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#1314915
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Chapter 8 was pretty good but with the good parts working really well and the bad parts standing out like dogs balls.

I liked the overall plot but the way it was directed felt like it needed tightening up in a lot of places where the story just seemed to stall for ages so that certain dialogue could play out for dramatic effect while the tension built up in the previous scene made it feel like enemies should be coming down on them at any second yet minutes would pass during what instead should have been frantic exchanges with the enemy hot on their tail. Examples of this are:

  • The continued stand off from previous episode. Seriously what are they waiting for and why is Moff Gideon explaing everything so slowly and specifically to people he just wants dead so he can get Baby Yoda?

  • Speeder bike trooper comic exchange that went on forever (the humour here was appreciated but drawn out for far too long between troopers we dont know or care about while we are more wanting to know how our gang are fairing. It also got a bit to meta with all the badly aimed practice shooting, I was wondering if RJ or JJ had been consulted for this episode with the meta commentary and the sudden humour overload)

  • The setup of the EW gun which then wouldn’t be used till nightfall (giving our gang even more time to come up with a plan, escape into the night or sewer, get rescued, etc…for something to happen that would get them out of the situation)

  • The meetup with the female Mandalorian beskar blacksmith. What are the other stormtroopers doing? Union lunch break?

Some other issues I had:

  • The gang still had their guns, why didn’t they shoot the flamethrower trooper as he just waltzes into the building with the flamethrower resting on his shoulder as if there were no threat inside that was his job to eliminate?

  • Why did Mando need to lift the EW gun off it’s tripod when he simply could have rotated it (much quicker) and been much more effective again than he already was. The credits artwork actually shows him using it while still on the mount so I’m guessing it was a directing decision for dramatic effect but it comes off as a bit dumb honestly.

  • The bacta infusion seemed a bit convenient along with many of the other plot convenient features the IG unit had this episode but I ran with them. However Mando recovered far to quick for what IG said would take a few hours to heal and he was essentially back to full fighting form after what felt like only a short time, hanging onto a Tie trying to throw him off after he was supposedly near death and done for not half an hour ago.

  • The local guild leader Greef just lets Mando back into the guild as if nothing much really happened in the end, like going against the guild rules and killing many guild members along with all the others killed by the other Mandalorians was no big deal. I guess this lets the show runners get back into the episodic bounty hunter mission formula again for season 2 and beyond but it feels rather forced.

Overall though it was an enjoyable episode and a fitting season finale. Can’t wait for season 2!

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#1314888
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Yeah, it seems like the movie is implying that Sith cultists pulled Palpatine’s broken body from the wreckage of the Death Star, and whatever is left of Palpatine’s spirit is latched onto it. Palpatine is basically a lich, which makes sense if all the Banite Sith are actually just one Sith that possesses apprentice after apprentice.

This is more speculative, but maybe when Vader killed him, Palpatine tried to possess Vader, but failed. Instead, his spirit latched onto Vader’s armor/helmet. In the interim between ROTJ and TFA, Sith cultists retrieved Palpatine’s mangled corpse and the mask of Vader. Through a mix of mechanics, cloning tech and Sith alchemy, they were able to sustain his body enough for Palpatine’s spirit to reanimate it.

That would actually be a pretty cool and interesting way to bring him back (but still creates issues by having him come back), shame it’s not explained in the movie.

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#1314239
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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NFBisms said:

liamnotneeson said:

MalàStrana said:

Hal 9000 said:

I love Rey’s hair during her conversation with Kylo after they fight off the praetorian guards and the tug of war for the saber.

Best action scene of the ST. Great looking composition. Nice choregraphy. Might even be the best moment of the ST, where RJ was turning the tide… too bad the following half hour was kinda regressing after 2 hours of boldness.

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

I don’t buy that Star Wars is only a black and white, good-bad dichotomy, when Darth Vader has been one of the most driving forces in the franchise since 1980. It’s always been about choosing to do good over bad, but never at the expense of exploring how difficult it can be to do that. Or at least how easy it is to fall into doing otherwise. Luke has to reject his darkness at a pivotal moment in ROTJ, and Vader realizes that he can still choose - that his ability to do good isn’t as damned as he is. It’s not about good and bad people, it’s about choice.

TLJ says the exact same thing but expands upon those themes. That that struggle between good and bad is lifelong and eternal. That triumphing one moment in life doesn’t mean you don’t have to keep choosing over and over again. The line will only get more and more blurred, and it will only get easier to choose the dark. But you must continue. Every day. Being a hero isn’t a natural state of being. Nothing is. Poe can’t coast off good intentions, Finn can’t just be neutral, Luke can’t escape those choices.

If Darth Vader in ESB/ROTJ was about how being evil isn’t a state of being, then TLJ was a natural extension of that. Heroism comes from choosing not being.

