Valheru_84

jedimasterobiwan said:

INVAR said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Are you being sincere or messing with me if so please KNOCK IT OFF I JUST WANT A STRAIGHT ANSWER SHEEESH!!

Do you really think you deserve a straight answer?

Tell you what - you will get to find out the answer to that question when you download ESB:Revisted and discover everything for yourself.

Only a little over a month to wait.

I thought he would have gave us an update on that as well that’s all.

If Ady was going to say something on it then he would have or will when he chooses to do so. Constantly hounding him is not going to get you anywhere except a lot of negative replies to give it up already.

You must unlearn what you have learned young padawan and become patient in your quest for more Revisited goodness.

It is obviously coming and literally just around the corner so cool your heels while waiting…

.Val

Darth Id said:

I think this thread is mistitled.
Based on this page, I think it’s supposed to be “Star Wars Shit Pics.”

It’s all in the eye of the beholder mate 😉 (personal preferences and everything)

There are some properly awesome works of SW art in this thread and there are some real doozies as well, I doubt anyone’s choices for each category would line up exactly with each other though.

.Val

Great thread, here’s a few I came across some time back:

By AnthonyFoti - http://anthonyfoti.deviantart.com/gallery/
Probably worth a look into as well - May the 4th be with you article on Deviant Art: http://heidi.deviantart.com/journal/May-the-4th-Celebrating-Star-Wars-Day-676061535

.Val

So not sure if it’s just me but the destroyer in this image I’ve taken from the screen shot comparison looks bigger than the V2 video version. Can you confirm if this is the case NeverarGreat?

http://screenshotcomparison.com/images/1484549031_8295164307.jpg

Either that or the whole shot itself is zoomed slightly from the original? If so, I think it works better than the video as it feels more imposing and threatening while still obviously appearing some distance away yet.

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

JEDIT @ Val:

I noticed the lack of clouds in the second Star Destroyer shot as well, but it’s like that in the original film. I suppose I could add some more clouds to the second shot…it’s something to consider.

As for the R2 scenes, it’s a delicate line between being too obvious and making the audience wonder why nobody noticed the blinking lights and making it too subtle and having people miss it. I opted for subtlety, since people bothered by the conveniences would probably be more observant anyway. My brother suggested a slow zoom in to the panel. That could work.

I also agree with you about the fanedit info, but it’s not a big deal for me either way.

Ah ok, so it’s an inconsistency in the theatrical cut itself? Interesting, can’t say I noticed it before but then I’ve only seen the theatrical once or twice and perusing fan edit WIPs does tend to hone your attention to details such as these 😛 If that’s the case then maybe it’s not worth bothering with especially in regards to Hal’s mission regarding the edit.

I know what you mean regarding R2, along with the sound effects I think it is obvious enough. I think a slow zoom would be far too obvious, might as well place a big arrow pointing to it 😛 Though if it was only a very slight zoom that just “nudges” the viewer’s attention to that place in the image so they can’t help but notice the lights, then it might work…hard to decide without seeing it in action I guess.

I agree the fan edit info is not a huge deal but just something I wanted to mention / ask about.

.Val

Ok, so I’ve just finished reading all the pages in here prior to my first replies before continuing to comment in here (and because it’s all really quite interesting 😉 ). Below are a few comments I’ve made on some of the posts:

Hal 9000 said:

Well, it’ll still be a very focused edit on this particular issue, but there are a few minuscule things I’ll want to do. Nothing major, just things like removing Kylo Ren identifying FN-2187 by name on the bridge…

Just wondering why you felt this needed removing? After the first attack on Jakku, Kylo does look very pointedly at Finn for a few seconds, almost staring and he very well could have been using his force mind delve (whatever you call this new dark side force power) to note the particular storm trooper’s ID since Finn did look a bit odd standing there still amongst all the activity and staring back, so it’s not a great leap to think Kylo has made a similar easy leap to guess this is the storm trooper that helped Finn to escape, he may have even reached out with the force to check for the trooper (he does seem to pause for a second as if reaching out with his force sense before announcing who the trooper is) that he’d noted earlier on Jakku and found he could no longer sense his presence aboard the Star Destroyer and therefore it again is another easy logical leap.

