Valheru_84

NeverarGreat said:

It would be nice to have a <5gb or multipart file option so that Mega would work.

Shouldn’t you just be able to use winzip, winrar or 7zip to split it up into multiple files? This might help also in producing a larger video file if darthrush has the ability to produce a higher quality one (having read earlier that the quality seems a bit lacking when compared to other edits)?

.Val

Till recently the thought of OT fanedits has never entered my mind and they still never will for ANH and TESB. However, being part of this community for a while now has made me realise that ROTJ could possibly use some tweaking here and there to as you say, strengthen it in view of the other two movies.

Your edit sounds very interesting, especially with the fact you used Harmy’s DSE as the base for 95% of it. My only gripes that make me reluctant to watch it though are:

• You left in the CGI creatures in Jabba’s palace despite removing Jedi Rocks. Never had a problem with the original scene nor Nappti Lek.

• You kept the SE ending and music. It’s not one of my most hated changes by GL but it’s still up there with most of the big ones as it completely messes with how I feel at the end of the last SW movie (till Ep7:TFA came along anyway but ROTJ will always feel like the closer on the OT with TFA starting the next trilogy).

I don’t know if it’s to much to ask, but would you consider making a 100% DSE edition of your edit or at least revert the above matters to their DSE versions in an alternate edit?

.Val

Briefly on the topic of storm trooper camo - it’s entirely unnecessary and counter productive to the narrative and plot devices that the purposefully always white troopers are. Throughout the movies you see their armour take different shapes and forms in different environments that do provide different functionality but they always remain white which points to a higher conscious decision to maintain a stark white armour despite adapting its form & design to the conditions and military engagement.

From a logical viewpoint not taking anything else into account, yes it makes sense from a military perspective to provide forest, desert or urban camo armour as per the environment they are deployed to but this logic has obviously been consciously overriden (as per a GL statement quoted in an earlier post) in favour of the image and message it conveys by all troopers remaining white. It speaks to the might and power of the Empire, a constant and unmissable message conveyed wherever ther are seen, that they need not bother with such tactical matters nor do they ever feel the need even consider such matters as who would raise a hand against the mighty Empire? Until the Rebels off course…

The only military members of the Empire (apart from the Officers) that are not white are the black fighter pilots who primarily will always be on a Star Destroyer or the Death Star or actually inside a Tie fighter and not seen by the general public as well. And then there’s the ceremonial guards in red which again is all about the associated message - it is the colour of blood and is meant to convey fear and awe as it signifies the imminent arrival or presence of the Emperor himself.

It’s all about visual language such as the fact that Vader being all black makes him a fearful figure and really stand out in the Empire against the vast ranks of opposingly stark white storm troopers. Also being the public face of the Empire, troopers being white could be seen as a way to placate and mislead the masses into continual complacent acceptance of their control since white is not generally associated with ‘evil’ but with ‘good’ and so the masses are less likely to care about the Empire’s motives as long as they are generally left alone and will turn a blind eye to events they don’t have first hand knowledge or involvement with.

Ok, maybe that wasn’t so brief LOL…

.Val

MalàStrana said:

doubleofive said:

People suggesting ideas from the new movies is on topic.

People rejecting those ideas because Disney/LFL came up with them is not.

Is this also a possibility ?

• People suggesting ideas from the PT is on topic.
• People rejecting those ideas ‘just’ because Lucas came up with them is not.
• People rejecting PT ideas because they hate the PT and love the OT of which ROTJ is from, is on topic.

Just clarifying your 2nd condition and adding a 3rd one 😉

.Val

If anyone is still having trouble finding these edits, shoot me a PM 😉

.Val

exitzero said:

When Luke is hiding from Vader under the throne dais, the consoles he’s using to conceal himself don’t even reach to the ground. When he screams “No!” he’s right out in the open like Vader couldn’t see him. there needs to be more of a maze of consoles and equipment underneath the throne.

Amongst all the chat about trooper camo and Emperor ship colour schemes, the above is actually not a bad idea. I too remember initially thinking it a bit odd that Luke just ends up being in the open in the shadow of some stairs though it was more of a niggle than an annoyance and after repeat viewings I stopped thinking about it.

