Donation made. All the best Adywan, may the force be with you!

doubleofive said:

doubleofive said:

Thanks to him and ImageShack, the mockups are mostly gone, but the list is just private if I had the momentum to clean it up.

Now hosting all the images on the Wordpress, we’re back up.

https://doubleofive.wordpress.com/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

What is the list inside this link? Just listing all suggestions made so far by everyone? Or just from yourself? I take it from the italics and strike through comments that it’s not an official list which I’m grateful for if it means none of the PT inspired changes make it in! I read the suggestion about replacing the advisors with Nemoidians and nearly puked! A lot of the other suggested changes are pretty solid and good but I can’t stand the thought of defiling an OT movie with PT aspects!! I already hate GL just for Hayden’s head on Shaw’s body…

.Val

solkap said:

Oh, almost forgot. If you do manage to get your hands on an NJVC set, they are ISO files, which you should be able to mount as a virtual drive and also play without burning if you wish. It will do so with menus and everything.

For that, my experience on a PC is that Leawo Blu-ray Player works better. But Leawo is also free and the MAC OS version of it is here.

Have you figured out a way to make the menus work with Leawo? Apparently you can use the builtin virtual remote but I can never find it, so I usually just open the chapter menu and manually play the video file. Not all that concerned as I am planning to burn them to BD anyway but would be handy to have either way.

.Val

The Ritty said:

towne32 said:

The Ritty said:

Faithwyn said:

Why?

Why what? lol

It’s not completely clear what this is, but the vague description alludes to it being a massive, enormous, and ambitious series of edits. But the details just suggest ‘no Jar Jar, some splicing of clone war episodes, new crawls, and DVD quality, but maybe just a blueprint’.

Either way, I think it belongs in the fan edit section.

Plus I’m not so sure what’s vague about “completing work on all 9 Star wars films” with 9 individual links. Seems pretty clear doesn’t it? 9 fan edits - but like I said I call them blueprints as to hwo the series should be re-edited. Am I speaking chinese lol?

Is there anyway to close a topic like this when it’s in the wrong section? Thanks.

What individual links though? There are none in the OP and that’s probably the missing piece so that people can then checkout each edit to see what it actually involves.

.Val

Edit: Ignore my initial post above. Just re-read the OP and seen that you will PM links. Are these links to just the edit details though or the edits themselves? If the edits themselves, do you not have more in depth details as to what you actually did with each movie?

NeverarGreat said:

I wouldn’t say I didn’t like it, just that I had hoped for something more than merely making it a bit truer to the book.

It could be that it is much like the PTs…recoverable to a point of enjoyment but impossible to edit with existing material into a great movie that does justice to it’s source material.

Anyway, I will watch it before commenting further now though that will be in another 3 weeks or so as I’m to low on my current internet quota to download this edit and not piss the wife of who needs it for uni work.

.Val

From my understanding, the link I posted above is the latest version. The Redux is basically a special edition of his original “The Alternative Edit” where he’s fixed a number of things pointed out on this earlier version and redone the edit with his now more polished editing skills than when he first made the edit.

Interesting to hear you didn’t like it all that much Neverar, will definitely have to give it a watch now to see how our views differ.

I’d read the book a number of times as a kid before seeing the movie as a teen. Thought the movie was pretty epic though at the same time lacking but it satisfied me enough at the time as a big screen adaptation. Having then bought the 3hr extended edition on DVD years later assuming it was the same movie and trying to show it to my girlfriend at the time (now wife - I must be an OK catch if she’s still with me after sitting / sleeping through that experience LOL) we both thought it terrible and I couldn’t even finish watching it myself. So it will be very interesting to finally watch an edit that claims to be better than both official versions. I’m actually a little excited at the prospect of maybe really liking the movie again 😃

.Val

TV’s Frink said:

Can you guys please just start your own “Rape and Incest in Star Wars” thread?

I’m over discussing / arguing it myself. Was initially just curious as to how ATMachine came to that conclusion. My view on the scene itself is still unchanged and I’ll never connect rape with anything in SW because I never have to date nor even had the remote thought of it ever entered my mind when watching SW and I’ll be happy to stop talking about it as it’s a horrible reality of our world that Id rather leave out of my enjoyment of the SW story.

