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#1149686
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Frank your Majesty said:

It has been posted before, but it seems it needs to be posted again:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

You may want to open the audience reviews and read through a few pages. I just went back over 30 pages to try and see if my rating actually went through (gave up on page 36) and I can tell you now, nearly all the 1/2 star and “not interested” negative reviews have at least one paragraph if not more on why they dislike the movie, with some going to great length and detail. You can tell just by looking at them that they are not bot produced reviews.

If anything, its many (hardly all as I expect this comment to be taken as) positive comments that appear as the most likely culprits to a bot attack with many being just one liners like “great movie!”, “this is the best movie ever!”, etc followed by 5 stars. Off course I’m sure many of them are legit and we know that people are more inclined to make more noise when they are upset over something than when they like it. That’s the exact point though - many people don’t like the movie and they’re making their voice heard. I’m not trying to elude that it’s a majority or use it to sway people’s opinions. Just stop trying to muffle our voices, we have as much right to talk about our views on the movie as the rest of you that like it.

There also very well could be some truth to the bot conspiracy but go read a few pages for yourself where the majority are well thought out or at least heavily detailed negative comments and you can make up your own mind.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/amp/

.Val

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#1149679
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DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

DrDre said:
Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

I think your powers of being able to engage in a civil discussion without acting rude and immature are pretty weak.

Says the one that admits to being snarky whenever they reply.

This:

“I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak.”

is not “being snarky.”

It’s just straight up hostile and nasty.

No I was calling you a hypocrite.

And my response to Joe was not hostile nor nasty. It was a dose of the medicine he’d just given Dre. If he can give it then he can take it as well. I thought Dre made a valiant and fair point, Joe simply tried to shut him down and outright dismiss his opinion which I shared so Joe might as well have directed it at me as well.

Yeah, in hindsight I could have approached it differently. So could have you who replicated the behaviour you were taking issue with? Hmm…

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#1149481
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DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

DrDre said:
Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

I think your powers of being able to engage in a civil discussion without acting rude and immature are pretty weak.

Says the one that admits to being snarky whenever they reply.

I’m happy to maintain a civil discussion while it remains civil. I’m also not afraid to give back what I receive though if I think they’ve overstepped one to many times.

In this case it was not directed at me but I felt Joefavs’s reply was pretty disingenuous in the face of what DrDre’s post was actually saying and wanted to point this out. He’s free to correct himself if he wants.

.Val

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#1149453
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joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

DrDre said:
Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

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#1149119
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TV’s Frink said:

Val, if you really want to engage me in a serious discussion, I suggest you leave loaded political terms like “SJW” at the front door.

I’m not looking to engage you in serious discussion if you’re not. The least you can do though if replying to me is not misrepresent what I’m saying. Interesting side step on still not owning up to a simple mistake of which “SJW” had nothing to do with.

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#1149090
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SilverWook said:

I think you’re misconstruing my attempts to inject some much needed levity into this thread.

However…
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luuke_Skywalker

Ah k, sorry. I just didn’t realise what you were doing in what has become a serious conversation for myself. Much like tonaly different humour doesn’t fit well with the seriousness of what is happening in TLJ. I simply mistook your post to be saying something else when thinking it a serious post.

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#1149084
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SilverWook said:

Wouldn’t it be a shocker if that was Luke’s clone on that island? I think Mark is sending us a secret message with this Jake Skywalker stuff. 😛

What? That’s a stretch and a half Wook. Watch the interview where he says this and his genuine incredulity about how is he going to portray this character that carries the name Luke Skywalker but that isn’t recognisable to him in the slightest? His only answer: pretend it’s a different character.

I feel this sort of trying to justify such events so it doesn’t conflict with your view on the issue is becoming more rife throughout this thread. The amount of times I’ve seen people trying to re-explain and retcon parts of the OT so that it fits with their argument about why something in TLJ or the ST in general makes sense is saddening to see. Much like people trying to correct things in the OT to resolve issues within the PT. Such will never work as the OT is the source of the original story, characters and canon. It is the backbone upon which the entire saga, franchise and fandom is built, undermine it and you undermine all those elements that derive from this seed that grew the Star Wars tree.

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#1149083
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DominicCobb said:

I don’t think he’s changed his tune at all since making the film, that’s the point. He was just being honest about his initial reservations with the script, and people on the internet (not understanding nuance, as usual) have misconstrued that into him hating the film and Rian Johnson too.