.Val

TV’s Frink said:

Are those the actual files? If so you had better remove the links, because that’s not allowed.

What links? (Sorry about that 😉 )

.Val

Amano said:

Possessed said:

The theatricals are terrible, but the problems for me weren’t the story or plot our character dynamics.

At least in the case of TPM I liked the theatrical much more than what ended up on DVD.

I don’t know whether to laugh or facepalm that not even his own dictated prequels are safe from his constant meddling with the theatrical versions. So I take it you also can’t get the OUPT anymore much like the OUT? Not that it’s like the tragedy of the OT situation but still, an oddly frustrating continuation of Georgia’s fascination with giving SW fans the middle finger…

.Val

DigMod said:

I’d be interested Val.

Hey DigMod,

As I speak I’m actually in the process of downloading the Ep3 Anti Cheese edit from links someone posted in the comments to JeremyMWest-Esquire’s actual video explaining why they were taken down. I doubt very much it will come close to beating Kerr’s “Dark Force Rising” Ep3 edit, but I’m interested nonetheless since Jeremy’s Ep1 and Ep2 edits are my go to edits for those movies.

Anyway, checkout the comments for the video below. See how you go with them and if you have any trouble I can still upload my copies, just shoot me a PM:

Jeremy’s “Where are the anti cheese edits?” video: https://youtu.be/GZENHLYZmLo

.Val

Edit: Just finished downloading Ep3 and can confirm it is the same format (mp4) and quality (720p) as the other two anti cheese edits I already have (just for the purpose of verifying the files somewhat).

Slavicuss said:

TV’s Frink said:

Gee, thanks for sharing.

I just had to get that off my chest. I feel much better now.

Going off of that post, I think you meant you emptied your bowels. That also usually makes one feel better…

Hal 9000 said:

I agree; sounds good. I apologize for my terse interactions in this thread lately. I’ve been working on something LOTR-related in conjunction with Kerr that I’m pretty excited about, with TFA:R V2 being in the “waiting on” phase.

Didn’t realise Kerr was still around. If you don’t mind, would you please ask him if he ever plans to do edits on TPM & AOTC? His ROTS “Dark Force Rising” is my all time favourite edit of any PT edit (not just for ROTS) and I’ve always hoped to see what he would do with the other two if he ever decided to edit them. Watching Dark Force Rising had my jaw actually dropping a number of times, I’ve never experienced an edit that could so completely turn around a normally yawn inducing, face palming cringe-fest experience that the theatricals are.

.Val

I have these and could upload if wanted but it would be through Mega as well. The easiest way to get around it though is just reset / power cycle your router once you’ve hit the 5gb limit. This will cause your router to get a new IP address from your ISP after which you can start downloading the next 5gb.

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

Sometimes info removes edit listings when the links go dead.

It would seem nobody Kerrs anymore.

No that edit is still there, the anti cheese edits aren’t though.

.Val

TV’s Frink said:

Is it known by another name? Because I’ve never seen that edit on either FE or info.

I know they’re not in the IFDB but from memory they are listed on info if you search for them. Though having just done a search they no longer seem to appear…maybe my memory is just addled o.O

.Val

IrishCal24 said:

Chuckster said:

I just heard of anti cheese prequels edits, is there anyway to view them since they haver been blocked on utube?

Check the comments on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZENHLYZmLo and you’ll find links. Be forewarned, they’re still akin to turds that have been spray-painted gold. They may sparkle, but you can’t cover the smell.

Maybe they’re not your cup of tea but they’re certainly not turds. I know you’re referring to the source material though so it’s forgivable, but it is really in the eye of the beholder as to how good an edit is. The anti cheese edits are my go to edits for Ep 1 and 2 and this is after watching the renowned Hal9000, Seciors, Q2 and L8tr edits among other well done edits that for me, fail in a number of ways to make an enjoyable enough experience to sit through each movie. For Ep 3 I won’t go to any other edit than Kerr’s ‘Dark Force Rising’.

In regards to getting copies of the Anti Cheese edits they are also available over at fanedit.org but if you don’t know the actual process to get them through there, you will have to do some sniffing around to get that extra piece of info 😉

.Val

Hey Matt.F, just remembered I needed to respond to your first reply on the previous page. So here’s a double reply 😛

Matt.F said:

Valheru_84, I am of similar opinion to yourself. “What the special edition should have been” is a great description for SW and ESB Revisited and I hope it will also apply to ROTJ Revisited.

