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#1319371
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Info: Star Wars - The Lost Cut is not exactly what you think it is....
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So is there real credence to there being a lost cut or is this just based on speculation by yourself Ronster due to perceived issues with cuts and audio in the movie? I don’t mean to sound harsh but it just seems as if no one else knows what you’re talking about and I guess at this stage it’s just a personally held theory of yourself that you’re trying to prove?

I will give you props for the effort you’re putting into it but what is the end goal and it’s significance to Star Wars?

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#1319370
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Name Something You Unreservedly Love About The Rise Of Skywalker
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Hal 9000 said:

In answer to this thread’s prompt:

Luke lifting his X-wing was a bright spot.

Maybe if that happened in TLJ and he flew to Crait to actually face Kylo. I’m guessing it looked cool and by itself it was nice to see him complete that story arc from TESB so to speak, but as a force ghost? And in spite of the fact he could have done this in TLJ and not die from force exertion (despite Kylo force projecting multiple times in TROS and seeming none the worse for wear)?

Glad you could find some joy out the movie anyway.

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#1319226
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Force-Abel said:

Valheru_84 said:

Force-Abel said:

Valheru_84 said:

Mocata said:

It’s the same thing as Luke testing his.

Except it’s not the same and that’s what my initial point was in replying to Yotsuya. Rey testing her saber was already discarded as a possible in story reason for igniting her saber since it’s clear it was completed well before this scene and would have been tested back when it was actually completed rather than carrying around an untested saber with no tools on hand to continue working on it if it doesn’t work the first time you go to use it. It is literally just the movie doing a soft 4th wall in saying “look audience, Rey has built a new lightsaber”. If they did have her adding the final few components that she scrounged from Obiwan’s hut and then testing it, then there was a reason in the story itself. As it is, her actions are inexplicable as presented and therefore the only reason left is the obvious meta nature of the reveal.

Mocata said:

However it makes no sense that this is Tatooine, a place important to the audience and not to a single character involved.

Yes, another issue with the scene among others I’m sure if you continue to think about it as JJ hopes you don’t 😉

You have now seen the TROS film?

I have seen footage of the scene on YouTube and read the leaked plot months ago. I might watch the full movie at some stage just to see it in it’s completed form but I’m not paying to see on the big screen what I already know I won’t enjoy.

Ah, you have viewed the scene is isolation - yet not in the context it is shown within the film.

If you went and saw the film on the big screen just think of all the more the negative posts you could make about it, a film you state that know you won’t enjoy, but post about so much.

Please educate me on the additional context the full movie provides that makes this scene make sense, despite what I assume another person who has seen the film saying it makes no sense? Or is this just a reason to make another jab at me?

Force-Abel said:
and not having everything spelt out for me.

Yeah this has nothing to do with what I’ve been talking about.

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#1319225
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Force-Abel said:

Valheru_84 said:

If plot holes are too big and obvious then they will adversely affect any movie but I would say they aren’t usually that much of an issue if you are enjoying and invested in the story being told and you’re more likely to excuse any plot holes you do notice anyway as you’ve seen value in the story being told.

If you’re not invested and having a good time of it then I’d say you’re far more likely to focus on whether the movie even makes sense to begin with and one full of plot holes no matter how big or small is going to get torn apart by those that are just trying to at least follow what plot is being served up to them.

I agree that ensuring you have a bullet proof plot isn’t going to stop a bad movie from being a bad movie but plot holes are going to be criticised all the same when they’re part of the problem.

You have now seen the TROS film?

Or are just commenting on what others have said about it?

You seem to be spamming your question, here is what I’ve already said in response in another thread:

Valheru_84 said:

Force-Abel said:

Valheru_84 said:

Mocata said:

It’s the same thing as Luke testing his.