batmatt92 said:

Hello! What a great idea for a fan edit. I quite like TFA as-is, but this really improves the only aspect that I thought was lacking in the finished film - Starkiller Base. I just watched V1 last night and thought it was great. I did have just one suggestion, though. And I think my reasoning for it might be hard to articulate, but I’ll try my best…

So, I think the surface shots of Hosnian Prime as it goes kablooey should be removed. For the hypothetical first-time viewer, the death of HAN FRICKIN’ SOLO is gonna be a pretty big deal, yeah? So as the Starkiller fires, the viewer is still gonna be reeling from that I think. That’s a very personal, human-level tragedy.

Now, I’m totally fine with the Starkiller firing on the Hosnian system right after that. I like the symmetry - Han’s death sort of signaling the turning point where EVERYTHING goes down the crapper. But! It seems to me like those shots on the planet surface were there in the original scene to add a human dimension to the event, like “Look! There’s PEOPLE here! They’re all gonna die! It’s SAD!” And yeah sure, that kinda sorta works in the scene’s original placement. But where it is now, I think the viewer doesn’t have much time to care about a bunch of random folks when they just saw Han Solo die. It’s enough to just see the planets explode from a distance. Han fulfills the human-level tragedy in a way, even though he’s obviously not on any of those planets.

It may sound strange, but he’s much more important to the audience than the billions of faceless, nameless people that die on those planets, ya know? So cutting away to the people on the surface kind of dilutes Han’s death, at least for me. It feels like the movie’s going “Oh yeah, Han Solo died, but also THESE PEOPLE!!!” and it’s too much. Does that make any kind of sense? I’m worried it doesn’t. Anyway, just a thought that I had. I can pretty easily do it for my own version if Hal doesn’t want to.

I thought this was very well articulated and made perfect sense, at least at the time of posting. Whether this would still work or not with the current line up of changes for V2?

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the fallen Empire, plotting it’s return to power.

Failing to convince the NEW REPUBLIC to combat this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE while the First Order completes its devastating new weapon.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

I think your new crawl is awesome but there were a couple of things I thought that might improve it ever so slightly. One is to add “as” before “to Luke’s whereabouts…” and the second is to really clear up that Leia does not know at this stage about the SKB.

Though in clarifying this, it does tend to lessen the impact of “Desperate” in the next paragraph as you think if she doesn’t know about the weapon then why is she suddenly so desperate where it actually makes more sense for her to be desperate if she knows about the weapon…it’s a bit of a catch 22 situation so maybe your current wording still works best here. It doesn’t say she knows about it (though it is slightly still implied even if coming after the blurb about Leia with the NR and Resistance) so it fits with the events later in the movie but it still also lends itself to the urgency in her desperate attempt to find Luke. Anyway, below is the crawl with my two suggestions incorporated, see what you think:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the fallen Empire, plotting it’s return to power.

Failing to convince the NEW REPUBLIC to combat this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE though unaware the First Order are also nearing completion of a devastating new weapon.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered as to Luke’s whereabouts…

Hal 9000 said:

Here are NeverarGreat’s two R2 scenes with proper audio and fully formatted. The only thing missing is a few sound effects for BB8 (head turns and rolling away). Anyone have any isolated FX already I could use?

https://vimeo.com/211322567

https://vimeo.com/211322617

Password: fanedit

These looks amazing, the only suggestion I have is maybe if you could make the “harddrive activity” lights ever so slightly brighter / more obvious? I found it a lot more obvious myself once I full screened the video but wonder whether it’s worth looking at again in the final pass?

