Valheru_84

DrDre said:

Jonno said:

RogueLeader said:

As far as her powers go, I’m under the impression that the Force has literally awakened in the ST. I don’t think it is a static, non-changing energy field. Every Force-user in the ST, including Rey, are capable of powers we have never seen before until now, and I think the Force itself is playing a part in it, hence The Force Awakens. Could they have made it more nuanced or something? Sure, maybe, but it doesn’t ruin the movies for me. I’m satisfied with that and have moved on.

Yes, this seems to have come about because the current filmmakers are telling two new stories (in the films) at the same time: a character whose inherent affinity with the force is stronger than we’ve seen before, and a force-using protagonist who happens to be female.

I don’t think this accurately describes the situation. What the filmmakers have done is introduce a character that no longer obeys pre-existing and well established lore by being able to perform acts that previously could only be performed by individuals who were trained in the ways of the Force. This in of itself does not have to be an issue, if the concepts behind it are well established. However, TFA gives practically no explanation for Rey’s sudden Force abilities, leading to a host of fan theories that explain her abilities by some hidden past. While TLJ only hints at an explanation with darkness rises and light to meet it, as if it was an already established concept. Meanwhile neither Luke or Yoda recognize Rey’s unique status, and just treat her as the next Jedi in line. So, we end up with a character who follows a similar trajectory as Luke or Anakin ending up confronting the big bad in a throne room setting, while the story largely glosses over the explanation of how she is able to perform these amazing feats. In addition the fact that Rey is able to turn on God-mode at her convenience is criticized by many as detrimental to her character, and defies what many consider to be good storytelling.

Now being a critic of this aspect of the ST myself I’ve seen many analyses of Rey’s character, and rarely have I run into a critic who dislikes Rey simply because she is a female. In fact this is a line of thought that usually comes from those that wish to put critics of the ST into a bad light. The argument more often than not follows the predictable trajectory, where a ST fan argues why they disagree with some of the criticisms against Rey’s character, and thus concludes that since they see no merit in these arguments, there must be some sinister reason why others adopt this stance, and so they must be misogynist, racist, and what not. They simply cannot fathom the idea that a character they consider to be a good, can be considered bad by other reasonable people, and so they use the gender of the character to stifle what would otherwise have been considered reasonable criticism for breaking the pre-established rules, and lore of the Star Wars universe. So, while I condemn all people who reject Rey or any other characters based on gender, race, sexual orientation, I equally condemn those that weaponize gender, race, sexual orientation as a means to attack critical fans, the vast majority of which express their criticism out of love for the franchise, not because of some evil agenda.

Hear hear Dre!

I’d grab RO in UHD for sure, but that’d do me 😉

StarkillerAG said:

ChainsawAsh said:

StarkillerAG said:

It would please both OOT and SE fans

Would it though?

Well, maybe not you, but it would please almost everyone else.

I disagree and Hayden force ghost in ROTJ SE is one of the things that pissed me off the most.

Anchorhead said:

Valheru_84 said:

I think I actually prefer that method of release. It gives you something to look forward to each week instead of binge watching the whole season in one or two sittings and then be left waiting a whole year (or two for GoT) for the next one.

Same here. I just binged all of Stranger Things in three days and now I’ve got nothing until Mandalorian. I dont have the self control of waiting a week when all I have to do is hit “Next Episode > Skip Intro”. 😉

Exactly and because of that I watched all of Stranger Things season 3 in one go except the last 3/4 of the last episode, turning in at 4am to still get a few hours of sleep and not realising it was the last episode LOL!

I think I actually prefer that method of release. It gives you something to look forward to each week instead of binge watching the whole season in one or two sittings and then be left waiting a whole year (or two for GoT) for the next one.

In regards to budget, I heard each episode cost around $15M each which is about what each GoT episode cost for the final season.

^ If they find the Earth from a long time ago, then it’s no longer “a galaxy far far away” and is actually “A time long away in the future” LOL

Anyway, a new rumour has it that TROS just started a number of reshoots that could possibly run through till September. But with so many wild theories getting about currently (such as a few brought up by RLM) who knows what to believe at the moment.