Except it’s not the same and that’s what my initial point was in replying to Yotsuya. Rey testing her saber was already discarded as a possible in story reason for igniting her saber since it’s clear it was completed well before this scene and would have been tested back when it was actually completed rather than carrying around an untested saber with no tools on hand to continue working on it if it doesn’t work the first time you go to use it. It is literally just the movie doing a soft 4th wall in saying “look audience, Rey has built a new lightsaber”. If they did have her adding the final few components that she scrounged from Obiwan’s hut and then testing it, then there was a reason in the story itself. As it is, her actions are inexplicable as presented and therefore the only reason left is the obvious meta nature of the reveal.

Mocata said:

However it makes no sense that this is Tatooine, a place important to the audience and not to a single character involved.

Yes, another issue with the scene among others I’m sure if you continue to think about it as JJ hopes you don’t 😉

You have now seen the TROS film?

I have seen footage of the scene on YouTube and read the leaked plot months ago. I might watch the full movie at some stage just to see it in it’s completed form but I’m not paying to see on the big screen what I already know I won’t enjoy.

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#1319200
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Mocata said:

Valheru_84 said:

Except it’s not the same and that’s what my initial point was in replying to Yotsuya. Rey testing her saber was already discarded as a possible in story reason for igniting her saber since it’s clear it was completed well before this scene and would have been tested back when it was actually completed rather than carrying around an untested saber with no tools on hand to continue working on it if it doesn’t work the first time you go to use it.

Well I don’t think we know that. But now it doesn’t matter.

True we don’t know that but it’s a pretty logical conclusion seeing that the movie doesnt tell you any different or give you any reason to reach a different conclusion. At the end of TROS Rey ignites what can only be assumed to be a previously constructed and tested new lightsaber for no discernible reason except to show the audience she finally made her own saber, something she should have done during TLJ or at the start of TROS but then that would be getting dangerously close to just directly mimicking an OT movie again.

Yes it doesn’t really matter, except when someone points out that it doesn’t make sense and someone tries to excuse it because Luke did the same thing in a deleted scene, except the context is different.

Also simply saying “they done it first” is not really a great reason anyway to justify a scene that still makes no sense regardless of any actual previous examples. I literally said to one of my kids the other day that just because their sibling does something doesn’t mean you have to. If they stuck their hand in a fire would you? No, I didn’t think so LOL…

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#1319199
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Force-Abel said:

Valheru_84 said:

Mocata said:

It’s the same thing as Luke testing his.

Except it’s not the same and that’s what my initial point was in replying to Yotsuya. Rey testing her saber was already discarded as a possible in story reason for igniting her saber since it’s clear it was completed well before this scene and would have been tested back when it was actually completed rather than carrying around an untested saber with no tools on hand to continue working on it if it doesn’t work the first time you go to use it. It is literally just the movie doing a soft 4th wall in saying “look audience, Rey has built a new lightsaber”. If they did have her adding the final few components that she scrounged from Obiwan’s hut and then testing it, then there was a reason in the story itself. As it is, her actions are inexplicable as presented and therefore the only reason left is the obvious meta nature of the reveal.

Mocata said:

However it makes no sense that this is Tatooine, a place important to the audience and not to a single character involved.

Yes, another issue with the scene among others I’m sure if you continue to think about it as JJ hopes you don’t 😉

You have now seen the TROS film?

I have seen footage of the scene on YouTube and read the leaked plot months ago. I might watch the full movie at some stage just to see it in it’s completed form but I’m not paying to see on the big screen what I already know I won’t enjoy.

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#1319179
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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If plot holes are too big and obvious then they will adversely affect any movie but I would say they aren’t usually that much of an issue if you are enjoying and invested in the story being told and you’re more likely to excuse any plot holes you do notice anyway as you’ve seen value in the story being told.

If you’re not invested and having a good time of it then I’d say you’re far more likely to focus on whether the movie even makes sense to begin with and one full of plot holes no matter how big or small is going to get torn apart by those that are just trying to at least follow what plot is being served up to them.

I agree that ensuring you have a bullet proof plot isn’t going to stop a bad movie from being a bad movie but plot holes are going to be criticised all the same when they’re part of the problem.