Wow that was seriously a great post NFBisms. I still hate TLJ though sorry.

Also I am about 3/4 drunk right now. Merry Christmas everyone!

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#1313969
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Ok so I’m not posting this in here as any kind of commentary on TROS, just purely for comical reasons and because it technically includes a spoiler or two.

Palpatine’s Journey: https://youtu.be/1sFbLppuhhs

LOL!

Grandpa Palps above was meant to be funny to, I mean just look at that kindly old face doting upon his granddaughter XD

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#1313962
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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oojason said:
Some members are over-stepping the mark with their repeated criticisms - to the point of continuous negativity. Some have not seen the film, nor plan to, and stating why is perfectly acceptable. However, some are going far beyond this - seemingly going into related threads and making continued negative posts about content they have not seen, informing others here how awful the thing they hasn’t seen is… Some have seen it - and are doing similar…

Members here have left, are leaving, and considering leaving… whether temporarily or permanently… because of such repeated negativity from a few others on here - that is not going to continue.

If people can’t post in a civil manner here, nor have a modicum of respect for fellow members, and wish to spread their habitual agenda of negativity… they won’t be posting here at all - that goes for anyone.

This site is a vast one - and covers many aspects of Star Wars over a long, long time. There are many topics or issues to discuss - I suggest people find something they do actually enjoy posting about - rather than spending their considerable time and effort in repeatedly bashing or hating on films or the people who made them - and for some here who claim to not care about, or have not seen.

I believe that some of this is directed at me and fair enough if you feel that way though I didn’t I feel that I was spreading continuous negativity nor was it ever my intention to if you think I am.

There is a semi-crossover of conversation between the two spoiler threads, box office results thread and some supporting threads that I felt I was just organically replying to various posts that I felt I had something to say about or add to after making my initial posts on my opinion regarding the reception of the movie. I haven’t been able to get on OT.com much to the extent where I have time to reply often and quickly to an ongoing conversation so sometimes it probably does look like I’ve suddenly gone crazy posting in all these threads at once but it’s just me getting the chance to finally post that reply I wanted to hours ago or even the previous day, often there are multiple posts I want to reply to.

As indicated in my reply to Biggs, I don’t feel I am someone that would be saying anything in particular to make people leave and I find it odd they would choose to leave OT.com over some critical comments about TROS or the DT in a few specific threads out of the thousands on here.

The fact it seems I am restricted from posting further in here just because someone doesn’t like what I am saying doesn’t feel right. My more recent posts I actually thought were more lighthearted and the link to Thor was just a topic I thought was worth discussing since it’s an integral part of the Skywalker saga that TROS is supposed to conclude and whether you agree with Thor or not, he poses some good questions and has interesting discourse on many things Star Wars which I thought is what people like to do here.

I don’t feel that I have been uncivil once in here nor disrespectful to anyone in particular so at this point would it be fair for me to continue posting in here as just part of the normal course of conversation and if anyone feels I’m being unnecessarily negative, they can report my post which if you or another mod agree it is overstepping what is reasonable, then you can tap me on the shoulder via PM and I will gracefully exit the thread for a good while? I understood the warning at the start of the thread so like I said, I am not intentionally trying to create any trouble (not that I would otherwise want to anyway).

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#1313961
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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Biggs Audio Dynamite said:

Valheru_84 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The lore’s been broken since 1999. 1997, if we consider the SE “canon” at that point.

I don’t. DEs all the way! 😉

RogueLeader said:

I had a feeling this was going to be a Thor Skywalker video before I even opened it.

And the issue with that is? Why don’t you just try listening to an alternative opinion and make up your own mind at the end whether you agree or not or even just agree with some parts while discarding others. That’s all I do, I take new information or opinion on board, analyse it against my own view and go from there. Sometimes I dismiss it, other times it change’s my own opinion, often to a better and more informed one or one that isn’t so narrow in it’s scope anymore.

You spread repeated negativity across the forum on here - and not much else. You claim to hate TFA/TLJ and not be bothered with TROS - yet you repeatedly post negatively about the film on here - a lot.

People like yourself, who continue to post this type of content (depsite you not seeing the film?), are the reason others have left here in the past, others have left here recently, and others are thinking about leaving too.

It is way beyond ‘valid criticism’ or opinion - it is an agenda. Some have said it is ‘like a crusade’ and I laughed heard when I heard that - but they are probably correct, it is certainly appearing that way.

I am only surprised the moderators here continue to allow it.

Maybe you should open up your own ‘Valheru opinion’ thread and post your thoughts in there rather than pollute the forums with anything that aligns with your endless and negative agenda. And post the videos of youtubers well known for only not liking the new Star Wars films (and profit from that hating on the film and the people who make them) which you agree with, and want other people to also view - despite not having seen the film yourself.