Whilst Adywan has mentioned that there will be more editorial changes in this film than the previous two I look at what he’s specifically mentioned in his change list on the first post and these all seem very much in keeping with the previous two Revisited films.

Reading through this thread there are many people who want to push and petition him to make more major changes, rearrangements and even introduce new subplots (several pages were spent trying to persuade him that introducing a ‘Boba secret plan to kidnap Luke’ subplot was somehow worthwhile).

I think Adywan is now ‘two for two’ and has earned a degree of trust. His instincts on what to change and what to leave well alone seem to be sound. As Lucas discovered, these are beloved films and one clunky misjudged change can ruin the whole film for the audience, but I trust Adywan not to make any Greedo Shoots First type mistakes and go off the deep end.

A great, level headed post and I agree with everything you say and have that same trust in Ady after ANH and TESB. It was more my initial shock talking in those previous posts, thank you for helping remind me of these facts.

Matt.F said:

Val, again my taste tallies with yours - ever since seeing the longer cut of The Abyss I’ve preferred and sought out movies ‘extended edition’. However Original Trilogy is a fan edit site born from the prequels. The natural inclination of most of the guys here is to cut. It becomes that the movie is almost a puzzle, or a technical exercise what lines / scenes can be cut whilst preserving logic. There are dozens of variations on the prequels that use this approach, sometimes cutting so drastically that all 3 films are reduced just down to 1.

For me, I’d hate to see the Boussh scene cut or the Leia meets Wicket scene cut or the Ben force ghost. All of these have some value in them and some meaning to me. I would rather see more of the story rather than less, and I would miss them if they were gone. If the quality was high enough it would be great to have all the deleted scenes restored.

Jedi Rocks however… well you got me there!

Yeah what you say makes a lot of sense again. I do like extended movies but I also like fan edits that have been trimmed if it was necessary and properly makes the film better for it. In the case of the PTs, that’s a LARGE whack of each movie unfortunately which is why it’s often so hard for edits to make them anything more than watchable to somewhat enjoyable at times but they can never be great due to the limited source material to work with in the first place.

On the other hand - I, like you (probably), see value or hold nostalgic value in nearly all ROTJ scenes so it will be quite hard for me to actually see scenes cut from it. The movie could be made a little darker like TESB until the Empire is actually defeated at which point it should them become lighter in mood as everyone celebrates but if I was to look at the movie with an editor’s scalpel, I have no idea what I’d actually trim apart from maybe a few seconds here and there of sheer Ewok silliness as well as Chewie’s tarzan yell (was that even in the theatrical version or another facepalming GL change? Can’t remember myself).

When I say that though, it’s from the perspective of the OUT / Harmy’s DSEs. If we’re talking about the actual SEs then I could find a long list of things to cut / change back to original, such as the abomination that Jedi Rocks is and the new alien animations…that was a serious WTF moment for me where I truly wondered if GL had lost his mind…

.Val

Hey NeverarGreat,

Re-posting this from Ady’s thread to await your response, though I get the feeling whatever that response may be I still won’t agree in the end as we seem to have fairly opposed views on the matter:

Valheru_84 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Every issue with the rescue plan could be explained away (as indeed you do), it’s just that it takes quite a bit of thinking to even parse it out. This change fixes the contradictory information from 3PO, shortens the Jabba sequence by 2.5 minutes, and strengthens Leia’s cover story while involving Boba Fett in the plot.

Again, I respectfully disagree. These matters never stood out when watching the movie as I guess my imagination did a pretty quick job of filling in any subconscious blanks in the story’s logic which had it not, it would have grabbed my attention and drawn me out of the movie to focus on the then noticeable inconsistency or plot hole. The explanations I provide above only get a bit lengthy in actually trying to draw them out of more of an impression that fills that gap and put them into written form in how it all makes perfect sense to me when watching the movie. What I wrote above is not what I am literally thinking when watching the movie but what I get when I sit back and critically think about how to explain what the movie has implanted in my brain in telling the unseen story through actual scenes and plot inferences when faced with the issues you and other raise with these scenes. I don’t believe C3-POs line is in any shape or form a plot hole and if it was, surely this would be dead set obvious one to the actual film makers at the time and rectified rather than leaving it in if the intent was not instead to simply infer that he has no clue whatsoever as to the actual plan? The later seems by far the simpler and more logical explanation in this case (as I’m not immune in the slightest to actual plot holes that deserve mentioning).

