Vladius

I had a weird idea and I’m not sure there’s enough footage to pull it off. Since Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is easily the most interesting character of the sequels, and his parts are generally the highest quality, would it be possible to make one movie just from his perspective? I’m imagining it somewhat like A Christmas Carol, with Ben as Scrooge and Han, Luke, and Leia (and Chewie to some extent) following like ghosts and “haunting” him for his evil deeds. Some of this is already explicit in TROS and when Luke says “I’ll always be with you just like your father” in TLJ.
Since the focus would be on Ben, Rey would be the pseudo-antagonist, a star pupil trained by the OT cast to replace him, which builds his resentment until he grows to have some affection for her and Palpatine gets involved.
Obviously deleted scenes like the Oracle would help flesh this out a lot more.

FreezingTNT2 said:

Vladius said:

I wouldn’t say they were on the verge of defeat so much as they were already defeated. They took 99+% casualties and the rest of them could fit comfortably on the Millennium Falcon. Rise of Skywalker effectively ignores this and fills out their numbers without explanation, presumably with new recruits. But would a secondhand story about Luke really do all that much for the propaganda effort?

What makes him a symbol of hope? He came way too late, he didn’t even let them know that he was letting them escape, and they’re all going to think that he lost (which he kind of did because he died.) The reason Leia was seeking him out in TFA is so he could train new Jedi; that was the reason both sides were after him and the reason he would inspire hope. That never happened.

Immediately refuted by the opening crawl of The Last Jedi mentioning this: “Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.”

That’s not refuting it at all. Snoke wants him dead because when they find Skywalker “the new Jedi will rise.” When Lor San Tekka gives Poe the map he clearly refers to the purpose of it as being the return (heh) of the Jedi, “without the Jedi there can be no balance in the Force.” They send Rey to be the one to find him at the end because she’s clearly the best candidate for a new student.

DigMod said:

My idea is to treat the sequel trilogy like a Star Wars Infinitities story. The idea would be that the Rebellion failed at Endor, Palpatine never died, Luke either dies on the Death Star or on Crait, Rey is the other hope Yoda refers to, Darth Vader learns how to transfer his life force into Kylo Ren and seeks to overpower Palpatine, etc.

The presentation would be slightly different and along the lines of the opening scenes of TROS but with Blue text a la Solo to describe the new history leading up to the infinity story. I’m still fleshing out in my mind of how it could all work, but I’ve realized after TROS that I don’t believe I can fix or create continuity with the OT, nor do I have the desire to.

I wish JJ would have utilized the force realm Ezra found in rebels and retconed the entire saga a la Donnie Darko or the Kevin timeline of Star Trek. This approach is as close as I can get and accept what we’ve received. Hopefully I can find a way to pull it off.

This is a great idea and it reminds me of the Legend of Zelda timeline. This cleverly avoids some of the baggage of the sequels repeating original trilogy stuff.
I like the idea of Luke being jaded because he failed to save his father, not Ben.

I wouldn’t say they were on the verge of defeat so much as they were already defeated. They took 99+% casualties and the rest of them could fit comfortably on the Millennium Falcon. Rise of Skywalker effectively ignores this and fills out their numbers without explanation, presumably with new recruits. But would a secondhand story about Luke really do all that much for the propaganda effort?

What makes him a symbol of hope? He came way too late, he didn’t even let them know that he was letting them escape, and they’re all going to think that he lost (which he kind of did because he died.) The reason Leia was seeking him out in TFA is so he could train new Jedi; that was the reason both sides were after him and the reason he would inspire hope. That never happened.

Buzz Lightyear said:

If you’re not interested in an edit with the scene, no one is holding you down and forcing you to watch one.

Anyway, I’ve been trying to make an edit using ForceGhostRecon’s edit but with the Rogue One stuff swapped out for the normal opening. I feel like the reimagined fight scene helps the movie fit in better when watching the entire Star Wars series chronologically.

I said that it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others.