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s a version with only the Star Destroyer emerging from the clouds:
https://vimeo.com/199518952
Password: destroyer

I don’t think this is the latest version, though I’m sure what my comments refer to still exists in the latest version and that’s simply that I find the clouds are too different between the two different shots of the destroyer in the sky. The first shot looks great (though I think there’s another version of the video with thicker clouds and the destroyer looking even larger in the screen? - this was my preferred version for this shot) but then in the second shot, the cloud that was partially obscuring the destroyer is now no where to be seen instead of still visible with the destroyer instead showing more of itself as it continues to slide into view.

Not sure if anyone else picked up on this but its something that catches my eye time and again.

I think that’s about it for now anyway 😛 I did have some other posts ready to quote but at this stage I can no longer remember exactly what it was I was going to say in reply anyway.

I do have one request for the edit though Hal whether you’d consider it and that is to move your blurb about it being a fan edit to after the end credits? It just feels like it spoils the atmosphere as you wait for the movie to start and get presented with a wall of text instead that blatantly points out you’re not watching the original where I like to believe that when watching it and present it as such to any family or friends I show it to and then afterwards I explain that it’s a fan edit and credit whoever the author is.

Anyway, V2 is shaping up really nicely and I can’t wait to watch the end result. A big thanks to yourself, all the contributors and the author of that article that started it all. Keep up the great work!

.Val

JEDIT: I don’t think I’ve got the latest crawl quoted above as I didn’t think I changed the end of the 2nd paragraph as much as it appears here. Looking for it now to update above 😉 - I’ve now updated the quoted crawl above as per Sir Ridleys last linked image example http://imgur.com/j2uZxjQ

eiyosus said:

This is an open letter to all ot.com users:

HansiG said:
Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay. /b/

No, actually. Originaltrilogy.com used to be above this sort of thing.

Hell, even though I’m a lurker I now feel like I need to speak up about what’s happened to this place as of late.

As mentioned elsewhere, there has been an influx of new users over the last few months (over the last year? I dunno. I’m not gonna go clicking on everybody’s account to see when they joined) and a large portion of these new users have some questionable attitudes regarding forum behavior.

Although I want to refrain from sounding like some cranky old man (I’m 34, if anybody is wondering), many of these new users allude to being VERY young when watching the prequel films. I had to google “/b/” and that was a reference to 4chan if I’m not mistaken, which further supports my suspicions (and more and more anime references are being used for user names). There is absolutely nothing wrong with liking what you like (that’s a general use of the word “you” which I feel the need to point out due to the fact that a majority of these new users don’t seem to understand certain things about the nuances of the English language), as long as it’s not harming anybody else, but ot.com was largly comprised of older individuals that conducted themselves a certain way over the many years this forum has been operating.

Ot.com was one of the very few places on the internet both I and others could visit with the knowledge that it would be free of, well, of the things it hasn’t really been free of lately. It’s hard to quantify, but something has been very off for a while, and only seems to be getting worse.

If people like the prequels, that’s fine, but I’m not going to hang out at my parents’ vinyl parties and try to tell them how good streaming albums from youtube is and spew juvenile insults when everybody rightly and justifiably has a problem with my attitude. Would you? Would you go to a gathering of something you didn’t like? Again, you can like the prequels, but you have to expect to meet opposition.

There is a way to discuss things in the world. Everybody has different opinions, which is one of the many things that make the world interesting, but almost every thread seems to be derailed into boring arguments lately. I can get that on IMDB. There’s a difference between interesting discussion and backhanded bickering that goes on for post after post, page after page, and thread after thread. Wars not make one great.

Taste is subjective, but myself and others on this site think that the prequels are objectively bad movies on a fundamental film making level. I love the movie Star Crash, but I’m not going to pretend that 90% of humans would find it horrible. Just because a movie has “Star Wars” in the title doesn’t give it a free pass (just the fact that people are DESPERATE to try to edit them into better movies shows the power of the name (just move on, guys! 😛 )). If somebody tells me Star Crash is shit, who am I to argue? Why let it bother me? It IS a shit movie! How in any way does somebody not agreeing with me give me the right to stoop to some of the language I’ve seen here? Again, not wanting to sound like a cranky old man, but respectable people don’t use the word “retard” or the other related insults a lot of teenagers use as an insult. I’m really sorry, but if that’s what you expect from the internet, this isn’t the forum you’re looking for. Move along.

