Valheru_84

jarbear said:

From that stand point, he was burned with lava. Looking at Vader’s bald head shows the damage removed all his hair. Eyebrows are hair. So to me it would make sense for the removal.

It does make sense if you simply apply the same rule to all facial hair regardless of actual damage to the area. You are right that the top of his head is damaged but his eyebrow area is not, so even if his eyebrows were burnt off due to proximity to the lava, they would grow back.

I know this because of the fact that my cousin once had all his eyebrows burnt off from lighting a bonfire with petrol. He let the fuel sit too long before lighting it, allowing the vapour to gather around the bonfire stack and when he lit it, the vapour exploded and went up in a huge fireball, burning my cousins eyebrows right off. He still has eyebrows today though as they simply grew back 😉

If Vader had sustained the same kind of damage to his eyebrow area so as to stop them growing back, I doubt he would have a face left.

OT.com, the only place you’ll find people debating whether to keep a character’s eyebrows or not LOL! George simply shouldn’t have removed them in the first place, in which case we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

.Val

Mocata said:

The last word was that Sony was trying to buy Fox, not Disney…

I seriously hope you are joking…

ChainsawAsh said:

I’ll actually throw my hat in the “keep the eyebrow removal” ring. It makes more sense given how Anakin ended up in the suit for him to be eyebrow-less.

Though Rebels did depict him with eyebrows, so…

If it’s only there as a tie back to events in the PT then I am completely against it and would rather just see what was always there until GL changed it. IMHO, OT came many years before the PT, therefore the OT should have been the movie to stay the same while the PT needed to mould itself to fit with the long established originals, rather than shoehorning in such changes as removing Shaw’s bloody eyebrows LOL!

.Val

ChainsawAsh said:

Chewie’s Tarzan yell has got to go.

Even though it’s Ady’s edit and likely has his own remove / restore list already on such things, I think it would be fun to make and maintain our own unofficial list of just those really awful parts that GL added or changed in his SEs onwards or even the few that were always there in the theatrical release. I’ll start:

• All of George’s weird, wacky and ridiculous (sorry Frink 😛 ) changes from the SEs onwards.

Done.

He he, but seriously I think it would be great to see the below removed or restored to original in Ady’s edit:

• Jabba’s massively oversized and out of proportion front door (restore to original door)
• Jedi Rocks music, scene and new characters made just for this scene (remove or restore to original scene)
• Salacious B. Crumb / Jabba’s pet (remove or replace with new CGI / better puppet)
• Sarlacc beak and extra tentacles (remove or restore entire Sarlacc to original)
• Han’s line “It’s alright, I can see much better” (restore to original)
• Any overly silly Ewok scenes (remove)
• Chewie’s tarzan yell (remove)
• Vader’s “No” and “NOOooooo” (remove)
• Vader’s eyebrows (restore)
• Hayden’s force ghost head (restore to original)

That’s a start for the obvious ones, I’m sure other people know more that aren’t as major or obvious but are still real single eyebrow raisers.

.Val

J0E said:

At this point, I’m surprised nvjc and Harmy haven’t just removed these entirely.

NJVC did remove his mega links when it first started happening but later allowed myself to do a limited sharing run for consistently legit OT members and then Solkap later on to make them fully available again to anyone.

I’m not sure what changed his mind but I expect he eventually came to the conclusion that the wrong people already had copies of his work and therefore the only way to try and combat it was to make them as easily available as possible.

.Val

MalàStrana said:

Weird way of thinking indeed (but hardly surprising).

Possessed said:

I’m curious to see some screenshots of episode vii looking worse than the prequels.

Many shots and locations look poor/cheap (such as both villages on Jakku, the Resistance Base, the entire ending helicopter shot), but this one is quite terrible:

(and it’s not only one frame, it’s an entire and very long shot which is probably one of the worst ever seen in a SW movie)

But TFA is nevertheless a SW movie and hence has a few good shots (and locations, even if they are basically rehashing things already seen in the other episodes) here and there, but not enough compared to the 7 other movies ('cause R1 at least got it right, sadly even if the story itself is good the characters are boring).

Sorry but my brain does not compute on what you are saying here is a bad frame and shot? How so?

.Val

adywan said:

There are plenty of terms that started out as one thing and were distorted over time to be derogatory towards a certain race or sex. Mary Sue is one of those.