ATMachine said:

OutboundFlight said:

What’s really interesting is with Gareth Edwards and Lord/Miller, Disney really went down their throats. They had numerous reshoots because they were disappointed with the director’s vision.

With J.J. it was less obvious, but they surrounded him with so much “protection”- teaming him up with Kasdan, and constantly mentioning how they were trying to return to the OT as a subtle jab at the PT’s wackiness.

But here comes Rian Johnson, and Disney absolutely loves him. All through the documentaries for TLJ Kennedy goes on and on about Rian is perfect for the job and his vision is perfect for Star Wars. It’s bittersweet knowing what’s going to happen. One thing we can all agree on is TLJ was the most divise of the Disney SW movies- so it is surprising for the one where they have Rian the most creative freedom to be the one it turns out was most deserving of reshoots (to play it safe).

I know we’ve heard they planned the trilogy out, but TFA and TLJ really don’t play well with each other. TLJ feels like it is making a statement, for better or worse, that the derivative elements of TFA need to go. Maybe on paper that sounded good but in practice it really feels like Rian is changing all of J.J.’s plan. Hence why 9 seems more like a one-off movie (bringing back Palpatine) rather than a conclusion to a trilogy.

So much this.

JJ had “a map to Skywalker” as if Luke Skywalker were some static feature of a planetary landscape, rather than somebody who travelled to a specific destination for reasons unknown. Because giving any further detail might prohibit the other films in the series from having a free hand. But this makes the writing of TFA annoyingly vague, and leads the film to focus on more derivative elements, like Starkiller Base.

Rian saw Snoke (rightly) as derivative, and so killed him off. But he did so via a sudden assassination that conveyed his dislike for the very idea of the character. This retroactively casts TFA in a bad light for focusing on Snoke as a big threat, and also leaves unanswered the question of how & why that guy came to upend the GFFA.

Now JJ is back, and is scrambling to do something with Palpatine because he can’t use Snoke anymore. This back-and-forth is leading to successive films where the narrative elements are working against each other, rather than helping each other tell a grander saga.

Great post and while I also agree you can’t be overly critical on an unreleased film, the two preceeding films and everything we know so far about IX does allow you to start to piecing together a rough picture of how events will play out and the way these films have been made are playing off / reacting to each other.

Regardless of how we think IX will play out, I think the line below is spot on in regards to TFA and TLJ.

…the narrative elements are working against each other, rather than helping each other tell a grander saga.

ChainsawAsh said:

If you were going to comment about it in this thread anyway, why did you make a new thread about the same thing?

My thread OP has been modified to just flag the news to people that dont read far enough into this thread to discover it and also redirect people to come here if wanting to discuss it and so in that sense I have shifted the portion of my original OP that asked questions about the matter here, to re-centralise the discussion here after so many complained about making a thread on a topic that’s really quite seperate to this one. I’d have to laugh if it spurned a multi page discussion and someone comes along to suggest it get it’s own thread…

Thanks Maul, glad I could help at least one person see this news instead of relying on stumbling upon the info buried in another thread. I only came across it myself through a youtube video.

Mods can you please re-title this thread to the below:

George Lucas signs off on public screening of unaltered Star Wars '77 print!

For everyone that posted on topic, please repost your replies in digitalfreaknyc’s thread and edit your reply here to say “Moved” once done so it can be included in a cleanup of this thread in a day or two.

The below is actually the type of discussion forks that I thought might occur here and deserved their own thread outside of a specific screening, but oh well…

Fang Zei said:

The bigger discussion that kinda does warrant its own thread is just how much control George does or doesn’t have over this sort of thing now. Isn’t it a little suspicious that for all those years when he still owned LFL he never allowed screenings of the OOT and now that he doesn’t anymore he “granted his permission?”

Like I said in the other thread, it was probably just a formality by the Academy considering their long history with George going all the way back to Graffiti. Notice how Disney hasn’t been mentioned at all in regards to this news?

All of this assumes, btw, that John Dykstra wasn’t just joking when he said they had to get George’s permission. I wonder if anyone managed to capture video/audio of him saying that.