While I like the idea of Luke’s final moments actually accomplishing something, the idea that he’s an inspiration to everyone because of Crait never made sense to me. He’s inspiring like a dozen remaining members of the Resistance that are already die hard fighters and believers in the Jedi, they barely see him in action from a mile away, as far as they know he got killed by Kylo Ren, and he didn’t actually train Rey at all. Where is the inspiration coming from?

Shadester9 said:

Vladius said:

I know you’ll disagree but both the concepts of Rey Palpatine and Rey Skywalker serve the theme you’re talking about, that your bloodline doesn’t matter and you choose your own destiny.

But it still means to you have to belong to some great bloodline in order to be strong with the Force. That Rey was actually a random girl meant that it could have been anyone who could rise up to defeat evil and Skywalkers and Palpatines didn’t matter. Anyone could be a hero. That’s broom kid. Now we’re back to, if you’re not one of four families, you can just forget it. Having her be a Palpatine still narrows the story to “will you accept the destiny in your blood or reject it” which is Kylo’s and Luke’s journey again as opposed to an open ended question of “who and what will you choose to be when that question is truly yours to answer?” I found that much more interesting than Rey Palpatine.

I originally felt the same way because Finn and Rey were sharing equal time and both were ordinary people scraping by and trying out lightsabers and Jedi stuff and getting lucky. But then Finn was kind of sidelined in TLJ, and Rey didn’t actually get any training from Luke. I was never one of those people that said Rey was a Mary Sue, but I do think that her level of power and importance should be explained somehow.

I appreciate what they did but I think that they and others miss the point of the scene, it’s not supposed to be an elaborate acrobatic fight sequence. They’re doing Kendo, which is what actual samurai fights would have looked like; two hands on the sword, more footwork than leaping, running, or wild swinging. The scene looks completely ridiculous in context, like dropping a cracked out MTV clip into a rerun of a show from the 70s.
I think it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others, especially the over the top force pushes, the punching, the throwing of crates and barrels, and so on. At the very least all of the original dialogue and music should be preserved.

I know you’ll disagree but both the concepts of Rey Palpatine and Rey Skywalker serve the theme you’re talking about, that your bloodline doesn’t matter and you choose your own destiny.

Yuri_Kenobi said:

One easy edit that I would like would simply be removing any reference to Palpatine’s Star Destroyers being able to blow up planets. We really don’t need any more super-weapons in my opinion. The size of the fleet is really daunting enough.

I would support this.

I liked Rey being a nobody but I ended up liking her as a Palpatine more. It explains more of her powers and I like the theme that your blood/background don’t have to define you. Her parents were nobodies because they CHOSE to be. It shows that if the Emperor really wanted to, he could have used his immense powers to heal people and do good, instead of becoming an evil wizard zombie. If you’re a fan of The Last Jedi (I’m not but for the sake of argument,) it goes further with the theme of “let the past die,” and shows that concept can be used for good instead of evil as well.

I really liked it honestly. Palpatine was one of the best parts, just like in the prequels.

It renders The Last Jedi almost completely obsolete, other than the parts with Rey, Kylo Ren, and Snoke. That would be my main goal as an editor, somehow incorporating that material into either TFA or this movie or both. It would be really difficult considering how long this one is already.

mykyta-R4 said:

Vladius said:

DominicCobb said:
He hasn’t died in vain, the Resistance will survive and his heroic actions will spread hope and inspiration throughout the galaxy. I think being ‘respectful’ to fictional characters is a stupid concept, but TLJ actually ends with a moment of immense reverence for Luke’s character.

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and yet you still continue to bash films in here?

How many times you think moderators will let you do this?

They ask that no-one bash films in here - you can do that in proper threads instead. Yet you carry on bashing the films - and other people - in here. This area is for Fan Edits.

This is more important to you than doing it relevant thread in General Star Wars section?

Wow.

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oojason said:

Vladius said:

oojason said:

EddieDean said:

Sorry if I’ve not been up with recent discussions, but what was broken about Holdo’s hair being purple?

Nothing mate.

Though some may want to tackle it as a technical challenge / exercise (apparently it is quite a difficult, labour-intensive task to to do - and get right).