.Val

suspiciouscoffee said:

LMAO!! XD

ATMachine said:

Valheru_84 said:

ATMachine said:

Valheru_84 said:

ATMachine said:

One thing about ROTJ that’s often overlooked is how it thematically sets up Luke and Leia’s sibling relationship.

In ESB Luke rushed off hotheadedly on his own to save his friends, and got his right hand cut off by Vader as a result. In ROTJ Leia rushes off hotheadedly on her own to save Han, and is unmasked and implicitly raped by Jabba as a result.

Skywalker hotbloodedness in both cases. But since the Leia bit of that parallel is told mostly through implication, few viewers pick up on it.

Can’t say I ever picked up on any implications that Leia HAD been raped, sure it could be an extrapolated possibility if you took that view that at some stage she would be but by whom I don’t know as looking at Jabba he doesn’t seem compatible with humans and being her captor and master of the palace, it’s not like anyone else has access to her without his permission and there’s no implication in the movie as to any of this.

Basically I am saying - what makes you think (from in movie implications and cues) that she has or would be raped simply because she is sitting there in a bikini? It’s a possibility if your mind really delves down that line of thought but I don’t feel the movie allows for this, ultimately just showing as another part of Jabba’s entertainment in humiliating his captives and displaying his power over them (like carbonite Han hanging as a wall display).

.Val

It’s in Kasdan’s second-draft screenplay, which contains everything in the finished film but also uses the phrase “fate worse than death” to describe what happens to her offscreen.

That isn’t any evidence to say it is rape. Rape alone isn’t worse than death as after rape there is still life no matter what trauma came beforehand. Death is final, there’s no going back or alternative outcomes…though I suppose the topic is somewhat debatable for Jedi Knights that become force ghosts 😉

Be that as it may, the phrase “fate worse than death” is a traditional euphemism for rape/sexual assault/etc. Kasdan using it in dialogue in the script indicates that he, as the film’s writer, understood that to be what happens in that scene.

ATMachine said:
The nuEU also apparently had this in mind, because it specifically invalidated the Legends claim that Hutts were all hermaphrodites.

No offense if you do, but I really don’t care what any sort of EU has to say on original OT canon and I never will.

This is an admirable approach. Of course I personally am one who prefers to throw out the idea of a single rigid “canon” altogther.

Maybe if this had been more Kasdan’s movie than George taking back the tiller somewhat after ESB, then that may have come through in the movie and been what people naturally inferred. Such is not the case though with ROTJ being swung back to more kid sensitive themes and what you are referencing with Kasdan is external to the movie experience itself and therefore in my opinion it does not count as I’m basing my take on the scene primarily from simply watching it in the course of a full theatrical viewing.

It’s interesting that Kasan had a much darker intent for that part of the story but it’s not in the movie as far as I can see so it doesn’t change how I see the scene itself.

As for canon, I’ve only ever known that of the OT before the PT times (which Id just as happily discount and forget) and therefore it is self contained, almost frozen in time if you will and I’m not interested in the EU so for me all that matters is what is in the OT and how it is perceived through those movies.

.Val

ATMachine said:

Valheru_84 said:

ATMachine said:

One thing about ROTJ that’s often overlooked is how it thematically sets up Luke and Leia’s sibling relationship.

In ESB Luke rushed off hotheadedly on his own to save his friends, and got his right hand cut off by Vader as a result. In ROTJ Leia rushes off hotheadedly on her own to save Han, and is unmasked and implicitly raped by Jabba as a result.

Skywalker hotbloodedness in both cases. But since the Leia bit of that parallel is told mostly through implication, few viewers pick up on it.

Can’t say I ever picked up on any implications that Leia HAD been raped, sure it could be an extrapolated possibility if you took that view that at some stage she would be but by whom I don’t know as looking at Jabba he doesn’t seem compatible with humans and being her captor and master of the palace, it’s not like anyone else has access to her without his permission and there’s no implication in the movie as to any of this.