I don’t think he hates the film, he was deeply conflicted and troubled with what they’d done to his character. Having had it explained to him and then seeing it, he understands how it was required for the story. This doesn’t mean though that he doesn’t still “fundamentally disagree” with what was done with his character. But the movie is made and it’s out, he has to move on and still get along with his colleagues and the studio. He accepts what has come to pass and chooses to move on rather than fight a pointless battle. Such as will I when I tire of discussing the controversy that is TLJ.

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#1149077
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DominicCobb said:

Hamill on twitter

I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/945784443964309505?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^3

Though of course he was forced by Disney to say this!

So he’s changed his tune and stance on the whole matter. Good for him if that helps him deal with having to play “Jake Skywalker” instead of Luke. I sympathised with and agreed very heavily on his initial comments and reaction post viewing and that’s what will stay with me because of the emotional impact it made on me after reeling from watching TLJ myself.

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#1149076
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DrDre said:

As I stated before I think TLJ is enjoyable as a stand alone film. It has some good scenes, but in my view it’s not really forging it’s own path. For all the shocks and twists it is content to rehash the Empire versus rebels dynamic, as if stuck in a time loop. Meanwhile we get alternate reality versions of the battle of Hoth, the Dagobah training sequence, and the throne room sequence. In many ways it’s a mishmash of the OT with a new coat of paint. However for me the most difficult aspect of the film is how it seems to actively attempt to diminish the characters, and themes of the Lucas era Star Wars, in order to further it’s own far more cynical agenda.

A good summation of some of my own feelings. I think set in a different franchise or simply not associated with SW I could have enjoyed the movie but as Episode 8 it is a disaster.

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#1149072
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TV’s Frink said:

Valheru_84 said:

but not before taking a shit on everything that came before it

Lol, the bad movie really hurt you didn’t it?

I just don’t understand why it bothers some of you guys so much. No one has to like this movie, but no one should take it so seriously either.

Maybe because we haven’t had the chance for a good SW movie again until TFA which wasn’t great but was good enough to create expectations of a great movie in TLJ which for me was the complete opposite? TLJs core motive it to subvert expectations which is exactly what it did for me. My expectations were positive and I get a very negative experience. So I’m rightly pissed and expressing my feelings about it. Much like people who loved it are expressing their feelings about it.

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#1149067
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TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes do not prove anything.

Just like selectively edited videos do not prove anything.

At this stage I feel like you just don’t want them to prove anything. How can 10s of thousands of people liking videos that talk about disliking TLJ not mean that these same people also dislike the movie? It’s like saying the 67,000 people that have signed that petition doesn’t prove that 67,000 people dislike the movie? At this point it just feels like you simply don’t want to acknowledge that there is a large amount of genuine negativity towards the movie.

All I was initially trying to say is that I’ve seen enough signs everywhere to indicate there is a significant percentage of the audience that didn’t like the movie. With YouTube I was able to actually provide some numbers so it was the example I used. If you want to ignore that and live in a world where you think it’s just a few haters brewing up all this controversy then so be it.

You still haven’t directly answered my original post either that you wrongly attributed to me trying to somehow say this proved the movie was bad? And now that I’ve directly confronted you on the matter I get the feeling you’re going to start attacking me rather than just admitting you posted wrongly and moving on.

I get it that you liked the movie, that’s fine though I don’t understand how you do, much like you dont understand how I would place TLJ below the prequels. I’m not trying to change your mind on the movie, instead just pointing out not to discredit the fact there are many that dislike the movie and that there is evidence out there to support this if you are willing to see it.

.Val

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#1149061
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adywan said:

Valheru_84 said:
Sorry Jason but I’m not buying his diplomatic talk over everything else he has already said about the matter on top of his reaction after his first viewing speaking volumes about his feelings on the matter. I think he’s dying to say what he really thinks about the whole matter but at the same time doesn’t want to jeopardise his role in IX by pissing off Disney.

This video pulls some of those comments together along with his post viewing reaction, though I wish it didn’t have the bleeding heart violin music over the top of it all.

https://youtu.be/UpWwp-oh4YA

.Val

Nothing more than another one of the same old videos that edit the interviews in an attempt to prove Mark hated it. Why don’t they just show the whole interviews? Oh yeh, that’s right, because it would go against what they are trying to prove.

Yes I’ve seen many such videos myself and closed them as a result. I understood that this video does that and knew I would get such a response upon posting it. I only posted it still as a summary of some of those comments that also included his reaction which there is no other version of that gives it a different skew. Ive seen many of those full interviews though and generally Mark just follows up with diplomatic comments. He apparently expressed many of his ideas about Luke to JJ who promptly ignored him, so by the time TLJ came around I think he was already resigned to the fact that Disney were going to do as they wanted with his character. This didn’t stop him from being shocked about what they’d written for Luke though and he tries to express his opinion in a way that still leaves him with a job. You can see in one interview Kathleen literally pull him up short in an attempt to enact some damage control over the picture Mark was painting at the time.

