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#1312697
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JJ's style and shaky cam in TFA and TROS
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Great post Neverar! And whatever the technical definition of “shaky cam” is, I understand what RU.08 is getting at and agree it gets old pretty fast when it’s employed constantly.

Without having even seen TROS I would hazard to guess the movie image is almost continually moving which would contribute a lot to its feel of a frenzied pace.

It’s not saying the technique is bad, like every tool it has it’s time and place, the right job for the tool but for JJ it feels like a crutch he’s become to reliant on.

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#1312346
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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Audience scores have released on RT.com at a surprising 86% after nearly 6700 reviews while the critic rating remains at 58% after now 291 reviews. Not an awesome rating from the audience but pretty good considering the initial bad signs due to the critics and initial reports. The audience rating could still swing a lot either way with it being pretty far off the near 300,000 reviews for TLJ.

Nonetheless it doesn’t change my views on the movie though it is interesting to basically see the ratings almost flipped compared to TLJ and it really just shows how out of touch the critics are with the actual audience.

Something else I also found interesting is what Roz Weston from ET Canada said regarding The Mandalorian basically taking away any anxiety he had going into TROS as Star Wars is already saved (by Mando and a particular character in it). This answers (at least from his perspective) a question asked in another thread here on whether Mando would affect your view / enjoyment of TROS and this seems like a pretty legitimate viewpoint that others may also share. This guy originally went to town on TLJ with his live review on mainstream TV (https://youtu.be/ZQ8ir66M5XU) but for TROS despite a number of noted issues he genuinely enjoyed it and left feeling satisfied.

Below is the quote regarding what he said about The Mandalorian and the video itself for his review of TROS. The quote does contain a minor spoiler for Mando though it’s been all over the internet for weeks now so I’m sure most are well aware of it but I’ve used spoiler tags all the same:

MANDALORIAN SPOILER

Around 8:35
“…I do think that my anxiety and expectations were much lower going into this (TROS) because I love The Mandalorian so much. This movie, TROS didn’t have to save Star Wars, because Baby Yoda already did that!”

https://youtu.be/wRJL46wWfUY

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#1312028
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Really enjoyed chapter 7 and looking forward very much to the season finale.

Here’s a few covers on the Mando theme which are all awesome in their own right but my favourites would have to be the 80s retro one and all the acoustic guitar covers which just suit the theme so well:

Mando main theme classical guitar cover - https://youtu.be/90ab6rIGpSY

Mando meets metal - https://youtu.be/glSkVC4agWA

Mando 80s retro synthwave cover - https://youtu.be/7zDkniNTeZg

Mando guitar cover - https://youtu.be/ucLz1RoevfM

Mando fingerstyle guitar cover - https://youtu.be/EgASdhgPXhw

Mando 8 bit theme - https://youtu.be/nQ53g6hOFYc

Mando piano cover - https://youtu.be/mdw8m5PFoT0

Mando epic theme orchestration (pretty awesome) - https://youtu.be/tt1EqFY_uqk

and another well done “epic version” orchestration -
https://youtu.be/wbVe647UxGA

Here is the actual official theme for anyone that hasn’t looked it up yet and because it’s awesome 😃

https://youtu.be/xXp4GnC1Z3Q

It looks like even all the music for each chapter / episode can be found in this channel’s album playlists, it’s all there!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7Y4vzaRirT7D4XSmysa_i2AEtZ9_0-b8

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#1311884
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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So with this review from Jeremy Jahns and two of Disney’s biggest shills calling it a bad movie, one even saying it was “heartbreaking” (possibly because they defended TLJ so hard which TROS reportedly is a massive slap in it and Rian’s face with the apparent fact that you could completely skip watching TLJ in Disney’s trilogy without any impact to the story between TFA and TROS) it definitely sounds like the disaster every confirmed leak made it sound like it was going to be and I’m so glad I’m not bothering to catch it on the big screen (only the second time that I can say that about a Star Wars movie, the first was Solo)…

https://youtu.be/Hobn57uzQlk

I’ve watched a number of other reviews, read some as well and seen many people’s comments and it’s generally not a greatly received movie at this point. The common thread is mixed feelings and disappointment with the obvious shilling going on at one extreme and some outright unfounded hate at the other.

