Tyrphanax

Love these articles, Tobar!

Computers have come a loooooong way since then...

My mind is reeling, still.

*shakes his head sadly*

Alexrd said:

WhatsMyName said:

Alexrd said:

WhatsMyName said:

Trash? The republic Commando series was awsome! it gave a good background to the mandolorians and their culture. More over, the planet matched their unique culture!

Oh right. Making them a bunch of Boba Fett's is so unique... Boba is nobody now.

 but they weren't Bobba Fetts. They all have unique personalities. Besides, they acted like Mandolorians and not copy cats of their original host.

If you wanted to compare them to Bobba Fett from the movies, you'd fine there's a huge difference between the clones and him.

What? No. They all wear Boba Fett' armor, and they are a bunch of loners. If that's not what Boba Fett is, then I don't know what he is.

To put it simple, Boba Fett's uniqueness is gone.

I haven't read any of Traviss' later stuff for obvious reasons, though I'll be getting around to it in not too long here...  but from what I've read in my obsessive browsing of Wookieepedia, the characters all seem to be differentiated at least a little. I can't really make that call, though. I have a hard time believing she's capable of making a character as unique as Boba has been made over the years.

And of course they all wear the same style armour. What are they gonna wear stormtrooper armour?

Also: Boba Fett. B O (1)B A. I don't see how a person can like Mandalorians and Traviss' books and not like Boba Fett... He's the gateway to all of that.

As far as continuity goes, it's always been really fluid. In fact, I'm pretty shocked that it's been able to stay as solid as it has been over the years, considering all the hundreds of sources that have the possibility of conflicting. They've managed to keep those conflicts pretty few and far between.

Star Wars is also a risky place to play. Since George is still working with the universe, it has the potential to really turn on a dime, and we've seen that a couple times in the Clone Wars... for the authors and other folks of the lesser canons, it's like building sandcastles in someone else's sandbox. If the owner needs room to make his sandcastle, all you can really do is either inform him of its presence and hope he likes and incorporates it, but ultimately, you're going to have to stand aside and let him do his thing. A lot of the time, George seems willing to accept pre-established things and incorporate them (Asajj's backstory for one, though that was his daughter, not to mention Asajj herself, or Aayla Secura, or Quinlan Vos, or the Death Watch, The Clone Wars has really solidified a lot of lesser canon), but we're more likely to remember the times that he goes against established canon.

I have to give major credit to Dave Filoni who is an actual Star Wars nerd who has probably read, and obviously knows, a lot of the pre-established continuity, and works it into the show as much as he can, and also seems to remind George of pre-existing things that will conflict with what George wants. A lot of times, he wins those conflicts. But if George wants something a certain way, there's not much that can be done. It is his property, after all, and I hate to sound like the rape apologist in the rape support group, but as long as he holds the reins to the Star Wars IP and wants to keep expanding it himself, then we all are really subject to his whims. Doesn't mean we have to like it, or we have to stand for it, OT.com is a testament to that, for sure.

Lets have another metaphor: in 1977, we got Star Wars in a pre-release beta version. They released two major patches for it, and a huge modding community popped up. The mods were all sanctioned by George, but he was still in the process of creating his game, and so the modmakers have to accept the fact that, sure, maybe George will like their mod and add it as a feature in the final product, but other times, he'll want to take it in a different direction that conflicts with a mod and, unfortunately, that's tough luck for the modder. Most of the time it's not terrible, but sometimes he releases three crappy new patches and then goes back and "updates" the original game and breaks a bunch of features everyone loved (see, I'm still on your side). <_<

But, in the end, we just have to shrug it off and deal with it. Places like OT.com here are like the sites that popped up to emulate Star Wars: Galaxies pre-cu. Some fans want the old game back, but we also have to accept that it's changing. And it has changed in the past, and will continue to change, and we can accept what we like and denounce what we don't.

So... yeah. That's my big tangent. I don't know if it's actually directed towards anyone or if it's even on topic any more, but once I get going it's hard to stop.

I'm just in disbelief that someone who knows Star Wars could ever consciously choose something else over it.

I didn't really care that much for Citizen Kane, really... but it's a good metaphorical example to use since a lot of people believe it's the best movie of all time.

I have a really hard time believing that Serenity comes up to the level of brilliant, subtle storytelling that is Empire.

I have a feeling that Serenity is winning because it's newer and a bunch of kids who can't appreciate or understand Empire for the masterpiece it is are voting here. Either that, or Serenity is the unsung Citizen Kane of sci-fi. Which I doubt. I hear Browncoats are a pretty rabid bunch of nuts, though...

Damn show wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Star Wars... ~600 votes now...

Oh God. Serenity is up by ~200 votes.

Have these people never seen Empire? I do not understand.

Also: I reject all of your explanations. This is a travesty!

I'm not really certain you can be considered a fan of something if you can't spell the name of that something. =P

Anyway. Traviss can go parachute-less basejumping for all I care. She made Boba Fett cry, and Boba Fett does not cry. I'm all for the Mandalorians being a people with a culture and everything, the old comics with Fenn and Tobbi were sweet, and I'm fine with the whole Death Watch thing from Open Seasons, I loved KOTOR and the Mandalorian stuff from Tales of the Jedi, and I was even on board with Traviss for awhile, until she started with the inventing the language and writing all the fan-ficcy Mandalorian bullshit. I'll take a lot of abuse as a Star Wars fan, but you make the Fettman cry, and you've earned an enemy for life. One of the happiest days of my life was when she had her hissy fit and quit ruining my Mandalorians.