On the other matters:

• Why is shortening the Jabba sequence a good thing?
• How does it strengthen Leia’s cover story? From my perspective, removing C3-POs line only removes the inference that he’s been kept out of the loop for confidentially reasons that the mission depends on.
• What is the reasoning for involving Fett in the plot? Seems contradictory to include the bounty hunter that put Han there in the first place and until the PT, wasn’t that a character that we actually saw a real lot of or knew that much about if only taking into account the information gleaned from simply watching the movies?

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

Suggesting ideas is fine, far as I know. But I figure that after a fair amount of discussion, ideas should go to the more general thread since Ady has probably made up his mind one way or another and it’s less posts to sift through later on.

Well said
See you in the other thread

😛

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

Every issue with the rescue plan could be explained away (as indeed you do), it’s just that it takes quite a bit of thinking to even parse it out. This change fixes the contradictory information from 3PO, shortens the Jabba sequence by 2.5 minutes, and strengthens Leia’s cover story while involving Boba Fett in the plot.

Again, I respectfully disagree. These matters never stood out when watching the movie as I guess my imagination did a pretty quick job of filling in any subconscious blanks in the story’s logic which had it not, it would have grabbed my attention and drawn me out of the movie to focus on the then noticeable inconsistency or plot hole. The explanations I provide above only get a bit lengthy in actually trying to draw them out of more of an impression that fills that gap and put them into written form in how it all makes perfect sense to me when watching the movie. What I wrote above is not what I am literally thinking when watching the movie but what I get when I sit back and critically think about how to explain what the movie has implanted in my brain in telling the unseen story through actual scenes and plot inferences when faced with the issues you and other raise with these scenes. I don’t believe C3-POs line is in any shape or form a plot hole and if it was, surely this would be dead set obvious one to the actual film makers at the time and rectified rather than leaving it in if the intent was not instead to simply infer that he has no clue whatsoever as to the actual plan? The later seems by far the simpler and more logical explanation in this case (as I’m not immune in the slightest to actual plot holes that deserve mentioning).

On the other matters:

• Why is shortening the Jabba sequence a good thing?
• How does it strengthen Leia’s cover story? From my perspective, removing C3-POs line only removes the inference that he’s been kept out of the loop for confidentially reasons that the mission depends on.
• What is the reasoning for involving Fett in the plot? Seems contradictory to include the bounty hunter that put Han there in the first place and until the PT, wasn’t that a character that we actually saw a real lot of or knew that much about if only taking into account the information gleaned from simply watching the movies?

Btw if this discussion should go elsewhere, let me know. Though it feels correct to be discussing such potential changes for revisited in this thread? I know the other revisited threads didn’t get to well over 1000 pages by keeping all in depth discussion in alternate threads 😉

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

Chewie’s introduction in the cell is one of the few changes I’d really like to see in even a ‘soft’ fanedit like this. It’s basically a plot hole that Chewie isn’t captured, since 3PO says ‘Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place’.

See this never bothered me and I don’t see it as a plot hole because I assumed the gang kept C3-PO in the dark about the full rescue plan because he’s a blabber mouth and couldn’t be trusted once fallen into Jabba’s hands to not give away this information. So from his perspective, he only knows that Landa and Chewie went to the palace for some reason and never returned. This is apparently quite different from the fact that Lando isn’t captured but infiltrated and therefore was never going to return before the rescue plan was carried out and Chewie was taken in as a pretend hostage, both facts C3-PO is unaware of which makes me think he’s completely unaware of the plan and his part in it.

