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#1294325
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

It seemed like most people figured it was a vision, and there are still people speculating otherwise despite this news, and will continue to. That is interesting they decided to edit it, I don’t think it was really necessary to do so. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah I myself also felt like others that it was very likely a vision but the fact its effectively confirmed now takes a good bit of wind out of the sails of any exciting speculation and discussion they probably hoped to stoke from showing the footage. There will still be questions as to what the vision means for the story but the big talking point was obviously supposed to be if Rey somehow turns to the dark side.

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#1294317
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

Your posts continue to astound, as always.

You’re the one continuing to debate the person instead of the point.

Don’t mind me.

If anyone else wants to continue down the line of “it’s not a trailer”, you’re pretty much arguing semantics at this point as with new footage ending with the title and release month it services exactly as a teaser trailer either way even if not officially released as one.

Yeah, that’s not the point. It’s a marketing reel. Who gives a shit. The forensic analysis is asinine.

Before I attempt to stave off filling this thread with any more completely off topic replies, I will simply point out that it was yourself who came out of the woodwork just to specifically have a go at me.

So are you saying Disney would not use OT nostalgia AT ALL to try and bolster interest in the franchise they now own? That would be extremely naive and points more to you just needing to be opposed to anything I say despite what is an obvious given in terms of prudent business practice.

My point is that the level of nostalgia is far beyond what is logically and obviously expected, such that it points to other reasons to bait people’s interest in these movies through heavy use of nostalgia and the cinematic inbreeding Dre so concisely articulated has and continues to happen.

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#1294311
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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DominicCobb said:

Your posts continue to astound, as always.

You’re the one continuing to debate attack the person instead of arguing the point.

If anyone else wants to continue down the line of “it’s not a trailer”, you’re pretty much arguing semantics at this point as with new footage ending with the title and release month it services exactly as a teaser trailer either way even if not officially released as one.

Edit: To update my post after you updated yours.

DominicCobb said:
(time it out if you want, you’ll just be missing the point in a rush to prove your deluded nonsense)

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#1294306
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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DominicCobb said:

Here’s your problem buddy, it’s not a “trailer” at all. Just a convention sneak peek. Love that we’re timing videos now to figure out how much “nostalgia” is included.

I clearly have not ever been your “buddy” since we crossed paths long ago so maybe drop the condescending pretense and just keep replies neutrally on point so as not to make the discussion personal?

The video contains new footage of the unreleased movie and ends with the title and a release month. Id term that a trailer like many others reposting it on Youtube and referencing it are. You could say it’s a sizzle real combined with a new teaser trailer if you wanted but my points about appealing to nostalgia to try and build interest for the final installment still stands.

And yes, I need to provide timings if I want to refute someone’s assertion that my initial general comments on the runtime proportions are just down to the saga trilogy proportions which the timings clearly show a major discrepancy in this logic. I didn’t initially sit there and count it out but watching a new 2min video about TROS where nearly the first minute is just all OT and a bit of PT footage just screams of having no faith in the new trilogy being able to stand on it’s own to generate a safe level of interest to make the kind of profit they’re after.

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#1294300
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Looks like the beans have already been spilled on “Dark Rey” by a slip up on the official Star Wars website which refers to the scene as a “vision” and has since edited the text to read “sight” instead.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a28833977/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-dark-rey-evil-spoiler-website-vision/

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#1294298
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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adywan said:

Valheru_84 said:

I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.

So a 9 film saga trailer (even though its more of a sizzle reel exclusively for D23), that shows clips from the films in release order (ending with new clips from Ep9) , uses a third of its runtime to show the OT (3 films out of 9 turns out to be a third 😉 ) and this is supposed to show how Disney is constantly trying to appeal to nostalgia?

Yes as generally trailers for movies mostly show footage for the actual movie it’s for. It’s been obvious from the start that Disney are leaning extremely heavily on OT nostalgia and this is just the super obvious cherry on top.

Regarding the 1/3 argument (3 out of 9 movies), the PT would also need to take 1/3 of the runtime if that were the case instead of just 1/10. The actual footage lengths are around:

OT - ~43sec (including the opening OT music)
PT - 12sec
ST - 1min ~5sec (excluding “DECEMBER”)

If this was a “saga trailer” as you term it and not a massive appeal to nostalgia then it would indeed make sense to split the footage somewhat equally but such is not the case with the feature film taking the largest piece with the OT not far behind and the PT getting a cursory glimpse.