Others don’t like the Holdo character and wish to make changes to her.

An aesthetic choice - some seemingly don’t like (through to some not being able to stand) people having purple hair in their Star Wars space opera / fantasy films.

A few have problems that the purple hair meant that the Holdo character was a lesbian; an oft-mentioned comment when making racist, sexist, homophobic or other derogatory comments on other female characters in the Sequels too.

I like to think most on here doing this change for Edits see it as an aesthetic choice or a technical exercise / challenge…

I think it’s really dishonest to reduce anyone who doesn’t like The Last Jedi to a bunch of politically motivated epithets like “racist,” “sexist,” “homophobic,” etc.

I suggest you read my post again - because I am not sure how you claim to that conclusion based on what I wrote.

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snooker said:

Vladius said:

I think it’s really dishonest to reduce anyone who doesn’t like The Last Jedi to a bunch of politically motivated epithets like “racist,” “sexist,” “homophobic,” etc.

Jason didn’t do this?

Talk about projection

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EddieDean said:

Either way, maybe we’re getting distracted from hair colour chat, which I’m still really struggling to understand. I think there’s something fundamental I’m missing here because a few people now have said things like her hair is childish, not suitable for an admiral, annoying, attention seeking; but I don’t know of anywhere in the movies or the EU stuff I have read where people in the Star Wars universe would think things like that about a specific colour of hair or make judgments about people’s abilities based on appearance. Especially when there’s so much tolerated variety in Star Wars with all the aliens, and even other humans with crazy hair like Leia’s buns. Am I nuts or does it feel like a very specific set of assumptions we’re making here?

And even if people in Star Wars think pink hair on humans = less skilled, surely the fact that Holdo’s an admiral goes to prove that they value her abilities higher than even that judgment, like the Empire with Thrawn (“we hate aliens, but damn this one’s a great alien”).

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RogueLeader said:

To play Devil’s advocate, maybe her style would’ve been less “off” to some if they had kept her “hippy-dippy” personality from the first cut of the film. I could possibly see an argument in toning down her style since they also toned down her personality.

Also, if she had been introduced as a surviving senator, more people may have felt her style better matched that profession.

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RogueLeader said:

but maybe making Poe (and the audience) feel like something is off about Holdo is the point

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oojason said:

EddieDean said:

Sorry if I’ve not been up with recent discussions, but what was broken about Holdo’s hair being purple?

Nothing mate.

Though some may want to tackle it as a technical challenge / exercise (apparently it is quite a difficult, labour-intensive task to to do - and get right).

Others don’t like the Holdo character and wish to make changes to her.

An aesthetic choice - some seemingly don’t like (through to some not being able to stand) people having purple hair in their Star Wars space opera / fantasy films.

A few have problems that the purple hair meant that the Holdo character was a lesbian; an oft-mentioned comment when making racist, sexist, homophobic or other derogatory comments on other female characters in the Sequels too.

I like to think most on here doing this change for Edits see it as an aesthetic choice or a technical exercise / challenge…

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The one on YouTube is down but the BitChute one is still available.

Just finished it, really good. I was turned away before because of how much Episode 2 footage was kept, but it was used well to develop the characters.

I want something like this for the sequel trilogy!

DominicCobb said:
He hasn’t died in vain, the Resistance will survive and his heroic actions will spread hope and inspiration throughout the galaxy. I think being ‘respectful’ to fictional characters is a stupid concept, but TLJ actually ends with a moment of immense reverence for Luke’s character.

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I think you’re right unfortunately, that cuts out most of the best parts of ROTS.

I’ve been thinking of something like this myself. It might help to wait for more footage from Rise of Skywalker.

Yes, that’s why I wrote in the thread that it’s a rough cut.

Thanks guys.
Yeah I’ve seen the Luke saves Leia ones and haven’t been impressed. The whole plot of The Force Awakens was both sides trying to find Luke. Even if he’s a little grumpy or reluctant, he should be extremely valuable to the cause.