, which I’ve mentioned before in another thread (http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/A-Modern-Re-Intepretation-of-Star-Wars/id/16723), but I included old Ben Kenobi because of the OB-1 theory. The problem is that I already finished the story outline and finished the prologue.

I’m finding it hard trying to outline a new story. I appreciate any help. Thank you.