Basically I am saying - what makes you think (from in movie implications and cues) that she has or would be raped simply because she is sitting there in a bikini? It’s a possibility if your mind really delves down that line of thought but I don’t feel the movie allows for this, ultimately just showing as another part of Jabba’s entertainment in humiliating his captives and displaying his power over them (like carbonite Han hanging as a wall display).

.Val

It’s in Kasdan’s second-draft screenplay, which contains everything in the finished film but also uses the phrase “fate worse than death” to describe what happens to her offscreen.

That isn’t any evidence to say it is rape. Rape alone isn’t worse than death as after rape there is still life no matter what trauma came beforehand. Death is final, there’s no going back or alternative outcomes…though I suppose the topic is somewhat debatable for Jedi Knights that become force ghosts 😉

ATMachine said:
The nuEU also apparently had this in mind, because it specifically invalidated the Legends claim that Hutts were all hermaphrodites.

No offense if you do, but I really don’t care what any sort of EU has to say on original OT canon and I never will.

ATMachine said:
I wonder how many people would be lining up for photos with Jabba at Star Wars conventions if they knew?

DuracellEnergizer said:

Two words: tongue action.

Those two words said, I don’t think Leia was raped. I think she’d exhibit signs of PTSD had she been.

She does! Leia is uncharacteristically silent throughout the whole scene where she’s in the bikini. Basically the idea is she’s in shock after being assaulted. As Carrie Fisher said, normally Leia would be first to crack wise about that skimpy outfit. But she’s silent, because she’s traumatized by what happened offscreen.

Definitely not how I read the scene. She is a captive at the time with a chain around her neck, a wise crack would get her nothing but punishment from Jabba (with the knowledge that there’s a master plan to free them all instead of at the start of ANH when she’s openly defiant in the face of certain torture and death at the hands of Darth Vader or the Empire, constantly spitting in their face to try and force their hand for a quick death and not risk giving up the rebel base location). She does let loose a furtive smirk though at Luke’s seemingly boastful offer to Jabba, showing her rebellious spark is still there but held in close check lest she draw the ire of Jabba or potentially show her contempt for her current situation and therefore possibly give away some hint as to a larger rescue plan in action. She gets a good yank on the chain anyway, Jabba showing his power over holding her captive but I can’t see any other inferences.

That’s what I read into it anyway if I want to start examining the scene and extrapolating of screen events.

.Val

yotsuya said:

Valheru_84 said:

Don’t know about the best 3 hour cut per se but having a quick look around fanedit.org I’d say this version sounds like it could be my definitive version of Dune once I get a chance to download and watch it.

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/dune-the-alternative-edition-redux/

Hadn’t thought about a Dune fan edit till now thanks to your thread and it is one movie that definitely needs some fixing. I’ve actually been looking out for the theatrical release on DVD for ages as the 3hr version is absolute rubbish despite the extra footage. Seems though that I won’t need to now though 😃

.Val

It’s on the spleen so I’m going to check it out. Claims he did a lot of work that would be useful not to have to redo.

One of the reviewers for the redux version said the Third Cut used to be their definitive until watching the redux version which blew it away, so based on that I definitely agree it would be worth your time checking out the redux.

.Val

ATMachine said:

One thing about ROTJ that’s often overlooked is how it thematically sets up Luke and Leia’s sibling relationship.

In ESB Luke rushed off hotheadedly on his own to save his friends, and got his right hand cut off by Vader as a result. In ROTJ Leia rushes off hotheadedly on her own to save Han, and is unmasked and implicitly raped by Jabba as a result.

Skywalker hotbloodedness in both cases. But since the Leia bit of that parallel is told mostly through implication, few viewers pick up on it.

Can’t say I ever picked up on any implications that Leia HAD been raped, sure it could be an extrapolated possibility if you took that view that at some stage she would be but by whom I don’t know as looking at Jabba he doesn’t seem compatible with humans and being her captor and master of the palace, it’s not like anyone else has access to her without his permission and there’s no implication in the movie as to any of this.