The Clone Wars depiction of the Mandalorians is fine by me, too, so far. I'm guessing that as far as the Hidalgo/Chee continuity goes, the wasteland is just a section of the jungle planet that is Mandalore. And it makes sense that after suffering so many losses that someone charismatic enough could come in and talk the people into giving peace a chance.

As long as Saltine (I can't not think that) dies a horrible and ignominious death at the hands of the Death Watch and Mandalore returns to its warrior ways (though I'd rather see a resurgence of Jaster's True Mandalorians than the Death Watch taking charge), I'll be pleased as punch.

I generally don't get all excited by these internet polls, but I don't understand how this is so close.

I, personally, have never seen Serenity, but I hear it's good, and I'm sure it is... but there's literally no way that it's better than Empire. No way. How can Serenity have almost half the vote in this?!

I love it immensely. I catch it every Friday it's on, and that's saying a lot because I don't watch any other TV series.

Sure, you get a crappy Jar-Jar episode or something now and then, but the good episodes outweigh the bad by far.

I don't believe you need any further testimony.

Why are tauntauns so obsessed with waffles?  Is that how the Rebels tamed them and now they're addicted?

Nice to see some things don't change.

Empire of Dreams and From Star Wars to Jedi are both great.

Yes. ET is canon. But not as ET, just as a senator from a planet within the Star Wars galaxy. We talked about that in some other thread.

I think Easter eggs are canon at the discretion of Lucasfilm. There's a lot of stuff that's a lot more stupid that isn't canon that the relatively minor things listed here. Like the Star Wars/Indiana Jones crossover comic.

The only real problem with The Clone Wars, to me, is that they try to do a lot of this fanservice. The problem with that being we are generally a group of fans that don't really want it.

They should really be trying out new and exciting and different things, rather than shoehorning a bunch of old characters and concepts in, whether it works or not, or whether it can be retconned to work or not.

Oh well. At least their Chewie looks right.

TV's Frink said:

Point taken....also this, so...I stand corrected.

Why did I watch the whole thing?

I might be angry at the 'Falcon in ROTS if it had rescued Obi-Wan and he hid in the smuggling bays from a patrol of clone troopers sweeping the ship and then the one says "There's no one here!" and they leave and Obi-Wan pops out of the hold and tells the Young Han Solo pilot "Boy, it's lucky you had these compartments!" and then patted the ship as he walked off and said "I foresee you will do great things."

But he didn't. And the fact is that it changes absolutely nothing in the movie's plot. The ship is on the screen for a half-second, and it's not a huge stretch to say that these two ships just happened to be in a very popular (especially at that moment) spot at the same time. So it's just a neat thing to pause the movie for that half second, say to your friends "That light blur right there? That's the Millennium Falcon." and have them be in awe of your nerdiness and then go on about your life. It has no bearing on anything at all.

twooffour said:

Tyrphanax said:

Yeah, the Clone Wars sure ruined a bounty hunter who got smoked like a joke in his one minute of screentime in Star Wars.

 

The Clone Wars is a pretty great show, really. Sure there's some lame stuff, but the good really does outweigh the bad so far. I'd consider myself a OOT purist as far as Star Wars goes and I still really enjoy TCW. There have only been a few instances where something that's happened in them has made me angry.

ROTJ ruined Boba. I wonder if anyone noticed that the ROTJ Boba is basically a completely different... "character" from the ESB Boba. NOTHING in common WHATSOEVER.

I meant Greedo.

I wasn't aware Greedo had anyone who actually cared about him or had put enough of his character's personality from his minute of screentime in ANH together to warrant calling the portrayal of him in The Clone Wars as one that ruined him.

Though Boba certainly didn't make the smartest of moves by jetpacking over to get into melee range of a guy with a melee weapon on a skiff of otherwise unarmed and bound prisoners when, the way I've always thought of him from ESB, he'd be smart enough to hang back and put Luke down and then move in to capture the rest. But then, ROTJ is easily the worst of the original trilogy in some ways.

Yeah, this forum where we discuss three movies and their differences from version-to-version in minute detail is almost like being a jock.

Jurassic Park, anyone? Really? C'mon!

The only "officially-created" Star Wars language so far is Karen Traviss' Mando'a, but since I hate her and everything she's done to my beloved Mandalorians, we'll not talk about it anymore.

Other than that, I know there are phrases and words for languages like Bocce, Huttese, Ewokese, and probably a few others up on Wookieepedia.

I hope my kids turn out like this.

I just stand around quietly and look intimidating, but nobody ever says "Hey, man, nice Boba Fett impression!"

=(

But no, I quote Star Wars so often that I can't even begin to think of all the times I say something in the right situation. I'll keep better track from now on and keep you posted, though.

Yeah, the Clone Wars sure ruined a bounty hunter who got smoked like a joke in his one minute of screentime in Star Wars.

The Clone Wars is a pretty great show, really. Sure there's some lame stuff, but the good really does outweigh the bad so far. I'd consider myself a OOT purist as far as Star Wars goes and I still really enjoy TCW. There have only been a few instances where something that's happened in them has made me angry.

OzoneSherrif said:

Why are there runways?!

Perhaps they're just pads for larger ships?

Alexrd said:

Aside from those episode where Jar Jar wasn't voiced by Best, they were actually not bad at all.

In fact, Supply Lines is one of my favourite episodes this season, and Jar Jar was in it.

I happen to agree. The episode actually made Jar Jar seem... well... like an okay character.

There. I've said it.

If that's not reason to watch this show, then I dunno what is.