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#1311397
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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So KK recently announced that the trilogy format for Star Wars movies will end with TROS. Doesn’t necessarily mean Rian is never going to make another SW movie but that’s a pretty solid torpedo to that SW trilogy of his that used to be such a sure thing…

Good, IMHO he should never touch Star Wars again after TLJ. Saying that, I enjoyed Looper and Knives Out genuinely sounds like a good movie but I just think he has no business with Star Wars and never should have had to begin with in retrospect after what he decided to do with it and the way he handled fan criticism afterwards.

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#1310705
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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“Yoddler” ha ha, nice one.

Now the reason I came in here: Baby Yoda - Toto Africa

https://youtu.be/zbA62fvGGyw

Oh and The Mandalorian has been fraking great so far as a whole. Parts of some episodes have been properly awesome while some others only OK but that’s a whole lot better still than I can say for most of the ST. At long last I feel like I’m actually watching proper Star Wars again and it’s so good just for that one aspect.

Just finished watching chapter 6 earlier tonight, felt like another filler again but still some great moments and nice nods to the OT which I feel often ride a fine line between just being consistent to the galaxy the story exists in and fan service. Even when it feels more like fan service though, it’s not being pushed in your face in a “hey remember this from the OT/PT!?” kind of way.

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#1307834
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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DominicCobb said:

My guess is, aside from the haters online

The Mandalorian & Jedi: Fallen Order show us there are no “haters”, only Star Wars Fans
https://youtu.be/OJ_tFpJy1Uk

DominicCobb said:
It’s the finale, and they’re going balls out, which will be an enticing curiosity even to those who haven’t liked the last two.

Care less I could not about seeing TROS in cinema. Free to air TV will be fine, it is not the movie I am looking forward to but watch it once I will to see how the Disney trilogy concludes and then promptly try to forget about it.

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#1304315
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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I don’t consider myself a “hardcore” fan but to my friends and family I’m sure I appear so. At this point I dont care about Star Wars from a franchise perspective (and I don’t think I ever really did) but simply that I love the unaltered OT, greatly enjoy much of the PT and parts of the original EU as I start to try some of it out in a search for new Star Wars content that lines up with what feels like the Star Wars I know and grew up with.

I was never a blind consumer of all and everything simply branded Star Wars and as such had never even looked at the EU until after the utter disappointment of TLJ and the ST in general. To this day I have tried and cannot get into the Clone Wars series.

So call me what you will in regards to my level of fan commitment to Star Wars but I will not be seeing TROS in cinemas and The Mandalorian has and will have no impact on changing that stance which is strictly down to my views and experiences with the ST itself.

That’s not to say I’m anti all Disney Star Wars but I am very sceptical at this point. I won’t ever watch Solo but love Rogue One and I want to enjoy the Mandalorian for what appears to be a solid return to the look, feel and quality that I associate with my loved OT and simply hope I’m not reminded to often or strongly of the ST when watching it.

I do believe as well that both The Mandalorian and Kenobi series are repurposed preproductions of the anthology films they were meant to be before Iger put them and all further ones on ice. This was just recently confirmed for Kenobi which will be a 6 episode mini series “retooled” from a feature film and I think the retooling is true as well for the Mandalorian from a Boba Fett feature film.

I haven’t seen it specifically mentioned on here yet either but Iger was quoted a couple of days ago that all future Star Wars films after TROS are “going on hiatus”. I don’t know what that means for the Star Wars movie that Kevin Feige was apparently lined up to be working on for I think a 2021 release (I guess it’s off?) but if that’s final confirmation that Johnson has lost his trilogy then it’s good news for my ears 😃 (and Ill be the first to tell you I was originally very interested in his trilogy ideas before TLJ).

