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#1070486
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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So just a quick bit of feedback after literally just watching your edit Hal. It was fantastic how it really improves the entire story and adds a lot more emotional impact to Han’s death and the fight afterwards between Kylo, Rey and Finn.

Strangely enough though I didn’t really seem to care all that much about the Hosnian system republic planets being destroyed as there is no footage or really any reference to them in any meaningful, impactful way earlier in the movie and having turned their back on the resistance it almost feels like a “I told you so” moment and there’s not a lot of sympathy despite the obvious (when you think about it) billions of people all dieing at the same time.

I think I found a slip up on your part, I can’t tell you the exact time stamp as was watching the VOBs via a VLC player playlist but it’s just after Han and the others disable the shields, the resistance has jumped in and start flying down towards the SKB, with the weapon port visible in the shot but not drawing the star in as it charges like it is in every other shot.

I also found the replacement effects at Maz’s temple a little underwhelming / unbelievable in regards to the Tie Fighter and landing craft animation. I think it would work much better just to show the Star Destroyer by itself sliding into view like Sir Ridley posted earlier in this thread. I think this example also had Finn’s audio fixed so he said “they’re here” instead of “they did it” which makes a lot more sense but still needs a tad more polishing to hide the change.

https://youtu.be/TqZeT7FN0c0

But otherwise excellent work and I thoroughly enjoyed your restructured version 😃

.Valheru

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#1070477
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The TRUE Anti-Cheese Edits - This time in 5.1 Surround Sound, true 1080p, and a white colored (optional) .srt file!
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Any updates on this? To date the anti cheese edits were my choice for PT edits (well at least for Ep1 as thats all I managed to get but I believe he did Ep2 as well?) and I definitely wouldn’t mind a better quality version of them with the added fixes you mention 😉

.Valheru

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#1070439
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

Mocata said:

rodneyfaile said:

Rey was able to do a mind trick without even seeing it done or being trained regarding it, but she did experience Kylo reading her thoughts, so she isn’t entirely unfamiliar with the idea of manipulating with someone’s mind.

This is the thing that bugs me, and it’s because of the execution - we don’t see her thought process at all. I came to this conclusion as well, but I shouldn’t have to mentally edit the film for them.

This exactly. Most of these Mary Sue accusations are happening not because of misogyny or because people don’t like her character but because there’s one too many conveniences and assumptions made on the part of the writers/director, and the mind trick is the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.

You are missing the point. It’s not the conveniences and assumptions that make it misogyny, it’s the term itself. And I’ve covered why the term is problematic many, many times before, so I’m not going to do it again…but it boils down to the fact that it is applied to women 99.2% of the time, while men get a free pass in the same situation.

I assume you mean that it is applied to female characters instead of male characters.

TV Tropes goes into some detail as to why the term has lost its meaning, but the gist of it is that it was originally intended to describe perfect female avatars of authors writing fanfiction, since at that time many online fanfictions were written by women. The term could also be used for perfect male author avatars (Gary Stu), but this term never saw wide usage since there already existed a term for this character: Action Hero (James Bond, John Matrix) or the (Frink Trigger Warning) anime equivalent (Light Yagami, Kirito). The fact of the matter is that female and male authors tend to have different interests with regards to their wish fulfillment fantasies, so Mary Sue and Gary Stu tend to be easily distinguishable from each other and people don’t generally need a new term when they have one that is sufficient for their purposes.

Additionally, the term was invented for a character on a Star Trek parody fanfic, so the term was inherently unserious, a way of bundling a lot of wish fulfillment impulses together under a single name. Since the original work was a parody, it was written with this intent and was appreciated as such. That is why the James Bond franchise has been so popular, and why Twilight has succeeded - sometimes, wish fulfillment is preferable to believable characters.

However, there has been no Mary Sue or Gary Stu character in the Star Wars films. Even the most powerful character is written believably in the context of the magical universe in which they live. We are given reasons for why Anakin is so powerful, why Yoda can life an X-wing, and why Palpatine is able to rule the galaxy (sort of). We are given no similar reason for why Rey is strong with the Force. We are not told that she was conceived by the Force, like Anakin, nor are we told that she comes from a family of Force users, like Luke. Similarly, every character in the Star Wars films has had to spend years honing their skills in order to even levitate small objects, something which Rey is able to do by the end of the film. It is not because she is female that these skills are a problem, it is because her ability has no precedent nor explanation in the Star Wars universe. Hopefully TLJ addresses this, but it would still be a retcon to this film.

But is Rey a Mary Sue? Like I’ve discussed exhaustively elsewhere, she is not. But she does have elements of wish fulfillment (male or female), such as with the mind trick and lightsaber levitation, among others. This is why I can’t agree with those people who give her a free pass because she’s the first female protagonist in the Star Wars films. Take this comment on the BMD article:

“If Rey is a Mary Sue, what she represents is way fucking more important than that label. The women and girls who get to see Rey on the movie screen and want to be the hero of their own story, that matters more than any amount of nitpicks on the internet.” -Ed

This is the problem, that the only reason people are okay with her being so badly explained as part of the Star Wars universe is because she is wish fulfillment for women and girls. I agree that such representation was necessary, but that doesn’t forgive the problem of making her the female equivalent of the Action Hero. She could easily have been established as Luke’s daughter or Chosen by the Force and these problems would have evaporated on the spot.

Hear hear, great post NeverarGreat.

.Valheru

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#1070432
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Octorox said:

So after having seen various official versions of ANH and Ady’s version many times, I just noticed that Vader’s lines “your powers are weak, old man” and “you should not have come back” during the duel are swapped in Revisited. Was there ever a rationale given for this? The original version had a great pregnant pause on obi-wan’s face after Vader says “you should not have come back”, which is an emotional beat that’s kind of lost in the Revisited version.