I understand Dre wants to get this thread back on topic so Ill keep replying in another thread if one is started.

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#1294214
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.

Disney are pushing a very mixed message in obviously wanting to sell their new, young cast of characters (often at the expense of the old beloved OT characters), even pushing a literal 4th wall message in TLJ with “let the past die…” but are so afraid of not getting enough bums on cinema seats that they’ll use the OT at every chance they get, knowing it is what everyone already loves and gets people’s attention. So you get this weird circular behaviour of “forget about your old, tired and failed heroes and look at our new awesome young and diverse heroes out to actually save the day” all the while playing out the same plot points of the OT with a few jumbled up for good measure and shoving all this imagery and references of the OT in your face while someone like Rian claims to be breaking new artistic ground because he shoehorned some manufactured bait and switches into Star Wars.

Because the ST is so referential of the OT, in many ways it is literally a pale shadow of the originals that has been lazily twisted and skewed to try and make it look different.

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#1292451
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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If the leak in this article has any validity then it sounds like TROS will be the third ST movie to continue with the soft reboot / remake in repeating and reusing many plot points and elements from the OT, in particular ROTJ for what this article talks about which is essentially ANOTHER Death Star but as a ship this time (still thats going on four! Or FIVE if you’re just talking about the use of “Death Star tech”) that can at the least take out whole continents or possibly even up to whole planets again as it reportedly has the same power level of the first DS.

Apparently it even has a trench in its design for what would be the third trench run now, though to be mimicking ROTJ they would need to fly into the ship in order to destroy it.

https://movieweb.com/rise-of-skywalker-onager-star-destroyer-star-wars/

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#1292430
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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DrDre said:

Jonno said:

RogueLeader said:

As far as her powers go, I’m under the impression that the Force has literally awakened in the ST. I don’t think it is a static, non-changing energy field. Every Force-user in the ST, including Rey, are capable of powers we have never seen before until now, and I think the Force itself is playing a part in it, hence The Force Awakens. Could they have made it more nuanced or something? Sure, maybe, but it doesn’t ruin the movies for me. I’m satisfied with that and have moved on.

Yes, this seems to have come about because the current filmmakers are telling two new stories (in the films) at the same time: a character whose inherent affinity with the force is stronger than we’ve seen before, and a force-using protagonist who happens to be female.

I don’t think this accurately describes the situation. What the filmmakers have done is introduce a character that no longer obeys pre-existing and well established lore by being able to perform acts that previously could only be performed by individuals who were trained in the ways of the Force. This in of itself does not have to be an issue, if the concepts behind it are well established. However, TFA gives practically no explanation for Rey’s sudden Force abilities, leading to a host of fan theories that explain her abilities by some hidden past. While TLJ only hints at an explanation with darkness rises and light to meet it, as if it was an already established concept. Meanwhile neither Luke or Yoda recognize Rey’s unique status, and just treat her as the next Jedi in line. So, we end up with a character who follows a similar trajectory as Luke or Anakin ending up confronting the big bad in a throne room setting, while the story largely glosses over the explanation of how she is able to perform these amazing feats. In addition the fact that Rey is able to turn on God-mode at her convenience is criticized by many as detrimental to her character, and defies what many consider to be good storytelling.

Now being a critic of this aspect of the ST myself I’ve seen many analyses of Rey’s character, and rarely have I run into a critic who dislikes Rey simply because she is a female. In fact this is a line of thought that usually comes from those that wish to put critics of the ST into a bad light. The argument more often than not follows the predictable trajectory, where a ST fan argues why they disagree with some of the criticisms against Rey’s character, and thus concludes that since they see no merit in these arguments, there must be some sinister reason why others adopt this stance, and so they must be misogynist, racist, and what not. They simply cannot fathom the idea that a character they consider to be a good, can be considered bad by other reasonable people, and so they use the gender of the character to stifle what would otherwise have been considered reasonable criticism for breaking the pre-established rules, and lore of the Star Wars universe. So, while I condemn all people who reject Rey or any other characters based on gender, race, sexual orientation, I equally condemn those that weaponize gender, race, sexual orientation as a means to attack critical fans, the vast majority of which express their criticism out of love for the franchise, not because of some evil agenda.