I seem to keep finding myself in situations where I am partaking in discussion just like anyone else, sharing my opinion on various things and sometimes sharing content I find interesting and that I think has relevance to the topic, only for some individual to come out of the woodwork and start specifically attacking me. My general experience has been it is whenever I am criticising TLJ or the DT at large but instead of just responding to what I am saying about the topic, I am singled out and attacked.

People like me hey? I feel your post is entirely unnecessary and borderline insulting, especially in response to where I’m simply suggesting to be more open minded rather than instantly dismissive to what seems like a pretty neutral question posed by Thor. My last post before this one was about acknowledging Ady and I have polar views on the DT but it doesn’t mean we can’t still get along as Star Wars fans that both love the OT. Sure, many of my comments about TROS are negative, that’s just the way I feel about it and the DT at large and while the movie is freshly released there is going to be a lot of discussion around it and I have just as much right as anyone else to partake in it if I choose to.

No I haven’t seen the film but I’ve made this clear up front so people can make what they will of my opinion. I don’t feel I need to watch it, I’ve read the entire leaked plot which is all true and enough story and plot summaries via reviews to understand what the movie is and can extrapolate enough from JJ’s TFA and all the trailers of TROS I’ve seen to know it’s not necessarily worse than TLJ was in it’s specific way but it is probably worse in how bad it utterly fails to conclude the saga, let alone it’s own trilogy. You no doubt don’t share that opinion - no problem. Why is that a reason to leave the site? Who can you name that has left specifically because of me? They are just as free to express their own opinion that I may find distasteful but if I leave, that’s on me. I am not posting in anyway to try and push my view on anyone else, if they don’t like what I am saying why not just ignore it?

Below is an excerpt from my first post in the thread where I make a point of saying “at this point” and also point out the usual extreme reactions occurring. I feel that in most cases I am trying to be as fair and grounded as I can with the information I have and am not going out of my way to be negative, unfortunately that just happens to be my default emotion for the DT now until it gives me a reason to be positive.

Valheru_84 said:
I’ve watched a number of other reviews, read some as well and seen many people’s comments and it’s generally not a greatly received movie at this point. The common thread is mixed feelings and disappointment with the obvious shilling going on at one extreme and some outright unfounded hate at the other.

I don’t hate TFA, in one of my replies to Ady in the other thread I say that I generally enjoyed TFA and was excited for TLJ. We know what I thought of TLJ in the end and it retroactively makes TFA a worse movie for me but I don’t hate it and I don’t hate TROS, how can I when I haven’t seen it? But I do know there is almost a 100% chance I will not like it one bit and have a negative impact on myself so I chose not to see it but I am still interested in how it is being received and how it will affect Star Wars itself for the near and far future. I do however without a doubt hate TLJ.

I have no agenda past that of my own interest and love of Star Wars I have had for most of my life and the desire to talk about Star Wars with other people that are of the same disposition. Unfortunately the fanbase IS divided (many times over at this point) with some pretty strong opposing opinions in various sections of it but again I don’t see why that means we can’t get along in other respects or just be content to leave the other be.

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#1313771
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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I’m not saying you have to agree with me Ady, just trying to give you some insight into my point of view and why what people say external to here and usually the fandom as well in broad generalisations about Star Wars fans is wrong and from a place of misunderstanding, often purposeful to push their own “side”.

I’m sorry our views about the DT aren’t compatible, that’s just how I honestly feel about it and I think it’s great that it was able to restore your faith in Star Wars. This doesn’t change the fact that personally I wish it had never happened. The Mandalorian is mostly doing for me what the DT is doing for you and I can see a circumstance where you could hate Mando and we’d be in the same situation but it doesn’t stop us from still both enjoying other parts of Star Wars and getting along with each other.

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#1313719
Topic
<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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DuracellEnergizer said:

The lore’s been broken since 1999. 1997, if we consider the SE “canon” at that point.

I don’t. DEs all the way! 😉

RogueLeader said:

I had a feeling this was going to be a Thor Skywalker video before I even opened it.

And the issue with that is? Why don’t you just try listening to an alternative opinion and make up your own mind at the end whether you agree or not or even just agree with some parts while discarding others. That’s all I do, I take new information or opinion on board, analyse it against my own view and go from there. Sometimes I dismiss it, other times it change’s my own opinion, often to a better and more informed one or one that isn’t so narrow in it’s scope anymore.

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#1313716
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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yotsuya said:

MalàStrana said:

adywan said:

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

No, not really. Most people I know found it was the worst SW ever made.

Most people who have left a review on Rotten Tomatoes have liked it. It has 38,000 verified reviews to rank at 86% and more than 90,000 reviews total 78%. So maybe most you know, but not most people. Most people are liking it.