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#1303004
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New Star Wars films to be produced and written by D. Benioff &amp; D.B. Weiss <strong>(Cancelled)</strong>
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Rodney-2187 said:

Game Of Thrones Duo David Benioff & D.B. Weiss Exit Trilogy

https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-setback-game-of-thrones-duo-david-benioff-d-b-weiss-exit-trilogy-1202771184/

Thank christ for that! After the way GoT ended not to mention the obvious drop in writing quality and general issues over the last 2-3 seasons when they had no books to adapt from, I seriously didn’t want them anywhere near a script for Star Wars.

Also the last word I heard on RJ’s trilogy is that after many months of him steadfastly confirming it was still happening and in preparation, his tone at a recent interview has changed to “if” it is still happening. Before TLJ I was intrigued with the premise for his trilogy but now I’d be happy for him to not touch another Star Wars movie ever again.

At this point I see TV series like Mandalorian and Kenobi as the way forward for Star Wars and possibly starting to heal the rift TLJ and the ST at large has caused. I am neutrally interested to know what Fiege’s movie will be about though.

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#1303003
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - Star Wars live action TV series : <strong>Non Spolier</strong> thread
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Was increasingly excited for this series in a hopeful way but hearing it will explore the origins of the First Order really killed most of that excitement and I’m just clinging to hope that maybe it’s just one episode that delves into it with only the very occasional random reference here and there. If it’s part of the central story arc then this series is in the bin for me before it even started…

I do agree though, THIS looks and feels like OT Star Wars so I am very hopeful I can watch it without being constantly reminded of the ST.

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#1303001
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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If the recently updated plot leaks are true then TROS will somehow actually be worse than TLJ, at least insofar as the writing of the story and characters.

Can’t wait for TROS to release to DVD, watch it once out of morbid curiousity and then try to forget the ST altogether for the rest of my life…

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#1294325
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

It seemed like most people figured it was a vision, and there are still people speculating otherwise despite this news, and will continue to. That is interesting they decided to edit it, I don’t think it was really necessary to do so. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah I myself also felt like others that it was very likely a vision but the fact its effectively confirmed now takes a good bit of wind out of the sails of any exciting speculation and discussion they probably hoped to stoke from showing the footage. There will still be questions as to what the vision means for the story but the big talking point was obviously supposed to be if Rey somehow turns to the dark side.

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#1294317
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

Your posts continue to astound, as always.

You’re the one continuing to debate the person instead of the point.

Don’t mind me.

If anyone else wants to continue down the line of “it’s not a trailer”, you’re pretty much arguing semantics at this point as with new footage ending with the title and release month it services exactly as a teaser trailer either way even if not officially released as one.

Yeah, that’s not the point. It’s a marketing reel. Who gives a shit. The forensic analysis is asinine.

Before I attempt to stave off filling this thread with any more completely off topic replies, I will simply point out that it was yourself who came out of the woodwork just to specifically have a go at me.

So are you saying Disney would not use OT nostalgia AT ALL to try and bolster interest in the franchise they now own? That would be extremely naive and points more to you just needing to be opposed to anything I say despite what is an obvious given in terms of prudent business practice.

My point is that the level of nostalgia is far beyond what is logically and obviously expected, such that it points to other reasons to bait people’s interest in these movies through heavy use of nostalgia and the cinematic inbreeding Dre so concisely articulated has and continues to happen.

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#1294311
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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DominicCobb said:

Your posts continue to astound, as always.

You’re the one continuing to debate attack the person instead of arguing the point.

If anyone else wants to continue down the line of “it’s not a trailer”, you’re pretty much arguing semantics at this point as with new footage ending with the title and release month it services exactly as a teaser trailer either way even if not officially released as one.

Edit: To update my post after you updated yours.

DominicCobb said:
(time it out if you want, you’ll just be missing the point in a rush to prove your deluded nonsense)

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#1294306
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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DominicCobb said:

Here’s your problem buddy, it’s not a “trailer” at all. Just a convention sneak peek. Love that we’re timing videos now to figure out how much “nostalgia” is included.