All the heat that Frink is catching lately is just more proof of the point I’m trying to make. Frink is a long time member and contributor, and has a mean sarcastic sense of humor. An asshole? Really? A lot of users seem to be taking him literally as of late, which was never the case before.

Can we talk about the increase use of the word “fuck?” For the longest time, I thought curse words weren’t even ALLOWED here. Now every other post is fuck this, fuck that, fucking awesome, fucking whatever. I love the word “fuck” and use it on other forums, but long ago on a forum far, far away, when somebody on ot.com used “fuck” you knew they were being FUCKING SERIOUS. Hey, you wanna say fuck and shit and all that, go ahead, but if you took a look around the forums, you would have seen that this language wasn’t used often.

If you took a look around, you could have seen the behavior was different, too. Yeah yeah, it’s the internet, but just fucking behave like you would in real life, please.

This place was AMAZING in it’s film geekyness. The recent discussion about the type of camera lenses used on Rogue One is one fine example of the type of talk that once flooded this board. Many users on this forum have an insane level of film knowledge, but you are lowering the forum’s standards and diluting what was a very unique corner of the net.

Again, this is to nobody in particular. If my message insults you, if you get defensive over what I’ve said, if you think I’m attacking you, if you feel the need to explain yourself, then you know that your behavior is less than stellar. How about improving it? It might be fun!

Bravo! Well done and well said. Every time someone excuses someone else’s behaviour by saying “welcome to the Internet” I just sigh in disappointment. It’s not an untrue observation but it also does not mean this perception and behaviour needs to permeate into every online community simply because it is online…

.Val

Awesome news Ady! Congrats on nearing completion and I can’t wait to watch TESB:R come June! 😄

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

I’m not sure how much better I can make this line, so for now this is where it stays:
https://vimeo.com/215060086
Password: ren

Sorry if it’s explained earlier, but what is the point of this change? Just rewatched this part in version 1 of Hal’s restructured TFA (which I’m assuming is unchanged from the original) and it’s not really any different from what you have him saying here in your edit? And if that’s as good as you can get it, sorry to say but I think this needs to be on your cutting room floor 😉

.Val

jedimasterobiwan said:
I don’t like sounding like i’m pushy i don’t like it not one bit. I just want a nugget even if it’s a small nugget a nugget of info that’s all.

Contradiction 101 - Your second sentence above is being pushy after saying you don’t like sounding pushy.

Just take a break, focus on something else in your life for a few weeks and then come back likely (but no guarantees) to a nice surprise without having had the time in between now and then grind by as you continually hit F5…

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

It’s been over a year since the movie came out, so just about everyone’s given their review. All that’s left are the inevitable discursive posts investigating the minutia.

Fair enough, will start from the start of the thread where there are such threads 😉

.Val

NeverarGreat said:

rodneyfaile said:

It’s just so unbelievable in The Empire a Strikes back when Luke makes the lighsaber come to him in the wampa’s cave. I mean, he didn’t see anyone do that and wasn’t trained on it by Obi Wan. I wonder why they decided to make him so overpowered?

1. He was already established as being strong in the Force from ANH, and it had been several years since that. It would be stranger if he hadn’t progressed at all on his own.

2. This was early in the movie, where the filmmakers were re-establishing our leads and giving us an idea about how they had changed. Such a scene is essential character work.

3. The music and cinematography sold the fact that something impressive and magical was going on.

Great points and they all ring so true.

.Val

Thread is starting to get seriously derailed…

Popped into the end of the thread to checkout recent comments on people’s thoughts about TFA and all I’ve been reading about for the past few pages is about whether Rey is a Mary Sue, why the term Mary Sue is sexist, whether Rey is a good role model or not…

I guess its all on topic in a way but I was expecting more “movie review” style posts 😉

.Valheru

Guys if those last two replies are in response to mine, try to understand that I’m new here (to OT.com), I haven’t read all 1352 pages (read the OP and something like the last 2-3 pages) and there are so many sub-plots / sub-conversations going on in here that often I have no perspective on reading a reply other than actually reading it with no context whatsoever.