Yeah the 86% is highly suspicious at the moment with the growing feeling that RT have frozen the audience score which hasn’t even so much as twitched from 86% up or down since it first went live with around 6000 reviews at the time, till now with near 40,000. People are making the link with RT being owned by Fandango, a ticket sales company (including movies) that is aligned with making “strategic partnerships with movie studios” and the current President is an ex-Disney executive.

Fandango have also named Captain Marvel and Star Wars movies as high profile films that they introduced the new verified audience review feature to help protect from “trolls with agendas” and so there are obvious links and vested interests (or conflicts of interest you might say) between movie studios and the company that owns a movie review website that is becoming known for it’s bias.

ray_afraid said:

yotsuya said:

MalàStrana said:

adywan said:

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

No, not really. Most people I know found it was the worst SW ever made.

Rotten Tomatoes

Really?
I have no opinion of the film, but RT is rubbish. After the past two years it’s had, I’m surprised to hear anybody still trusting it, though I’m sure many do.

I to think many people (in general audiences) are simply unaware of what RT has become and still naively trust it’s figures. I’ve pretty much completely stopped reading most critic reviews anywhere and instead focus on audience, family and friend reviews/comments as they are always far more in line with my own views than any of the critic reviews I have ever read for many years now which often hold views that seem completely alien and disconnected from what I would consider normal well rounded people to hold.

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#1313699
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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adywan said:
Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

I can’t say I’m seeing the same. I don’t see it overwhelmingly either way, just a very mixed bag of reactions with the reactions themselves usually very mixed on the movie.

adywan said:
But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become. Fans openly wishing for these films to fail? Seriously? This place has now become everything it had always been accused of. It was bad enough when TLJ came out , but now it’s become a place i no longer enjoy visiting.

When the films leave you feeling insulted to be a Star Wars fan and your opinion is that these movies are destroying the legacy of what you’ve loved for up to 40+ years, then I can definitely understand people wanting the new films to fail.

Going into TLJ I was honestly excited from a generally enjoyable TFA (that needed a lot of questions answered and plot threads expanded upon) and some very good trailers. I wanted nothing but TLJ and the 3rd movie to massively succeed, to become part of the saga I loved and something I could revisit time and again and Disney would have made a bucket load of money as a result.

Sitting in the cinema only 15min in, what I ended up feeling was simple disbelief that I was watching a so called “Star Wars” movie? Was this real, did I accidentally walk into a new spoof movie of Star Wars screening at the same time? There were many times I felt I could almost see Rian Johnson’s hand with his middle finger raised facing me through the cinema screen, directed right at me and this ever more so when Luke flippantly tossed his lightsaber over his shoulder and proceeded to assassinate his own character. This is just how I felt sitting in the cinema, it was heartbreaking for me and I feel like I have been under a constant cloud of “Star Wars depression” ever since with it only starting to properly lift and be replaced with good new Star Wars memories again thanks to Jedi Fallen Order and The Mandalorian.

In saying all that, I didn’t want TROS and the DT to fail simply out of spite but at this point in events maybe it needs to fail spectacularly in order for future movies to do a complete reassess and present something truly deserving of the fandom, the world and Star Wars itself in respect to George and Lucasfilm’s 40+ year legacy. If you simply accept whatever is thrown your way then how can you expect them to ever aspire to greater things? For Star Wars to truly be great again in the current age, they need to exceed or at least be as good as the original and best Star Wars.

Bladerunner 2049 showed that this is possible with the right people and a passionate visionary behind them, focusing and driving for that exceedingly high but still attainable achievement and this same formula was necessary in the first place to set the bar that high. The DT certainly doesn’t feel like it has passionate Star Wars fans with a clear vision and plan running things which is clearly evident by the way it turned out with a very obvious tug of war over the trilogy narrative playing out on screen.

If you feel OT.com has become what some people say of the Star Wars fandom then I think you are completely missing all of the good things that IMHO far outweigh the bad and wherever you have a large group of people you will always have this mixture with everything in between. I hope you don’t decide to just leave, as your projects and input are part of what makes me enjoy visiting here. If the TROS and DT criticism in general frustrates you then I’d advise to just ignore it and focus on the areas that you do enjoy.

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#1313361
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Anchorhead said:
I rode my motorcycle instead.

Brilliant idea, will have to get mine out as well for a much needed escape from the world for a while 😃 (dual sport, so I go exploring remote bush trails and locations)

Anchorhead said:
Most likely, much more riding and a couple evenings of Ford vs Ferrari and A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood.