So with the recent revelation of George Lucas himself having signed off on this public screening of a legit unaltered '77 Star Wars, I wonder what it could mean for the below matters:

• George’s changed stance/view on the original theatricals?
• Clauses within the contract sale to Disney that allow him to do this and I wonder what else?
• Some tangible proof of future 4K releases of the original theatricals?
• Possibly a new source for fan restorations in perfect condition (apart from possibly 2sec of damage as detailed below)?

Pretty interesting turn of events either way! 😄

Just found the post by DavidMDaut on page 3 and I think this is why a specific thread is still not a bad thing as I originaly read the OP of that thread and a few comments from page 1 and then thought awesome but I don’t need to read all 5 pages and subsequently missed the news about George until coming across that video. So I will edit my OP to be more of an headline with a quote and link to the discussion in that thread, just for anyone else that also decided not to dive right into that thread and missed that tidbit about some big news 😉

DavidMDaut said:

Just got out. Program began with Rogue One introduced by John Knoll. Super neat, but that’s not why you’re here.

John Dykstra introduced a 70mm print struck for the UK but never screened (I heard someone say it was ‘81, but the date was never formally stated). It was never screened because the first time it was projected, the print tore, and thus there was about two seconds of pretty major damage right as the Death Star blows up, but otherwise, the print was immaculate. Minimal damage and virtually no fading. “A New Hope” was on the crawl, but otherwise, it’s the original film.

Apparently, after some convincing, Lucas himself signed off on the Academy showing this version of the film. That’s huge, because he has firmly not allowed the original version to be publicly screened since before 1997. What does that mean for future releases? Who can say, but this screening is something that seemed impossible just one week ago.

I did have a very quick scan through but didnt notice anything obvious and felt it a different enough topic to deserve it’s own thread away from one specifically talking about the screening itself.

Looking at some of the other topics with their own thread, I didnt think for a second this one would be such an issue that the thread would instead be completely derailed to discuss it’s own validity as a separate topic.

I could understand the annoyance if there was already a specific thread on it. In this case it feels like Ive been rounded up by the thread police, a sister department to the grammar police…

crissrudd4554 said:

Valheru_84 said:

Mway1 said:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70mm-print-of-GOUT-on-Saturday-in-Academy-Theater-in-CA/id/68191

And? Note that I linked this thread myself in my OP…

Because the questions you are posting here you could have simply posted there. Starting a new thread in regards to an event that’s already being discussed in another thread really isnt necessary.

Except that this thread is not about the event, but GL signing off on the screening of a freaking theatrical print! Don’t know how this is being missed or why no one else finds this surprising or worth saying anything given like I said, what was the default understanding till now about his stance on the OUT.

Sorry, I thought the specific topic would be of some interest on here but it seems I have more to discuss about it with my casual Star Wars fan friends and family than on OT.com

Mway1 said:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70mm-print-of-GOUT-on-Saturday-in-Academy-Theater-in-CA/id/68191

And? Note that I linked this thread myself in my OP…

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Why is this a thread?

Why do any threads exist at all on a discussion forum? Is the news of George himself signing off on a public screening of SW77 after what we know of his thoughts on the theatricals and efforts to write them out of history over so many years not discussion worthy enough on OriginalTrilogy.com?

It seems quite the sudden 180 to me and something worth seeing what others thoughts about it are.

So it’s been confirmed - George Lucas himself has signed off on the public screening of an unaltered print version of 1977 Star Wars!

See the below post from DavidMDaut who’s Tweet is referenced in multiple news articles and videos online. The post comes from the below thread where the topic is being actively discussed:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70mm-print-of-GOUT-on-Saturday-in-Academy-Theater-in-CA/id/68191/page/1

DavidMDaut said:

Just got out. Program began with Rogue One introduced by John Knoll. Super neat, but that’s not why you’re here.

John Dykstra introduced a 70mm print struck for the UK but never screened (I heard someone say it was ‘81, but the date was never formally stated). It was never screened because the first time it was projected, the print tore, and thus there was about two seconds of pretty major damage right as the Death Star blows up, but otherwise, the print was immaculate. Minimal damage and virtually no fading. “A New Hope” was on the crawl, but otherwise, it’s the original film.