Hear hear Dre!

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#1289582
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars Live action TV series
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Anchorhead said:

Valheru_84 said:

I think I actually prefer that method of release. It gives you something to look forward to each week instead of binge watching the whole season in one or two sittings and then be left waiting a whole year (or two for GoT) for the next one.

Same here. I just binged all of Stranger Things in three days and now I’ve got nothing until Mandalorian. I dont have the self control of waiting a week when all I have to do is hit “Next Episode > Skip Intro”. 😉

Exactly and because of that I watched all of Stranger Things season 3 in one go except the last 3/4 of the last episode, turning in at 4am to still get a few hours of sleep and not realising it was the last episode LOL!

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#1289355
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars Live action TV series
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I think I actually prefer that method of release. It gives you something to look forward to each week instead of binge watching the whole season in one or two sittings and then be left waiting a whole year (or two for GoT) for the next one.

In regards to budget, I heard each episode cost around $15M each which is about what each GoT episode cost for the final season.

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#1289227
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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^ If they find the Earth from a long time ago, then it’s no longer “a galaxy far far away” and is actually “A time long away in the future” LOL

Anyway, a new rumour has it that TROS just started a number of reshoots that could possibly run through till September. But with so many wild theories getting about currently (such as a few brought up by RLM) who knows what to believe at the moment.

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#1288970
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ATMachine said:

OutboundFlight said:

What’s really interesting is with Gareth Edwards and Lord/Miller, Disney really went down their throats. They had numerous reshoots because they were disappointed with the director’s vision.

With J.J. it was less obvious, but they surrounded him with so much “protection”- teaming him up with Kasdan, and constantly mentioning how they were trying to return to the OT as a subtle jab at the PT’s wackiness.

But here comes Rian Johnson, and Disney absolutely loves him. All through the documentaries for TLJ Kennedy goes on and on about Rian is perfect for the job and his vision is perfect for Star Wars. It’s bittersweet knowing what’s going to happen. One thing we can all agree on is TLJ was the most divise of the Disney SW movies- so it is surprising for the one where they have Rian the most creative freedom to be the one it turns out was most deserving of reshoots (to play it safe).

I know we’ve heard they planned the trilogy out, but TFA and TLJ really don’t play well with each other. TLJ feels like it is making a statement, for better or worse, that the derivative elements of TFA need to go. Maybe on paper that sounded good but in practice it really feels like Rian is changing all of J.J.’s plan. Hence why 9 seems more like a one-off movie (bringing back Palpatine) rather than a conclusion to a trilogy.

So much this.

JJ had “a map to Skywalker” as if Luke Skywalker were some static feature of a planetary landscape, rather than somebody who travelled to a specific destination for reasons unknown. Because giving any further detail might prohibit the other films in the series from having a free hand. But this makes the writing of TFA annoyingly vague, and leads the film to focus on more derivative elements, like Starkiller Base.

Rian saw Snoke (rightly) as derivative, and so killed him off. But he did so via a sudden assassination that conveyed his dislike for the very idea of the character. This retroactively casts TFA in a bad light for focusing on Snoke as a big threat, and also leaves unanswered the question of how & why that guy came to upend the GFFA.

Now JJ is back, and is scrambling to do something with Palpatine because he can’t use Snoke anymore. This back-and-forth is leading to successive films where the narrative elements are working against each other, rather than helping each other tell a grander saga.

Great post and while I also agree you can’t be overly critical on an unreleased film, the two preceeding films and everything we know so far about IX does allow you to start to piecing together a rough picture of how events will play out and the way these films have been made are playing off / reacting to each other.

Regardless of how we think IX will play out, I think the line below is spot on in regards to TFA and TLJ.

…the narrative elements are working against each other, rather than helping each other tell a grander saga.

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#1288649
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70mm print of GOUT on Saturday in Academy Theater in CA!
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ChainsawAsh said:

If you were going to comment about it in this thread anyway, why did you make a new thread about the same thing?

My thread OP has been modified to just flag the news to people that dont read far enough into this thread to discover it and also redirect people to come here if wanting to discuss it and so in that sense I have shifted the portion of my original OP that asked questions about the matter here, to re-centralise the discussion here after so many complained about making a thread on a topic that’s really quite seperate to this one. I’d have to laugh if it spurned a multi page discussion and someone comes along to suggest it get it’s own thread…

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#1288633
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Star Wars '77 70mm theatrical screening signed off by George Lucas himself!
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Mods can you please re-title this thread to the below:

George Lucas signs off on public screening of unaltered Star Wars '77 print!