Ford vs Ferrari is properly awesome, if you generally like car / racing films especially some of the old ones like Steve McQueen’s Le Mans (1971) and Grand Prix (1966) then I’m sure you will love this movie. I’m sure a lot of the historic story has been dramatised for this adaptation to the big screen but it doesn’t feel massively over done or unbelievable. My only criticisms (without spoiling anything) is there’s a bit of an arbitrary phrase said at the start of the movie and repeated at the end that sounds a bit ‘Fast n Furious’-esque which feels a bit silly / out of place. I also feel like they missed out / forgot about showing the awesome craziness of the Mulsanne straight and the speeds they got up to along there even in those days.

Anchorhead said:
Truth be told, The Mandalorian is Star Wars for me now.

Same for me and with arguably the best episodes being directed by Deborah Chow, I really hope this is an indication of the quality we might expect for the Kenobi series.

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#1313348
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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NFBisms said:

Valheru_84 said:

NFBisms said:

I just don’t get it? Like, even if you didn’t like TLJ, it’d be better to at least try to follow up on that. What we got was transparently bad improv. Surely there was a better way to address the criticisms of the prior movie, while also doing something else that could feel like a continuation of it. Anything else!

As someone who loves TLJ, it’s honestly baffling. I mean, I had fun, but for all the wrong reasons. TROS was just ridiculous to me. I think I honestly would have hated it, if it wasn’t so cavalier in its capitalistic cynicism, honestly to the point of unintentional humor.

From Palpatine’s reappearance in the crawl, to when Rey was about to say “Rey Skywalker” I was laughing at how soulless and corrupt it dared to be. It was so shameless about everything it did. It reveled in it. I had fun watching the film eat itself alive. You could just see the puppeteers of every faux-emotional moment straining themselves, as well as you could their strings tied hastily to Carrie’s rotting corpse as a marionette. They couldn’t justify the existence of these movies at all.

Everything truly interesting and meaningful about the sequel trilogy was discarded in favor of what? Nothing here was genuine or good*. I’m only holding onto the idea that they made it as comically hollow as they did out of spite.

*well, save for babu frik. and genuinely threepio’s best movie imo

As someone that hates TLJ, I agree it is very odd to not logically follow on from TLJ at this point with TROS to try and salvage a narrative that could span at least 2 consecutive movies instead of this weird convoluted patchwork / director tug of war you get going on that ultimately makes the entire Disney Trilogy a pointless mess. Obviously they heard many of the criticisms aimed at TLJ but failed to understand the impact and lasting fallout from them which was that many fans have become outright apathetic to Star Wars altogether or entirely dismissive of the Disney Trilogy and you were never going to get them back into cinema seats anyway so why pander to their TLJ criticism to the point that you make the movie irrelevant to it’s own trilogy?

I like your line about watching the film eat itself alive and for me, I’d apply that to TLJ as well due to how meta it is. The whole trilogy is so self aware that it literally comes off at this stage as a spoof than any kind of respectful continuation to Lucas’s legacy.

This might veer a little off topic, but the biggest difference between TLJ and TROS for me is that their meta-natures come from different places. TLJ does it in earnest. Johnson is aware of our expectations, but basically begs the audience to scrutinize his work because there is something there. The result may be unwieldly but it’s not soulless. For as much as people say it ruins the originals’ legacy, it’s really just putting the same understood conventions under new thematic tests - by the end reinforcing Star Wars’ ideals of heroism and redemption through perhaps a now stronger, humanistic lens. He broke some rules, introduced some logical quandaries, but it came from a good place. And even if you disagree with his vision, I still felt like Johnson had a reverence for the franchise that permeated the film. Basically saying: This is why Star Wars matters, and how we make it matter moving forward. Like the capability for good in TLJ, Star Wars doesn’t have to be an exclusive club. It’s not a perfectly realized vision by any means, but the self awareness served a thematic purpose. Johnson’s vision at the very least had integrity.

TROS willingly shuns anything TLJ said that might justify why a sequel trilogy should exist, to vaguely placate fans. It doesn’t make any decision based on what it could mean or say about anything. Any exploration of why we should care is forgone to tie us onto a moving rollercoaster, with a villain audiences already know. The self-awareness is used as winks and nods. You can practically hear the “fuck it, this is what they want right?” It’s a product designed entirely by talking points we’ve all heard over and over again in the past two years. It’s cynical and manipulative. Where TLJ had a beating heart and lungs, TROS is barely a Frankenstein of calculated choices.

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the ride that was TROS - probably more than my initial TLJ viewing - but it wasn’t because it was any good. It was so tenaciously cynical that I couldn’t help but enjoy how low it was willing to go to earn its paycheck.