Apparently, after some convincing, Lucas himself signed off on the Academy showing this version of the film. That’s huge, because he has firmly not allowed the original version to be publicly screened since before 1997. What does that mean for future releases? Who can say, but this screening is something that seemed impossible just one week ago.

^ Very nice mykyta-R4!

pleasehello said:

Recognizable does not equal important. Admiral Ackbar is not important. He’s a gag character; a squid-man from a race called the Mon Calamari.

More rubbishing of the OT to defend the ST. Of all places I expect it to happen, OT.com is not one of them yet it’s where I’ve encountered it the most.

Ackbar like a number of other OT characters were brought back simply to appeal to nostalgia and get bums on cinema seats. Ackbar despite his short amount of screen time in the OT, became one of the iconic OT characters that are loved by fans and he deserved far better than his off screen death in TLJ.

I feel almost as sad for Ackbar’s actor feeling the way he does as I do for the obvious way Mark was affected by how they wrote Luke for TLJ.

zodkc said:
edit: I’m specifically asking for the 475MB or the 4GB links.

That’s a tad nonspecific 😛

Shoot the editor a PM when asking for links. I’m yet to watch the edit myself but like you, heard good things about it and am interested to see how they’ve tackled some specific scenes.

SilverWook said:

IIRC, the bombers were flying pretty low over the dreadnought, (which is why they were so vulnerable to enemy fire) so the gravity or magnetic field of the dreadnought could come into play keeping the bombs going to way they’re supposed to go. The bombs actually resemble magnetic sea mines.

That is an interesting and acceptable idea and would have worked in the movie if it had been communicated to the audience.

Hey, you’re the one that wanted to invent a plot hole in the OT to complain about TLJ/ST critics and then compared it to the bomb scene in TLJ.

Im not mad and you’re essentially calling me nitpicky and thick headed simply for taking issue with a scene that in its most basic sense doesnt stack up logically, just like the slug cave scene doesn’t. If people want to argue the point then a debate will ensue as it is right now.

Regardless of how either side might interpret the bomb scene after analysis, the basic portrayal just doesn’t work anyway because you instantly refer to your own understanding of gravity and go “how is that working?” and start searching for answers, at which point the movie doesnt offer up anything conclusively satisfying and so it becomes a plot hole for those of us that can’t accept on the movie’s own merits what it is showing us. If it’s enough for you, fine. But for us it’s not, there’s too much wrong with it to ignore through a usually pretty understanding suspension of disbelief.

Omni said:

This is kind of crazy to me. There are so many fair points to complain and discuss about on TLJ and people choose to stress over bombs? It’s not even a good nitpick. It’s so, for the lack of a better word, and apologies in advance if offending anyone, stupid. I don’t know what went through those people’s heads when watching the movie but I’m glad it didn’t happen in mine.

It is definitely a minor issue by itself but when combined with all the other issues, it becomes a bigger and recurring issue with the film (that the script isn’t really thought through all that well and is obviously the first draft of a single person, as Johnson himself stated…). That and it was brought up by Dom and other people trying to defend it, hence it being discussed.

Pigsinspace said:

Has anyone ever tried to edit out the annoying bouncy x-wing flights in the OT. It looks like they’re on one of those toddler rockets that used to be found in front of general merchandise stores??

If you mean the Xwing wings bouncing when they’re taxiing on the ground, that’s something I would expect Ady to fix if he could.

dgraham414 said:

The bombs fell because the girl fell. Artificial gravity is within the bomber. She fell from the top of the bomber shaft to the bottom of it just like the bombs did. And once the bombs hit the vacuum of space there’s nothing to stop them from continuing their trajectory.

Except that it’s not nearly enough space for the bombs to reach terminal velocity or even the speed we do seem them dropping at outside of the ship. The top bombs would also have a higher exit speed than the ones below them that stop accelerating the second they enter space, causing the top ones to hit the below ones and possibly triggering a chain reaction explosion (since they’re already armed before launching), destroying the bomber instead of the target…or they push the ones below them sideways in various directions, causing them to go off target and potentially into friendly craft.

So without an actual launch system it’s an incredibly bad and dangerous design to be literally “dropping” bombs in space.