For everyone that posted on topic, please repost your replies in digitalfreaknyc’s thread and edit your reply here to say “Moved” once done so it can be included in a cleanup of this thread in a day or two.

The below is actually the type of discussion forks that I thought might occur here and deserved their own thread outside of a specific screening, but oh well…

Fang Zei said:

The bigger discussion that kinda does warrant its own thread is just how much control George does or doesn’t have over this sort of thing now. Isn’t it a little suspicious that for all those years when he still owned LFL he never allowed screenings of the OOT and now that he doesn’t anymore he “granted his permission?”

Like I said in the other thread, it was probably just a formality by the Academy considering their long history with George going all the way back to Graffiti. Notice how Disney hasn’t been mentioned at all in regards to this news?

All of this assumes, btw, that John Dykstra wasn’t just joking when he said they had to get George’s permission. I wonder if anyone managed to capture video/audio of him saying that.

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#1288632
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70mm print of GOUT on Saturday in Academy Theater in CA!
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So with the recent revelation of George Lucas himself having signed off on this public screening of a legit unaltered '77 Star Wars, I wonder what it could mean for the below matters:

  • George’s changed stance/view on the original theatricals?
  • Clauses within the contract sale to Disney that allow him to do this and I wonder what else?
  • Some tangible proof of future 4K releases of the original theatricals?
  • Possibly a new source for fan restorations in perfect condition (apart from possibly 2sec of damage as detailed below)?

Pretty interesting turn of events either way! 😄

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#1288568
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Star Wars '77 70mm theatrical screening signed off by George Lucas himself!
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Just found the post by DavidMDaut on page 3 and I think this is why a specific thread is still not a bad thing as I originaly read the OP of that thread and a few comments from page 1 and then thought awesome but I don’t need to read all 5 pages and subsequently missed the news about George until coming across that video. So I will edit my OP to be more of an headline with a quote and link to the discussion in that thread, just for anyone else that also decided not to dive right into that thread and missed that tidbit about some big news 😉

DavidMDaut said:

Just got out. Program began with Rogue One introduced by John Knoll. Super neat, but that’s not why you’re here.

John Dykstra introduced a 70mm print struck for the UK but never screened (I heard someone say it was ‘81, but the date was never formally stated). It was never screened because the first time it was projected, the print tore, and thus there was about two seconds of pretty major damage right as the Death Star blows up, but otherwise, the print was immaculate. Minimal damage and virtually no fading. “A New Hope” was on the crawl, but otherwise, it’s the original film.

Apparently, after some convincing, Lucas himself signed off on the Academy showing this version of the film. That’s huge, because he has firmly not allowed the original version to be publicly screened since before 1997. What does that mean for future releases? Who can say, but this screening is something that seemed impossible just one week ago.

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#1288565
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Star Wars '77 70mm theatrical screening signed off by George Lucas himself!
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I did have a very quick scan through but didnt notice anything obvious and felt it a different enough topic to deserve it’s own thread away from one specifically talking about the screening itself.

Looking at some of the other topics with their own thread, I didnt think for a second this one would be such an issue that the thread would instead be completely derailed to discuss it’s own validity as a separate topic.

I could understand the annoyance if there was already a specific thread on it. In this case it feels like Ive been rounded up by the thread police, a sister department to the grammar police…

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#1288556
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Star Wars '77 70mm theatrical screening signed off by George Lucas himself!
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crissrudd4554 said:

Valheru_84 said:

Mway1 said:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70mm-print-of-GOUT-on-Saturday-in-Academy-Theater-in-CA/id/68191

And? Note that I linked this thread myself in my OP…

Because the questions you are posting here you could have simply posted there. Starting a new thread in regards to an event that’s already being discussed in another thread really isnt necessary.

Except that this thread is not about the event, but GL signing off on the screening of a freaking theatrical print! Don’t know how this is being missed or why no one else finds this surprising or worth saying anything given like I said, what was the default understanding till now about his stance on the OUT.

Sorry, I thought the specific topic would be of some interest on here but it seems I have more to discuss about it with my casual Star Wars fan friends and family than on OT.com