Firstly, I edited my post to correctly say “consecutive movies” as I meant to and not “concurrent” 😉

Secondly, I somewhat agree with you on TLJ but he went about it in completely the wrong way and many will never understand or even sniff any hint of your POV due to how insulted they felt by what they watched. Also any integrity Johnson’s approach had was thrown out by his seemingly endless need to subvert expectations for what felt simply the sake of doing it at the expense of maintaining any sort consistent tone, emotionally invested reaction or logic to the overall story and tie-in to the universe it wanted to exist within.

Regarding TROS, I am seeing the “fuck it” worked into many discussions all over the place so I think many people feel JJ took his own words quite literally when he said “fuck it, I’m going to do the thing that feels right”.

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#1313338
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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Hal 9000 said:

So, Ash, it sounds like you’re essentially saying this is a “Good-bad” movie, one enjoyable for being balls-to-the-wall bad.

What say you to the idea that trying to hold 9 alongside 7 and 8 makes them make no sense? In other words, must one divest themselves of investment in this particular story to then be able to enjoy the ‘fuck it’ approach?

So I’ve seen your Homer response already (LMAO) to editing the movie but I did have an idea I was thinking of creating a thread for in the fan edit area, if not for myself (as the Disney Trilogy might as well never have happened for me to continue enjoying the original saga) then for those that didn’t like TLJ and find it hard to reconcile the DT as a result with JJ’s two separate entries. I thought instead though just to post the idea here to see what you thought and leave for someone else to take on board if they think it has merit.

Basically I wondered if it would be worthwhile to edit both TFA and TROS into one single movie or maybe two or three new fan edit movies (together without any editing their runtimes total 277min which could become three 1.5hr movies if all the footage were to be used) or any other split up you could imagine, maybe even including TLJ in a super edit much like some people have edited the entire PT into one movie. But the original basic idea was to mix TFA and TROS together to make a single much more cohesive narrative that could be viewed in a standalone sense much like RO and Solo are.

Anyway, take it or leave it. It’s of no consequence to me but thought some others might see merit and use in it 😃

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#1313331
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

Valheru_84 said:

NeverarGreat said:

I liked it.

NeverarGreat said:

The crawl lands like a passenger airline on an L.A. expressway and crashes into the first scene, killing everyone. I don’t know if Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren or helping them kill some other people and I don’t think it matters. What matters is that while rooting around in the garbage behind Rian’s apartment JJ also managed to rescue the pieces of Kylo’s mask and welded them back together with his own blood. An alien tells R2 via SATA cable that Sheeve is back and has to outrun some TIE fighters, but makes them so mad that they forget they can’t go into Hyperspace for a minute, but they can’t catch the Falcon because it has gone so fast that it is on fire.

Meanwhile Rey is in the jungle with too much Force power and little by little is going insane.

Everyone decides to get out of the jungle and go to the desert to find a magical D4 or a dagger or something that leads to Sheeve. Rey gets a nice necklace from an alien and then has it immediately stolen by Kylo despite him not being there, and who is apparently jealous that someone else is giving her jewelry. They find the Horcrux after conquering Devil’s Snare and befriending the Basilisk, but it is stolen by some bad Quiddich players who also make off with its bearer, Chewbacca. Rey shoots spells at them and blows them up and is sad about killing Chewie, whom she doesn’t sense in the transport during any of this despite that being something she can do effortlessly.

Kylo flies straight at Rey with an entire spaceship and loses. This is the most normal part of the scene.

Anyway, C-3PO needs to nuke his hard drive to read some Black Speech and to do that they need a hacker, so they go to a planet where the First Order is harvesting babies to meet Poe’s old buddy Mask Lady and her puppet friend. Mask Lady has a medallion that makes the First Order act extra stupid for one scene and gives it to Poe, who immediately spends it, and this makes Hux stupid for the rest of his dumb life. It also allows our heroes to rescue Chewie, who was only dead inside, and also steal the dagger from the prop department before they could finish it.

The Falcon crashes onto Endor because it has no landing gear and is too tired at this point to hover.

Rey goes to the complex of Extremely Expensive and Devastating Distractions (E2-D2) and is distracted by an evil version of herself into rolling a 1 on her magic D4, causing it to be picked up by Kylo who then fights her. She rolls another 1, and is defeated. Leia must spend her last action on an E2-D2, and when Kylo rolls to save he is defeated as well. Rey has a free action which she uses to heal Kylo, then takes the D4 and Kylo’s second spaceship to Luke’s island, where it bursts into flames. It is unclear whether this is simply how Kylo’s spaceships are designed to land.

Luke demands that Rey leave and throws his gross, waterlogged spaceship at her.

Rey finally faces Sheeve, champing at the bit to finally kill this monster. Sheeve gleefully cackles that he wants Rey to kill him so that his consciousness may flow into her and he will be immortal, and then checks himself with a ‘shit, did I really say that out loud’ expression. This ruins his whole plan.