Whereas you get the feeling that the far clueir R2 is in on it, especially seeing how he has Luke’s lightsaber onboard for say “contingency plan C” when Luke bargaining in person also predictably failed. Though I’m sure he certainly didn’t expect to find himself locked in a Rancor pit as part of the plan 😉

.Val

Another matter I wanted to comment on that I always see a few posts about and that is the shield generator “back door”. People seem to think it a literal back door directly into the generator complex where I always saw it as the obviously (to me) implied secret rear entrance / exit that connects to the main generator complex via somewhat of a lengthy corridor / tunnel. When you see the entrance from outside you can’t see the generator itself so therefore I am already imagining that it is some distance away from the entrance itself. Furthermore once inside where they place the explosives you get to see and glimpse some of the actual generator structure which looks like it stretches away for quite some distance and you get the feeling of quite a large structure which doesn’t feel like it could coexist directly inside the entrance when seen from outside.

So due to this I don’t see any of the issues people raise about it such as why didn’t Han get incinerated - because by the time it blows, he’s run all the way back trough the tunnel and outside. You see part of the explosion still exit the tunnel but it’s more of a distant fire flash finding its way out through a distant exit while the shield generator is then shown to completely go up in a massive fireball which if Han and Co had been right beside it, would have been killed for sure so therefore logic and what I’d already subconsciously imagined earlier on as to the entrance location to the generator itself places them at a much farther and safer distance from the main generator.

.Val

So (with the understanding now that this will be an edit of ROTJ) I don’t understand the point behind the suggestions to edit Leia, Lando & Chewie scenes in Jabba’s palace or what is wrong with any of it in the first place?

• I never knew it was Leia till she unmasked after unfreezing Han.

• The plan to infiltrate Leia into the palace by disguise as a bounty hunter with modified voice speaking in an alien language and all, to then hand in Chewie for the reward as a contingency plan against C3-PO and R2s message plan not working seemed well enough thought out and logical with them feeling pretty certain the initial message plan would fail by offering the droids as “gifts” to also infiltrate them as such into the palace along with Chewie which is essentially what they do though he has to spend some time waiting in a cell initially.

• Lando dipping his face guard to let you know it’s him has never bothered me and adds that little bit of extra info to the audience who can start to glean a larger plan coming together and is actually pretty cool how they gradually lay it all out and piece together the rescue mission. Sure there was a lot of measured risk involved but it is Star Wars we’re talking about 😉

• Putting Han in the same cell as Chewie never threw up any obvious issues to me. Maybe all the other cells are already full or as someone else alluded to, maybe the other occupants (based of what we see in other cells as we are walked by with C3-PO) would simply kill Han, robbing Jabba of publically executing him. In any event, I don’t think just because they know each other and are the elusive smuggler duo automatically means the guards should think they might be able to then escape? Really don’t understand the issue here, it was always just a nice little reunion scene between Han and Chewie which I would very much miss if it was removed.

Maybe I’m missing something obvious? But I don’t see any of the problems with the rescue mission that you all seem to. There are definitely some parts in the movie that could use some tweaking and improvement but I wouldn’t have thought this area was one of them.

.Val

doubleofive said:

Valheru_84 said:

Donation made. All the best Adywan, may the force be with you!

doubleofive said:

doubleofive said:

Thanks to him and ImageShack, the mockups are mostly gone, but the list is just private if I had the momentum to clean it up.

Now hosting all the images on the Wordpress, we’re back up.

https://doubleofive.wordpress.com/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

What is the list inside this link? Just listing all suggestions made so far by everyone? Or just from yourself? I take it from the italics and strike through comments that it’s not an official list which I’m grateful for if it means none of the PT inspired changes make it in! I read the suggestion about replacing the advisors with Nemoidians and nearly puked! A lot of the other suggested changes are pretty solid and good but I can’t stand the thought of defiling an OT movie with PT aspects!! I already hate GL just for Hayden’s head on Shaw’s body…

.Val

This was a 5 year old compilation of suggestions/mockups from another thread.

Valheru_84 said:

Just got to say that some of the suggestions I’ve read in here such as Regularjoe and Bingowings above (as well as others many pages back now) verge on the fan edit territory if not outright “re-imagined” territory for some suggestions and I really hope Adywan sticks to his guns on making “what the SEs should have been”. That is to enhance what is already there, fix all the little niggles and continuity issues and overall elevate the original movie to something really special like he’s already done for ANH and TESB.