"Mary-Sue
A sexist term used to enforce the misogynistic ideals that female characters/authors shouldn’t be allowed to fantasize or write anything along the lines of wish fulfillment. Its misogynistic qualities are exemplified in many ways, most notably being the fact that it’s not a term dominated by the male counterpart despite existing in a patriarchal society, as well as the fact that the male counterpart is largely undecided upon in name and also undefined (see urban dictionary’s Gary Stu entry which has no definition but to say “A Male Mary Sue”, and the Marty-Stu entry which involves the “Mary Sue” definition to define it).

It’s usually used on the whole to bully new authors out of writing female characters altogether, making the task seem so daunting to some that they now only write slash fictions with two male characters, also exemplifying the misogynistic qualities this term involves."

Do you have a link for that quoted text Ady?

Edit: Nevermind, just saw Wook’s post above.

oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

AHandofJacks said:

Are these the DVD cover arts you’re looking for EyeShotFirst? http://imgur.com/a/qF5Kc

Thanks for reposting these, they’re great covers and I’ll happily put BDs into DVD covers to use them 😃

.Val

Tyler0013’s 1992-based boxset may also be worth a look / of interest mate - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Tyler0013s-Boxset/id/55421/page/1

Thanks though I think I’ve already got a copy of these, at least an earlier version. I’ve been searching this subforum for a while now to try and find my personal favourites for a DSE custom boxset. It’s so hard though as there are so many amazing options to pick from, I almost can’t choose!

.Val

AHandofJacks said:

Are these the DVD cover arts you’re looking for EyeShotFirst? http://imgur.com/a/qF5Kc

Thanks for reposting these, they’re great covers and I’ll happily put BDs into DVD covers to use them 😃

.Val

doubleofive said:

ray_afraid said:

Tantive3+1 said:

I’d like to ask about…

No, it’s ROTJ that only has three. The others have four and I’m hoping he’ll add one to ROTJ.
(that’s probably not what you meant, but.)

Dots at the end of the crawl

Really? Wow, that’s gotta be the sign of a serious fan editor or someone that has watched the movies more times than is healthy…or simply has a mind for noticing such minute, micro things during the main viewing experience 😉

But yeah, Ady you gotta fix that shit! Now that I know I’m going to twitch every time I see it! 😛

.Val

adywan said:
…yet was able to expertly shoot out the door controls from the other side of the hangar bay with one shot?

I just realised something when you mentioned the above which at least for this scene, explains somewhat why Storm Troopers are such bad shots. As you say, Luke one shots the door controls as well as taking out 2 or 3 Storm Troopers all the while they can’t hit the side of a barn. You’ll notice a difference though in the way each are firing their weapons - Luke actually aims his gun by bringing it up in front of his face. I wouldn’t say he is using the scope but he could very well be said to be iron / barrel sighting it to an extent which would account for much greater accuracy whereas all the Storm Troopers in this scene are firing from the hip and it’s in a surprised and panicked state as they are caught off guard and attacked, quickly loosing multiple fellow troopers.

Obviously the combat scenario and mental state of these particular Storm Troopers doesn’t extend to others throughout the movies but the hip firing does as it’s not very often at all that you see any of them taking a proper aim.

Anyway, just a random thought I had while reading your post 😉

.Val

EyeShotFirst said:

I made a 92 set a few years ago, but lost them after a hard drive failure. They were on photobucket, but were removed after photobucket turned into a shit site.

Maybe somebody still has them. I spent many sleepless nights replicating the collages on the backs.

I reckon these would look absolutely stunning made into a matte digipack hard cover style case that fitted into a similar matte custom boxset. I think I might make that my mission for my first self made custom boxset 😄

.Val

Could someone please enlighten me to this 3 vs 4 thing? It’s either not obvious enough or I’m not as avid a SW fan as you guys are ;P

.Val

ChainsawAsh said:

They’re little red kiosks at supermarkets or drugstores where you can rent a movie or game for a couple bucks a day (it charges your card every day until you return it). They’re usually pretty convenient and carry Blu-Rays, too.

Ah k, yeah I’ve seen similar machines here in Australia outside of Woolworths supermarkets for DVDs / Blurays but not for video games.

MaximRecoil said:

• Rey immediately is an (untrained) formidable marks man hitting everything at a great distance while…

It’s “markswoman” you sexist misognyst!