Basically I am saying - what makes you think (from in movie implications and cues) that she has or would be raped simply because she is sitting there in a bikini? It’s a possibility if your mind really delves down that line of thought but I don’t feel the movie allows for this, ultimately just showing as another part of Jabba’s entertainment in humiliating his captives and displaying his power over them (like carbonite Han hanging as a wall display).

.Val

Don’t know about the best 3 hour cut per se but having a quick look around fanedit.org I’d say this version sounds like it could be my definitive version of Dune once I get a chance to download and watch it.

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/dune-the-alternative-edition-redux/

Hadn’t thought about a Dune fan edit till now thanks to your thread and it is one movie that definitely needs some fixing. I’ve actually been looking out for the theatrical release on DVD for ages as the 3hr version is absolute rubbish despite the extra footage. Seems though that I won’t need to now though 😃

.Val

DrDre said:

imperialscum said:

DrDre said:

imperialscum said:

DrDre said:

imperialscum said:

ROTJ had some of the best character development in OT. While Han’s character development in ESB was great, I think Luke’s and Vader’s character developments in ROTJ were even a level above that.

I disagree. The Luke/Vader arc was great, but it was the only significant arc in the film. The other characters were just going through the motions, shells of their former selfs. TESB had great arcs for all the main characters. Every character was in a very different place personally at the end of the second installment from where they started off. This puts TESB miles ahead of ROTJ in the character development department.

Different place in terms of character? Not entirely true. For example, Luke does not actually change much in ESB. He is still this enthusiastic and reckless guy as he was at the beginning. He leaves Yoda’s training pretty much the same person (recklessly nonetheless). Leia again does not change much besides finally revealing her feelings to Han. The only one with a significant change is Han’s character. It is unfortunate that Lucas made Leia proclaim her love to Han already in ESB. I think iff he would leave that for ROTJ, those two character could be used way better in ROTJ.

In ROTJ Luke becomes completely different person compared to ANH and ESB. Same goes for Vader. While Vader was likeable and badass in ANH and ESB, he was pretty one dimensional. In ROTJ his character get a lot of depth and becomes very interesting. Even Leia and Han actually get development in ROTJ and are considerably different compared to ANH and ESB. While it might be a development you do not like but it is still a considerable development.

Anyway, I did not say ROTJ is overall the best in terms of character development. I just said that Luke’s and Vader’s character development are individually better than anything seen in ANH or ESB.

Luke doesn’t change much? Seriously? You throw out a pretty part of the story. I think this guy…

You are unable to differentiate between current state of the character due to some external “disturbance” and actual change/development of character. That scene is just Luke still being shocked due to the reveal and due to trauma related to his damn limb being cut off. So what exactly are the actions and dialogue he makes after that scene that indicate any difference (within ESB of course)? In the one scene that is left after that one I do not see any change of character.

I disagree. For one a person who experiences trauma is never the same after such an external “disturbance”. This is the very nature of trauma, and Luke experienced trauma in more ways than just physical injury. He went to Cloud City, believing he might be able to save his friends from the clutches of the man who murdered his father, only to come up one hand short, and discovering that his noble hero father is the ultimate bad guy. A man is, what he believes in, and everything Luke believed, has turned out to be a lie. I would call that a life changing event. The Luke at the end of TESB definitely is no longer the naive young rebel he was at the start of the film. He is now a Jedi in training, who’s life has been turned upside down. The idea that he would just get a new hand, and go on as if nothing has happened (which is what you seem to suggest) is ludricous to me.

Imperialscum - You are beaten. It is useless to resist. Don’t make them destroy you…

😉

Just wondering how this edit was coming along? Pretty interested to check this out.

Also, I came across another fanedit of the first Hobbit movie by Kerr (who made my favourite fanedit of Revenge of the Sith called “Dark Force Rising”), I haven’t watch it yet myself but looks like it did pretty well going off the reviews and getting a fanedit of the month award:

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-arkenstone-edition/

The only thing is he is keeping it as a trilogy where I’d much prefer to see it compressed to two medium to longish length movies as you are doing. Thought I’d post the link here anyway in case you havent seen it and may help with your edit.