So if you’re going to laugh and roll your eyes at me, at the very least point out / explain what it is making you do so. Otherwise you might as well be trolls for all the sense it makes to me 😉

.Valheru

darth_ender said:

Spoiler alert: I hear Adywan is making Darth Vader say he is Luke’s father! But we’ll have to wait until ROTJ:R to find out if it’s true.

What do you mean? Did GL remove that from ESB in the SE? I honestly can’t remember at this stage every “wtf?” and facepalm worthy changes he made to the originals…

.Valheru

nightstalkerpoet said:

Vader lit first!

LOL!

So just a quick bit of feedback after literally just watching your edit Hal. It was fantastic how it really improves the entire story and adds a lot more emotional impact to Han’s death and the fight afterwards between Kylo, Rey and Finn.

Strangely enough though I didn’t really seem to care all that much about the Hosnian system republic planets being destroyed as there is no footage or really any reference to them in any meaningful, impactful way earlier in the movie and having turned their back on the resistance it almost feels like a “I told you so” moment and there’s not a lot of sympathy despite the obvious (when you think about it) billions of people all dieing at the same time.

I think I found a slip up on your part, I can’t tell you the exact time stamp as was watching the VOBs via a VLC player playlist but it’s just after Han and the others disable the shields, the resistance has jumped in and start flying down towards the SKB, with the weapon port visible in the shot but not drawing the star in as it charges like it is in every other shot.

I also found the replacement effects at Maz’s temple a little underwhelming / unbelievable in regards to the Tie Fighter and landing craft animation. I think it would work much better just to show the Star Destroyer by itself sliding into view like Sir Ridley posted earlier in this thread. I think this example also had Finn’s audio fixed so he said “they’re here” instead of “they did it” which makes a lot more sense but still needs a tad more polishing to hide the change.

https://youtu.be/TqZeT7FN0c0

But otherwise excellent work and I thoroughly enjoyed your restructured version 😃

.Valheru

Any updates on this? To date the anti cheese edits were my choice for PT edits (well at least for Ep1 as thats all I managed to get but I believe he did Ep2 as well?) and I definitely wouldn’t mind a better quality version of them with the added fixes you mention 😉

.Valheru

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

Mocata said:

rodneyfaile said:

Rey was able to do a mind trick without even seeing it done or being trained regarding it, but she did experience Kylo reading her thoughts, so she isn’t entirely unfamiliar with the idea of manipulating with someone’s mind.

This is the thing that bugs me, and it’s because of the execution - we don’t see her thought process at all. I came to this conclusion as well, but I shouldn’t have to mentally edit the film for them.

This exactly. Most of these Mary Sue accusations are happening not because of misogyny or because people don’t like her character but because there’s one too many conveniences and assumptions made on the part of the writers/director, and the mind trick is the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.

You are missing the point. It’s not the conveniences and assumptions that make it misogyny, it’s the term itself. And I’ve covered why the term is problematic many, many times before, so I’m not going to do it again…but it boils down to the fact that it is applied to women 99.2% of the time, while men get a free pass in the same situation.

I assume you mean that it is applied to female characters instead of male characters.

TV Tropes goes into some detail as to why the term has lost its meaning, but the gist of it is that it was originally intended to describe perfect female avatars of authors writing fanfiction, since at that time many online fanfictions were written by women. The term could also be used for perfect male author avatars (Gary Stu), but this term never saw wide usage since there already existed a term for this character: Action Hero (James Bond, John Matrix) or the (Frink Trigger Warning) anime equivalent (Light Yagami, Kirito). The fact of the matter is that female and male authors tend to have different interests with regards to their wish fulfillment fantasies, so Mary Sue and Gary Stu tend to be easily distinguishable from each other and people don’t generally need a new term when they have one that is sufficient for their purposes.