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#1149054
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Mithrandir said:

Perhaps it’s time to start a new thread, but I’d say this:

No matter how inwards you look, you still live in the company of people. And that people organise one way or other. Having a mass of people all looking inwards, doing their own and not looking to the sides it’s just another way of organising and perhaps an even more toxic one.

It’s back to natural state. A band of hunters and collectors. Nomads. A cannibalistic society with no apparent structure, but an invisible one. Because we can’t forget this is a product made by a company with funding purposes, not precisely a hippie cultural product.

About the ST: There’s no moral struggle. If Episode IX redeems Kylo as head of the First Order, then we’ll end up having a movie about a fair kingdom with a good fair emperor and everybody lived happy. Because TLJ already establishes that there’s not a hierarchy between moral-social structures: there’s darkness in rey, light in kylo, grey areas. No need of a dogma (only that not needing a dogma and praising gray is a dogma in itself: the sacred word of everything you do is good and acceptable), so just change the “inside”, the head of the regime and then magically the regime can start being good.

And that is dangerous. And yes, it’s not western, it’s oriental culture and thinking. But not because it’s chinese, but because the western corporations find that model a lot more profitable in this stage of social-mediated liquid society. The old fronteer of private and public spheres has been turned down and publicity reigns supreme. That’s Sparta and not Athens.

Individuality requires by definition the possibility of being developed, and it develops in time, like a culture (or agriculture). To have the possibility of individuality, there has to be a defined private sphere that allows that culture to grow in time, from past to future (education, family, etc.).

The overwhelming power of today’s public sphere undermines that possibility: the world is so connected that it leads to the illusion that everything happens here and now, as they made Yoda say in this movie, as if it was wisdom.

And what’s the basic permanent structure of private life in a society? Family, and lineage, not the mass but the clan. Lineage allows the individual to draw and recognize itself in a trajectory through time, even from and beyond its existence. Which doesn’t mean that lineage gives you privileges over the others, but to allows you to know your journey, and certainly conditions it to an extent.

Problem with family is that it is a structure, and as any structure, it implies some kind of oppression. As the jewish law states, the mother is evident, the father only can be supposed. That’s why traditional societies reacted by defining a role for the woman associated with the private sphere of the home. Family is the base of democracy, as was in Athens centuries ago: it was based on the relative oppresion and confinement of half the humanity to a strict and defined model of conduct.

Jeopardize those role models, and you’ll end up having no family. Without family, no identity. Without identity, a vacuum of sense or purpose. And without that, a new society based only in consumism. It’s not misoginy, it’s just reflecting on the reasons of traditional structures, and what their movement implies. Men will not occupy the private sphere. Have women abandon it, and you’ll end up with no public sphere whatsoever, and everyone just obbeying what some influencer says in twitter, instagram, youtube or whatever.

That’s why, below and below any politically correct speech, feminism as it is understood today which is as a total cultural struggle (that goes beyond fair and absolutely reasonable claims such as rebellion against harassment or difference in payment), is very, very useful to the corporations. And that is why it is very, very present in the corporations agenda. It’s the trojan horse through which tear down the only barreer left between the human person and the massive consumer.

And that is why femminism and this apparent oriental philosophy of not holding on, letting go and being passive go absolutely hand in hand and are all part of a same stage of modern capitalism advancing over the human being, when evil and good are no longer needed as concepts, nor men or women, nor family, nor identity, nor stability of any type. And yes, no more heroes please. Just be comfortable with the world we create for you because it is what it is.

Wow, great post but it paints a very bleak picture for humanity 😕

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#1149049
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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TV’s Frink said:

luckydube56 said:

Anjohan said:

The Last Jedi has become bad because people can’t comprehend new directions for a 40-year old franchise. Get over it.

Episode IX WILL probably be predictable as fuck and all SW fans will rejoice.

I’m lucky in that I can ignore TLJ and TFA in my own mental canon.

This right here is how you should handle these movies if you don’t like them, and I respect this completely. But I don’t think it’s luck, I think it’s just common sense…or at least that’s what it should be. Getting all pissed off because a later movie “ruined” an earlier movie is just really alien to me.