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#1319175
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Mocata said:

It’s the same thing as Luke testing his.

Except it’s not the same and that’s what my initial point was in replying to Yotsuya. Rey testing her saber was already discarded as a possible in story reason for igniting her saber since it’s clear it was completed well before this scene and would have been tested back when it was actually completed rather than carrying around an untested saber with no tools on hand to continue working on it if it doesn’t work the first time you go to use it. It is literally just the movie doing a soft 4th wall in saying “look audience, Rey has built a new lightsaber”. If they did have her adding the final few components that she scrounged from Obiwan’s hut and then testing it, then there was a reason in the story itself. As it is, her actions are inexplicable as presented and therefore the only reason left is the obvious meta nature of the reveal.

Mocata said:

However it makes no sense that this is Tatooine, a place important to the audience and not to a single character involved.

Yes, another issue with the scene among others I’m sure if you continue to think about it as JJ hopes you don’t 😉

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#1319056
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Cassian Andor Live-Action Series
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mykyta-R4 said:

^ “Disney came along and told you what actually happended” - Disney made Solo? Huh… I thought Lucasfilm did, like Lucasfilm made Rogue One, TFA, TLJ, TROS and The Mandalorian.

I went and checked for you because I know you have not seen Solo - Lucasfilm did make Solo 😉

No need to be so snide. Call it semantics because you know what I meant when I said Disney. If you want to be pedantic then yes - “before LFL, Ron Howard, Lawrence and Jonathan Kasdan came along and told you what “actually happened””.

This wasn’t a dig at Disney, I was simply saying I didn’t need Solo’s background explained to a tee (especially after so long) for the same reasons as I was perfectly fine with the characters in RO.

No I haven’t seen Solo and I dont need or want to for those reasons and more.

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#1318952
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4k83 shot by shot color correction
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DrDre said:

Valheru_84 said:

Hi Dre, sorry if this has already been answered or indicated before but will you be releasing your own colour corrected versions of the 4k projects once you’ve completed your changes or just LUTs to be applied to the base uncorrected versions already available now (which I currently have no idea how to do but I’m sure I could learn)?

Thank you in advance and also for your amazing work, the images look absolutely beautiful! 😃

Yes, the regrade will be a separate release. 😃

Awesome!! Thanks man for all your hard work, I can’t wait to watch them when they’re ready (I understand this may be a while yet 😉 ).

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#1318947
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Mocata said:

Valheru_84 said:

yotsuya said:

Z6PO said:

Back to the topic: there’s so much aspects of the movie that I found disappointing, so I don’t know what the most is, but what I would have liked to see at the beginning of the movie is Rey building her own lightsaber (the one we see at the end of the movie), using parts (the Kyber crystal!) salvaged from Anakin’s lightsaber (which got torn apart in the previous movie). She has the ancient texts, she would have known how to build one, and it should have been part of her training. It would have been ultimately cool to see her fight with an orange blade. (Seeing her ignite her new lightsaber for no reason at the end of the movie is just fan service)

ROTJ deleted scene of Luke igniting his lightsaber for no reason before putting it in R2.

Umm, he’d just finished building it so isn’t it logically prudent to do at least a quick test before needing to rely on it for a potential battle?

Yeah that’s fine. Ruins the skiff reveal but logically it’s fine.

I’m guessing that’s why the scene was cut / deleted but as to comparing the scene to Rey’s one in TROS, Luke’s ignition makes sense in story while Rey’s only makes sense as fan service which isn’t necessarily a bad thing in itself except for it seeming to be the only reason she ignites it which is part of the meta problem with the DT. It’s far too self aware.

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#1318835
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4k83 shot by shot color correction
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Hi Dre, sorry if this has already been answered or indicated before but will you be releasing your own colour corrected versions of the 4k projects once you’ve completed your changes or just LUTs to be applied to the base uncorrected versions already available now (which I currently have no idea how to do but I’m sure I could learn)?