Meanwhile, Rose, Finn and Jannah.

Meanwhile there are many Star Destroyers and, in keeping with their namesake, each one is capable of destroying an entire planet.

Meanwhile, the Falcon visits approximately 1,138 planets on its newly installed Recruitment Drive.

Kylo reminds everyone that he is still in the movie but he has foolishly thrown away his lightsaber after hallucinating an image of his dead father. Luckily, Rey has an extra one from where Luke was throwing things at her, and distracts the editor long enough to phase between locations and give it to him. They both face Sheeve, who drains them of their will to live and then gets to work on their life force. He throws Kylo down a big pit, knowing that this will surely kill him.

There is a cavalry charge on top of a spaceship. This is the most normal part of the scene.

Meanwhile, Klaud.

I forget how Sheeve dies. I blame Klaud. Maybe Klaud did it. Maybe he did all of this. I don’t know anymore.

Rey dies. Kylo emerges from the pit and brings Rey back to life at the cost of his own. Rey, upon awakening and seeking Kylo dead, brings Kylo back to life at the cost of her own. This continues for some time. They kiss. One of them dies, I don’t care which.

At the end there is a funeral for Snap Wexley and he posthumously gets the medal intended for Chewie. There are cheers and warm embraces, all live in the light of a new day for this, the galaxy reborn. The yoke of the First Order, which has lain heavy across much of the galaxy for a few weeks, has been lifted. The Rule of Palpatine, which lasted for thirty years and eight hours, is ended forever. Bask in this light, galaxy of peace.

Rey gets a yellow lightsaber. The camera falls to the ground, where it continues recording for several seconds.

One of these quotes is sarcastic as hell, from my understanding of the movie though I’m not sure which one it is…

Both statements are quite true. I liked it despite how it was a cavalcade of nonsense. I think ChainsawAsh and I liked it for similar reasons, actually. There is no serious defense of it. It’s just something that can’t be taken too seriously.

Fair enough and yeah it sounds like Ash has a very similar opinion. Essentially enjoyed it for what it is but don’t try and think too much into it in regards to pre-Disney Star Wars lest it become nonsensical.

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Hal 9000 said:

I feel like TFA and especially TLJ have enough merit to include, and I’ve invested a great deal into each. It ends with the death and figurative rebirth of the main hero, ending on a meta-reflection about people being impacted by the stories.

But, doesn’t it leave the plot unresolved? Not really, since the ST sets up the idea that empires and rebellions will continue to cycle around one another endlessly, anyway. No matter where you end the plot, the themes of TLJ are where they end with meaning.

I can understand this in a way as TLJ actually felt like a conclusion to the trilogy with nothing left for the 3rd movie to go on with, not in any logical sense anyway without taking at least a 5+ year time leap into the future.

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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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NFBisms said:

I just don’t get it? Like, even if you didn’t like TLJ, it’d be better to at least try to follow up on that. What we got was transparently bad improv. Surely there was a better way to address the criticisms of the prior movie, while also doing something else that could feel like a continuation of it. Anything else!

As someone who loves TLJ, it’s honestly baffling. I mean, I had fun, but for all the wrong reasons. TROS was just ridiculous to me. I think I honestly would have hated it, if it wasn’t so cavalier in its capitalistic cynicism, honestly to the point of unintentional humor.

From Palpatine’s reappearance in the crawl, to when Rey was about to say “Rey Skywalker” I was laughing at how soulless and corrupt it dared to be. It was so shameless about everything it did. It reveled in it. I had fun watching the film eat itself alive. You could just see the puppeteers of every faux-emotional moment straining themselves, as well as you could their strings tied hastily to Carrie’s rotting corpse as a marionette. They couldn’t justify the existence of these movies at all.

Everything truly interesting and meaningful about the sequel trilogy was discarded in favor of what? Nothing here was genuine or good*. I’m only holding onto the idea that they made it as comically hollow as they did out of spite.

*well, save for babu frik. and genuinely threepio’s best movie imo

As someone that hates TLJ, I agree it is very odd to not logically follow on from TLJ at this point with TROS to try and salvage a narrative that could span at least 2 consecutive movies instead of this weird convoluted patchwork / director tug of war you get going on that ultimately makes the entire Disney Trilogy a pointless mess. Obviously they heard many of the criticisms aimed at TLJ but failed to understand the impact and lasting fallout from them which was that many fans have become outright apathetic to Star Wars altogether or entirely dismissive of the Disney Trilogy and you were never going to get them back into cinema seats anyway so why pander to their TLJ criticism to the point that you make the movie irrelevant to it’s own trilogy?