I clearly have not ever been your “buddy” since we crossed paths long ago so maybe drop the condescending pretense and just keep replies neutrally on point so as not to make the discussion personal?

The video contains new footage of the unreleased movie and ends with the title and a release month. Id term that a trailer like many others reposting it on Youtube and referencing it are. You could say it’s a sizzle real combined with a new teaser trailer if you wanted but my points about appealing to nostalgia to try and build interest for the final installment still stands.

And yes, I need to provide timings if I want to refute someone’s assertion that my initial general comments on the runtime proportions are just down to the saga trilogy proportions which the timings clearly show a major discrepancy in this logic. I didn’t initially sit there and count it out but watching a new 2min video about TROS where nearly the first minute is just all OT and a bit of PT footage just screams of having no faith in the new trilogy being able to stand on it’s own to generate a safe level of interest to make the kind of profit they’re after.

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#1294300
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Looks like the beans have already been spilled on “Dark Rey” by a slip up on the official Star Wars website which refers to the scene as a “vision” and has since edited the text to read “sight” instead.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a28833977/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-dark-rey-evil-spoiler-website-vision/

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#1294298
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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adywan said:

Valheru_84 said:

I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.

So a 9 film saga trailer (even though its more of a sizzle reel exclusively for D23), that shows clips from the films in release order (ending with new clips from Ep9) , uses a third of its runtime to show the OT (3 films out of 9 turns out to be a third 😉 ) and this is supposed to show how Disney is constantly trying to appeal to nostalgia?

Yes as generally trailers for movies mostly show footage for the actual movie it’s for. It’s been obvious from the start that Disney are leaning extremely heavily on OT nostalgia and this is just the super obvious cherry on top.

Regarding the 1/3 argument (3 out of 9 movies), the PT would also need to take 1/3 of the runtime if that were the case instead of just 1/10. The actual footage lengths are around:

OT - ~43sec (including the opening OT music)
PT - 12sec
ST - 1min ~5sec (excluding “DECEMBER”)

If this was a “saga trailer” as you term it and not a massive appeal to nostalgia then it would indeed make sense to split the footage somewhat equally but such is not the case with the feature film taking the largest piece with the OT not far behind and the PT getting a cursory glimpse.

I understand Dre wants to get this thread back on topic so Ill keep replying in another thread if one is started.

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#1294214
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.

Disney are pushing a very mixed message in obviously wanting to sell their new, young cast of characters (often at the expense of the old beloved OT characters), even pushing a literal 4th wall message in TLJ with “let the past die…” but are so afraid of not getting enough bums on cinema seats that they’ll use the OT at every chance they get, knowing it is what everyone already loves and gets people’s attention. So you get this weird circular behaviour of “forget about your old, tired and failed heroes and look at our new awesome young and diverse heroes out to actually save the day” all the while playing out the same plot points of the OT with a few jumbled up for good measure and shoving all this imagery and references of the OT in your face while someone like Rian claims to be breaking new artistic ground because he shoehorned some manufactured bait and switches into Star Wars.

Because the ST is so referential of the OT, in many ways it is literally a pale shadow of the originals that has been lazily twisted and skewed to try and make it look different.

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#1292451
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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If the leak in this article has any validity then it sounds like TROS will be the third ST movie to continue with the soft reboot / remake in repeating and reusing many plot points and elements from the OT, in particular ROTJ for what this article talks about which is essentially ANOTHER Death Star but as a ship this time (still thats going on four! Or FIVE if you’re just talking about the use of “Death Star tech”) that can at the least take out whole continents or possibly even up to whole planets again as it reportedly has the same power level of the first DS.

Apparently it even has a trench in its design for what would be the third trench run now, though to be mimicking ROTJ they would need to fly into the ship in order to destroy it.

https://movieweb.com/rise-of-skywalker-onager-star-destroyer-star-wars/