😛 (kidding)

But no, Rey is not a Mary Sue. There are some definite convenient coincidences and plot holes when measured against the OT lore but they are plainly just lazy plot devices or writing.

I’m not sure where the sexist and misognyst claims about using the Mary Sue descriptor come from on this site though as it’s the first place I’ve encountered such comments about it. I don’t link any particular gender with it when I see it used (despite the obviously female name due to I believe the term’s origins) except for the gender of the person it is being referred to by. It’s simply a term describing the way a character is written into a story.

You could use the Gary Stu term for a male if you wanted to be more politically correct but the original term has long been gender nonspecific and therefore should be used without fear of offending anyone anyway. As long as it is being used in the spirit and sense of the term’s meaning I’m not ever going to be offended by it’s use in constructive debate. If I were to detect that it is being used with inappropriate intent though to be purposefully sexist or offensive then I would object and reprimand the abuser.

The matter simply strikes me as another example of misplaced and overzealous feminism where you can’t say a female character is a Mary Sue simply because they both originate from the female gender. It’s like you can’t say an orange is orange and instead must instead say it yellow with purple polka dots to avoid offending everyone, even though you would just as soon say a mandarin is orange as well…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment. They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience. Sometimes, the name is reserved only for women, but more often the name is used for both sexes.

I do understand it can be an easy throw away statement for some people when debating an issue that clearly doesn’t fit the picture, but I would just respectfully state that you disagree and move on as we’ve all seen how debates devolve into petty arguments when going back on forth on whether someone qualifies as a Mary Sue or arguing the merits of using such a term as we are seeing here.

.Val

TV’s Frink said:

Don’t worry, it’s one post closer now! :p

😉

Wearing “thongs” (plural) are footwear that stays attached to your foot via a “thong” between your toes. We call them “thongs” in Australia and I believe Americans call them “flip-flops”, just like many other things have different names in different countries for the same thing.

Wearing a “thong” (singular) is a piece of underwear that incorporates a “thong” that goes between your butt cheeks and this element is used as the article name to clearly differentiate between it and normal “underwear” since the thong is the differentiating factor. Technically you could wear more than one in which case you could say you were wearing “thongs” but I would imagine this to be rare if not nonexistent and therefor is not related to the word “thongs”.

Sandals don’t use a thong to attach to your foot, instead just having a big loop or an ankle strap as well to properly secure it to your foot. Some sandals can also employ a thong but along with the other elements that make it a sandal. If all it has is the thong, then it is a thong and not a sandal.

Ok, hopefully that clears it up for all OT members 😉

TV’s Frink said:

The prequels are definitely that bad, but are they as bad as this thread? Discuss.

Yeah, definitely still much worse than this thread (at this stage).

.Val

ChainsawAsh said:

No, I tried to rent a PS4 copy from a Redbox kiosk and got a piece of paper in the case with a scan of the disc printed onto it.

I will never purchase this game, unless I get it used for like $10. EA is getting no money from me for it - I justified Redbox since a $3 rental can’t get them more than a buck or two and I wouldn’t be spending any money on microtransactions.

Ah, fair enough. I didn’t know what Redbox was sorry 😉

.Val

ChainsawAsh said:

I tried to Redbox it for the campaign after hearing how short it was. I got a piece of paper with a Xerox of the disc printed on it. Couldn’t find a way to report it stolen, so I reported it as an unplayable disc, put the piece of paper back in the sleeve and returned it to the kiosk, and…got a credit for a free rental rather than a refund.

If they try to blame and charge me for the stolen disc I’m gonna be fucking pissed.

Sorry I don’t quite understand. Are you saying your disc was missing in the physical copy of the game you bought?

I would think there’d be a way to still install it through the Origin app anyway after registering the key or something, the game is a 60GB download so I would expect you to have to download most of it anyway unless it comes on a 50GB BD (highly doubtful)?

.Val

Well I can definitely say now, don’t buy the game simply for its single player campaign. The story was mildly interesting with very scripted, simple and easy combat. I completed the campaign in 4 hours, the first 2 on medium difficulty and then the last 2 on high (there’s only 3 difficulty levels) to try and make it somewhat a challenge and slow my progress down a bit. I still breezed through it nonetheless on the hardest difficulty setting.