I know Obi-Wan igniting first has been brought up before (which I’m also in favor of reverting) but I don’t remember this one being talked about.

I also wasn’t sure as to the justification / reasoning for swapping who has their saber on first. Never had an issue with Vader already having his on as he had already felt Obi-wan’s presence and said as much to Tarkin and was literally waiting for Obi-wan to come along so it made sense for his saber to already be on and Obi-wan to then turn his on being the older, calmer and wiser Jedi that really only turned his on right when he actually meant business and had no need to always have it out and flashing it around as such like young people actually learning swordsmanship tend to do.

Anyway, just a little nit-pick from me. I love Ady’s revisited version of ANH but there are a few changes that seem a bit pointless in the grand scheme of things and sometimes almost counter intuitive to the existing plausibility of the already well established suspension of disbelief that has worked since the movie first screened in the 1970s cinemas. I’m guessing one, because Ady has no doubt gone through the footage frame by frame countless times that the issues / changes likely stand out like a sore thumb to him whereas your general viewer (even avid fans) likely would never notice in the course of simply watching the movie. And two, because it is Ady’s version and what changes he feels are necessary which is completely fine and understandable 😉

.Valheru

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#1070421
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Wow! After just reading Williams blog that you linked Hal - DO IT and GOD SPEED!! (although I think you have finished this edit? I see it is on fanedit.org)

https://humaniterations.net/2016/03/26/how-to-fix-the-force-awakens/

For such a simple core change to the story, it makes a massive difference to the movie and sounds like it would be an incredible movie to watch in comparison to the theatrical release. While I did enjoy TFA, I already had issues with it even while watching it for the first time and started to elaborate as much as I walked away from the cinema. If this edit is indeed completed, I can’t wait to give it a watch 😃

.Valheru

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#1070300
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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doubleofive said:
To be fair, I coined the phrase “What The Special Editions Should Have Been”, these are basically Ady’s personal edits that he happens to share with the rest of the world

Well I think you were spot on with that summation. After watching ANH:R, that’s exactly what they feel like - actual special editions of the originals where actual love and care has gone into restoring the original footage up to a current day standard as much as possible, fixing all the little things you wish could have been fixed at the time of actual filming and incorporating graphical effect updates without losing the look and feel of what made the originals so special in the first place. Basically just enhancing what is already there rather than trying to essentially rewrite history to an extent as GL tries to do and in doing so, tramples all over fan’s precious good memories of the OT.

So soldier on Adywan! Like Harmys DSE are the definitive versions for an authentic vanilla OT experience, I believe yours will be the definitive versions for an OT SE experience like never experienced before.

Also, I can’t wait to see what you do with the PT ;D

.Valheru

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#1070284
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The go to definitive prequel cuts?
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Will have to give Octorox’s Ep1 a watch natedeug, sounds interesting and maybe “the edit I’m looking for” 😉

The anti-cheese edits do it for me so far but I’m always on the look out for better edits. I don’t think anyone will ever be able to truly 100% “fix” the prequels but they can definitely make them at least watchable or even borderline enjoyable as Kerr’s edit of Ep3 proved to me.

.Valheru

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#1070027
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The go to definitive prequel cuts?
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For me it was the anti cheese fan edits of Ep 1 and 2 that did it for me and Kerr’s Ep3 (from memory it’s called “Dark Force Rising”) is BY FAR the best edit for that episode but also any fan edit to date that I’ve seen.

What Kerr accomplished with Ep 3 was jaw dropping and literally had my jaw dropped during the Sidious fight scene and the battle between Obi-wan and Anakin.

I really wish Kerr would do a Ep 1 and 2 edit as I feel they really nailed how I felt the PT should have been made.

I checked out the Hal9000, L8 and Q2 edits and no offence to the editors, but none could hit the spot I was after for the edits. One would make certain changes the others missed or didn’t make but also leave things in I wish were gone or to be done differently and vice versa for the other editor.

In the end for me the anti cheese made the first two enjoyable / tolerable enough and nothing else came close to Kerr’s edit of 3.

Regarding the OT, Harmys de-specialised editions are simply a MUST but another great version to check out is Ady’s version of A New Hope: Revisited (ANH:R). It’s basically his vision for what the OT special editions should have been and after having watched ANH:R the other night, can attest to its excellence. Just what the extent the man has gone to in making the changes is an interesting and awe inspiring experience in itself. He’s just about finished the revisited version of The Empire Strikes back and will be starting straight away on Return Of The Jedi and also his own fan edits of the PT at the same time.

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com

All the best anyway in finding your definitive PT edits, there’s such a wide range out there that (to an extent) you basically can cater to your own personal tastes 😉

  • Valheru
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#1070023
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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So as I understand it, Ady’s revisited editions are basically his idea of what the SEs should have been (& I’m very inclined to agree on pretty much all the changes especially after watching ANH:R) and therefore there wouldn’t be any drastic changes to the story such as killing of Lando. I believe he is simply having everyone on as indicated by a quote of Ady from the “Save Lando” thread posted on the previous page here.

That being said, I am glad to have it confirmed that Lando won’t be making a sudden departure in ROTJ:R. As much as I respect that it’s Ady’s edit, that would be one change to far for me. As long as the end celebration music is replaced with the original music (or at least the current SE music replaced with something more respectful to the OT) and Vader / Ananikan’s force ghost restored to the original actor instead of Hayden that GL shoehorned in there to try and forcibly tie the PT into the OT, I’ll be very happy. One of my most hated changes by GL was when he changed that and changed the music with the extended ending celebration.

.Valheru