.Val

Edit: Hmm, turns out to be quite a few Hobbit fanedits out there, with this one sounding very promising.

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/j-r-r-tolkiens-the-hobbit-maple-films-edit/

Still interested to see how yours turns out for sure though 😉 Have you watched any other fanedits yourself Delorean?

Can’t wait to watch it Hal, I’ve even pre-nominated it as a possible replacement for the theatrical release in my SW movie ranking post 😄

Valheru_84 said:

My ranking:

1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
2. TFA (theatrical, though Hal’s fanedit sounds great)
3. R1 (theatrical)
4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)

.Val

My ranking:

1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
2. TFA (theatrical, though Hal’s fanedit sounds great)
3. R1 (theatrical)
4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)

So to explain my number 1 which is all three OT movies - I grew up with these as a little kid and find that I don’t have a critical view or thought on any of them, seeing them almost as a single body of work that I genuinely love and don’t look to be critical of or try to find fault with (that was until the time of the SEs anyway). I have never looked at one movie as being objectively better than the other nor will I ever as to me it is single story told over 3 movies and it is the story itself that I love as a whole, with the separate movies simply being different chapters / parts if you will with time having obviously passed in between.

The PT will always be on the bottom which makes the only real decision being as to how TFA and R1 ranks in the middle. With some awesome fanedits available I will never watch or list the original PTs ever again and the order of their ranking is really determined by the fanedit itself than the source material.

As to the Clone Wars series and movie, I’ve only ever incidentally seen a few episodes here and there and I’m not interested at all in any SW cartoons anyway or to date any EU.

.Val

Just posted this in Mike O’s thread and thought I’d bring it here for discussion as well:

Valheru_84 said:

Mike O,

Having purchased one of these custom DSE box sets from eBay, do you (or anyone else) know if it gives you any additional options or leverage via eBay to report this as pirated material and get the profiteering piece of shit in proper trouble?

Or does everyone think this would end up putting the spotlight back on us with the material in question being a fan edit that originated from a member here?

.Val

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Legality-fan-edits-and-more-Legality-fan-edits-and-repercussions/id/54551/page/3#1102614

Mike O,

Having purchased one of these custom DSE box sets from eBay, do you (or anyone else) know if it gives you any additional options or leverage via eBay to report this as pirated material and get the profiteering piece of shit in proper trouble?

Or does everyone think this would end up putting the spotlight back on us with the material in question being a fan edit that originated from a member here?

.Val

adywan said:

generalfrevious said:

What good has Kathleen Kennedy done for this franchise? All she did was exploit fans’ nostalgia for the OT, while at the same time doubling down on not releasing them. Common sense should have left SW alone. Bit where are we now? Kennedy has given us a loose remake and a fanservice-heavy spinoff. It’s apparent she’s stifling any creativity by firing directors and keeping on hacks only because they make money. Of the next four films coming up, only TLJ would come close to not being some reference-heavy glorified fan film (I’m not buying into the hype). At least with Lucas you got fascinating failures instead of marvel-lite like today’s Star Wars movies. By the time the Obi-wan movie comes out this franchise will have TEN mediocre installments in it!

Stifling creativity? So far only the Han Solo films directors have been fired and that’s because they were turning the film into something completely different than they were hired to do. None of the other directors were fired. The so called “Gareth Edwards had nothing to do with the reshoots” articles were bull. The proof is there in the final film that he was still there. One of the final scenes to be filmed for the film was the vader attack/ Tantive IV escape. Originally there was no battle, it just escaped as Vader’s stardestroyer obliterated the Mon Calmiari ship. So, if Gareth was replaced, as the articles suggested ( all from a supposed on set report of another director in charge, when it was nothing more than the same thing that happened during star wars when Gary Kurtz ended up directing a lot of the scenes due to time constraints), then how was here the one who pulled the lever to release the Tantive? Also Edwards wanted to kill off all the characters but originally shot the film with a completely different ending where most survived because he never thought that they would allow him to kill them all off. But they did and gave the go ahead for extensive reshoots ( plus because the original tower was not part of the main building and, when viewing the cut, realised that combining the two buildings was a better idea as the final battle was going on way too long).