This is what I will do in the end as clearly the “new” SW is not for me. I’ll relegate myself to only ever watching the OT DSEs and on the odd occasion some fanedits of the PT. I enjoy R1 as well so it will remain but TFA is in the bin for me since I won’t be able to watch it without being reminded of what it now leads into (while not leading into it since RJ killed those arcs, only bringing the setting and characters across).

I don’t for a second think TLJ has ruined any earlier movies, Im just pissed of for what it does to SW for me and that it means the end of my saga.

.Val

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#1149037
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Anjohan said:

The Last Jedi has become bad because people can’t comprehend new directions for a 40-year old franchise. Get over it.

Episode IX WILL probably be predictable as fuck and all SW fans will rejoice.

Or you could get over people expressing their dislike for the movie. And if being predictable gave us TLJ, I’ll take predictable thanks! Not really but it feels like RJ took this as his personal mission when making TLJ and so the whole movie is built around “gotcha” expectation subverting moments.

TFA played it extremely safe in starting a new trilogy which is probably predictable in itself seeing what happened with the PT. TLJ was supposed to be the movie where it broke away to make new ground and take us into the future of SW. Well it did that but not before taking a shit on everything that came before it and while still borrowing A LOT from TESB and ROTJ, just without being so in your face obvious as TFA was.

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#1149032
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TV’s Frink said:

Valheru_84 said:

I thought you were a bit more perceptive than this Frink, I’m not saying the likes vs dislikes is an indication of whether the movie is good or bad. I think it is a bad movie regardless, I was simply pointing to evidence that there is a significant number of people who are agreeing with such videos versus the people disliking it and therefore it’s not out of the question that the low Rotten Tomatoes audience score is legitimate.

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

Could be an indication of public opinion though, which is what he’s talking about, not the quality of the movie.

Not general public, a specific subset.

How is that a proper response to my reply Frink? It doesn’t actually address the issue I raised with your reply.

Welcome back by the way 😃

.Val

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#1149025
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dahmage said:

Valheru_84 said:

Collipso said:

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

Could be an indication of public opinion though, which is what he’s talking about, not the quality of the movie.

Exactly.

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

I thought you were a bit more perceptive than this Frink, I’m not saying the likes vs dislikes is an indication of whether the movie is good or bad. I think it is a bad movie regardless, I was simply pointing to evidence that there is a significant number of people who are agreeing with such videos versus the people disliking it and therefore it’s not out of the question that the low Rotten Tomatoes audience score is legitimate.

ray_afraid said:

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

Yeah, sheesh. What a weird thing to judge anything by.
And anybody who bothers clicking “dislike” on a YouTube video is either trolling or has psychological issues. I’m always laughing at “12 people actually took the time to say ‘nya!’ at an informative video that is exactly what it says it is.”

I thought better of you than this Ray. I click dislike on many videos that I don’t like or don’t agree with on some level that I feel warrants a dislike. So according to you I have psychological issues or I’m just out for a good trolling? Nice generalisation there mate.

.Val

I think you are forgetting that a lot of people would simply not watch the video. So of course you cannot take the ratio of likes and dislikes to mean anything other than that a small number of people who actually decided to watch the video didn’t like it.

Yes, the people that liked the movie and wouldn’t want to watch a negative review. What you are saying though is again making it as if I’m trying to use this to prove it wasn’t a good movie, where all I’m really saying is that the number of likes on these videos is proving that there is substance to the view that many people in fact do not like this movie. Which is pretty much what is being said everywhere now. The movie is dividing audiences, you either love it or you hate it.

What I don’t understand is how many people on here actually love / like it, as it’s Star Wars in look and sound but its heart has been scooped out and thrown in the trash, to be replaced with a shallow story and characters that don’t make sense, all mixed together with tone killing humour and SJW themes.

.Val

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#1149018
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oojason said:

Sorry Jason but I’m not buying his diplomatic talk over everything else he has already said about the matter on top of his reaction after his first viewing speaking volumes about his feelings on the matter. I think he’s dying to say what he really thinks about the whole matter but at the same time doesn’t want to jeopardise his role in IX by pissing off Disney.

This video pulls some of those comments together along with his post viewing reaction, though I wish it didn’t have the bleeding heart violin music over the top of it all.

https://youtu.be/UpWwp-oh4YA

.Val

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#1148769
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NeverarGreat said:

This guy’s comment/review is a fair summary of my own thoughts. Here’s his whole review:

Henry Gorman said:

This is a frustrating movie.