Additionally, the term was invented for a character on a Star Trek parody fanfic, so the term was inherently unserious, a way of bundling a lot of wish fulfillment impulses together under a single name. Since the original work was a parody, it was written with this intent and was appreciated as such. That is why the James Bond franchise has been so popular, and why Twilight has succeeded - sometimes, wish fulfillment is preferable to believable characters.

However, there has been no Mary Sue or Gary Stu character in the Star Wars films. Even the most powerful character is written believably in the context of the magical universe in which they live. We are given reasons for why Anakin is so powerful, why Yoda can life an X-wing, and why Palpatine is able to rule the galaxy (sort of). We are given no similar reason for why Rey is strong with the Force. We are not told that she was conceived by the Force, like Anakin, nor are we told that she comes from a family of Force users, like Luke. Similarly, every character in the Star Wars films has had to spend years honing their skills in order to even levitate small objects, something which Rey is able to do by the end of the film. It is not because she is female that these skills are a problem, it is because her ability has no precedent nor explanation in the Star Wars universe. Hopefully TLJ addresses this, but it would still be a retcon to this film.

But is Rey a Mary Sue? Like I’ve discussed exhaustively elsewhere, she is not. But she does have elements of wish fulfillment (male or female), such as with the mind trick and lightsaber levitation, among others. This is why I can’t agree with those people who give her a free pass because she’s the first female protagonist in the Star Wars films. Take this comment on the BMD article:

“If Rey is a Mary Sue, what she represents is way fucking more important than that label. The women and girls who get to see Rey on the movie screen and want to be the hero of their own story, that matters more than any amount of nitpicks on the internet.” -Ed

This is the problem, that the only reason people are okay with her being so badly explained as part of the Star Wars universe is because she is wish fulfillment for women and girls. I agree that such representation was necessary, but that doesn’t forgive the problem of making her the female equivalent of the Action Hero. She could easily have been established as Luke’s daughter or Chosen by the Force and these problems would have evaporated on the spot.

Hear hear, great post NeverarGreat.

.Valheru

Octorox said:

So after having seen various official versions of ANH and Ady’s version many times, I just noticed that Vader’s lines “your powers are weak, old man” and “you should not have come back” during the duel are swapped in Revisited. Was there ever a rationale given for this? The original version had a great pregnant pause on obi-wan’s face after Vader says “you should not have come back”, which is an emotional beat that’s kind of lost in the Revisited version.

I know Obi-Wan igniting first has been brought up before (which I’m also in favor of reverting) but I don’t remember this one being talked about.

I also wasn’t sure as to the justification / reasoning for swapping who has their saber on first. Never had an issue with Vader already having his on as he had already felt Obi-wan’s presence and said as much to Tarkin and was literally waiting for Obi-wan to come along so it made sense for his saber to already be on and Obi-wan to then turn his on being the older, calmer and wiser Jedi that really only turned his on right when he actually meant business and had no need to always have it out and flashing it around as such like young people actually learning swordsmanship tend to do.

Anyway, just a little nit-pick from me. I love Ady’s revisited version of ANH but there are a few changes that seem a bit pointless in the grand scheme of things and sometimes almost counter intuitive to the existing plausibility of the already well established suspension of disbelief that has worked since the movie first screened in the 1970s cinemas. I’m guessing one, because Ady has no doubt gone through the footage frame by frame countless times that the issues / changes likely stand out like a sore thumb to him whereas your general viewer (even avid fans) likely would never notice in the course of simply watching the movie. And two, because it is Ady’s version and what changes he feels are necessary which is completely fine and understandable 😉