The cutscenes look amazing thanks to stunning visuals that look and sound perfectly Star Wars but everything else always left me a bit wanting.

So now I’ve got to try and get my remaining money’s worth out of multiplayer which I wasn’t all that interested in anyway but will still just have some fun gaming with some mates that also have the game.

Unless they switch the next release back to singleplayer being the focus though with multiplayer an extra feature, I won’t be buying it. It’s just not worth a AAA game price for 3-4 hours of story gameplay.

.Val

oojason said:

HerekittykittyX said:

They are back at again https://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Despecialized-Edition-3-Blu-Ray-Set-SEALED-BRAND-NEW/162760838011?hash=item25e54d4b7b:g:FvoAAOSwIFtZ~TN1

No longer available - seems someone must have reported them.

Should be interesting to see how long it is before it re-appears back on ebay for sale again…

When I go to that link it’s still there but listed as “Sold”? 😕

.Val

haraldo23 said:

Loving all the amazing drawings so far and the Mad Max Rebo is awesome!

I did find the Lando one a little odd though in that I didn’t realise until a 3rd or 4th looking that it is his cape billowing behind / beside him, initially I thought it was a really odd depiction of his shadow on some weird background surface. Maybe if you had the wisps of fog at his feet getting blown in the same direction it would better communicate the direction of the wind and therefore the deduction that it’s his cape getting blown in that direction.

.Val

snooker said:

Supposedly EA has removed the ability to purchase in game currency with real-world money.

https://www.ea.com/games/starwars/battlefront/battlefront-2/news/pre-launch-update

Oskar Gabrielson, General Manager at DICE
said:

As we approach the worldwide launch, it’s clear that many of you feel there are still challenges in the design. We’ve heard the concerns about potentially giving players unfair advantages. And we’ve heard that this is overshadowing an otherwise great game.
This was never our intention. Sorry we didn’t get this right.
We hear you loud and clear, so we’re turning off all in-game purchases. We will now spend more time listening, adjusting, balancing, and tuning. This means that the option to purchase crystals in the game is now offline, and all progression will be earned through gameplay. The ability to purchase crystals in-game will become available at a later date, only after we’ve made changes to the game. We’ll share more details as we work through this.

Can’t say they aren’t listening and acting on the overwhelming feedback, they do get a few kudos for that…like maybe 1 or 2 😛

.Val

I haven’t read the whole thread yet or looked into the matter in much detail, but my understanding on the uproar is that it would take 40 hours of grinding in multiplayer to unlock each “hero” and there are 14 heroes, so you’re looking at needing to invest hundreds of hours to unlock characters (560 to unlock them all) behind a paywall that you might only end up playing some of them a few times as the match allows you to play these characters based on certain conditions and success within the match.

It’s an obvious ploy to push people to simply spend money instead to unlock them rather than invest so much time which many people don’t have to invest in gaming let alone one game by itself. This is after the fact of having already bought the game at AAA price ($90 in Australia for the standard addition) so it’s a pretty bitter pill to swallow.

It also makes it plain as day that the game is ‘pay 2 win’ by being able to essentilly buy these characters which give huge advantages over your regular troop character you play as when not a hero. This is a HUGE no-no in online competitive gaming and a really stupid move by EA who have apparently responded to the backlash by lowering the time needed to unlock these heroes to 10% of what it originally was, making them much more accessible to the casual gamer that spent good money to have some fun playing in the SW universe.

Myself, I never bought the first game (multiplayer only) but I was blown away by the graphical fidelity and simply how exact they got the look and sound of Star Wars right. I said to myself that if they ever make a single player game with what they have created in Battlefront 1 then I would buy it just for that - which is exactly what I’ve done and am really looking forward to playing the single player story when the game releases tomorrow.

As for the multiplayer aspect, I don’t really care about it as I’ve moved on from the battlefield type games but it’s a nice bonus if I want to play against some mates or just have a bit of random fun in the SW universe and I am glad that EA have reduced the hero unlock times as I am exactly the person that would never have time to dedicate 40hrs of online play for even just one hero, let alone the rest and I sure as hell ain’t paying them anymore money than the full AAA game price I’ve already paid.

.Val

My guess - you’ll see them in the background at Mos Eisley as Han and Chewie head towards the Catina right at the end of the movie, directly tieing the movie into ANH just like RO did.

.Val