I like your line about watching the film eat itself alive and for me, I’d apply that to TLJ as well due to how meta it is. The whole trilogy is so self aware that it literally comes off at this stage as a spoof than any kind of respectful continuation to Lucas’s legacy.

Edit: I meant “consecutive movies” when I accidentally wrote “concurrent movies”.

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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

I liked it.

NeverarGreat said:

The crawl lands like a passenger airline on an L.A. expressway and crashes into the first scene, killing everyone. I don’t know if Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren or helping them kill some other people and I don’t think it matters. What matters is that while rooting around in the garbage behind Rian’s apartment JJ also managed to rescue the pieces of Kylo’s mask and welded them back together with his own blood. An alien tells R2 via SATA cable that Sheeve is back and has to outrun some TIE fighters, but makes them so mad that they forget they can’t go into Hyperspace for a minute, but they can’t catch the Falcon because it has gone so fast that it is on fire.

Meanwhile Rey is in the jungle with too much Force power and little by little is going insane.

Everyone decides to get out of the jungle and go to the desert to find a magical D4 or a dagger or something that leads to Sheeve. Rey gets a nice necklace from an alien and then has it immediately stolen by Kylo despite him not being there, and who is apparently jealous that someone else is giving her jewelry. They find the Horcrux after conquering Devil’s Snare and befriending the Basilisk, but it is stolen by some bad Quiddich players who also make off with its bearer, Chewbacca. Rey shoots spells at them and blows them up and is sad about killing Chewie, whom she doesn’t sense in the transport during any of this despite that being something she can do effortlessly.

Kylo flies straight at Rey with an entire spaceship and loses. This is the most normal part of the scene.

Anyway, C-3PO needs to nuke his hard drive to read some Black Speech and to do that they need a hacker, so they go to a planet where the First Order is harvesting babies to meet Poe’s old buddy Mask Lady and her puppet friend. Mask Lady has a medallion that makes the First Order act extra stupid for one scene and gives it to Poe, who immediately spends it, and this makes Hux stupid for the rest of his dumb life. It also allows our heroes to rescue Chewie, who was only dead inside, and also steal the dagger from the prop department before they could finish it.

The Falcon crashes onto Endor because it has no landing gear and is too tired at this point to hover.

Rey goes to the complex of Extremely Expensive and Devastating Distractions (E2-D2) and is distracted by an evil version of herself into rolling a 1 on her magic D4, causing it to be picked up by Kylo who then fights her. She rolls another 1, and is defeated. Leia must spend her last action on an E2-D2, and when Kylo rolls to save he is defeated as well. Rey has a free action which she uses to heal Kylo, then takes the D4 and Kylo’s second spaceship to Luke’s island, where it bursts into flames. It is unclear whether this is simply how Kylo’s spaceships are designed to land.

Luke demands that Rey leave and throws his gross, waterlogged spaceship at her.

Rey finally faces Sheeve, champing at the bit to finally kill this monster. Sheeve gleefully cackles that he wants Rey to kill him so that his consciousness may flow into her and he will be immortal, and then checks himself with a ‘shit, did I really say that out loud’ expression. This ruins his whole plan.

Meanwhile, Rose, Finn and Jannah.

Meanwhile there are many Star Destroyers and, in keeping with their namesake, each one is capable of destroying an entire planet.

Meanwhile, the Falcon visits approximately 1,138 planets on its newly installed Recruitment Drive.

Kylo reminds everyone that he is still in the movie but he has foolishly thrown away his lightsaber after hallucinating an image of his dead father. Luckily, Rey has an extra one from where Luke was throwing things at her, and distracts the editor long enough to phase between locations and give it to him. They both face Sheeve, who drains them of their will to live and then gets to work on their life force. He throws Kylo down a big pit, knowing that this will surely kill him.

There is a cavalry charge on top of a spaceship. This is the most normal part of the scene.

Meanwhile, Klaud.

I forget how Sheeve dies. I blame Klaud. Maybe Klaud did it. Maybe he did all of this. I don’t know anymore.

Rey dies. Kylo emerges from the pit and brings Rey back to life at the cost of his own. Rey, upon awakening and seeking Kylo dead, brings Kylo back to life at the cost of her own. This continues for some time. They kiss. One of them dies, I don’t care which.

At the end there is a funeral for Snap Wexley and he posthumously gets the medal intended for Chewie. There are cheers and warm embraces, all live in the light of a new day for this, the galaxy reborn. The yoke of the First Order, which has lain heavy across much of the galaxy for a few weeks, has been lifted. The Rule of Palpatine, which lasted for thirty years and eight hours, is ended forever. Bask in this light, galaxy of peace.

Rey gets a yellow lightsaber. The camera falls to the ground, where it continues recording for several seconds.

One of these quotes is sarcastic as hell, from my understanding of the movie though I’m not sure which one it is…