It has an impressive and noble ambition: to expose the fundamental hollowness of the Star Wars franchise’s heroes and their conflicts, and then, to give them some kind of substance. The Luke Skywalker who appears here is shockingly caustic and cynical, but the selfishness he displays has long been part of his character. He’s always been pulled into heroism by his hungers for recognition, fame, and family. Even though he’s a hero of the Rebellion, he has no organic connection to it, and never shows much interest in its overarching goals (which have almost always been irrelevant to the movie). If he had gone to the Academy a few years ago, as he had wanted to, he likely would have become a TIE fighter pilot. The younger heroes of The Force Awakens are not so different. Rey, a total social outcast, is fueled by a hunger for any sort of connection and purpose; Finn, the cowardly former stormtrooper whose behavior and background never quite gel, is much the same; Poe Dameron is valorous but, in this film, also a vainglorious death seeker whose choices undermine the cause. The Last Jedi confronts its protagonists with the limits of this selfish type of heroism and forces them to transcend it. It also tries to contextualize their struggle within the broader social and metaphysical realities. For the first time in the main saga, the Force is presented as something other than a vague abstraction, and the Resistance/Rebellion has a clear cause to fight for.

However, until the last 45 minutes or so of the film’s two and a half hours, Rian Johnson really struggles to dramatize all of this. He lacks JJ Abrams’s easy knack for creating character relationships out of thin air, which is a major problem in a film which separates its protagonists from their established friends for most of its runtime. He’s similarly clumsy with tone; the film’s opening sequence begins with Spaceballs-like farce, but pivots to Battlestar Galactica-like grim desperation without much consideration for how its comedy and tragedy interact. He also draws on a variety of stylistic influences (the aforementioned Spaceballs and Battlestar Galactica, Kurosawa’s oeuvre, Baz Luhrman’s Great Gatsby, Avatar: The Last Airbender) without constructively synthesizing them into a coherent whole, as Tarantino, Edgar Wright, or even George Lucas would have. The movie’s finale, which brings its main characters together and unifies its aesthetics, is far more effective and engaging (and beautiful! it includes both the most visually striking spaceship destruction and the most visually magnificent land battle in the whole franchise), but it’s undermined by what came before it. It also teases, then chickens out of making a few especially exciting choices.

So, The Last Jedi is more interesting than it is effective. It’s more thematically rich than The Force Awakens, but far less functional from moment to moment. I think it will produce some great fanfiction. I’d love to hear a rebuttal from one of the people who think that it’s the best Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back.

A couple of things this guy says rings true for me but inherent selfishness in Luke’s character? Wtf is he on about?

Also I’ll take the battle of Hoth any day over its “look, salt” shadow of remake.

.Val

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#1148768
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Collipso said:

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

Could be an indication of public opinion though, which is what he’s talking about, not the quality of the movie.

Exactly.

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

I thought you were a bit more perceptive than this Frink, I’m not saying the likes vs dislikes is an indication of whether the movie is good or bad. I think it is a bad movie regardless, I was simply pointing to evidence that there is a significant number of people who are agreeing with such videos versus the people disliking it and therefore it’s not out of the question that the low Rotten Tomatoes audience score is legitimate.

ray_afraid said:

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

Yeah, sheesh. What a weird thing to judge anything by.
And anybody who bothers clicking “dislike” on a YouTube video is either trolling or has psychological issues. I’m always laughing at “12 people actually took the time to say ‘nya!’ at an informative video that is exactly what it says it is.”

I thought better of you than this Ray. I click dislike on many videos that I don’t like or don’t agree with on some level that I feel warrants a dislike. So according to you I have psychological issues or I’m just out for a good trolling? Nice generalisation there mate.

.Val

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#1148715
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one69chev said:

Projected 68% percent drop in movie ticket sales this weekend; that is Batman vs Superman territory. TFA dropped 39% from its first weekend to its second. We can speculate over the ‘real’ review numbers, but box office numbers will generally indicate how the movie going public really feels about a movie; case in point, The Justice League which will most likely finish its box office run with less than $700 million worldwide.

I heard via the SC Reviews channel that it was actually a 77% drop in ticket sales for the second week. Also despite the narrative claiming the low user score on Rotten Tom. is manufactured by some person that posted about it on Facebook, I have seen a pretty consistent ratio in likes vs dislikes for nearly every YouTube video I’ve watched that is either a review, analysis or opinion video that is openly criticising TLJ and they’re all around 70-90% likes vs the dislikes. I very much am getting the feeling that despite the positive image many articles are pushing, the visible and audible crowd of people who don’t like TLJ is growing larger buy the day and while not likely the majority, I estimate they are a significant percentage.

In regards to the prospects for episode IX, I agree with this guy - it’s in big trouble and JJ has a hell of a job before him!

https://youtu.be/snfJJ1RHFIA

.Val