Thank you in advance and also for your amazing work, the images look absolutely beautiful! 😃

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#1318832
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Anyone else think Empire Strikes Back's Special Edition is actually better than the Theatrical Cut?
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To the OP - nope, theatrical all the way for me.

Shopping Maul said:

Back in 1980 I didn’t notice transparent Speeders or repeated set corridors - nor did I care that I never saw the shuttle Vader referred to. All I saw was total awesomeness.

Now of course I can see the rough edges. I can see the genius of how the Hoth battle was achieved, or how the sets were cleverly designed to give the impression of greater scope and distance. Lucas calls them ‘faults’ - I call them craft.

I’m a conservative on this point. I think the films should have been left alone. They are (as Gary Kurtz said) a product of their time, and no amount of tinkering will make them otherwise. The SE were a cute novelty in 1997 and should have remained such - a bonus disc to compliment a stunning remaster of the theatrical OT in whatever format.

If Paul McCartney decided to remix the Beatles’ catalogue with all-new digital sounds, tweaks to the songs, Katy Perry on a couple of tracks etc etc, and then try to bury the originals, he would probably have to go into hiding - and with good reason. This is how I see the Star Wars issue. The sight of Lucas banging on about ‘mythological motifs’ at a 40th anniversary celebration of a film he won’t let us see anymore made my blood boil.

So no, I’m in the unaltered TESB camp.

+1

Great post.

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#1318830
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Wexter said:

So you suggest that along with Luke’s lightsaber, his X-Wing, his home, Han’s ship and his copilot, she should have also inherited Leia’s bikini?

LOL, unfortunately I don’t think Rey would fill those cups or more importantly, her shoes. It’s amazing the amount of other OT character’s things she appropriates but it doesn’t stop there as it seems she even gets Poe’s droid BB-8 by the end of TROS…

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#1318828
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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yotsuya said:

Z6PO said:

Back to the topic: there’s so much aspects of the movie that I found disappointing, so I don’t know what the most is, but what I would have liked to see at the beginning of the movie is Rey building her own lightsaber (the one we see at the end of the movie), using parts (the Kyber crystal!) salvaged from Anakin’s lightsaber (which got torn apart in the previous movie). She has the ancient texts, she would have known how to build one, and it should have been part of her training. It would have been ultimately cool to see her fight with an orange blade. (Seeing her ignite her new lightsaber for no reason at the end of the movie is just fan service)

ROTJ deleted scene of Luke igniting his lightsaber for no reason before putting it in R2.

Umm, he’d just finished building it so isn’t it logically prudent to do at least a quick test before needing to rely on it for a potential battle?

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#1318826
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Cassian Andor Live-Action Series
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I enjoyed RO on the first viewing, fell in love with it on the second and just outright adore it now whenever I get to watch it. Of course it has flaws but so do your family and friends who you love all the same.

I initially heard criticisms about thin characters in RO but after my second viewing I honestly can’t understand this view point. As was touched on above, we’re not shown much about each character’s past but we are told a bit and also shown enough for Jyn that together with their actions throughout the movie and clear motivations, we learn who these people are, why they fight and come to care enough for them that we do root for them to survive and watching them get killed does illicit an emotional response.

I think the movie does enough to provide frameworks, themes and suggestive qualities for most characters that we get a sense of who they are and we are allowed to use our imagination to fill in the gaps as we will based on our own subjective absorption of these things which I think can make for a far more enjoyable experience rather than having a complete character bio spelled out for you. I think it’s what made Han Solo so intriguing for many and what made the Solo movie so unnecessary after 40 years of feeling like you knew the character as you had imagined before Disney came along and told you what “actually happended”, losing the unspecific magic of his character background story.

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#1318819
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Voss Caltrez said:
I thought the singing or stining birds upgrade was stupid. How did they know to target the storm troopers but not baby yoda?