To say that Kennedy is stifling any creativity is just not true. If that were the case then there is no way she would have given the go ahead for the R1 reshoots. If that were George he would have just said it could be “fixed in editing”. Here’s what Edwards said about the final scene:

““He arrives and obliterates the Calamari ship, and then the blockade runner gets out just in time and he pursues the blockade runner. And then Jabez was like, ‘I think we need to get Darth on that ship,’ and I thought, yeah, that’s a brilliant idea and would love to do it, but there’s no way they’re going to let us do it. It’s a big number and we had, what, like 3 or 4 months before release. Kathy [Kennedy] came in and Jabez thought, f*ck it, and pitched her this idea, and she loved it. Suddenly within a week or two we were at Pinewood shooting that scene.””

If that is stifling creativity then i wish more studio bosses would do it. And if you are accusing her of this just because of the firing of the Han Solo film directors then that is NOT stifling creativity. That is protecting a well known character along with the studios investment. By all accounts they were turning him into a joke. instead of injecting the Star Wars type humour, that was sorely lacking from the prequels, they were turning it into a full blown buddy comedy movie. Or would you have preferred that han Solo be turned into a complete joke? George almost did that with Return of the Jedi.

As for not releasing the OT, then i didn’t know you had seen the sale contact between Lucas and Disney. You haven’t? Oh, well then, how do you know that part of the contract was that they had to agree that they could not alter his films in any way, including reverting them back to their pre SE state? That they had to remain as they are in this final versions? At least until after his death? Truth is, none of us know.

Read as far as Adywan’s response (thought you were on holiday man 😛 ) who absolutely killed it. End of discussion.

My original reply was going to be “Obvious troll post stirring the pot” but after checking their profile, member since 2006 with nearly 2500 posts…I don’t get it?

.Val

nrasool said:

Hey Val,

Really appreciate you actually taking the time on uploading this for a limited time, so other’s may enjoy 😃

Thanks matey!!

You’re most welcome but you should really thank TVs Frink for the arduous task of actually uploading the files 10 at a time, I just left them up and shared them 😉

.Val

Updated OP with the below:

!! NOTICE - All BD files being taken down in 2-3hrs time. Please complete all remaining downloads in this time if possible. If not then I apologise but my MEGA pro lite account expires shortly and it was always part of the sharing conditions that they be taken down at the end. I also want to ensure other personal files still on there remain when the limit drops back to 50GB.

Thank you to all that have contacted me in the courteous and genuine way you have conducted yourselves, I hope these amazing creations by NJVC will bring you as well as your family and friends as much enjoyment as they have for me.

For those that were genuine but unfortunately did not meet the requirements, I’m sure if you persist and keep positively contributing to the community that you will eventually find your way to your own copies or they may even find their way to you 😉

May the force be with you all…always

.Val

WOOHOO!!! Can’t wait! Knowing Ady’s sense of humour though, I was waiting for it to break into decimal places once the count down got to “I”

I.IX
I.IIX
I.VII
I.VI
Etc…

Glad to see I was wrong though 😄

.Val

The only other way around it is to literally make it so easily available freely that everyone would find their way to the free versions rather than thinking they have to pay for it. How you would do that I’m not sure (get sites to do feature articles?) or if it would then get too much attention from Disney and Fox.

Shithouse situation to be sure and it must be so demoralising for the creators of such labors of love 😕

.Val

My answer to this thread:

Never really ever thought about pre-OT Anakin apart from having a vague image in my head from what Obiwan describes which is later married to the imagery of Shaw after the unmasking and his force ghost. It sure as heck was nothing remotely close to what we got, I don’t think anyone ever pictured the Anakin we ended up getting except George himself…

.Val

SparkySywer said:

The fanedit was never finished, and what’s worse is it doesn’t look like OP is still working on it.

That’s a shame to hear, especially when it sounded so close to completion 😕

Any idea what happened?

.Val