.Valheru

Wow! After just reading Williams blog that you linked Hal - DO IT and GOD SPEED!! (although I think you have finished this edit? I see it is on fanedit.org)

https://humaniterations.net/2016/03/26/how-to-fix-the-force-awakens/

For such a simple core change to the story, it makes a massive difference to the movie and sounds like it would be an incredible movie to watch in comparison to the theatrical release. While I did enjoy TFA, I already had issues with it even while watching it for the first time and started to elaborate as much as I walked away from the cinema. If this edit is indeed completed, I can’t wait to give it a watch 😃

.Valheru

doubleofive said:
To be fair, I coined the phrase “What The Special Editions Should Have Been”, these are basically Ady’s personal edits that he happens to share with the rest of the world

Well I think you were spot on with that summation. After watching ANH:R, that’s exactly what they feel like - actual special editions of the originals where actual love and care has gone into restoring the original footage up to a current day standard as much as possible, fixing all the little things you wish could have been fixed at the time of actual filming and incorporating graphical effect updates without losing the look and feel of what made the originals so special in the first place. Basically just enhancing what is already there rather than trying to essentially rewrite history to an extent as GL tries to do and in doing so, tramples all over fan’s precious good memories of the OT.

So soldier on Adywan! Like Harmys DSE are the definitive versions for an authentic vanilla OT experience, I believe yours will be the definitive versions for an OT SE experience like never experienced before.

Also, I can’t wait to see what you do with the PT ;D

.Valheru

Will have to give Octorox’s Ep1 a watch natedeug, sounds interesting and maybe “the edit I’m looking for” 😉

The anti-cheese edits do it for me so far but I’m always on the look out for better edits. I don’t think anyone will ever be able to truly 100% “fix” the prequels but they can definitely make them at least watchable or even borderline enjoyable as Kerr’s edit of Ep3 proved to me.

.Valheru

For me it was the anti cheese fan edits of Ep 1 and 2 that did it for me and Kerr’s Ep3 (from memory it’s called “Dark Force Rising”) is BY FAR the best edit for that episode but also any fan edit to date that I’ve seen.

What Kerr accomplished with Ep 3 was jaw dropping and literally had my jaw dropped during the Sidious fight scene and the battle between Obi-wan and Anakin.

I really wish Kerr would do a Ep 1 and 2 edit as I feel they really nailed how I felt the PT should have been made.

I checked out the Hal9000, L8 and Q2 edits and no offence to the editors, but none could hit the spot I was after for the edits. One would make certain changes the others missed or didn’t make but also leave things in I wish were gone or to be done differently and vice versa for the other editor.

In the end for me the anti cheese made the first two enjoyable / tolerable enough and nothing else came close to Kerr’s edit of 3.

Regarding the OT, Harmys de-specialised editions are simply a MUST but another great version to check out is Ady’s version of A New Hope: Revisited (ANH:R). It’s basically his vision for what the OT special editions should have been and after having watched ANH:R the other night, can attest to its excellence. Just what the extent the man has gone to in making the changes is an interesting and awe inspiring experience in itself. He’s just about finished the revisited version of The Empire Strikes back and will be starting straight away on Return Of The Jedi and also his own fan edits of the PT at the same time.

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com

All the best anyway in finding your definitive PT edits, there’s such a wide range out there that (to an extent) you basically can cater to your own personal tastes 😉

• Valheru

So as I understand it, Ady’s revisited editions are basically his idea of what the SEs should have been (& I’m very inclined to agree on pretty much all the changes especially after watching ANH:R) and therefore there wouldn’t be any drastic changes to the story such as killing of Lando. I believe he is simply having everyone on as indicated by a quote of Ady from the “Save Lando” thread posted on the previous page here.

That being said, I am glad to have it confirmed that Lando won’t be making a sudden departure in ROTJ:R. As much as I respect that it’s Ady’s edit, that would be one change to far for me. As long as the end celebration music is replaced with the original music (or at least the current SE music replaced with something more respectful to the OT) and Vader / Ananikan’s force ghost restored to the original actor instead of Hayden that GL shoehorned in there to try and forcibly tie the PT into the OT, I’ll be very happy. One of my most hated changes by GL was when he changed that and changed the music with the extended ending celebration.

.Valheru