Potentially don’t read further if you’re still yet to complete the series, but…

…Mando returning with a fairly regular consistency for “upgrades” does have quite a video game feel to it, usually returning with beskar or information that are exchanged as level up tokens for upgraded abilities.

Some of the episodes also have a somewhat one quest leading to another quest vibe feel to them.

It’s not a huge criticism of mine, just a minor gripe that you get the sense of a background structure or formula being adhered to at times during the writing process.

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#1318779
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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Shopping Maul said:

Broom Kid said:

Hiding reasonable, justified criticisms behind something called “two-hour-rage” is ridiculously counterproductive. Why would anyone want to watch a “two-hour-rage” directed at anything?

If the criticisms are reasonable and justified what’s the benefit in presenting them as two hours of concentrated rage?

In Mauler’s defence the whole ‘Rage’ thing is a result of his initial ‘success’ being a response to his TLJ ‘rant’ - which was just that - a rant (which I personally found hilarious). After that he did a proper critique of the film over several hours, and then sought to differentiate between his ‘rants’ and his critiques. I haven’t watched this one yet but I’m assuming it’s a big combination of both approaches.

I absolutely agree with you about the post-Plinkett Internet, but I have to say I like Mauler a lot. While I don’t agree with everything he says, he seems to have a good grasp of the subjective vs the objective in his assessments. But like I said, I haven’t watched this one yet.

Good post SM and I agree. His original TLJ unbridled rage video where you get to watch a watermelon slowly decay into rott was literally a rage filled rant which was just good for some catharsis if the film royally pissed you off (which it did for me) as well as a good laugh at times. Regardless of the ridiculous method of conveying criticism though, it was all pretty much on point. As you said, he did then follow up with a far more detailed and level headed break down of the whole movie and these two approaches pretty much defined his new channel and so he’s continued with that formula for the other movies.

In regards to this latest one for TROS, it’s definitely longer than normal but I think that is down to how much is compressed into TROS and how much is wrong with it, especially how it affects the saga at large. I don’t feel the “rage” was authentic here as it was in his TLJ rant, he is obviously pretty pissed at some things but more in an exasperated manner but moreover this one feels a bit more manufactured, especially his carefully crafted insults which after 1hr were really starting to get completely over the top and on the nose (and unnecessary, I think he’s really just trying to make the rant fit it’s own “unbridled rage” title and over doing it). All the points he makes though again sound completely on point, at least so far as I understand and from snippets of footage he has obviously pulled from a pirated source. You could say he nitpicks a lot as well (which could also be said of his massive critiques) but they again are on point and the sheer amount of them add up to the fact that the writers clearly have no real understanding of the IP they are working within.

Anyway this one wasn’t nearly as entertaining for me, more just sad as to the abysmal state the DT ended up at.

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#1316833
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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idir_hh said:

I hesitate to post this here as I’m not sure whether it’s legit or not…

I already posted a link to this in the TROS discussion thread and thought not to post it in here since it’s technically the review and opinion thread.

But yes, very controversial stuff and I think worth taking with a few grains of salt to maintain a healthy skepticism until it can be further corroborated or confirmed.

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#1316668
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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So a supposed insider at TROS production has apparently spilled the beans on a heap of behind the scenes chaos where it basically seems that JJ was creatively hobbled and the film fiddled with by corporates behind his back to the point he apparently yelled in one meeting that the movie might as well say “directed and written by Lucasfilm”. I don’t think the film he wanted to make would still be one I would enjoy or accept but this just seems like more credence to how poorly the whole DT has been managed and planned (or not planned at all):

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/

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#1316632
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Anchorhead said:

I liked how the scene with the Child looking over Mando’s shoulder as he’s flying away mirrored the flashback of Mando as a foundling looking over the rescuing Mandalorian’s shoulder. Both on the proper start to their new lives.

Yeah noticed that as well, was a nice touch. Almost like poetry… 😛

On another note, Alec Steele makes a plate of Imperial stamped Beskar: https://youtu.be/xcTv9jlh4zY