We’re all here because we loved the original movies, cutting out parts like Kenobi or Yoda’s death or adding in PT inspired changes will all contribute to actually ruining the movie for many people for various reasons instead of EVERYONE still being able to enjoy and love an even better version and proper SE of ROTJ, warts and all. If there are certain things you want to change for yourself then take the end result of ROTJ:R as a base and make an actual fan edit.

Anyway, I’m not here to tell Adywan what to do with ROTJ:R, that’s just my opinion on the matter and it just shocked me a bit when reading through and expecting to see people offering up details of things to fix and ways to improve the movie to an SE version but instead seeing many suggestions that would completely alter the story and movie itself.

.Val

Like I said recently “What The Special Editions Should Have Been” was a tagline I came up with. Adywan has said he’s planning for this to be an actual fan edit, not a fan fix.

Ah k, fair enough on both accounts. I just hope Ady’s fan edit isn’t too radical…I’ve fully embraced and loved what he’s done with ANH:R and TESB:R and it would really suck personally to not have a similar ROTJ:R to finish off an awesome re-visioning of the SEs. I know the tag line was created by you but I think it perfectly epitomises what the Revisited movies are and I hope they will form the perfect SW Revisited saga / trilogy rather than having 2 awesome SEs and having to find a different fan fix to finish it off…or even worse, left an incomplete trilogy with no other fan fix being worthy to fill the void 😕

It kind of puzzles me though that you would get 2/3 of the way through revisiting the trilogy in such a way and then change direction and focus for the last 3rd which chances ruining the success and the prospect of going down in history as the perfect fan fix SE trilogy. Such probably wasn’t what Ady was aiming for but in my mind that is where it was headed. Saying this may not happen if it’s going to be an edit instead of a fix is not a sledge against Ady as I doubt anything he produces would be less than amazing but in all seriousness, when I thought about my future SW viewing experience, the image consisted of having a really hard time choosing each time whether to watch Harmy’s DSE OT or Ady’s Revisited OT SEs and the thought now of that possibly not being the case if Ady ends up making ROTJ:R quite different from the theatrical story, it’s a bit of a shock to the system.

Anyway, I’m still happy to have made the donation and will eagerly await over the years to see what comes of it. I understand it’s Ady’s edit, his vision of SW…finding out it will be an edit rather than a fix though just happened to give a good yank on the SW rug underneath me that has only started to piece itself back together upon finding my way here looking for PT fan edits which led me to Harmy’s DSEs and other amazing community creations that have made my SW viewing experience something truly enjoyable and loved again, instead of subconsciously trying to forget what GL did in later years to some of my favourite all time movies that I grew up with.

.Val

Edit: Also sorry to those that I called out above on their suggestions…I didn’t realise it was going to be an edit rather than a fix. Val

I always got the impression that Luke had returned to Dagobah in between films and completed his training. As said, there is a feeling of a decent amount of timing having passed (on the order of at least months to half a year or more) and a distinct shift in Luke’s manner, maturity and mastery on some level of the force. It would be cool to see a few scenes like Luke constructing his Lightsabre but in my mind theyre completely unnecessary and I don’t know how you’d integrate them into the movie anyway without completely changing the tone of the movie, especially at the start with the rescue mission at Jabba’s palace.

.Val

Just got to say that some of the suggestions I’ve read in here such as Regularjoe and Bingowings above (as well as others many pages back now) verge on the fan edit territory if not outright “re-imagined” territory for some suggestions and I really hope Adywan sticks to his guns on making “what the SEs should have been”. That is to enhance what is already there, fix all the little niggles and continuity issues and overall elevate the original movie to something really special like he’s already done for ANH and TESB.

We’re all here because we loved the original movies, cutting out parts like Kenobi or Yoda’s death or adding in PT inspired changes will all contribute to actually ruining the movie for many people for various reasons instead of EVERYONE still being able to enjoy and love an even better version and proper SE of ROTJ, warts and all. If there are certain things you want to change for yourself then take the end result of ROTJ:R as a base and make an actual fan edit.

Anyway, I’m not here to tell Adywan what to do with ROTJ:R, that’s just my opinion on the matter and it just shocked me a bit when reading through and expecting to see people offering up details of things to fix and ways to improve the movie to an SE version but instead seeing many suggestions that would completely alter the story and movie itself.

.Val